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I wanted to compliment you on a fine article. It is a pleasure to read and I hope you decide to bring it to FA class status soon. Thank you for your hard work. Viriditas ( talk) 10:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, you write on my talk page 'Could you keep an eye on the FAC page and help with any permissions-related queries that might come up?'
Will do: I'm almost certain the portrait of Shah will have been uploaded by his son Tahir, or at least he is the one in the position to provide details and okay its use. He represents 'The Estate of Idries Shah'. When you find out what is required, let me know what you want -- such as a specifically worded response from him -- and where that response needs to be sent, and I'll see what I can do.
Cheers, EricT ( talk) 19:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Curious as to how you found this source Indian Express [1] [2] ? It did not turn up in my searches of various news databases but I'd like to use it / search for it in the future. Cirt ( talk) 18:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hello,
I've been working on the page for P. utilis and would like to keep the section labeled as "References". My article includes direct citations as well as paraphrases that are linked to their source. Thanks for understanding. -Andrew —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrgreenthumb ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen. I replied to your thread at the Village pump. Just FYI. Steve Crossin Talk/ Help us mediate! 23:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Jayen, have forward an email from Tahir who asks if 'Idries Abutahir Shah' could be changed to plain 'Idries Shah', as this is causing confusion and wasn't a name used by his father. Cheers, EricT ( talk) 19:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I've moved my response and your comments to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Military career of L. Ron Hubbard to keep them centralised. Hope that's OK with you? -- ChrisO ( talk) 12:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 13:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Jayen -- my apologies for the stupid question, but I don't see the link to send you email. Can you tell me where to look? Thanks, Ricardiana ( talk) 20:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, I'm sorry that the Idries Shah FAC ended so abruptly with a "not promoted" assessment. I was hoping to at least see some explanation or pointers to improving the article. Thanks for your efforts. Esowteric ( talk) 13:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Who's going around changing "passed away" to "died", for example in The Sufis? Though encyclopedically correct, I actually think the former is more fitting for an article on Sufism :) Esowteric ( talk) 20:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently we still don't understand each other. Can you take a look at what Collect is doing now that he's back at William Timmons, and let me know what you think? The only POV I've been pushing there is that we should report what's said about the guy in reliable sources. Collect obviously has a very different agenda. Dicklyon ( talk) 03:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen,
Someone's just created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Wisdom_of_the_Idiots%22 and now has a red link in the Idries Shah article because of the quotes. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 21:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Hope you don't mind, but I merged your comments about the Katrina thread into the ongoing discussion to consolidate the topic. Several editors continue to "reboot" the discussion making the same points over and over again while ignoring my replies, so I keep pointing them to that thread. I'm sorry if this is inconvenient, but it frees up the talk page for other threads needing attention and newer topics. If you see duplication on the talk page, feel free to merge other threads so we can keep everything together. Thanks. Viriditas ( talk) 16:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
There are several problems with the current RfC. First of all, we need to have a simple statement that reflects the issue in a neutral manner. Second, we do not need comments by involved editors following the RFC as this attempts to persuade uninvolved editors to think about the problem in a certain way, when the very purpose of the RFC is to provide a neutral presentation of the topic and allow uninvolved editors to come to their own conclusion. The fact that the two editors who are causing many of the problems in the article are attempting to sway the RFC before a single uninvolved editor has been allowed to comment, shows that this isn't working. By sticking to the RFC structure we can eliminate this problem. We don't need to hear the opinions of involved editors again. Those are supposed to be condensed in the RFC itself. Viriditas ( talk) 20:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 03:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, if you have a spare moment can you maybe have a look over Octagon Press Ltd which I created and which has been flagged for notability. Have added something on reception of Shah's works, as he forms a large part of their output. Many thanks, Esowteric ( talk) 13:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
FYI: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: Prem Rawat 2. Will Beback talk 20:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
FYI, I found I'd made a mistake in sourcing that Hubbard quote about the I-76 submarine on Military career of L. Ron Hubbard - I've corrected it now. For the record, this is the set of tapes and transcripts in question. The specific lecture is #7, "CRA Triangle". Thanks for prompting me to take another look at this. -- ChrisO ( talk) 22:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey there. I have left a comment at Talk:Scientology#Membership edit reverted about your edit. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 19:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
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(undent) Are you married? Don't answer that; it's a rhetorical question. I ask because your reply re SYN attempts to address the issue logically. However, personal issues have been raised: Awadewit seems to have been offended by your assertion of SYN. You have done nothing to address that issue. Married folks know better than to address one aspect without addressing the other. ;-) I think if you cannot establish SYN, then it is pretty reasonable for her to ask you to strikethrough your comments. Moreover, an apology would not be completely unacceptable, either. ;-) Ling.Nut ( talk) 02:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, hope things have calmed down for you on the CoS front. I've created a category 'Sufi psychology' and added a few entries, eg Sufi psychology article itself; Robert Frager; Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee; Lataif-e-sitta, and a small selection of appropriate Idries Shah books. Haven't linked Shah himself as that's your baby. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 21:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, another IP is adding to the template. Esowteric ( talk) 11:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Did you want to add Shah family to Naseeruddin Shah, J? I had a look, but not sure where to put the tag at the end of the page. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 15:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that cleanup (I hang my head in shame at getting the date wrong in that ref). The trouble with articles about objects depicted in painting is that formulations like "a picture of X was painted by Y" are necessary to avoid the impression that X was clambering up B with a tub of gloss emulsion given by "Y painted X"; well done on finding so many synonyms for "painted"! – iride scent 19:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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I wanted to compliment you on a fine article. It is a pleasure to read and I hope you decide to bring it to FA class status soon. Thank you for your hard work. Viriditas ( talk) 10:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, you write on my talk page 'Could you keep an eye on the FAC page and help with any permissions-related queries that might come up?'
