Geoffrey Edelsten Representative
I'm Dean Walters and I will be working as Geoffrey Edelsten’s Wikipedia public affairs. I'm here to contribute information and media that will improve the quality and balance of the Wikipedia Geoffrey Edelsten article.
I will endeavor to work with Wikipedia to enhance this article.
If you wish to contact me, please email me at dean@geoffedelsten.com.au, or leave a message here.
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Just repeating much of my message from the article talk page:
I have a difficulty with the image you have uploaded. It is a professionally taken photograph of Dr Edelsten. Can you please confirm that you are authorised to release it under Creative Commons? I think the best way to do that would be to have a page on Dr Edelsten's website which includes that photo (same size resolution) and it is also released there under the same Creative Commons license and then we link the image page to that page on the website. Does that sound to you a useful way forward? Thanks -- Matilda talk 04:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
You might want to read about single purpose editing. If you've come to Wikipedia to edit one and only one article, that really is not encouraged. I advise you to edit a wide variety of articles and learn more about Wikipedia. Please also read WP:COI. thanks. Michellecrisp ( talk) 04:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Are you being paid by Edelsten and directed by Edelsten to edit here? Michellecrisp ( talk) 05:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Geoffrey Edelsten, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
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Hello Mr. Walters - I'm another administrator who's had some involvement at the Geoffrey Edelsten page. I want to emphasize a few points:
As long as you abide by our core content policies (chiefly WP:V and WP:NPOV) you're welcome here. Cheers, Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 06:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
you are receiving monetary or other benefits or considerations to edit Wikipedia as a representative of an organization (whether directly as an employee or contractor of that organization, or indirectly as an employee or contractor of a firm hired by that organization for public relations purposes)...then we very strongly encourage you to avoid editing Wikipedia in areas where there is a conflict of interest that would make your edits non-neutral (biased).
Sarcasticidealist, thanks for your comments. Well it's often obvious when someone has a conflict of interest due to single purpose editing or continual censorship of articles. If you're a member of a sporting club and want to edit your club's article here that is fine. But if you're being paid to edit and "correct" here, then that creates an issue. Wikipedia would be far from balanced if it was full of individuals and companies who were being paid to edit articles... Elonka Dunin is an example of an article that User:Elonka never edits herself even though it's about her. And plus, people become better editors and learn more about the rules by editing a variety of articles. Michellecrisp ( talk) 10:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Please be assured that I aim to bring balance and quality to this article. I understand this comment is becoming repetitive so allow me to elaborate. I have looked into all other references on the Geoffrey Edelsten article; except for Edelsten website source inclusions they are all internet references, none have been sourced from printed material and none date back to the time period. This is a cause for concern, it presents a source bias and this kind of media sensationalism is the catalyst for defamation against Geoffrey Edelsten. The media has popularised myths and regurgitated copycat falsehoods - the facts exist, but alas, at this time, they are not internet sources. Popular media dominates the internet on this issue. Despite Geoffrey Edelsten successfully winning defamation action against a number of media outlets, including Matilda (the magazine) the subsequent retractions have not counteracted the subsequent propagation of (illegal founded) inaccuracy and/or lies by other copycat media. I aim to bring balance and quality to this article. References during the time period, without sensationalism, factual information, will assist an information resource as truthful as possible. The notion that conflict of interest exists is unfounded, it is not an issue of conflict - as very simply the reference inclusions speak for themselves. Because they exist, they can not be ignored. I’ve read WP:V and WP:NPOV, and understand quality reference inclusions are in close synchronisation. There is nothing to hide - as at the same time: nothing should be hidden.
Be assured that I aim to bring balance and quality to this article.
-- Gepa ( talk) 03:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
For the record, and I wonder what Dean Walters thinks: http://www.geoffreyedelsten.com/Wikipedia-Discredited-Wikipeedonya/
Edelsten constantly protests his innocence of the charges. So how offensive is the wikipeedonya article about him.
