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Hi Jayen, you moved the information about Destination Mecca off of Shah's page. The book contains information about Shah's life which is relevant to his biography. So why is it not appropriate to include it on Shah's page?-- Jlburton ( talk) 03:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
And why did you delete the information about Gardner? All that stuff has documentation and sources. -- Jlburton ( talk) 03:23, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
If that's the case, all you had to do was cut out a few words from what i wrote, not all of it. Should i even bother to rewrite it or are you just going to remove it again? Do i need to use exact quotes or can i summarize the material? It does take time to make these contributions. If they are just going to be dumped by you based on technicalities, then i'm wondering if it's worth it to continue.-- Jlburton ( talk) 03:34, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Tell you what: here is the page i'm using as source material: why don't you look at what i wrote and see what can and cannot be used based on your view. p. 19 here http://books.google.com/books?id=dqd8NptJIIAC&q=idries+shah#v=snippet&q=idries%20shah&f=false -- Jlburton ( talk) 03:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
And the statement about the Afghan minister belongs where i put it. Why are Elwell Sutton's opinions about Shah's lineaged placed in that section about Shah's life, but not the Afghan minister's? Also, who made you judge, jury and executioner on this article?-- Jlburton ( talk) 03:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
For Lamond, see [1]. Thanks for the more precise witches/mushrooms reference in RP Graves, by the way. I had missed that, and it's improved that passage. -- J N 466 04:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Greetings Jayen, I thought my Wiki troubles were over will WillBeback finally being found out but not so. I have been tidying up the Lead and being alternately ignored or abused. I discovered that "the Divine Light Mission (DLM) became the fastest growing new religious movement in the West" did not appear in the article and so removed it and replaced it with "by the end of 1973 the DLM was active in 55 countries". Which left me with "though it was sometimes described as a cult" which was too much without new religious movement. So I removed that and suggested in talk that we insert "new religious movement in the article so that we could reinsert it and "cult" in the lead. Now PatW has claimed on Jimbo's talk that I removed Jimbo's Feb 2011 "cult leader" edit which was removed by consensus amongst you and others without my involvement. Now PatW and Blade of the North are building up a head of steam to have me banned. Could you have a look. Momento ( talk) 22:35, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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In this issue:
--The Olive Branch 19:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
SarahStierch ( talk) 02:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Does this interest you at all? If it does, I'd value any input you may offer? -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 18:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
You commented in the RfD discussion about Criticism of Wikipedia at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 August 5#Criticism of Wikipedia. That discussion was closed as "moot" due it having been unilaterally converted to an article during the discussion. I chose to boldly implement the apparent consensus of that discussion and the previous discussions linked from it, and reverted it to a disambiguation page. That action has been reverted due to a perceived lack of discussion. I would welcome your comments at Talk:Criticism of Wikipedia to see if consensus can be reached again for an dab page, article or redirect. Thryduulf ( talk) 00:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi J, hope all's well with you.
Sorry to bother you, but if you have a free moment, do you think you could have a quick look at an issue with a new user Kristine-daggett about possible linkspam? She's a self-confessed intern with the best of intentions, and had been tasked with adding links about informative interviews with authors to relevant Wikipedia articles. Her supervisor and founder of the New Books Network Marshall Poe asked my advice, and of course I have little to offer. Regards, Esowteric+ Talk 18:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Marshall left a message on my talk page. Esowteric+ Talk 18:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi again J, I just forewarned Jimbo on his talk page and saw that you have an interest in the affair: There may be another in-depth article coming up about Roth and Wikipedia (including the talk page) in the Washington Post. See Talk:Philip Roth#Google search result. In related news, R. J. Ellory is perhaps worth a forensic dig? Perhaps the flipside of the Roth coin? Regards, Esowteric+ Talk 09:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
SarahStierch ( talk) 17:15, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | ||
I've never given anyone a barnstar before. Thanks for doing what you do. -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 18:00, 17 September 2012 (UTC) |
Thanks, Anthony. J N 466 18:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks J: that was quick work. Have explained why I put the message at the page top: The user and two IPs were making individual edits to the article, not reverting others, and I'm not convinced that they were looking at the article talk page, the article edit history or even their own talk pages; but I did know that they were regularly checking the article. Thanks again. Regards, Esowteric+ Talk 09:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Very sorry to bother you again, J. Have you a moment to check out the New Books Network issue (see further up your talk page)? Sorry and thanks again, Eric: Esowteric+ Talk 14:03, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Jayen. I am just now reading about the situation with UntrikiWiki. I have a question, because you mentioned (critically I think) that they advertise leveraging relationships with the community. Is this a bad thing?
When I changed my username to protect my identity, DGG made the comment:
but in this case you have acquired a positive and important reputation from your work under the earlier name, not just article work but your many comments, and it is not unfair for you to use it.
