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Hi there, if you want to nominate an article for deletion, please read the process listed at Wikipedia:Guide to deletion, and especially how to properly nominate an article for deletion at WP:AFDLIST. Seagull123 Φ 18:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Seagull123 sorry for replying late and thanks for your kind information. Iitianeditor ( talk) 13:42, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Please see WP:Twinkle. This semi-automated program makes it -very- easy to make AfDs with proper formatting. It also helps with countless other tasks you may find yourself wanting to accomplish. I would highly recommend using it in the future. Thank you ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 20:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, I noticed you nominated 2 of my articles for AFD. Firstly you should notify the person who created the page before you nominate it for AFD. Secondly please can you read WP:CRIN as then you would know the specific criteria for an AFD for a cricketer. Sorry if this seems a bit rash but I obviously don't want my articles to be deleted unfairly. Thanks CreativeNorth ( talk) 12:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- CreativeNorth Will make sure to notify next time. Thanks for the suggestion.
I believe that you shouldn't worry about your article getting deleted wrongly because isn't that what AfDs are for?
I'll be answering the specific concern you have over here though, I believe that all the subject specific guidelines are what gives us a strong indication that WP:GNG is met. In the specific cases I've nominated for deletion I don't believe GNG is met despite the indication you have suggested, ofcourse I can be wrong but I guess that's what the AfD process is for so that a proper decision is taken. Any further discussion should be on the AfD page for everyone's benefit.
Ok thanks, once again sorry if I was a bit rash. Obviously as you can probably understand you don’t want your articles to be deleted. Glad to see you took my advice about notifying after nominating an article for AFD and hope to see you in future discussions on here about cricket. All the best CreativeNorth ( talk) 20:37, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- CreativeNorth sure, will hope to see you too . Iitianeditor ( talk) 17:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
You too, sorry to keep coming back to this but it is making me a bit nervous that you are nominating many of my articles for deletion. As you can imagine I don’t want to have more deleted articles than ones still on here! So sorry for the persistent messaging I just don’t want my reputation to go out of the window! and also when nominating some more of my articles you did not message me on my talk page to tell me. So if you do nominate any more please notify me. CreativeNorth ( talk) 22:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- CreativeNorth Sorry about that, I'm still learning and I just got carried away, will not happen again. Iitianeditor ( talk) 13:48, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, we spoke earlier and I'm sorry if I offend you. How many more articles of mine do you plan on nominating for AFDs because at the moment it seems you are just going through them all! I do get that you are trying to help the encyclopedia and I appreciate that. But it is going to seriously hinder my reputation if you delete all my articles. Once again sorry if I have offended you but I am just really sad that they have all been nominated for AFD. Anyway I might be take a wikibreak in the near future and I hope to see you afterwards. Thanks and for the third time I am sorry if I have offended you. Bye CreativeNorth ( talk) 18:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- CreativeNorth I'm absolutely not offended by you at all! Please believe me, infact I think you're a great editor with the best of intentions. Yes, I did go through all of them since they seemed to follow a template, but I don't intend to nominate anymore. Incase you might've noticed, I didn't nominate any of the ones which didn't seem repetitive. Coming to the point about reputation, I don't think we should worry too much about it. Any work we do in life will be challenged by multiple people and it doesn't reflect on us in anyway. And if people judge us on that, I guess the problem is with the people. We should move fast and not dwell on the past. Lots of love! Iitianeditor ( talk) 18:54, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Iitianeditor. Just some advice that it's probably not the best idea to list 20+ single AfDs at the same time. I have no problem with you nominating any article, it's just that with so many being done at the same time, it can flood the AfD page and make a ton of extra work for those who look at each AfD one by one. Maybe limit the noms to a couple per day, to give enough people enough time to evaluate each one as they are listed. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
You're right, I did think of it, but then the pages were very repetitive. If a vandal decides to vandalize 30 pages, should we decide to only review 2 at a time? I wanted to propose speedy deletion, but from what I understood it didn't meet the criteria. Not that I'm saying the pages are in any way like what a vandal would do, it was just a thought experiment. Iitianeditor ( talk) 07:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- All of them meet
WP:NCRIC, which isn't "being debated itself", and so all 20 will almost certainly be kept. And why are you specifically picking out bios of Pakistani cricketers? There's nothing that makes Pakistani cricketers less notable, and this would indicate that you may have a bias against them.
