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Thanks for your note about this; I've replied at
your discussion on the WP:SHIPS talkpage.
Normally when a move is contested it gets referred to
WP:RM, but I think the discussion at WP:SHIPS would be more knowledgeable than there, and there are enough admins in the project to implement any decision made. Anyway, my regards,
Xyl 54 (
talk) 02:34, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Xyl 54 and thank you for your contribution to the discussion. I thought that it is better to have a more broad discussion about naming practice of shipyards and shipbuilding companies. There are valid arguments for both naming articles according to the yard and the operator. -- Gwafton ( talk) 19:27, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hei. I see your contributions to this article and I came to ask, if you have an access to "Aurajoen veistämöt ja telakat" book by Nils von Knorring? I need to check serial numbers of Kaiman-class submarines there, so I need your help with it. It seems there is a mistake in article for now. -- Rave ( talk) 08:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- Privyet. Yes, I do have the book. The order numbers in the article match with the information in the book. Crichton gave order numbers to all products, not only ships, and both Turku and Ochta yards shared the same numbering system. The same numbering is also applied on individual steam engines and other products. This can't be compared to the yard numbers given by the shipyards. However, there is also another numbering system in place, which was created when Crichton and Vulcan merged creating Crichton-Vulcan in the 1920s. The yard needed a new numbering system and a team set by the manager counted all the vessels which Crichton, Vulcan and their predecessors had built until then and came to the round number 700 (the number can be disputed). Therefore, the first ship built by the new company had yard number 701 and the same system is still in use by Meyer Turku; now the project numbers have reached nearly 1400 (see List of vessels built at Crichton-Vulcan and Wärtsilä Turku shipyards for more information). Interestingly, the team counted in also those vessels which were built at Crichton's and Vulcan's yards in Russia, so the Ochta-built vessels are included into those 700 ships. In this later created list the Kaiman-class submarine hulls got numbers 561–564, but as I said, these numbers were given much later and were not in use when the submarines were built.
- Note also that Crichton built just submarine hulls, so the company had just subcontracting role in the project. The customer was Lake & Co and they might have used other numbers.
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Archive 1: 2009 – 2012 |
Hello
Thanks for your note about this; I've replied at
your discussion on the WP:SHIPS talkpage.
Normally when a move is contested it gets referred to
WP:RM, but I think the discussion at WP:SHIPS would be more knowledgeable than there, and there are enough admins in the project to implement any decision made. Anyway, my regards,
Xyl 54 (
talk) 02:34, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Xyl 54 and thank you for your contribution to the discussion. I thought that it is better to have a more broad discussion about naming practice of shipyards and shipbuilding companies. There are valid arguments for both naming articles according to the yard and the operator. -- Gwafton ( talk) 19:27, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hei. I see your contributions to this article and I came to ask, if you have an access to "Aurajoen veistämöt ja telakat" book by Nils von Knorring? I need to check serial numbers of Kaiman-class submarines there, so I need your help with it. It seems there is a mistake in article for now. -- Rave ( talk) 08:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- Privyet. Yes, I do have the book. The order numbers in the article match with the information in the book. Crichton gave order numbers to all products, not only ships, and both Turku and Ochta yards shared the same numbering system. The same numbering is also applied on individual steam engines and other products. This can't be compared to the yard numbers given by the shipyards. However, there is also another numbering system in place, which was created when Crichton and Vulcan merged creating Crichton-Vulcan in the 1920s. The yard needed a new numbering system and a team set by the manager counted all the vessels which Crichton, Vulcan and their predecessors had built until then and came to the round number 700 (the number can be disputed). Therefore, the first ship built by the new company had yard number 701 and the same system is still in use by Meyer Turku; now the project numbers have reached nearly 1400 (see List of vessels built at Crichton-Vulcan and Wärtsilä Turku shipyards for more information). Interestingly, the team counted in also those vessels which were built at Crichton's and Vulcan's yards in Russia, so the Ochta-built vessels are included into those 700 ships. In this later created list the Kaiman-class submarine hulls got numbers 561–564, but as I said, these numbers were given much later and were not in use when the submarines were built.
- Note also that Crichton built just submarine hulls, so the company had just subcontracting role in the project. The customer was Lake & Co and they might have used other numbers.
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- The original file has been replaced by File:Vanaja logo.png. No reason to keep the original one. Gwafton ( talk) 12:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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