Sorry, I have reverted again. The reference used is not a reliable source, and another user agrees with me on this point. To answer your question, no - I am not this sfacts (despite claims by Simon DM.) And no, I do not even know who the person is. I had tried to create a user account, but within minutes of doing so, found myself blocked from editing. 124.168.176.97 ( talk) 21:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
- I shouldn't need to appeal it. 124.168.176.97 ( talk) 09:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
...And blocking user's accounts without evidence or peer review is different how? 124.168.176.97 ( talk) 22:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Ok well.... you have acknowledged that you were blocked and are circumventing that block. That's kind of a big no-no. Hohohahaha ( talk) 15:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Until it can be explained why I have been banned each time I create a new user account, I will continue to do so, editing using different ip addresses. I see no reason why I should have to justify myself rather than those who blocked me for no reason and without supporting evidence. 124.168.176.97 ( talk) 22:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Please do as you wish and by doing so and openly declaring that you are doing so.... puts you outside the laws of the project... and gives people to right to revert all your edits. Hohohahaha ( talk) 22:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Proposed deletion with WP:PROD
Point taken on desiring documentation of secondary sources. Done. If you're going to consider using a policy like WP:PROD again in the future, you should read it first:
"Articles that:
- Have previously been proposed for deletion
- Have previously been undeleted
- Have been discussed on AfD or MfD
are not candidates for {{ prod}}."
Thought Adjuster already had an AfD and was kept. You should also read the policy WP:DELETE, which states "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." This was an easy thing to add and requests like this for secondary sources should be done on the talk page and / or by adding an appropriate template message to the top of the article. Wazronk ( talk) 03:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks Wazronk, I didn't know that about prods... though to be honest if the AFD was linked to the talk page, I am doubtful that I would have prod'ed it. Do you have a link for it? Hohohahaha ( talk) 03:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- I see how you could have missed it if you just looked at the top of the discussion page for the standard post AfD template and link. That wasn't done. Instead, look under the discussion page for the topic "Articles for Deletion debate". That was from a period of active conflicts between True Believers on the main article and myself, and I'd cut some of the excesses (non-NPOV warts and all) and moved them to the TA article. The article then attracted well deserve scrutiny for not meeting NPOV, although, similar to your request with your PROD, it wasn't actually that big of deal to fix.
- On another note, I noticed you took out a paragraph as OR. Actually that is almost entirely a summary of how the book itself describes the concept in relation to other religious ideas. It's easy for it to come back into the article of course, but just as a courtesy in the future, when there are editors around who know the topic and the sources, you can use {{cite}} tags to draw their attention to material you think is problematic instead of simply assuming and deleting. Wazronk ( talk) 15:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks... I did notice the afd on the talk page later on.
- I am torn about the cite tag... I have used it, and 90% of the time a citation doesn't show up.
- SA is pretty determined to erase those pages, the only way they will probably survive is with A LOT of inline citations. I'll be around- and thanks for opening dialogue. Hohohahaha ( talk) 18:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Are you User:Levine2112? ScienceApologist ( talk) 19:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for asking.
- First off, I play fair and I keep my word. So I am gong to refer you to my userpage and let you answer your own question. :)
- Has the account Hohohahaha and Levine edited the same page within a period of 2 months? If so, I am not him.
- Is Levine still actively editing? If so, I am not him, my main account is 99.9% dead.
- I will give you a freebie- although I have seen your name while operating from my main account I have never interacted with you nor worked on a page with you with my old main. Hohohahaha ( talk) 16:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I can't see much harm accruing from semi-protection on any of the troubled pages but it'll save a lot of hassle. The vandal/s need to just take a little time off and find something else to invest his/their energies into. Really it's a kindness. -- Simon D M ( talk) 17:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you should establish wether I am that user or not before you start on this road. And classifying my removal of your continued harassment as vandalism is laughable. 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 01:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- You said you were not him, and I have chosen to believe you.
