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Hi J, if you're ever at a loose end ("I wish! :)"), I came across Javad Nurbakhsh yesterday and added it to category:Sufi psychology. It was in need of citations and reorganization and is now in need of extensive copy editing. Have given it a quick dusting, but maybe you might have a quick look-see sometime, to see if I've been working in the right direction? One problem is getting rid of the intermingling of his two fields: sufism and psychiatry. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 10:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, sorry to hassle you. I've just found that the original prior to my cleanup attempts is reproduced on the Order's site (not sure which came first). So maybe I need to flag a copyright issue? Advice, please. Have added a comment on the discussion page which gives the URL of the web page. Yaaaaaah! Esowteric ( talk) 16:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
My add cites other perfectly acceptable and standardized, community-approved Wikipedia articles. This is the source. I suppose I could stop at a library and find a book that references Galvanic Skin Response and how an ohmmeter works but I probably won't be doing that... -- Ayeroxor ( talk) 17:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 22:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
All the ANIs, WQA, CUs, RFC/Us and RFARs are over, I trust. I sincerely thank you for voicing your position on the RFC/U on me. I did not canvass anyone, and in order to avoid any claims that I canvassd, I waited until now (the request to reopen the RFC/U seems dead). Again, many thanks! Collect ( talk) 12:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jay, regarding Human rights in the United States, I copy edited the RfC statement to read: "Should Human rights in the United States include issues such as Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay?" (perhaps a separate RfC can later ask about Katrina etc, after the internal/external issue is agreed). I removed the involved/uninvolved distinction between editors, as people disagreed on the definition of that; and I also removed all threaded comments, and posts about the RfC not being clear. At the time of writing, the section looks like this. I hope those changes are okay with you. SlimVirgin talk| contribs 01:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, more additions have been made to the Shah family template by an IP. Have left a message on their talk page, though maybe unlikely they'll see it, and have added a line of noinclude text on the template page pointing to the discussion page. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 12:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, have created: Works by Idries Shah and Books by Idries Shah and linked the book articles to 'Books by ...' Chuß, Esowteric ( talk) 12:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Oriental Magic has just been created. If it's sent for speedy, it looks like James Moore may have to be drafted into the reception section to save the day, unless details can be found for the current sources 8-O Esowteric ( talk) 18:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I've left a comment regarding the above article with User:Cirt, probably one of the best informed people on the subject of Scientology we have. I'm fairly sure that if he joins the discussion of the above article, we should probably likely have some reasonable discussion regarding the subject. John Carter ( talk) 14:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I certainly understand issues with the media. I know of other articles where the facts reported aren't 100% true, but what's in the article stays there because the true story has never been printed in a WP:RS. I'm sure if I know of a couple, there's hundreds or thousands just like it. At the end of the day though I guess I feel if we're going to treat Jay Severin one way, how much more so should we treat someone hip deep in the Wikipedia system the same way. Once we start bending, where do we stop.-- Cube lurker ( talk) 17:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Jayen, I noticed that you mentioned at the AfD, perhaps half-jokingly, that you should write a WikiNews article on Blacketer. Actually, I think that would be a great idea. The errors in the media's reporting of this "controversy" are probably the most shameful thing I've seen in the popular media since the Twitter makes you immoral ho-hum, and anything that can be done to offer an accurate account of what happened would be awesome. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 23:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
[1] I removed all the Wikipedia cited text from the article, and I have provided a longer reason than I did on the edit summary for why I did so. OpenSeven ( talk) 18:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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Awarded to Jayen466 by Esowteric for the wonderful and inspired work put into the Sam Blacketer controversy. Esowteric ( talk) 16:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC) |
Why, thanks Eric! :) JN 466 16:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Jimbo Wales: No one can make money from Wikipedia... except me ... Esowteric ( talk) 15:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Jayen466. A recent request for clarification which you were a part of, "Prem Rawat 2", has been archived and can be found at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat 2. If you still have questions about this case, please feel free to post another clarification request, contact a Clerk, or the Committee. For the Arbitration Committee, Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 01:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, I think the nomination for deletion is fundamentally flawed and may even set an unwelcome precedent for some sort of quango manning the doors, who can refuse an article entry simply because "I don't like it", backed up by mates echoing "I don't like it, either." Esowteric | Talk 10:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate your tidying my missies. I usually get back around after a bit.....and correct what I see, as you can imagine, I have two or three copy editors following me round keeping it clean. Thank you. Best regards. ( Off2riorob ( talk) 22:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC))
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 11:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit troubled by what you wrote here at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Plagiarism, where you say that
While you (quite aptly) note that WP:NOR means that Wikipedia is not and should not be a publisher of original thought, that does not doom us to an eternity of compulsory plagiarism. Plagiarism has two essential elements. The first is that a writer must reproduce the words and/or ideas of someone else; this is indeed something we are bound to do. The second essential element is that a writer must use those words and ideas without giving credit to the original author.
