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Johnson, Stan, and Polly Johnson. "Translating the Anthon Transcript"

Please don't add this again. The FARMS review [1] trashes the book as inaccurate and making the false claim that Nibley endorsed it, we should definitely not use it for anything. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 13:02, 24 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Horses

I'm guessing that you haven't actually read these sources, right? You need to read the sources yourself. We also have a policy called WP:Undue you need to read, as well as WP:REDFLAG. And I guess WP:FRINGE might help. Doug Weller talk 09:18, 25 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Considering this is Geneva11's first edit, I think it would be only fair to tone it down a little Doug. The discouraging and bold tone of your last 3 comments might be interpreted by a new Wikipedian as unwelcoming.
Geneva11, I would recommend editing non-religious articles for a while and getting a feel for how Wikipedia works. Don't let a few edit reverts discourage you from continued contribution. Dig Deeper ( talk) 01:09, 31 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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Agave in Europe in 4th century BCE

Please see Talk:Agave#Agave in Europe in 4th century BCE. Peter coxhead ( talk) 06:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC) reply

Please don't add self-published sources

You did this at Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories - anything published by iUniverse should not be used. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 07:38, 29 August 2019 (UTC) reply

Hillebrand, William "Adenostemma viscosum"

I need to see a quote from Hillebrand backing your claim that he thought it was an American species, as so far as I can see that's completely false. It's wrong in any case. Please show your source if you wish to continue editing as we can't have editors making up claims. Hopefully you'll have it to hand. Doug Weller talk 18:14, 29 August 2019 (UTC) Doug, If you would like, I can scan the page from the hard copy book, but it is available on the web at https://archive.org/details/mobot31753003034128/page/192. If your question is whether Adenostemma viscosum is an American species it is right on Wikipedia at https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenostemma_lavenia. Adenostemma lavenia is a synonym for Adenostemma viscosum https://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=38718&print_version=PRT&source=to_print#null reply

Please see my post at WP:FTN. Hillebrand clearly says on the page you linked to that "The species is widely spread over the Americas, Polynesia, N. Australia, Asia, and Africa.” He makes no claim it is only found in America, and you can see in my FTN post and the edit I made tonight before I deleted it all that it is widespread and spread by birds. Doug Weller talk 20:48, 29 August 2019 (UTC) reply
Yes, the point is that the plant is native to the Americas (as stated also in Wikipedia), so (ignoring for the moment the bird argument) in order to arrive in Hawaii (or any of those other places Hillebrand mentions) prior to European contact, there would need to have been contact with the Americas. So it is not a fringe theory as it is substantiated by fairly solid biological identification in Hawaii prior to European contact. That particular Wiki page has as it's specific title that all material there are theories. On the bird distribution, I did not run across that article when I did a cite and topic search on the scientific databases I use, so it was definitely a good catch by you and should rightly be cited as a possible alternate explanation for the dispersion of that species. Geneva11 ( talk) 21:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC) reply
We don't have an article that says it's native to the Americas? The Spanish article you link to says that lavinia originates in America, but the link you put on my talk page [2] clearly states "Jurisdiction/Origin: Hawaii, Native". I don't understand why you are sending me a reliable source that contradicts the Spanish Wikipedia article. This [3] clearly shows viscosum as introduced to - well, not the Americas, a small part of Central America.
Worse, you made it appear that Hillebrand said it was native to the Americas. I've wasted a lot of time on this and you still have only shown me a useless Wikipedia article and an website that says it's native to Hawaiil. Please ping me when you reply or better yet reply at WP:FTN. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 08:25, 30 August 2019 (UTC) reply
I'm also wondering why you chose es.wiki, as de.wiki [4] says "The size of the species Adenostemma lavenia is handled differently: while the "Flora of China" emanates from a widespread in Southeast Asia, other authors designate only the plants occurring in Sri Lanka as Adenostemma lavenia and separate the remaining Southeast Asia the species Adenostemma tinctorium and adenostemma viscosum from." I'll also point out that both horse and camel are native to North America, although neither was there in the Holocene. Doug Weller talk 08:57, 30 August 2019 (UTC) reply

FRINGE concepts

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You've used a website which is run by someone who has a small home business. Not a reliable source at all. The other scientific source doesn't seem to say anything about windows, so this was WP:Synthesis and also not allowed. Doug Weller talk 17:46, 31 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Another one

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Johnson, Stan, and Polly Johnson. "Translating the Anthon Transcript"