Wikipeedonya has been repeatedly discredited as a source of reliable and factual information particularly when high profile living persons are involved. Efforts to obtain factual corrections are hindered by those with prejudiced views who edit the article in order to cause harm. This is compounded by the wikipeedonya management’s failure to take appropriate corrective action and their failure to abide by their own policies which, if followed, would not permit such defamatory articles to come into being.
See the history of the Bill Gates entry.
This site, www.geoffreyedelsten.com, endeavours to put together a factual dossier which, by comparison, highlights the clearly prejudicial, inaccurate and biased entry that wikipeedonya has published.
Readers are invited to attempt legitimate correction of the wikipeedonya article (but its likely you won’t be able to – the wikipeedonya editor team is a closed shop) and to disseminate the increasingly prevalent view of wikipeedonya’s lack of honesty, reliability and impartiality. The wikipeedonya article results in an unjustified invasion of privacy, and has resulted in actual identity fraud and other misdemeanours against the target.
It is requested that readers petition wikipeedonya for the removal of the article.
Michellecrisp ( talk) 03:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
For this request that is not a basis for blocking a user. We work by consensus here, not because you don't like it we block a user for a few edits (that's unless it's blatant harassment). nor do we block people because you don't like the location of the IP. this suggests you lack neutrality on Edelsten. suggest you edit a few articles to learn more about Wikpedia. your attitude is bordering on breaching WP:COI. Michellecrisp ( talk) 05:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Geoffrey Edelsten, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for businesses. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. Thank you. Michellecrisp ( talk) 05:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
for the moment you are clearly a single purpose editor with a clear agenda to add information to defend Edelsten. You will learn more about Wikipedia by editing other articles especially WP:NPOV and style and appropriate content for inclusion. I'm assuming good faith here and hoping you will take the chance to prove that you are not merely here because someone is paying you to edit. Michellecrisp ( talk) 05:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Geoffrey Edelsten states that the Wikipedia article about him is highly defamatory, and damaging.
There are a number of defamatory and damaging statements. One in particular as followings;
He subsequently spent a year in jail for hiring an underworld figure, Christopher Dale Flannery, to assault a former patient, and for perverting the course of justice.[5][6][7]
- This media statement is greatly different than actual charges seen at http://www.geoffreyedelsten.com/the-australian-criminal-reports-1990-vol51.pdf
- The charge was in fact “soliciting” not “hiring” – the use of “hiring” is defamatory, the fact can be found in the charge as follows; http://www.geoffreyedelsten.com/the-australian-criminal-reports-1990-vol51.pdf
- The charge does not refer “a former patient” instead referred to as “another”, – the use of “a former patient” is defamatory, the fact can be found in the charge as follows; http://www.geoffreyedelsten.com/the-australian-criminal-reports-1990-vol51.pdf
- The alleged “another” as seen in the charges stood trial for the attempted extortion of Edelsten. “another” was the man who in 1984 harassed and intimidated Edelsten and his family to extort money with menaces. This other side is not covered, and by its absence presents a highly biased view. “another” was later sentenced to 3 and a 1/2 years prison for fraud of an Australian Government Agency of more than $330,000.
- Flannery was not considered an underworld figure in 1984 – the date as set out in the charges. Flannery was only considered an underworld figure in media reports (seen above) that date from 1987 onward. There is an absence of such information between 1984 and 1987. Flannery was not considered an underworld figure in 1984.
Recent attempts to correct/unbias the article have been wholly removed.
Geoffrey Edelsten states that the Wikipedia article about him is highly defamatory and damaging.-- Gepa ( talk) 06:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
The above comments also appear at Talk:Geoffrey Edelsten where I have replied. WWGB ( talk) 10:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
do you have any intention of contributing to Wikipedia besides the topic of Mr Edelsten? Are you a paid employee of him? LibStar ( talk) 23:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
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Geoffrey Edelsten Representative
I'm Dean Walters and I will be working as Geoffrey Edelsten’s Wikipedia public affairs. I'm here to contribute information and media that will improve the quality and balance of the Wikipedia Geoffrey Edelsten article.