Where appropriate credit is given (citing appropriate sources for ideas, setting off direct quotations with block indents or quotation marks, etc.) no plagiarism has taken place. Wikipedia can be utterly devoid of original ideas and novel synthesis but still be completely clean of plagiarism. This sort of confusion about terminology and definitions is one of the (many) reasons why we absolutely need the plagiarism guideline. Cheers! TenOfAllTrades( talk) 16:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe worth a look, I'm not quite sure how to respond, if at all, J: Idries Shah talk page. Chow for now, Esowteric | Talk 15:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 02:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 02:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Hi J, if you're ever at a loose end ("I wish! :)"), I came across Javad Nurbakhsh yesterday and added it to category:Sufi psychology. It was in need of citations and reorganization and is now in need of extensive copy editing. Have given it a quick dusting, but maybe you might have a quick look-see sometime, to see if I've been working in the right direction? One problem is getting rid of the intermingling of his two fields: sufism and psychiatry. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 10:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, sorry to hassle you. I've just found that the original prior to my cleanup attempts is reproduced on the Order's site (not sure which came first). So maybe I need to flag a copyright issue? Advice, please. Have added a comment on the discussion page which gives the URL of the web page. Yaaaaaah! Esowteric ( talk) 16:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
My add cites other perfectly acceptable and standardized, community-approved Wikipedia articles. This is the source. I suppose I could stop at a library and find a book that references Galvanic Skin Response and how an ohmmeter works but I probably won't be doing that... -- Ayeroxor ( talk) 17:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 22:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
All the ANIs, WQA, CUs, RFC/Us and RFARs are over, I trust. I sincerely thank you for voicing your position on the RFC/U on me. I did not canvass anyone, and in order to avoid any claims that I canvassd, I waited until now (the request to reopen the RFC/U seems dead). Again, many thanks! Collect ( talk) 12:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jay, regarding Human rights in the United States, I copy edited the RfC statement to read: "Should Human rights in the United States include issues such as Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay?" (perhaps a separate RfC can later ask about Katrina etc, after the internal/external issue is agreed). I removed the involved/uninvolved distinction between editors, as people disagreed on the definition of that; and I also removed all threaded comments, and posts about the RfC not being clear. At the time of writing, the section looks like this. I hope those changes are okay with you. SlimVirgin talk| contribs 01:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, more additions have been made to the Shah family template by an IP. Have left a message on their talk page, though maybe unlikely they'll see it, and have added a line of noinclude text on the template page pointing to the discussion page. Cheers, Esowteric ( talk) 12:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi J, have created: Works by Idries Shah and Books by Idries Shah and linked the book articles to 'Books by ...' Chuß, Esowteric ( talk) 12:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Oriental Magic has just been created. If it's sent for speedy, it looks like James Moore may have to be drafted into the reception section to save the day, unless details can be found for the current sources 8-O Esowteric ( talk) 18:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I've left a comment regarding the above article with User:Cirt, probably one of the best informed people on the subject of Scientology we have. I'm fairly sure that if he joins the discussion of the above article, we should probably likely have some reasonable discussion regarding the subject. John Carter ( talk) 14:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I certainly understand issues with the media. I know of other articles where the facts reported aren't 100% true, but what's in the article stays there because the true story has never been printed in a WP:RS. I'm sure if I know of a couple, there's hundreds or thousands just like it. At the end of the day though I guess I feel if we're going to treat Jay Severin one way, how much more so should we treat someone hip deep in the Wikipedia system the same way. Once we start bending, where do we stop.-- Cube lurker ( talk) 17:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Jayen, I noticed that you mentioned at the AfD, perhaps half-jokingly, that you should write a WikiNews article on Blacketer. Actually, I think that would be a great idea. The errors in the media's reporting of this "controversy" are probably the most shameful thing I've seen in the popular media since the Twitter makes you immoral ho-hum, and anything that can be done to offer an accurate account of what happened would be awesome. rʨanaɢ talk/ contribs 23:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
[1] I removed all the Wikipedia cited text from the article, and I have provided a longer reason than I did on the edit summary for why I did so. OpenSeven ( talk) 18:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading File:DCameron320wi.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.
For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. -- ImageTaggingBot ( talk) 12:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
The Surreal Barnstar | ||
Awarded to Jayen466 by Esowteric for the wonderful and inspired work put into the Sam Blacketer controversy. Esowteric ( talk) 16:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC) |
Why, thanks Eric! :) JN 466 16:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Jimbo Wales: No one can make money from Wikipedia... except me ... Esowteric ( talk) 15:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Jayen466. A recent request for clarification which you were a part of, "Prem Rawat 2", has been archived and can be found at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat 2. If you still have questions about this case, please feel free to post another clarification request, contact a Clerk, or the Committee. For the Arbitration Committee, Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 01:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, I think the nomination for deletion is fundamentally flawed and may even set an unwelcome precedent for some sort of quango manning the doors, who can refuse an article entry simply because "I don't like it", backed up by mates echoing "I don't like it, either." Esowteric | Talk 10:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate your tidying my missies. I usually get back around after a bit.....and correct what I see, as you can imagine, I have two or three copy editors following me round keeping it clean. Thank you. Best regards. ( Off2riorob ( talk) 22:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC))
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 11:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit troubled by what you wrote here at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Plagiarism, where you say that
While you (quite aptly) note that WP:NOR means that Wikipedia is not and should not be a publisher of original thought, that does not doom us to an eternity of compulsory plagiarism. Plagiarism has two essential elements. The first is that a writer must reproduce the words and/or ideas of someone else; this is indeed something we are bound to do. The second essential element is that a writer must use those words and ideas without giving credit to the original author.
Where appropriate credit is given (citing appropriate sources for ideas, setting off direct quotations with block indents or quotation marks, etc.) no plagiarism has taken place. Wikipedia can be utterly devoid of original ideas and novel synthesis but still be completely clean of plagiarism. This sort of confusion about terminology and definitions is one of the (many) reasons why we absolutely need the plagiarism guideline. Cheers! TenOfAllTrades( talk) 16:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe worth a look, I'm not quite sure how to respond, if at all, J: Idries Shah talk page. Chow for now, Esowteric | Talk 15:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 02:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by SoxBot ( talk) at 02:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)