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My RFA passed today at 150/48/6. I wanted to thank you for weighing in on the RFA--I will do everything I can to uphold the policies of this site, and try to make it a better place. All the comments, questions, and in particular the opposes I plan to work on and learn from, so that I can hopefully always do the right thing with the huge trust given to me. rootology ( C)( T) 08:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi, thanks for your message. I generally agree with you about RS, but the anti-Scientology people on the Net promote this idea of "SP Hall" so much and so strongly, and since there is so much anti-Scientology fervor here on WP, I figured it wouldn't be a problem. After all, Wikipedia's Scientology articles are far from balanced or neutral, so why not just put this additional claim about SP Hall since practically everything else claimed on the Net is assumed to be true. Anyway, that the source is not considered to be reliable (and I hope that this is widely held here, and not just by you) is heartening.
I heard about the ArbCom, but I highly doubt it will be able to fix any problems because there is a rampant systemic bias against Scientology throughout Wikipedia and the Net. I've tried to fix problems where I've found them, but dealing with the anti-Scientology crowd is extremely difficult. Laval ( talk) 12:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Apology graciously accepted. I do appreciate the secondary sources you added, but at the same time I still wanted to get some further input on the sourcing matter from other editors. It's good for progress when you have more eyeballs on article. ← Spidern → 13:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Asking editors to give their input is great, but when you do so please don't influence the response. I just came across your posting to the Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, and I have to say it was not a neutral statement. See WP:CANVASS for the right way to frame such requests. It's a courtesy to link to such a requests so that other editors will know what's being asked. Will Beback talk 05:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Just to clarify, the section I deleted (and you restored) was taken word for word from the book it sourced. It also really didn't belong where it was. Accordingly, I've rewritten it and moved it up to the intro, but no content has been lost. LSD ( talk) 18:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hi. We were hoping that you would help us understand the formatting changes you made to Meher Baba. See that article's talk page. All the best. -- nemonoman ( talk) 14:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, comments upon evidence are normally placed on the evidence talk page. [1] Durova Charge! 15:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Discussion has resumed on NPOV/FAQ: Wikipedia_talk:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#New_Policy_discussion. If you're interested... :) Dreadstar † 20:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I am reviewing your article for GA purely out of intrigue, and will be entering comments at Talk:Scientology in Germany/GA1. So far I think the article is quite fine and that you have done a good job of NPOV. All I can say so far is ask you to remove the All CAPS in the References. Regards, — Mattisse ( Talk) 02:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I thought you might want to know that I put up WP:NORDR as a Wikipedia essay. It has changed quite a bit, so feel free to fix or improve it. Hope to hear from you soon. Cheers, Phenylalanine ( talk) 19:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
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That you very much for your very kind statement about our editing interactions. What you described is indeed what I sought to achieve when I reviewed an article and worked with an editor. Good luck with the article. I think you are a conscientious writer and, especially if the article is allowed to be nurtured in peace and allowed to be kept short and to the point, it will be a fine article. It was already quite fascinating! Although I will no longer be reviewing articles for GAN, if there is anything I can do in the future, please let me know. Regards, — Mattisse ( Talk) 00:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I have initiated a request for arbitration and named you as a party. [2] You may wish to make a statement there. Durova Charge! 08:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
It's a tough call. Arbitration is as much fun as a root canal, but a root canal can be better than letting a problem fester. For a number of reasons I've been disappointed with ArbCom's decision last year to rely so heavily on discretionary sanctions; if you've read the RfC on arbitration enforcement you'll catch my reasons why. Discretionary sanctions can serve a role in small disputes, but when the number of involved parties reaches a critical mass then noticeboard format becomes ineffective. Too unstructured; too much bickering.
What's been happening across a variety of long running disputes is that by the time a noticeboard thread opens, both sides have a backlog of unaddressed policy complaints. So the thread gets flooded, with the unfortunate effect that most admins shy away. So the areas that need the most admin attention actually wind up getting very little of it, except for a few individual admins who eventually end up either drawn into the dispute personally, or getting accused of partisanship by one or both sides.
