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I think dividing it into K9 Thunder & parts doesn't make sense. Every single K9 thunder was converted and adopted some localized systems. It is just a matter of percentage. I recommend use one color, and write description as "Map of operators of K9 Thunder or its variants". Other way is to include K10 and K11 with different color as well. (K9 operator), (K9 & K10), (K9 & K10 & K11). Kadrun ( talk) 03:17, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
K9: Turkey, Poland, Findland, India, Estonia K9 & K10: Korea, Australia, Norway K9, K10, K11: Egypt Kadrun ( talk) 18:17, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
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It will be very hard to explain what Black Panther is unless K1 article is completed since two shares a lot of technologies. Kadrun ( talk) 18:22, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
I believe you are right about the penetrations, I'm just pasting sources here anyway haha. Has the military ever released their sample displays as usual they did with K276? Kadrun ( talk) 18:48, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Here it says in 1980 NATO tests, M1 with 105 mm DU ammunition showed better performance than German Leopard 2 120 mm ammunition ( https://koreascience.kr/article/JAKO198141548524455.pdf)
This may have to do with K280? ( https://n.news.naver.com/mnews/article/001/0001137312?sid=100) ( https://www.khan.co.kr/national/national-general/article/200511011807331) Kadrun ( talk) 07:49, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I will start jump in K2 Black Panther editing. I was searching news for K1, but as it reaches mid 2000s, I also see K2 related news in same time. I don't want to do work twice haha. Kadrun ( talk) 23:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I took some rest. BTW, the SAP means Special Armor Package. Americans named it that way and I do not know the reason. Meanwhile KSAP is Korean Special Armor Plate. Kadrun ( talk) 09:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Regarding the K2 Black Panther Engine -> South Korea never planned using its own engine. Korea started the engine program only after the T-155 Firtina deal that showed possibility of veto from Germany regarding K2 exports. Engine development started years after K2 program began, thus years of delay was already expected by the developers. Regarding the acceleration difference, it actually is 2 meters difference from reaching 0 to 100 meters compared to German design. Kadrun ( talk) 16:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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제가 영어 위키백과 List of military special forces units 문서에 대한민국 특수부대 관련 잘못된 정보를 수정을 하다가 외국인 유저와 한달 넘게 토론을 하면서 분쟁을 겪고 있습니다.( 토론창 참고)
분쟁이 생긴 이유는 다음과 같은데 Gasiseda님이 영어 위키백과 유저 소개문에 쓰신 내용과 일맥상통합니다.
2016년 3월에 '스파르탄 3000'이라는 별칭의 신속기동부대가 대한민국 해병대에 편성된다는 보도자료가 배포된 적이 있었습니다.
그러나 실제로는 2016년 5월에 기사처럼 공식명칭 '해군·해병대 신속기동부대', 상징명칭 '제승부대' (制勝部隊)로 출정식을 거행하며 임무를 시작했고 '스파르탄 3000'은 해병대에서 실제로 사용하지도 않은 그러니까 2016년 3월 언론기사에만 등장한 명칭입니다.
그런데 텔레그래프 등 영어권 신문사에서 대한민국 해병대에서 "스파르탄 3000"이라는 특수부대를 창설했다 이런 내용으로 오보를 발행했고 그 후 2016년 5월 신속기동부대 '제승부대'라는 별칭으로 출범한 사실은 외국 언론사에서 보도하지를 않고 2017년까지 대한민국 해병대에서 "스파르탄 3000"이라는 특수부대를 운영한다는 식의 오보를 계속 전파하여 관련 영어권 오보 기사가 총 4개가 있습니다.
그런데 외국인 유저는 텔레그래프 등 Reliable Source에서 특수부대라고 보도했으니 무조건 특수부대가 맞다면서 한국 언론사 기사들을 무시하면서 목록에서 "스파르탄 3000"의 삭제를 거부했습니다.
그래서 제가 해외 언론 기사가 오보라는 것을 확실하게 입증하는 방법은 대한민국 해병대의 공식 답변밖에 없다고 생각을 하여 제가 근래 국민신문고를 통해 민원을 제기해서 답변을 받았고 공문 답변 스크린샷을 보여주었습니다.
이 정도 했으면 솔직히 스파르탄 3000이 특수부대라는 것은 잘못된 정보임을 인정을 할 줄 알았는데 공문 답변 스크린샷은 포토샵을 통해 해병대 로고를 붙여서 위조할 수 있으니 인정할 수 없다 이런 변명을 했고 같이 토론에 참여하여 저의 의견을 지지해주던 외국인 유저가 위키미디아 공용에 관리자 승인으로 올라가면 위조가 없다는 것도 증명이 되니 위키미디아 공용에 업로드를 추천했습니다.