Will do: I'm almost certain the portrait of Shah will have been uploaded by his son Tahir, or at least he is the one in the position to provide details and okay its use. He represents 'The Estate of Idries Shah'. When you find out what is required, let me know what you want -- such as a specifically worded response from him -- and where that response needs to be sent, and I'll see what I can do.
Cheers, EricT ( talk) 19:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Curious as to how you found this source Indian Express [1] [2] ? It did not turn up in my searches of various news databases but I'd like to use it / search for it in the future. Cirt ( talk) 18:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot II ( talk) at 04:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I've been working on the page for P. utilis and would like to keep the section labeled as "References". My article includes direct citations as well as paraphrases that are linked to their source. Thanks for understanding. -Andrew —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrgreenthumb ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen. I replied to your thread at the Village pump. Just FYI. Steve Crossin Talk/ Help us mediate! 23:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mattisse/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mattisse/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, [[Sam Korn]] (smoddy) 08:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 21:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, have forward an email from Tahir who asks if 'Idries Abutahir Shah' could be changed to plain 'Idries Shah', as this is causing confusion and wasn't a name used by his father. Cheers, EricT ( talk) 19:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I've moved my response and your comments to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Military career of L. Ron Hubbard to keep them centralised. Hope that's OK with you? -- ChrisO ( talk) 12:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 13:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Jayen -- my apologies for the stupid question, but I don't see the link to send you email. Can you tell me where to look? Thanks, Ricardiana ( talk) 20:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, I'm sorry that the Idries Shah FAC ended so abruptly with a "not promoted" assessment. I was hoping to at least see some explanation or pointers to improving the article. Thanks for your efforts. Esowteric ( talk) 13:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Who's going around changing "passed away" to "died", for example in The Sufis? Though encyclopedically correct, I actually think the former is more fitting for an article on Sufism :) Esowteric ( talk) 20:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently we still don't understand each other. Can you take a look at what Collect is doing now that he's back at William Timmons, and let me know what you think? The only POV I've been pushing there is that we should report what's said about the guy in reliable sources. Collect obviously has a very different agenda. Dicklyon ( talk) 03:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen,
Someone's just created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Wisdom_of_the_Idiots%22 and now has a red link in the Idries Shah article because of the quotes. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 21:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Hope you don't mind, but I merged your comments about the Katrina thread into the ongoing discussion to consolidate the topic. Several editors continue to "reboot" the discussion making the same points over and over again while ignoring my replies, so I keep pointing them to that thread. I'm sorry if this is inconvenient, but it frees up the talk page for other threads needing attention and newer topics. If you see duplication on the talk page, feel free to merge other threads so we can keep everything together. Thanks. Viriditas ( talk) 16:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
There are several problems with the current RfC. First of all, we need to have a simple statement that reflects the issue in a neutral manner. Second, we do not need comments by involved editors following the RFC as this attempts to persuade uninvolved editors to think about the problem in a certain way, when the very purpose of the RFC is to provide a neutral presentation of the topic and allow uninvolved editors to come to their own conclusion. The fact that the two editors who are causing many of the problems in the article are attempting to sway the RFC before a single uninvolved editor has been allowed to comment, shows that this isn't working. By sticking to the RFC structure we can eliminate this problem. We don't need to hear the opinions of involved editors again. Those are supposed to be condensed in the RFC itself. Viriditas ( talk) 20:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 03:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, if you have a spare moment can you maybe have a look over Octagon Press Ltd which I created and which has been flagged for notability. Have added something on reception of Shah's works, as he forms a large part of their output. Many thanks, Esowteric ( talk) 13:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
FYI: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification: Prem Rawat 2. Will Beback talk 20:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
FYI, I found I'd made a mistake in sourcing that Hubbard quote about the I-76 submarine on Military career of L. Ron Hubbard - I've corrected it now. For the record, this is the set of tapes and transcripts in question. The specific lecture is #7, "CRA Triangle". Thanks for prompting me to take another look at this. -- ChrisO ( talk) 22:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey there. I have left a comment at Talk:Scientology#Membership edit reverted about your edit. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 19:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
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(undent) Are you married? Don't answer that; it's a rhetorical question. I ask because your reply re SYN attempts to address the issue logically. However, personal issues have been raised: Awadewit seems to have been offended by your assertion of SYN. You have done nothing to address that issue. Married folks know better than to address one aspect without addressing the other. ;-) I think if you cannot establish SYN, then it is pretty reasonable for her to ask you to strikethrough your comments. Moreover, an apology would not be completely unacceptable, either. ;-) Ling.Nut ( talk) 02:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, hope things have calmed down for you on the CoS front. I've created a category 'Sufi psychology' and added a few entries, eg Sufi psychology article itself; Robert Frager; Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee; Lataif-e-sitta, and a small selection of appropriate Idries Shah books. Haven't linked Shah himself as that's your baby. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 21:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, another IP is adding to the template. Esowteric ( talk) 11:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Did you want to add Shah family to Naseeruddin Shah, J? I had a look, but not sure where to put the tag at the end of the page. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 15:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that cleanup (I hang my head in shame at getting the date wrong in that ref). The trouble with articles about objects depicted in painting is that formulations like "a picture of X was painted by Y" are necessary to avoid the impression that X was clambering up B with a tub of gloss emulsion given by "Y painted X"; well done on finding so many synonyms for "painted"! – iride scent 19:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)