Please don't add this again. The FARMS review [1] trashes the book as inaccurate and making the false claim that Nibley endorsed it, we should definitely not use it for anything. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 13:02, 24 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Horses

I'm guessing that you haven't actually read these sources, right? You need to read the sources yourself. We also have a policy called WP:Undue you need to read, as well as WP:REDFLAG. And I guess WP:FRINGE might help. Doug Weller talk 09:18, 25 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Considering this is Geneva11's first edit, I think it would be only fair to tone it down a little Doug. The discouraging and bold tone of your last 3 comments might be interpreted by a new Wikipedian as unwelcoming.
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Agave in Europe in 4th century BCE

Please see Talk:Agave#Agave in Europe in 4th century BCE. Peter coxhead ( talk) 06:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC) reply

Please don't add self-published sources

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Hillebrand, William "Adenostemma viscosum"

I need to see a quote from Hillebrand backing your claim that he thought it was an American species, as so far as I can see that's completely false. It's wrong in any case. Please show your source if you wish to continue editing as we can't have editors making up claims. Hopefully you'll have it to hand. Doug Weller talk 18:14, 29 August 2019 (UTC) Doug, If you would like, I can scan the page from the hard copy book, but it is available on the web at https://archive.org/details/mobot31753003034128/page/192. If your question is whether Adenostemma viscosum is an American species it is right on Wikipedia at https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenostemma_lavenia. Adenostemma lavenia is a synonym for Adenostemma viscosum https://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=38718&print_version=PRT&source=to_print#null reply

Please see my post at WP:FTN. Hillebrand clearly says on the page you linked to that "The species is widely spread over the Americas, Polynesia, N. Australia, Asia, and Africa.” He makes no claim it is only found in America, and you can see in my FTN post and the edit I made tonight before I deleted it all that it is widespread and spread by birds. Doug Weller talk 20:48, 29 August 2019 (UTC) reply
Yes, the point is that the plant is native to the Americas (as stated also in Wikipedia), so (ignoring for the moment the bird argument) in order to arrive in Hawaii (or any of those other places Hillebrand mentions) prior to European contact, there would need to have been contact with the Americas. So it is not a fringe theory as it is substantiated by fairly solid biological identification in Hawaii prior to European contact. That particular Wiki page has as it's specific title that all material there are theories. On the bird distribution, I did not run across that article when I did a cite and topic search on the scientific databases I use, so it was definitely a good catch by you and should rightly be cited as a possible alternate explanation for the dispersion of that species. Geneva11 ( talk) 21:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC) reply
We don't have an article that says it's native to the Americas? The Spanish article you link to says that lavinia originates in America, but the link you put on my talk page [2] clearly states "Jurisdiction/Origin: Hawaii, Native". I don't understand why you are sending me a reliable source that contradicts the Spanish Wikipedia article. This [3] clearly shows viscosum as introduced to - well, not the Americas, a small part of Central America.
Worse, you made it appear that Hillebrand said it was native to the Americas. I've wasted a lot of time on this and you still have only shown me a useless Wikipedia article and an website that says it's native to Hawaiil. Please ping me when you reply or better yet reply at WP:FTN. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 08:25, 30 August 2019 (UTC) reply
I'm also wondering why you chose es.wiki, as de.wiki [4] says "The size of the species Adenostemma lavenia is handled differently: while the "Flora of China" emanates from a widespread in Southeast Asia, other authors designate only the plants occurring in Sri Lanka as Adenostemma lavenia and separate the remaining Southeast Asia the species Adenostemma tinctorium and adenostemma viscosum from." I'll also point out that both horse and camel are native to North America, although neither was there in the Holocene. Doug Weller talk 08:57, 30 August 2019 (UTC) reply

FRINGE concepts

Could you read over WP:FRINGE.-- Moxy 🍁 20:41, 29 August 2019 (UTC) reply

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You've used a website which is run by someone who has a small home business. Not a reliable source at all. The other scientific source doesn't seem to say anything about windows, so this was WP:Synthesis and also not allowed. Doug Weller talk 17:46, 31 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Another one

You didn't even bother to source your edit about horses, mentioning an old journal in your edit summary. You don't even mention an article, let alone details. What do you know about it that makes you think it's a reliable source to use to contradict the other sources? Doug Weller talk 19:37, 31 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Please don't use Jerry D. Grover as a source

As User:FyzixFighter said, he's self-published. Worse, he has no expertise in linguistics, he's a civil engineer and geologist. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 13:57, 24 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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