지금 위키미디아 공용에 아래처럼 업로드를 하기는 승인을 받아야 할 것 같고 국민신문고 답변도 국민신문고의 민원 공개게시판으로 이동을 요청 중입니다.
그런데 외국인 유저가 아래처럼 말을 한 것으로 보아 위키미디아 공용에 답변 공문이 올라가고 국민신문고 답변이 공개게시판으로 이동해도 쉽사리 인정을 안 할 것 같습니다.
After you go through all the trouble of validating your response from ROKMC, and if it is accepted, that is still just a single point of primary source information. The entry is supported by four secondary sources. If you read the guideline WP:PST, you'll see that secondary sources are the preferred type of sourcing of content on WP.
영어를 잘 하시는 것 같은데 혹시 시간이 되시면 토론창 들어오셔서 참여를 부탁드리겠습니다. 꾸벅 Footwiks ( talk) 13:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
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영어 위키백과 군사 분야에 활동하다가 나중에 혹시 도움이 되실까 해서 이번 분쟁 발생 원인 공유드립니다.
등잔 밑이 어둡다고 외국인이 제시한 외국 소스들 전문 분석을 안 했는데 전문을 확인하고 나서 왜 이런 오해가 생겼는지 알게되었습니다.
결론적으로 Telegraph와 The Diplomat 기사 노출 빈도를 위해 의도적으로 과장해서 특수부대, 특수작전을 넣었거나 번역 실수를 했습니다.
어디서 많이 들었던 내용이라 생각했는데 2017년 9월에 발표한 국방부에서 김정은 참수부대 창설 이 보도자료 기반으로 뉴욕타임즈에 발행한 기사였습니다.
그리고 "해병대 신속기동부대" = "ROKMC Quick Maneuver Force"가 국문과 영문 공식명칭인데 해병대 신속기동부대를 구글 번역기가 Rapid Task Force, Rapid Maneuver Unit 이렇게 수시로 번역이 달라지니까 여기서도 혼란을 유발한 것 같습니다.
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감사합니다. Footwiks ( talk) 15:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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I think dividing it into K9 Thunder & parts doesn't make sense. Every single K9 thunder was converted and adopted some localized systems. It is just a matter of percentage. I recommend use one color, and write description as "Map of operators of K9 Thunder or its variants". Other way is to include K10 and K11 with different color as well. (K9 operator), (K9 & K10), (K9 & K10 & K11). Kadrun ( talk) 03:17, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
K9: Turkey, Poland, Findland, India, Estonia K9 & K10: Korea, Australia, Norway K9, K10, K11: Egypt Kadrun ( talk) 18:17, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
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It will be very hard to explain what Black Panther is unless K1 article is completed since two shares a lot of technologies. Kadrun ( talk) 18:22, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
I believe you are right about the penetrations, I'm just pasting sources here anyway haha. Has the military ever released their sample displays as usual they did with K276? Kadrun ( talk) 18:48, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Here it says in 1980 NATO tests, M1 with 105 mm DU ammunition showed better performance than German Leopard 2 120 mm ammunition ( https://koreascience.kr/article/JAKO198141548524455.pdf)
This may have to do with K280? ( https://n.news.naver.com/mnews/article/001/0001137312?sid=100) ( https://www.khan.co.kr/national/national-general/article/200511011807331) Kadrun ( talk) 07:49, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I will start jump in K2 Black Panther editing. I was searching news for K1, but as it reaches mid 2000s, I also see K2 related news in same time. I don't want to do work twice haha. Kadrun ( talk) 23:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I took some rest. BTW, the SAP means Special Armor Package. Americans named it that way and I do not know the reason. Meanwhile KSAP is Korean Special Armor Plate. Kadrun ( talk) 09:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Regarding the K2 Black Panther Engine -> South Korea never planned using its own engine. Korea started the engine program only after the T-155 Firtina deal that showed possibility of veto from Germany regarding K2 exports. Engine development started years after K2 program began, thus years of delay was already expected by the developers. Regarding the acceleration difference, it actually is 2 meters difference from reaching 0 to 100 meters compared to German design. Kadrun ( talk) 16:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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제가 영어 위키백과 List of military special forces units 문서에 대한민국 특수부대 관련 잘못된 정보를 수정을 하다가 외국인 유저와 한달 넘게 토론을 하면서 분쟁을 겪고 있습니다.( 토론창 참고)
분쟁이 생긴 이유는 다음과 같은데 Gasiseda님이 영어 위키백과 유저 소개문에 쓰신 내용과 일맥상통합니다.