Joseph
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- my 2¢ ... I don't appreciate multiple AfD's all done at once with the same deletion script. It indicates there is a bias or a slant at work. I do look at AfD's one by one, and look at pages and history and references. I agree with Lugnuts - it is enough to make people suspicious of you and your motives. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 12:33, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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under discussion at NSPORT where there is clear consensus to remove the criteria under which these players meet it (i.e. domestic appearances). Given that consensus, and recent AfD results, it is actually quite likely that many of these articles will be deleted, particularly those who have played just one or very few FC/LA matches.
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- I'm not arguing the notability, I'm saying that an Indian editor nominating 20 Pakistani cricketers (and no cricketers of any other nationality) is suspicious. As is an editor with 3 weeks experienced being so interested in AfDs. As a result, I'm struggling to believe that these nominations were done in
good faith and without bias.
Joseph
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talk) 13:22, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Joseph2302, Thanks for assuming stuff about me! Please go ahead and don't evaluate my contributions on their merit, but question my motives. I didn't really want to respond to your incredible insulting idea that because I'm indian I'm nominating them for deletion. But I want you to know that I'm not racist and I'm not sure why you've presumed that to be the case. I spent hours and hours reading about AfDs and even nominated two based on my rudimentary understanding at the start. I waited for those to end to see if I was right. And now you're coming here and saying that I'm racist basically. Incredible.
- I'm not arguing the notability, I'm saying that an Indian editor nominating 20 Pakistani cricketers (and no cricketers of any other nationality) is suspicious. As is an editor with 3 weeks experienced being so interested in AfDs. As a result, I'm struggling to believe that these nominations were done in
good faith and without bias.
Joseph
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- And what the heck is this supposed to mean? Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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You have been blocked for 31 hours for persistent personal attacks and trumped-up charges in
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- Bishonen I would say there might be an issue in the way both of us interpret the word "Racist". I would define it as any prejudice towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group. Joseph is right that I'm Indian. Now he claimed, to the best of my understanding, that it's "suspicious" that I'm nominating Pakistani cricketer player's articles for deletion. And that's suspicious because I'm an Indian. He didn't really think of any alternative reasons. ( Valereee has perfectly realized what happened per his comments on Joseph2302's talk page). Now of course I would be very offended by a mischaracterization of me. I'm too tired to list again all the personal attacks Lugnuts had made against me, although a small section of those I've listed on the ani thread. If you look closely, on the comments he has made on my nominations, he absolutely doesn't care about the merit of my nominations. He made a bunch of attacks on me which have been clearly refuted per the ani thread. I believe you've selectively picked out my comment, which I agree could've been phrased better, about Lugnuts malicious intentions. Iitianeditor ( talk) 13:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Bishonen, to be fair, Joseph did say that an Indian editor nominating a bunch of Pakistani cricketers was suspicious. It may not be exactly an accusation of racism, but it's sailing pretty close, and I can see how it might feel that way. Iitianeditor, to be fair, you received multiple pieces of advice to slow your roll on AfDs and also to be careful about editing India/Pakistan/Afghanistan topics. The reason Joseph found your edits suspicious is because here on the English Wikipedia we have VAST experience with inexperienced editors from one country or the other wanting to push through what they see as the "correct" point of view. My advice to you is that until you have made several thousand edits, you should stay away from making AfD nominations and stay away from Pakistan. —valereee ( talk) 11:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Iitianeditor, no admin is going to unblock you based on that request. Did you read the information at Guide to Appealing Blocks that Bishonen linked to above? If not, go read it, then come back here and let's discuss. —valereee ( talk) 14:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Valereee I've read it and you're right, I don't think my comments are appropriate for an unblock request. I understand that maybe what was lacking in my request was to show intent to not argue further with other editors over what's already transpired. I guess I wanted more clarification. One concern I had was that if I'm being disruptive and making persistent personal attacks, is Lugnuts not? I believe he has been at least as hurtful to me (if not more) as I've been to him. Can he agree to not accuse me of baseless stuff on multiple pages so that I'm not tempted to respond to him?