- You are a blocked user. Blocked users are not allowed to edit here. What would you call your participation here? Hohohahaha ( talk) 02:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Wow that's low. 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 06:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Not the facets then? 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 08:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well, to me he said, I am not this sffacets. [ [1]], fourth line down. Hohohahaha ( talk) 14:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
If you believe me, and you really want to help, then please investigate how it is that an admin can block a user on a whim or vague suspicion? 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 04:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- That isn't my job... that would be your job. Anyway, "investigating" feels like a total waste of time to me. Hohohahaha ( talk) 14:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- No, it isn't my job either. 124.171.46.203 ( talk) 18:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Just appeal and stop wasting innocent people's time. -- Simon D M ( talk) 06:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- kettle, pot, black… :) --? 06:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- I did appeal. One of my usernames (Ishqbina) was blocked because simon dm had a suspicion [2]. This is not basis for a block. 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 08:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- I see that user appealled twice. If I were you, I would appeal once or twice more, and if nothing comes of it, I would go somewhere else. But that's just me. Maybe you are in the right here, I don't know. Your editing leads me to not believe that... and even if you are- well, I have noticed that life is not always fair or right. Hohohahaha ( talk) 15:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
I will try again - and if it fails this time I will take it further. 124.171.46.203 ( talk) 18:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Awesome! That sounds like such a "more likely to succeed" kind of plan! Hohohahaha ( talk) 18:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- According what I could see here (wiki) Simon sees [ Sfacets everywhere] --? 09:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agenor 77 ( talk • contribs)
Seems like Sfacets is back to his old ways. -- Simon D M ( talk) 16:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not an admin, but according to the Block Log, he is not blocked. Momusufan ( talk) 03:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Please add any more as you find them:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=196749533&oldid=196749008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.114.226.173 ( talk) 12:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=196789814&oldid=196787286
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=196845502&oldid=196844197
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=194104651&oldid=194103402 (lovely bit of double-think)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=194289005&oldid=194288268 (more double-think, and confusing the concept of 'reliable' with the concept of 'appropriate')
Matt Stan ( talk) 13:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Have added diffs to arb evidence as you implied. Matt Stan ( talk) 15:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
FYI, per Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Prem_Rawat/Proposed_decision#Article_probation
Prem Rawat and related articles, including their talk pages, are subject to article probation. Any editor may be banned from any or all of the articles, or other reasonably related pages, by an uninvolved administrator for disruptive edits, including, but not limited to, edit warring, personal attacks and incivility.
Also note that these articles are under mediation, see Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-04-20 Prem Rawat ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 19:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
A page you created, Say Hello for Me, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it has no content, other than external links, categories, "see also" sections, rephrasing of the title, and/or chat-like comments.
You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.
Thank you. WadeSimMiser ( talk) 18:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Please be aware that I have opened an RfC about the conduct of PCPP ( talk · contribs).-- Asdfg 12345 01:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I have reverted again. The reference used is not a reliable source, and another user agrees with me on this point. To answer your question, no - I am not this sfacts (despite claims by Simon DM.) And no, I do not even know who the person is. I had tried to create a user account, but within minutes of doing so, found myself blocked from editing. 124.168.176.97 ( talk) 21:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
- I shouldn't need to appeal it. 124.168.176.97 ( talk) 09:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
...And blocking user's accounts without evidence or peer review is different how? 124.168.176.97 ( talk) 22:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Ok well.... you have acknowledged that you were blocked and are circumventing that block. That's kind of a big no-no. Hohohahaha ( talk) 15:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Until it can be explained why I have been banned each time I create a new user account, I will continue to do so, editing using different ip addresses. I see no reason why I should have to justify myself rather than those who blocked me for no reason and without supporting evidence. 124.168.176.97 ( talk) 22:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Please do as you wish and by doing so and openly declaring that you are doing so.... puts you outside the laws of the project... and gives people to right to revert all your edits. Hohohahaha ( talk) 22:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Proposed deletion with WP:PROD
Point taken on desiring documentation of secondary sources. Done. If you're going to consider using a policy like WP:PROD again in the future, you should read it first:
"Articles that:
- Have previously been proposed for deletion
- Have previously been undeleted
- Have been discussed on AfD or MfD
are not candidates for {{ prod}}."
Thought Adjuster already had an AfD and was kept. You should also read the policy WP:DELETE, which states "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." This was an easy thing to add and requests like this for secondary sources should be done on the talk page and / or by adding an appropriate template message to the top of the article. Wazronk ( talk) 03:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks Wazronk, I didn't know that about prods... though to be honest if the AFD was linked to the talk page, I am doubtful that I would have prod'ed it. Do you have a link for it? Hohohahaha ( talk) 03:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- I see how you could have missed it if you just looked at the top of the discussion page for the standard post AfD template and link. That wasn't done. Instead, look under the discussion page for the topic "Articles for Deletion debate". That was from a period of active conflicts between True Believers on the main article and myself, and I'd cut some of the excesses (non-NPOV warts and all) and moved them to the TA article. The article then attracted well deserve scrutiny for not meeting NPOV, although, similar to your request with your PROD, it wasn't actually that big of deal to fix.