2016년 3월에 '스파르탄 3000'이라는 별칭의 신속기동부대가 대한민국 해병대에 편성된다는 보도자료가 배포된 적이 있었습니다.
그러나 실제로는 2016년 5월에 기사처럼 공식명칭 '해군·해병대 신속기동부대', 상징명칭 '제승부대' (制勝部隊)로 출정식을 거행하며 임무를 시작했고 '스파르탄 3000'은 해병대에서 실제로 사용하지도 않은 그러니까 2016년 3월 언론기사에만 등장한 명칭입니다.
그런데 텔레그래프 등 영어권 신문사에서 대한민국 해병대에서 "스파르탄 3000"이라는 특수부대를 창설했다 이런 내용으로 오보를 발행했고 그 후 2016년 5월 신속기동부대 '제승부대'라는 별칭으로 출범한 사실은 외국 언론사에서 보도하지를 않고 2017년까지 대한민국 해병대에서 "스파르탄 3000"이라는 특수부대를 운영한다는 식의 오보를 계속 전파하여 관련 영어권 오보 기사가 총 4개가 있습니다.
그런데 외국인 유저는 텔레그래프 등 Reliable Source에서 특수부대라고 보도했으니 무조건 특수부대가 맞다면서 한국 언론사 기사들을 무시하면서 목록에서 "스파르탄 3000"의 삭제를 거부했습니다.
그래서 제가 해외 언론 기사가 오보라는 것을 확실하게 입증하는 방법은 대한민국 해병대의 공식 답변밖에 없다고 생각을 하여 제가 근래 국민신문고를 통해 민원을 제기해서 답변을 받았고 공문 답변 스크린샷을 보여주었습니다.
이 정도 했으면 솔직히 스파르탄 3000이 특수부대라는 것은 잘못된 정보임을 인정을 할 줄 알았는데 공문 답변 스크린샷은 포토샵을 통해 해병대 로고를 붙여서 위조할 수 있으니 인정할 수 없다 이런 변명을 했고 같이 토론에 참여하여 저의 의견을 지지해주던 외국인 유저가 위키미디아 공용에 관리자 승인으로 올라가면 위조가 없다는 것도 증명이 되니 위키미디아 공용에 업로드를 추천했습니다.
지금 위키미디아 공용에 아래처럼 업로드를 하기는 승인을 받아야 할 것 같고 국민신문고 답변도 국민신문고의 민원 공개게시판으로 이동을 요청 중입니다.
그런데 외국인 유저가 아래처럼 말을 한 것으로 보아 위키미디아 공용에 답변 공문이 올라가고 국민신문고 답변이 공개게시판으로 이동해도 쉽사리 인정을 안 할 것 같습니다.
After you go through all the trouble of validating your response from ROKMC, and if it is accepted, that is still just a single point of primary source information. The entry is supported by four secondary sources. If you read the guideline WP:PST, you'll see that secondary sources are the preferred type of sourcing of content on WP.
영어를 잘 하시는 것 같은데 혹시 시간이 되시면 토론창 들어오셔서 참여를 부탁드리겠습니다. 꾸벅 Footwiks ( talk) 13:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Footwiks ( talk) 13:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
영어 위키백과 군사 분야에 활동하다가 나중에 혹시 도움이 되실까 해서 이번 분쟁 발생 원인 공유드립니다.
등잔 밑이 어둡다고 외국인이 제시한 외국 소스들 전문 분석을 안 했는데 전문을 확인하고 나서 왜 이런 오해가 생겼는지 알게되었습니다.
결론적으로 Telegraph와 The Diplomat 기사 노출 빈도를 위해 의도적으로 과장해서 특수부대, 특수작전을 넣었거나 번역 실수를 했습니다.
어디서 많이 들었던 내용이라 생각했는데 2017년 9월에 발표한 국방부에서 김정은 참수부대 창설 이 보도자료 기반으로 뉴욕타임즈에 발행한 기사였습니다.
그리고 "해병대 신속기동부대" = "ROKMC Quick Maneuver Force"가 국문과 영문 공식명칭인데 해병대 신속기동부대를 구글 번역기가 Rapid Task Force, Rapid Maneuver Unit 이렇게 수시로 번역이 달라지니까 여기서도 혼란을 유발한 것 같습니다.
Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard로 갔다가 Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard 여기로 이동을 해서 다시 토론을 거칠 것 같은데 시간나시면 Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard 여기에 케이스 열리면 의견 남겨주시기 바랍니다.
감사합니다. Footwiks ( talk) 15:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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M80 helmet -> Bangtan Helmet. Kia KM450 -> K311 cargo truck If you want to fortify or add some pictures please do so. Kadrun ( talk) 10:34, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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