Iitianeditor (
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- They may have been; I haven't gone over all their interactions with you and don't intend to. This is about you, not them. Okay, so if you haven't done so already, go to Preferences>Gadgets>Navigation popups and enable it. Ping me when you've done that.
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- Valereee I'm using a mobile device and I can't seem to find it on it. I'll quickly fire up my computer to do that. But just a quick clarification, I only meant our interactions on the ani thread since I guess that's where my main violations have occurred. So in my mind, I was just responding to Lugnuts in a similar tone in which he was talking to me. And I wanted to understand where I've gone more wrong than him. Iitianeditor ( talk) 14:35, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Valereee I'm sorry I've been bothering you this much and kinda asking you to make an inordinate amount of effort, the block anyway expires in 2 hours, but what I really wanted to understand was what exactly I've done wrong. Sorry for being a little thick headed.
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- We'll get to all that. Have you turned on Navigation popups? If so, hover over my name, then hover over Lugnuts' and Joseph's too, above. Tell me what you can learn about each of us.
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Valereee I've enabled it and see a popup which says actions, user, and popups and gives me brief information about the editor.
Iitianeditor (
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- Great. So you can see that Joseph has tens of thousands of edits over six years and Lugnuts over a million in nearly fifteen years of editing, which means 1. they know a lot about wikipedia policy and 2. the wikipedia community hasn't booted them for being more trouble than they're worth. Now, this doesn't mean even the most experienced editor can't be wrong, but in this case they aren't. I think they could have realized they were talking to a very inexperienced editor and chosen their words better, but commenting on possibly-problematic editing patterns is an okay thing to do, especially at ANI. Joseph probably could have said, "I'm concerned about your editing pattern. When we see a brand-new editor from India AfDing multiple Pakistani articles, that often means the editor is a POV-pusher. Can you explain why you're so focussed on Pakistani cricketers?" And Lugnuts was pointing out another possibly-problematic editing pattern, one that we also often see: sockpuppets often pretend to be new editors, but show high technical competence and discover AfD very early. Because of your lack of experience, you misinterpreted these comments as personal attacks against you. The advice you got at Teahouse to go to ANI was terrible advice to give to an editor with 500 edits. Once you got there, you dug yourself deeper and deeper. No one was ganging up on you anywhere; Wikipedia works collaboratively, which means as many people who want to comment, can. It's just something you have to get comfortable with. Which leads me to reiterate the advice I gave above: slow your roll. Don't nominate any more AfDs until you've !voted correctly (that is, your !vote agrees with the eventual consensus) in at least ten or twenty, and find something to edit besides Pakistan topics until you've got enough experience that you can read back over that ANI and just shake your head and laugh at what a noob you were being. :D
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- Thanks
Valereee I feel much better now. That's exactly what I'll do. I'll participate in more discussions before nominating. Would it be fine to participate in my own nominations? Also, would it be fine for me to ask Lugnuts to apologize to me for accusing me (very reasonable considering his experience) without really checking my edit history carefully and accusing me on multiple pages such as
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saad_Usman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Farooq_Saleem
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Farrukh_Rizvi amongst many more?
Iitianeditor (
talk) 15:32, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- You can !vote, but unless you've changed your mind it's not really necessary; the closer knows you support the AfD because you nom'd it.
- Lugnuts doesn't have anything to apologize for. They were pointing out a possibly-problematic editing pattern that anyone could recognize. I'd have been just as suspicious as Lugnuts and Joseph. It's quite likely everyone at that ANI or your earliest Teahouse questions is still suspicious, and in fact your talk page already has ten watchers. You can prove those suspicions wrong with the next thousand or so edits you make. You're going to have to trust that I, with my 30K+ edits and fifteen+ years' experience, know what I'm talking about here when I say other editors are free to point out possibly-problematic editing patterns.
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Valereee Thanks! I trust you and will be following your advice closely. Thanks again for taking out the time to talk to me. I hope it's fine if I contribute despite me saying I don't want to anymore (I've changed my mind).