In the long run I think the best solution is to assemble informal admin task forces--groups of a dozen to 20 uninvolved admins who agree to watchlist a bunch of pages and step forward before things get out of hand. Mostly they'd make suggestions on talk pages, occasionally apply a page protection, and more rarely use the block button. The key thing is to stabilize the area--make sure people on both sides see that site administration is actually paying attention and that policies count for something.
Most people prefer to follow whatever rules are in place, as long as the rules are reasonably fair and reasonably well enforced. Durova Charge! 01:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Btw your idea of a rotating task force sounds interesting. The idea sounds intriguing. Monthly might be too frequent; it takes a bit of time to learn the lay of the land. 3-4 months though might work better (if we could get enough people). Durova Charge! 02:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello, as you may have noticed, I'm currently improving the article and trying to have it ready for a FAC by the end of the month. Would you mind taking a look at it and letting me know if you still have any issues with the page? Also, do you know of any reliable sources that would state when she became a Clear? Before it cited an anti-Scientology website, but I changed that to this: "Celebrity" (248). Church of Scientology. 1991. {{
cite journal}}
: Cite journal requires |journal=
(
help); Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help). However, I decided a third party source would be much better and commented the statement out. Do you know of any? Thanks,
Scorpion
0422 16:42, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Please have a look at what is a copyright violation in Wikipedia. I write this in connection with Scientology. It is not even a one-sentence quote. I assume you weren't familiair with this policy. Debresser ( talk) 12:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat 2/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, MBisanz talk 21:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello Jay - I was glad just now to see your hello message. I changed service providers and it ended up taking much too long. Still, a break is good.... this is my first hit since reconnecting, so chances are I shall be checking in again....
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My RFA passed today at 150/48/6. I wanted to thank you for weighing in on the RFA--I will do everything I can to uphold the policies of this site, and try to make it a better place. All the comments, questions, and in particular the opposes I plan to work on and learn from, so that I can hopefully always do the right thing with the huge trust given to me. rootology ( C)( T) 08:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Delievered by SoxBot II ( talk) at 21:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your message. I generally agree with you about RS, but the anti-Scientology people on the Net promote this idea of "SP Hall" so much and so strongly, and since there is so much anti-Scientology fervor here on WP, I figured it wouldn't be a problem. After all, Wikipedia's Scientology articles are far from balanced or neutral, so why not just put this additional claim about SP Hall since practically everything else claimed on the Net is assumed to be true. Anyway, that the source is not considered to be reliable (and I hope that this is widely held here, and not just by you) is heartening.
I heard about the ArbCom, but I highly doubt it will be able to fix any problems because there is a rampant systemic bias against Scientology throughout Wikipedia and the Net. I've tried to fix problems where I've found them, but dealing with the anti-Scientology crowd is extremely difficult. Laval ( talk) 12:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Apology graciously accepted. I do appreciate the secondary sources you added, but at the same time I still wanted to get some further input on the sourcing matter from other editors. It's good for progress when you have more eyeballs on article. ← Spidern → 13:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Asking editors to give their input is great, but when you do so please don't influence the response. I just came across your posting to the Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, and I have to say it was not a neutral statement. See WP:CANVASS for the right way to frame such requests. It's a courtesy to link to such a requests so that other editors will know what's being asked. Will Beback talk 05:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Just to clarify, the section I deleted (and you restored) was taken word for word from the book it sourced. It also really didn't belong where it was. Accordingly, I've rewritten it and moved it up to the intro, but no content has been lost. LSD ( talk) 18:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hi. We were hoping that you would help us understand the formatting changes you made to Meher Baba. See that article's talk page. All the best. -- nemonoman ( talk) 14:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jayen, comments upon evidence are normally placed on the evidence talk page. [1] Durova Charge! 15:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Discussion has resumed on NPOV/FAQ: Wikipedia_talk:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#New_Policy_discussion. If you're interested... :) Dreadstar † 20:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I am reviewing your article for GA purely out of intrigue, and will be entering comments at Talk:Scientology in Germany/GA1. So far I think the article is quite fine and that you have done a good job of NPOV. All I can say so far is ask you to remove the All CAPS in the References. Regards, — Mattisse ( Talk) 02:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I thought you might want to know that I put up WP:NORDR as a Wikipedia essay. It has changed quite a bit, so feel free to fix or improve it. Hope to hear from you soon. Cheers, Phenylalanine ( talk) 19:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Delivered by §hepBot ( Disable) at 06:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
That you very much for your very kind statement about our editing interactions. What you described is indeed what I sought to achieve when I reviewed an article and worked with an editor. Good luck with the article. I think you are a conscientious writer and, especially if the article is allowed to be nurtured in peace and allowed to be kept short and to the point, it will be a fine article. It was already quite fascinating! Although I will no longer be reviewing articles for GAN, if there is anything I can do in the future, please let me know. Regards, — Mattisse ( Talk) 00:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I have initiated a request for arbitration and named you as a party. [2] You may wish to make a statement there. Durova Charge! 08:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
It's a tough call. Arbitration is as much fun as a root canal, but a root canal can be better than letting a problem fester. For a number of reasons I've been disappointed with ArbCom's decision last year to rely so heavily on discretionary sanctions; if you've read the RfC on arbitration enforcement you'll catch my reasons why. Discretionary sanctions can serve a role in small disputes, but when the number of involved parties reaches a critical mass then noticeboard format becomes ineffective. Too unstructured; too much bickering.
What's been happening across a variety of long running disputes is that by the time a noticeboard thread opens, both sides have a backlog of unaddressed policy complaints. So the thread gets flooded, with the unfortunate effect that most admins shy away. So the areas that need the most admin attention actually wind up getting very little of it, except for a few individual admins who eventually end up either drawn into the dispute personally, or getting accused of partisanship by one or both sides.
In the long run I think the best solution is to assemble informal admin task forces--groups of a dozen to 20 uninvolved admins who agree to watchlist a bunch of pages and step forward before things get out of hand. Mostly they'd make suggestions on talk pages, occasionally apply a page protection, and more rarely use the block button. The key thing is to stabilize the area--make sure people on both sides see that site administration is actually paying attention and that policies count for something.
Most people prefer to follow whatever rules are in place, as long as the rules are reasonably fair and reasonably well enforced. Durova Charge! 01:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Btw your idea of a rotating task force sounds interesting. The idea sounds intriguing. Monthly might be too frequent; it takes a bit of time to learn the lay of the land. 3-4 months though might work better (if we could get enough people). Durova Charge! 02:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello, as you may have noticed, I'm currently improving the article and trying to have it ready for a FAC by the end of the month. Would you mind taking a look at it and letting me know if you still have any issues with the page? Also, do you know of any reliable sources that would state when she became a Clear? Before it cited an anti-Scientology website, but I changed that to this: "Celebrity" (248). Church of Scientology. 1991. {{
cite journal}}
: Cite journal requires |journal=
(
help); Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help). However, I decided a third party source would be much better and commented the statement out. Do you know of any? Thanks,
Scorpion
0422 16:42, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Please have a look at what is a copyright violation in Wikipedia. I write this in connection with Scientology. It is not even a one-sentence quote. I assume you weren't familiair with this policy. Debresser ( talk) 12:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat 2/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat 2/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, MBisanz talk 21:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello Jay - I was glad just now to see your hello message. I changed service providers and it ended up taking much too long. Still, a break is good.... this is my first hit since reconnecting, so chances are I shall be checking in again....
This week, the Wikipedia Signpost published volume 5, issue 8, which includes these articles:
The kinks are still being worked out in a new design for these Signpost deliveries, and we apologize for the plain format for this week.
Delivered by §hepBot ( Disable) at 01:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)