Jimmy Wales has also previously mentioned at some point that a paid advocate should establish a "reputation" within the community. DGG seems to be suggesting that I should leverage relationships openly. Is the critical tone towards their use of relationships only because of their role with the WMF?
Just an honest question. I am not arguing for one way or another. This is King4057... Corporate Minion 02:40, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
BTW - I'm pinging a few people for thoughts/opinions on these [4] [5] (see context here Would be interested in your thoughts. Corporate Minion 14:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi J, here's another author like Philip Roth, R. J. Ellory who is trying to get what he sees as libellous and harmful material removed from his BLP. See biography of living persons noticeboard. Regards, Esowteric+ Talk 09:07, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Jimbo Wales and others reported by User:Müdigkeit (Result: Protected 3 days) - Floquenbeam ( talk) 14:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I'm pretty much just repeating what I said on AN, but I honestly see a big difference between WMUK promoting editing about culturally significant works which would be so even if they were separated from the institutions who hold them and things centering on one place. I really believe that offering a free lunch to Wikipedians and the public on this issue is promoting the public good and supplying unique information to the public at large. I think both of those things are commendable and very different from this whole affair.
Would love to hear your opinion if you're of a different mind regarding the issue, but I think WMUK as a whole are doing some pretty good stuff. Course, I have a COI, but hey, who doesn't?
P.s. My new medication is making it almost impossible to write sentences correctly. I've checked this one over but if I'm jumbling my words please try and translate. Panyd The muffin is not subtle 12:59, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
@Johnbod , who says "You are not on Wikipediocracy here, please try to keep some semblance of logic to your edits. " Could you explain the faulty logic? This is a perfect example of the kind of bullying I complained about on Jimbo's page. I see no fault in the logic. JN makes the perfectly sound point that there is a spectrum from large museums and educational institutions like the BL at one end, to much much smaller institutions who may be looking for promotion only. And JN says "We should never, ever go to a potential partner with a pitch that says, hey, we can raise your SEO profile. " What is wrong with what he is saying here? Is someone here claiming that we should be going to potential partners with this pitch? Hestiaea ( talk) 18:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Just wanted to thank you for your response at Talk:Will.i.am. Too often people are too entrenched in their positions to recognise a valid point the other side makes. I'm just as guilty of this (or more) as everybody else, so it is not meant as some attack-disguised-as-a-compliment; but there are so many discussions where people try to support their positions with what they believe to be good sources, only to be totally ignored, that it comes as a welcome surprise when that doesn't happen. Fram ( talk) 14:23, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Hi Jayen, you moved the information about Destination Mecca off of Shah's page. The book contains information about Shah's life which is relevant to his biography. So why is it not appropriate to include it on Shah's page?-- Jlburton ( talk) 03:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
And why did you delete the information about Gardner? All that stuff has documentation and sources. -- Jlburton ( talk) 03:23, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
If that's the case, all you had to do was cut out a few words from what i wrote, not all of it. Should i even bother to rewrite it or are you just going to remove it again? Do i need to use exact quotes or can i summarize the material? It does take time to make these contributions. If they are just going to be dumped by you based on technicalities, then i'm wondering if it's worth it to continue.-- Jlburton ( talk) 03:34, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Tell you what: here is the page i'm using as source material: why don't you look at what i wrote and see what can and cannot be used based on your view. p. 19 here http://books.google.com/books?id=dqd8NptJIIAC&q=idries+shah#v=snippet&q=idries%20shah&f=false -- Jlburton ( talk) 03:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
And the statement about the Afghan minister belongs where i put it. Why are Elwell Sutton's opinions about Shah's lineaged placed in that section about Shah's life, but not the Afghan minister's? Also, who made you judge, jury and executioner on this article?-- Jlburton ( talk) 03:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
For Lamond, see [1]. Thanks for the more precise witches/mushrooms reference in RP Graves, by the way. I had missed that, and it's improved that passage. -- J N 466 04:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Greetings Jayen, I thought my Wiki troubles were over will WillBeback finally being found out but not so. I have been tidying up the Lead and being alternately ignored or abused. I discovered that "the Divine Light Mission (DLM) became the fastest growing new religious movement in the West" did not appear in the article and so removed it and replaced it with "by the end of 1973 the DLM was active in 55 countries". Which left me with "though it was sometimes described as a cult" which was too much without new religious movement. So I removed that and suggested in talk that we insert "new religious movement in the article so that we could reinsert it and "cult" in the lead. Now PatW has claimed on Jimbo's talk that I removed Jimbo's Feb 2011 "cult leader" edit which was removed by consensus amongst you and others without my involvement. Now PatW and Blade of the North are building up a head of steam to have me banned. Could you have a look. Momento ( talk) 22:35, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.