Iitianeditor (
talk) 16:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's fine. I'd suggest not rage-quitting again, practically everyone who does that changes their mind and feels a bit sheepish afterward. :)
—valereee (
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- Just to be clear, I thought it was suspicious that 20 Pakistani cricketers were being nominated, as Pakistan topics have had issues in the past (which is why we have discretionary sanctions for India/Pakistan articles). The fact that you're Indian didn't make me more suspicious, if I nominated 20 Pakistani articles for deletion, I'd expect people to ask questions too (and I'm English). Sorry if that wasn't clear when I wrote it. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's fine. I'd suggest not rage-quitting again, practically everyone who does that changes their mind and feels a bit sheepish afterward. :)
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Valereee Thanks! I trust you and will be following your advice closely. Thanks again for taking out the time to talk to me. I hope it's fine if I contribute despite me saying I don't want to anymore (I've changed my mind).
Iitianeditor (
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- Thanks
Valereee I feel much better now. That's exactly what I'll do. I'll participate in more discussions before nominating. Would it be fine to participate in my own nominations? Also, would it be fine for me to ask Lugnuts to apologize to me for accusing me (very reasonable considering his experience) without really checking my edit history carefully and accusing me on multiple pages such as
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saad_Usman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Farooq_Saleem
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Farrukh_Rizvi amongst many more?
Iitianeditor (
talk) 15:32, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Great. So you can see that Joseph has tens of thousands of edits over six years and Lugnuts over a million in nearly fifteen years of editing, which means 1. they know a lot about wikipedia policy and 2. the wikipedia community hasn't booted them for being more trouble than they're worth. Now, this doesn't mean even the most experienced editor can't be wrong, but in this case they aren't. I think they could have realized they were talking to a very inexperienced editor and chosen their words better, but commenting on possibly-problematic editing patterns is an okay thing to do, especially at ANI. Joseph probably could have said, "I'm concerned about your editing pattern. When we see a brand-new editor from India AfDing multiple Pakistani articles, that often means the editor is a POV-pusher. Can you explain why you're so focussed on Pakistani cricketers?" And Lugnuts was pointing out another possibly-problematic editing pattern, one that we also often see: sockpuppets often pretend to be new editors, but show high technical competence and discover AfD very early. Because of your lack of experience, you misinterpreted these comments as personal attacks against you. The advice you got at Teahouse to go to ANI was terrible advice to give to an editor with 500 edits. Once you got there, you dug yourself deeper and deeper. No one was ganging up on you anywhere; Wikipedia works collaboratively, which means as many people who want to comment, can. It's just something you have to get comfortable with. Which leads me to reiterate the advice I gave above: slow your roll. Don't nominate any more AfDs until you've !voted correctly (that is, your !vote agrees with the eventual consensus) in at least ten or twenty, and find something to edit besides Pakistan topics until you've got enough experience that you can read back over that ANI and just shake your head and laugh at what a noob you were being. :D
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Valereee I've enabled it and see a popup which says actions, user, and popups and gives me brief information about the editor.
Iitianeditor (
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- We'll get to all that. Have you turned on Navigation popups? If so, hover over my name, then hover over Lugnuts' and Joseph's too, above. Tell me what you can learn about each of us.
—valereee (
talk) 14:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- They may have been; I haven't gone over all their interactions with you and don't intend to. This is about you, not them. Okay, so if you haven't done so already, go to Preferences>Gadgets>Navigation popups and enable it. Ping me when you've done that.
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Valereee I've read it and you're right, I don't think my comments are appropriate for an unblock request. I understand that maybe what was lacking in my request was to show intent to not argue further with other editors over what's already transpired. I guess I wanted more clarification. One concern I had was that if I'm being disruptive and making persistent personal attacks, is Lugnuts not? I believe he has been at least as hurtful to me (if not more) as I've been to him. Can he agree to not accuse me of baseless stuff on multiple pages so that I'm not tempted to respond to him?