I will endeavor to work with Wikipedia to enhance this article.
If you wish to contact me, please email me at dean@geoffedelsten.com.au, or leave a message here.
Welcome!
Hello, Gepa, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your messages on
discussion pages using four
tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out
Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}}
before the question. Again, welcome! --
Matilda
talk 07:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Just repeating much of my message from the article talk page:
I have a difficulty with the image you have uploaded. It is a professionally taken photograph of Dr Edelsten. Can you please confirm that you are authorised to release it under Creative Commons? I think the best way to do that would be to have a page on Dr Edelsten's website which includes that photo (same size resolution) and it is also released there under the same Creative Commons license and then we link the image page to that page on the website. Does that sound to you a useful way forward? Thanks -- Matilda talk 04:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
You might want to read about single purpose editing. If you've come to Wikipedia to edit one and only one article, that really is not encouraged. I advise you to edit a wide variety of articles and learn more about Wikipedia. Please also read WP:COI. thanks. Michellecrisp ( talk) 04:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Are you being paid by Edelsten and directed by Edelsten to edit here? Michellecrisp ( talk) 05:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Geoffrey Edelsten, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for businesses. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. Thank you.
Hello Mr. Walters - I'm another administrator who's had some involvement at the Geoffrey Edelsten page. I want to emphasize a few points:
As long as you abide by our core content policies (chiefly WP:V and WP:NPOV) you're welcome here. Cheers, Sarcasticidealist ( talk) 06:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
you are receiving monetary or other benefits or considerations to edit Wikipedia as a representative of an organization (whether directly as an employee or contractor of that organization, or indirectly as an employee or contractor of a firm hired by that organization for public relations purposes)...then we very strongly encourage you to avoid editing Wikipedia in areas where there is a conflict of interest that would make your edits non-neutral (biased).
Sarcasticidealist, thanks for your comments. Well it's often obvious when someone has a conflict of interest due to single purpose editing or continual censorship of articles. If you're a member of a sporting club and want to edit your club's article here that is fine. But if you're being paid to edit and "correct" here, then that creates an issue. Wikipedia would be far from balanced if it was full of individuals and companies who were being paid to edit articles... Elonka Dunin is an example of an article that User:Elonka never edits herself even though it's about her. And plus, people become better editors and learn more about the rules by editing a variety of articles. Michellecrisp ( talk) 10:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Please be assured that I aim to bring balance and quality to this article. I understand this comment is becoming repetitive so allow me to elaborate. I have looked into all other references on the Geoffrey Edelsten article; except for Edelsten website source inclusions they are all internet references, none have been sourced from printed material and none date back to the time period. This is a cause for concern, it presents a source bias and this kind of media sensationalism is the catalyst for defamation against Geoffrey Edelsten. The media has popularised myths and regurgitated copycat falsehoods - the facts exist, but alas, at this time, they are not internet sources. Popular media dominates the internet on this issue. Despite Geoffrey Edelsten successfully winning defamation action against a number of media outlets, including Matilda (the magazine) the subsequent retractions have not counteracted the subsequent propagation of (illegal founded) inaccuracy and/or lies by other copycat media. I aim to bring balance and quality to this article. References during the time period, without sensationalism, factual information, will assist an information resource as truthful as possible. The notion that conflict of interest exists is unfounded, it is not an issue of conflict - as very simply the reference inclusions speak for themselves. Because they exist, they can not be ignored. I’ve read WP:V and WP:NPOV, and understand quality reference inclusions are in close synchronisation. There is nothing to hide - as at the same time: nothing should be hidden.
Be assured that I aim to bring balance and quality to this article.
-- Gepa ( talk) 03:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
For the record, and I wonder what Dean Walters thinks: http://www.geoffreyedelsten.com/Wikipedia-Discredited-Wikipeedonya/
Edelsten constantly protests his innocence of the charges. So how offensive is the wikipeedonya article about him.