In this issue:
--The Olive Branch 19:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
SarahStierch ( talk) 02:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Does this interest you at all? If it does, I'd value any input you may offer? -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 18:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
You commented in the RfD discussion about Criticism of Wikipedia at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 August 5#Criticism of Wikipedia. That discussion was closed as "moot" due it having been unilaterally converted to an article during the discussion. I chose to boldly implement the apparent consensus of that discussion and the previous discussions linked from it, and reverted it to a disambiguation page. That action has been reverted due to a perceived lack of discussion. I would welcome your comments at Talk:Criticism of Wikipedia to see if consensus can be reached again for an dab page, article or redirect. Thryduulf ( talk) 00:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi J, hope all's well with you.
Sorry to bother you, but if you have a free moment, do you think you could have a quick look at an issue with a new user Kristine-daggett about possible linkspam? She's a self-confessed intern with the best of intentions, and had been tasked with adding links about informative interviews with authors to relevant Wikipedia articles. Her supervisor and founder of the New Books Network Marshall Poe asked my advice, and of course I have little to offer. Regards, Esowteric+ Talk 18:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Marshall left a message on my talk page. Esowteric+ Talk 18:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi again J, I just forewarned Jimbo on his talk page and saw that you have an interest in the affair: There may be another in-depth article coming up about Roth and Wikipedia (including the talk page) in the Washington Post. See Talk:Philip Roth#Google search result. In related news, R. J. Ellory is perhaps worth a forensic dig? Perhaps the flipside of the Roth coin? Regards, Esowteric+ Talk 09:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
SarahStierch ( talk) 17:15, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | ||
I've never given anyone a barnstar before. Thanks for doing what you do. -- Anthonyhcole ( talk) 18:00, 17 September 2012 (UTC) |
Thanks, Anthony. J N 466 18:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks J: that was quick work. Have explained why I put the message at the page top: The user and two IPs were making individual edits to the article, not reverting others, and I'm not convinced that they were looking at the article talk page, the article edit history or even their own talk pages; but I did know that they were regularly checking the article. Thanks again. Regards, Esowteric+ Talk 09:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Very sorry to bother you again, J. Have you a moment to check out the New Books Network issue (see further up your talk page)? Sorry and thanks again, Eric: Esowteric+ Talk 14:03, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Jayen. I am just now reading about the situation with UntrikiWiki. I have a question, because you mentioned (critically I think) that they advertise leveraging relationships with the community. Is this a bad thing?
When I changed my username to protect my identity, DGG made the comment:
but in this case you have acquired a positive and important reputation from your work under the earlier name, not just article work but your many comments, and it is not unfair for you to use it.
Jimmy Wales has also previously mentioned at some point that a paid advocate should establish a "reputation" within the community. DGG seems to be suggesting that I should leverage relationships openly. Is the critical tone towards their use of relationships only because of their role with the WMF?
Just an honest question. I am not arguing for one way or another. This is King4057... Corporate Minion 02:40, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
BTW - I'm pinging a few people for thoughts/opinions on these [4] [5] (see context here Would be interested in your thoughts. Corporate Minion 14:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi J, here's another author like Philip Roth, R. J. Ellory who is trying to get what he sees as libellous and harmful material removed from his BLP. See biography of living persons noticeboard. Regards, Esowteric+ Talk 09:07, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Jimbo Wales and others reported by User:Müdigkeit (Result: Protected 3 days) - Floquenbeam ( talk) 14:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I'm pretty much just repeating what I said on AN, but I honestly see a big difference between WMUK promoting editing about culturally significant works which would be so even if they were separated from the institutions who hold them and things centering on one place. I really believe that offering a free lunch to Wikipedians and the public on this issue is promoting the public good and supplying unique information to the public at large. I think both of those things are commendable and very different from this whole affair.
Would love to hear your opinion if you're of a different mind regarding the issue, but I think WMUK as a whole are doing some pretty good stuff. Course, I have a COI, but hey, who doesn't?
P.s. My new medication is making it almost impossible to write sentences correctly. I've checked this one over but if I'm jumbling my words please try and translate. Panyd The muffin is not subtle 12:59, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
@Johnbod , who says "You are not on Wikipediocracy here, please try to keep some semblance of logic to your edits. " Could you explain the faulty logic? This is a perfect example of the kind of bullying I complained about on Jimbo's page. I see no fault in the logic. JN makes the perfectly sound point that there is a spectrum from large museums and educational institutions like the BL at one end, to much much smaller institutions who may be looking for promotion only. And JN says "We should never, ever go to a potential partner with a pitch that says, hey, we can raise your SEO profile. " What is wrong with what he is saying here? Is someone here claiming that we should be going to potential partners with this pitch? Hestiaea ( talk) 18:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Just wanted to thank you for your response at Talk:Will.i.am. Too often people are too entrenched in their positions to recognise a valid point the other side makes. I'm just as guilty of this (or more) as everybody else, so it is not meant as some attack-disguised-as-a-compliment; but there are so many discussions where people try to support their positions with what they believe to be good sources, only to be totally ignored, that it comes as a welcome surprise when that doesn't happen. Fram ( talk) 14:23, 26 September 2012 (UTC)