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Hi there, if you want to nominate an article for deletion, please read the process listed at Wikipedia:Guide to deletion, and especially how to properly nominate an article for deletion at WP:AFDLIST. Seagull123 Φ 18:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Seagull123 sorry for replying late and thanks for your kind information. Iitianeditor ( talk) 13:42, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Please see WP:Twinkle. This semi-automated program makes it -very- easy to make AfDs with proper formatting. It also helps with countless other tasks you may find yourself wanting to accomplish. I would highly recommend using it in the future. Thank you ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 20:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, I noticed you nominated 2 of my articles for AFD. Firstly you should notify the person who created the page before you nominate it for AFD. Secondly please can you read WP:CRIN as then you would know the specific criteria for an AFD for a cricketer. Sorry if this seems a bit rash but I obviously don't want my articles to be deleted unfairly. Thanks CreativeNorth ( talk) 12:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- CreativeNorth Will make sure to notify next time. Thanks for the suggestion.
I believe that you shouldn't worry about your article getting deleted wrongly because isn't that what AfDs are for?
I'll be answering the specific concern you have over here though, I believe that all the subject specific guidelines are what gives us a strong indication that WP:GNG is met. In the specific cases I've nominated for deletion I don't believe GNG is met despite the indication you have suggested, ofcourse I can be wrong but I guess that's what the AfD process is for so that a proper decision is taken. Any further discussion should be on the AfD page for everyone's benefit.
Ok thanks, once again sorry if I was a bit rash. Obviously as you can probably understand you don’t want your articles to be deleted. Glad to see you took my advice about notifying after nominating an article for AFD and hope to see you in future discussions on here about cricket. All the best CreativeNorth ( talk) 20:37, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- CreativeNorth sure, will hope to see you too . Iitianeditor ( talk) 17:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
You too, sorry to keep coming back to this but it is making me a bit nervous that you are nominating many of my articles for deletion. As you can imagine I don’t want to have more deleted articles than ones still on here! So sorry for the persistent messaging I just don’t want my reputation to go out of the window! and also when nominating some more of my articles you did not message me on my talk page to tell me. So if you do nominate any more please notify me. CreativeNorth ( talk) 22:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- CreativeNorth Sorry about that, I'm still learning and I just got carried away, will not happen again. Iitianeditor ( talk) 13:48, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, we spoke earlier and I'm sorry if I offend you. How many more articles of mine do you plan on nominating for AFDs because at the moment it seems you are just going through them all! I do get that you are trying to help the encyclopedia and I appreciate that. But it is going to seriously hinder my reputation if you delete all my articles. Once again sorry if I have offended you but I am just really sad that they have all been nominated for AFD. Anyway I might be take a wikibreak in the near future and I hope to see you afterwards. Thanks and for the third time I am sorry if I have offended you. Bye CreativeNorth ( talk) 18:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- CreativeNorth I'm absolutely not offended by you at all! Please believe me, infact I think you're a great editor with the best of intentions. Yes, I did go through all of them since they seemed to follow a template, but I don't intend to nominate anymore. Incase you might've noticed, I didn't nominate any of the ones which didn't seem repetitive. Coming to the point about reputation, I don't think we should worry too much about it. Any work we do in life will be challenged by multiple people and it doesn't reflect on us in anyway. And if people judge us on that, I guess the problem is with the people. We should move fast and not dwell on the past. Lots of love! Iitianeditor ( talk) 18:54, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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~~~~ is automatically turned into your signature after you hit "publish changes". For example, this is my signature:
PJvanMill)
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Nevermind the signing part. I forgot for a moment that I already saw you doing this correctly at WP:TEA. kind regards from PJvanMill) talk( 13:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- PJvanMill thanks for the information, will try to improve myself with time. Iitianeditor ( talk) 17:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Iitianeditor. Just some advice that it's probably not the best idea to list 20+ single AfDs at the same time. I have no problem with you nominating any article, it's just that with so many being done at the same time, it can flood the AfD page and make a ton of extra work for those who look at each AfD one by one. Maybe limit the noms to a couple per day, to give enough people enough time to evaluate each one as they are listed. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
You're right, I did think of it, but then the pages were very repetitive. If a vandal decides to vandalize 30 pages, should we decide to only review 2 at a time? I wanted to propose speedy deletion, but from what I understood it didn't meet the criteria. Not that I'm saying the pages are in any way like what a vandal would do, it was just a thought experiment. Iitianeditor ( talk) 07:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- All of them meet
WP:NCRIC, which isn't "being debated itself", and so all 20 will almost certainly be kept. And why are you specifically picking out bios of Pakistani cricketers? There's nothing that makes Pakistani cricketers less notable, and this would indicate that you may have a bias against them.