Wikipeedonya has been repeatedly discredited as a source of reliable and factual information particularly when high profile living persons are involved. Efforts to obtain factual corrections are hindered by those with prejudiced views who edit the article in order to cause harm. This is compounded by the wikipeedonya management’s failure to take appropriate corrective action and their failure to abide by their own policies which, if followed, would not permit such defamatory articles to come into being.
See the history of the Bill Gates entry.
This site, www.geoffreyedelsten.com, endeavours to put together a factual dossier which, by comparison, highlights the clearly prejudicial, inaccurate and biased entry that wikipeedonya has published.
Readers are invited to attempt legitimate correction of the wikipeedonya article (but its likely you won’t be able to – the wikipeedonya editor team is a closed shop) and to disseminate the increasingly prevalent view of wikipeedonya’s lack of honesty, reliability and impartiality. The wikipeedonya article results in an unjustified invasion of privacy, and has resulted in actual identity fraud and other misdemeanours against the target.
It is requested that readers petition wikipeedonya for the removal of the article.
Michellecrisp ( talk) 03:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
For this request that is not a basis for blocking a user. We work by consensus here, not because you don't like it we block a user for a few edits (that's unless it's blatant harassment). nor do we block people because you don't like the location of the IP. this suggests you lack neutrality on Edelsten. suggest you edit a few articles to learn more about Wikpedia. your attitude is bordering on breaching WP:COI. Michellecrisp ( talk) 05:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Geoffrey Edelsten, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for businesses. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. Thank you. Michellecrisp ( talk) 05:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
for the moment you are clearly a single purpose editor with a clear agenda to add information to defend Edelsten. You will learn more about Wikipedia by editing other articles especially WP:NPOV and style and appropriate content for inclusion. I'm assuming good faith here and hoping you will take the chance to prove that you are not merely here because someone is paying you to edit. Michellecrisp ( talk) 05:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Geoffrey Edelsten states that the Wikipedia article about him is highly defamatory, and damaging.
There are a number of defamatory and damaging statements. One in particular as followings;
He subsequently spent a year in jail for hiring an underworld figure, Christopher Dale Flannery, to assault a former patient, and for perverting the course of justice.[5][6][7]
- This media statement is greatly different than actual charges seen at http://www.geoffreyedelsten.com/the-australian-criminal-reports-1990-vol51.pdf
- The charge was in fact “soliciting” not “hiring” – the use of “hiring” is defamatory, the fact can be found in the charge as follows; http://www.geoffreyedelsten.com/the-australian-criminal-reports-1990-vol51.pdf
- The charge does not refer “a former patient” instead referred to as “another”, – the use of “a former patient” is defamatory, the fact can be found in the charge as follows; http://www.geoffreyedelsten.com/the-australian-criminal-reports-1990-vol51.pdf
- The alleged “another” as seen in the charges stood trial for the attempted extortion of Edelsten. “another” was the man who in 1984 harassed and intimidated Edelsten and his family to extort money with menaces. This other side is not covered, and by its absence presents a highly biased view. “another” was later sentenced to 3 and a 1/2 years prison for fraud of an Australian Government Agency of more than $330,000.
- Flannery was not considered an underworld figure in 1984 – the date as set out in the charges. Flannery was only considered an underworld figure in media reports (seen above) that date from 1987 onward. There is an absence of such information between 1984 and 1987. Flannery was not considered an underworld figure in 1984.
Recent attempts to correct/unbias the article have been wholly removed.
Geoffrey Edelsten states that the Wikipedia article about him is highly defamatory and damaging.-- Gepa ( talk) 06:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
The above comments also appear at Talk:Geoffrey Edelsten where I have replied. WWGB ( talk) 10:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
do you have any intention of contributing to Wikipedia besides the topic of Mr Edelsten? Are you a paid employee of him? LibStar ( talk) 23:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Your recent edits could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. LibStar ( talk) 00:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading File:Geoffrey Edelsten.jpg. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file has agreed to release it under the given license.
If you are the copyright holder for this media entirely yourself but have previously published it elsewhere (especially online), please either
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