- On another note, I noticed you took out a paragraph as OR. Actually that is almost entirely a summary of how the book itself describes the concept in relation to other religious ideas. It's easy for it to come back into the article of course, but just as a courtesy in the future, when there are editors around who know the topic and the sources, you can use {{cite}} tags to draw their attention to material you think is problematic instead of simply assuming and deleting. Wazronk ( talk) 15:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks... I did notice the afd on the talk page later on.
- I am torn about the cite tag... I have used it, and 90% of the time a citation doesn't show up.
- SA is pretty determined to erase those pages, the only way they will probably survive is with A LOT of inline citations. I'll be around- and thanks for opening dialogue. Hohohahaha ( talk) 18:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Are you User:Levine2112? ScienceApologist ( talk) 19:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for asking.
- First off, I play fair and I keep my word. So I am gong to refer you to my userpage and let you answer your own question. :)
- Has the account Hohohahaha and Levine edited the same page within a period of 2 months? If so, I am not him.
- Is Levine still actively editing? If so, I am not him, my main account is 99.9% dead.
- I will give you a freebie- although I have seen your name while operating from my main account I have never interacted with you nor worked on a page with you with my old main. Hohohahaha ( talk) 16:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I can't see much harm accruing from semi-protection on any of the troubled pages but it'll save a lot of hassle. The vandal/s need to just take a little time off and find something else to invest his/their energies into. Really it's a kindness. -- Simon D M ( talk) 17:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you should establish wether I am that user or not before you start on this road. And classifying my removal of your continued harassment as vandalism is laughable. 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 01:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- You said you were not him, and I have chosen to believe you.
- You are a blocked user. Blocked users are not allowed to edit here. What would you call your participation here? Hohohahaha ( talk) 02:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Wow that's low. 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 06:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Not the facets then? 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 08:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well, to me he said, I am not this sffacets. [ [1]], fourth line down. Hohohahaha ( talk) 14:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
If you believe me, and you really want to help, then please investigate how it is that an admin can block a user on a whim or vague suspicion? 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 04:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- That isn't my job... that would be your job. Anyway, "investigating" feels like a total waste of time to me. Hohohahaha ( talk) 14:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- No, it isn't my job either. 124.171.46.203 ( talk) 18:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Just appeal and stop wasting innocent people's time. -- Simon D M ( talk) 06:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- kettle, pot, black… :) --? 06:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- I did appeal. One of my usernames (Ishqbina) was blocked because simon dm had a suspicion [2]. This is not basis for a block. 124.168.155.244 ( talk) 08:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- I see that user appealled twice. If I were you, I would appeal once or twice more, and if nothing comes of it, I would go somewhere else. But that's just me. Maybe you are in the right here, I don't know. Your editing leads me to not believe that... and even if you are- well, I have noticed that life is not always fair or right. Hohohahaha ( talk) 15:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
I will try again - and if it fails this time I will take it further. 124.171.46.203 ( talk) 18:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Awesome! That sounds like such a "more likely to succeed" kind of plan! Hohohahaha ( talk) 18:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- According what I could see here (wiki) Simon sees [ Sfacets everywhere] --? 09:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agenor 77 ( talk • contribs)
Seems like Sfacets is back to his old ways. -- Simon D M ( talk) 16:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not an admin, but according to the Block Log, he is not blocked. Momusufan ( talk) 03:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Please add any more as you find them:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=196749533&oldid=196749008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.114.226.173 ( talk) 12:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=196789814&oldid=196787286
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=196845502&oldid=196844197
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=194104651&oldid=194103402 (lovely bit of double-think)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3APrem_Rawat&diff=194289005&oldid=194288268 (more double-think, and confusing the concept of 'reliable' with the concept of 'appropriate')
Matt Stan ( talk) 13:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Have added diffs to arb evidence as you implied. Matt Stan ( talk) 15:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
FYI, per Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Prem_Rawat/Proposed_decision#Article_probation
Prem Rawat and related articles, including their talk pages, are subject to article probation. Any editor may be banned from any or all of the articles, or other reasonably related pages, by an uninvolved administrator for disruptive edits, including, but not limited to, edit warring, personal attacks and incivility.
Also note that these articles are under mediation, see Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-04-20 Prem Rawat ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 19:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
A page you created, Say Hello for Me, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it has no content, other than external links, categories, "see also" sections, rephrasing of the title, and/or chat-like comments.
You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.
Thank you. WadeSimMiser ( talk) 18:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Please be aware that I have opened an RfC about the conduct of PCPP ( talk · contribs).-- Asdfg 12345 01:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)