Joseph
2302 (
talk) 07:41, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- my 2¢ ... I don't appreciate multiple AfD's all done at once with the same deletion script. It indicates there is a bias or a slant at work. I do look at AfD's one by one, and look at pages and history and references. I agree with Lugnuts - it is enough to make people suspicious of you and your motives. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 12:33, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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Joseph2302: ICYMI NCRIC doesn't have wide community support and is
under discussion at NSPORT where there is clear consensus to remove the criteria under which these players meet it (i.e. domestic appearances). Given that consensus, and recent AfD results, it is actually quite likely that many of these articles will be deleted, particularly those who have played just one or very few FC/LA matches.
wjemather
please leave a message... 13:13, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not arguing the notability, I'm saying that an Indian editor nominating 20 Pakistani cricketers (and no cricketers of any other nationality) is suspicious. As is an editor with 3 weeks experienced being so interested in AfDs. As a result, I'm struggling to believe that these nominations were done in
good faith and without bias.
Joseph
2302 (
talk) 13:22, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Joseph2302, Thanks for assuming stuff about me! Please go ahead and don't evaluate my contributions on their merit, but question my motives. I didn't really want to respond to your incredible insulting idea that because I'm indian I'm nominating them for deletion. But I want you to know that I'm not racist and I'm not sure why you've presumed that to be the case. I spent hours and hours reading about AfDs and even nominated two based on my rudimentary understanding at the start. I waited for those to end to see if I was right. And now you're coming here and saying that I'm racist basically. Incredible.
- I'm not arguing the notability, I'm saying that an Indian editor nominating 20 Pakistani cricketers (and no cricketers of any other nationality) is suspicious. As is an editor with 3 weeks experienced being so interested in AfDs. As a result, I'm struggling to believe that these nominations were done in
good faith and without bias.
Joseph
2302 (
talk) 13:22, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Prem Bharath, Bharath Mata. Bharath is great because of dharma. Follow dharma. --
Whiteguru (
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- And what the heck is this supposed to mean? Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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tålk 09:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC).
- Bishonen I would say there might be an issue in the way both of us interpret the word "Racist". I would define it as any prejudice towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group. Joseph is right that I'm Indian. Now he claimed, to the best of my understanding, that it's "suspicious" that I'm nominating Pakistani cricketer player's articles for deletion. And that's suspicious because I'm an Indian. He didn't really think of any alternative reasons. ( Valereee has perfectly realized what happened per his comments on Joseph2302's talk page). Now of course I would be very offended by a mischaracterization of me. I'm too tired to list again all the personal attacks Lugnuts had made against me, although a small section of those I've listed on the ani thread. If you look closely, on the comments he has made on my nominations, he absolutely doesn't care about the merit of my nominations. He made a bunch of attacks on me which have been clearly refuted per the ani thread. I believe you've selectively picked out my comment, which I agree could've been phrased better, about Lugnuts malicious intentions. Iitianeditor ( talk) 13:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Bishonen, to be fair, Joseph did say that an Indian editor nominating a bunch of Pakistani cricketers was suspicious. It may not be exactly an accusation of racism, but it's sailing pretty close, and I can see how it might feel that way. Iitianeditor, to be fair, you received multiple pieces of advice to slow your roll on AfDs and also to be careful about editing India/Pakistan/Afghanistan topics. The reason Joseph found your edits suspicious is because here on the English Wikipedia we have VAST experience with inexperienced editors from one country or the other wanting to push through what they see as the "correct" point of view. My advice to you is that until you have made several thousand edits, you should stay away from making AfD nominations and stay away from Pakistan. —valereee ( talk) 11:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Iitianeditor, no admin is going to unblock you based on that request. Did you read the information at Guide to Appealing Blocks that Bishonen linked to above? If not, go read it, then come back here and let's discuss. —valereee ( talk) 14:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Valereee I've read it and you're right, I don't think my comments are appropriate for an unblock request. I understand that maybe what was lacking in my request was to show intent to not argue further with other editors over what's already transpired. I guess I wanted more clarification. One concern I had was that if I'm being disruptive and making persistent personal attacks, is Lugnuts not? I believe he has been at least as hurtful to me (if not more) as I've been to him. Can he agree to not accuse me of baseless stuff on multiple pages so that I'm not tempted to respond to him?
Iitianeditor (
talk) 14:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- They may have been; I haven't gone over all their interactions with you and don't intend to. This is about you, not them. Okay, so if you haven't done so already, go to Preferences>Gadgets>Navigation popups and enable it. Ping me when you've done that.
—valereee (
talk) 14:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee I'm using a mobile device and I can't seem to find it on it. I'll quickly fire up my computer to do that. But just a quick clarification, I only meant our interactions on the ani thread since I guess that's where my main violations have occurred. So in my mind, I was just responding to Lugnuts in a similar tone in which he was talking to me. And I wanted to understand where I've gone more wrong than him. Iitianeditor ( talk) 14:35, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Valereee I'm sorry I've been bothering you this much and kinda asking you to make an inordinate amount of effort, the block anyway expires in 2 hours, but what I really wanted to understand was what exactly I've done wrong. Sorry for being a little thick headed.
Iitianeditor (
talk) 14:39, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- We'll get to all that. Have you turned on Navigation popups? If so, hover over my name, then hover over Lugnuts' and Joseph's too, above. Tell me what you can learn about each of us.
—valereee (
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Valereee I've enabled it and see a popup which says actions, user, and popups and gives me brief information about the editor.
Iitianeditor (
talk) 14:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Great. So you can see that Joseph has tens of thousands of edits over six years and Lugnuts over a million in nearly fifteen years of editing, which means 1. they know a lot about wikipedia policy and 2. the wikipedia community hasn't booted them for being more trouble than they're worth. Now, this doesn't mean even the most experienced editor can't be wrong, but in this case they aren't. I think they could have realized they were talking to a very inexperienced editor and chosen their words better, but commenting on possibly-problematic editing patterns is an okay thing to do, especially at ANI. Joseph probably could have said, "I'm concerned about your editing pattern. When we see a brand-new editor from India AfDing multiple Pakistani articles, that often means the editor is a POV-pusher. Can you explain why you're so focussed on Pakistani cricketers?" And Lugnuts was pointing out another possibly-problematic editing pattern, one that we also often see: sockpuppets often pretend to be new editors, but show high technical competence and discover AfD very early. Because of your lack of experience, you misinterpreted these comments as personal attacks against you. The advice you got at Teahouse to go to ANI was terrible advice to give to an editor with 500 edits. Once you got there, you dug yourself deeper and deeper. No one was ganging up on you anywhere; Wikipedia works collaboratively, which means as many people who want to comment, can. It's just something you have to get comfortable with. Which leads me to reiterate the advice I gave above: slow your roll. Don't nominate any more AfDs until you've !voted correctly (that is, your !vote agrees with the eventual consensus) in at least ten or twenty, and find something to edit besides Pakistan topics until you've got enough experience that you can read back over that ANI and just shake your head and laugh at what a noob you were being. :D
—valereee (
talk) 15:20, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks
Valereee I feel much better now. That's exactly what I'll do. I'll participate in more discussions before nominating. Would it be fine to participate in my own nominations? Also, would it be fine for me to ask Lugnuts to apologize to me for accusing me (very reasonable considering his experience) without really checking my edit history carefully and accusing me on multiple pages such as
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saad_Usman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Farooq_Saleem
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Farrukh_Rizvi amongst many more?
Iitianeditor (
talk) 15:32, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- You can !vote, but unless you've changed your mind it's not really necessary; the closer knows you support the AfD because you nom'd it.
- Lugnuts doesn't have anything to apologize for. They were pointing out a possibly-problematic editing pattern that anyone could recognize. I'd have been just as suspicious as Lugnuts and Joseph. It's quite likely everyone at that ANI or your earliest Teahouse questions is still suspicious, and in fact your talk page already has ten watchers. You can prove those suspicions wrong with the next thousand or so edits you make. You're going to have to trust that I, with my 30K+ edits and fifteen+ years' experience, know what I'm talking about here when I say other editors are free to point out possibly-problematic editing patterns.
—valereee (
talk) 15:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Valereee Thanks! I trust you and will be following your advice closely. Thanks again for taking out the time to talk to me. I hope it's fine if I contribute despite me saying I don't want to anymore (I've changed my mind).
Iitianeditor (
talk) 16:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's fine. I'd suggest not rage-quitting again, practically everyone who does that changes their mind and feels a bit sheepish afterward. :)
—valereee (
talk) 16:22, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, I thought it was suspicious that 20 Pakistani cricketers were being nominated, as Pakistan topics have had issues in the past (which is why we have discretionary sanctions for India/Pakistan articles). The fact that you're Indian didn't make me more suspicious, if I nominated 20 Pakistani articles for deletion, I'd expect people to ask questions too (and I'm English). Sorry if that wasn't clear when I wrote it. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's fine. I'd suggest not rage-quitting again, practically everyone who does that changes their mind and feels a bit sheepish afterward. :)
—valereee (
talk) 16:22, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Valereee Thanks! I trust you and will be following your advice closely. Thanks again for taking out the time to talk to me. I hope it's fine if I contribute despite me saying I don't want to anymore (I've changed my mind).
Iitianeditor (
talk) 16:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks
Valereee I feel much better now. That's exactly what I'll do. I'll participate in more discussions before nominating. Would it be fine to participate in my own nominations? Also, would it be fine for me to ask Lugnuts to apologize to me for accusing me (very reasonable considering his experience) without really checking my edit history carefully and accusing me on multiple pages such as
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Saad_Usman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Farooq_Saleem
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Farrukh_Rizvi amongst many more?
Iitianeditor (
talk) 15:32, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Great. So you can see that Joseph has tens of thousands of edits over six years and Lugnuts over a million in nearly fifteen years of editing, which means 1. they know a lot about wikipedia policy and 2. the wikipedia community hasn't booted them for being more trouble than they're worth. Now, this doesn't mean even the most experienced editor can't be wrong, but in this case they aren't. I think they could have realized they were talking to a very inexperienced editor and chosen their words better, but commenting on possibly-problematic editing patterns is an okay thing to do, especially at ANI. Joseph probably could have said, "I'm concerned about your editing pattern. When we see a brand-new editor from India AfDing multiple Pakistani articles, that often means the editor is a POV-pusher. Can you explain why you're so focussed on Pakistani cricketers?" And Lugnuts was pointing out another possibly-problematic editing pattern, one that we also often see: sockpuppets often pretend to be new editors, but show high technical competence and discover AfD very early. Because of your lack of experience, you misinterpreted these comments as personal attacks against you. The advice you got at Teahouse to go to ANI was terrible advice to give to an editor with 500 edits. Once you got there, you dug yourself deeper and deeper. No one was ganging up on you anywhere; Wikipedia works collaboratively, which means as many people who want to comment, can. It's just something you have to get comfortable with. Which leads me to reiterate the advice I gave above: slow your roll. Don't nominate any more AfDs until you've !voted correctly (that is, your !vote agrees with the eventual consensus) in at least ten or twenty, and find something to edit besides Pakistan topics until you've got enough experience that you can read back over that ANI and just shake your head and laugh at what a noob you were being. :D
—valereee (
talk) 15:20, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Valereee I've enabled it and see a popup which says actions, user, and popups and gives me brief information about the editor.
Iitianeditor (
talk) 14:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- We'll get to all that. Have you turned on Navigation popups? If so, hover over my name, then hover over Lugnuts' and Joseph's too, above. Tell me what you can learn about each of us.
—valereee (
talk) 14:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- They may have been; I haven't gone over all their interactions with you and don't intend to. This is about you, not them. Okay, so if you haven't done so already, go to Preferences>Gadgets>Navigation popups and enable it. Ping me when you've done that.
—valereee (
talk) 14:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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Valereee I've read it and you're right, I don't think my comments are appropriate for an unblock request. I understand that maybe what was lacking in my request was to show intent to not argue further with other editors over what's already transpired. I guess I wanted more clarification. One concern I had was that if I'm being disruptive and making persistent personal attacks, is Lugnuts not? I believe he has been at least as hurtful to me (if not more) as I've been to him. Can he agree to not accuse me of baseless stuff on multiple pages so that I'm not tempted to respond to him?
Iitianeditor (
talk) 14:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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