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Please remember to
assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on
Epirus. Don't use edit summaries to attack other editors especially when you level the atrocious allegation of denialism. Putting allegations as atrocious as denialism on edit summaries where people cannot reply to you is very bad editing ethics which reflect very badly on your ability to work collaboratively on a collaborative project such as Wikipedia. Don't do this again.
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[3] and
[4] due to the ignored issue I have presented. Why do you say I attacked the other editors? I am sorry if the word denialism is giving that perception and I would take it back from the first edit. My point is denial, as I have written on the 2nd edit and concurs with this definition
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- Hello Empathictrust and thank you for your reply. I understand your points. Based on your response, I will not challenge your argumentsI other than to say that the term "denial" may be ok, but, as you know, "denialism" has very negative connotations. As you know, any "-ism" suffixes elevate the original word to a new level. Also using edit-summaries to direct such loaded terms against other editors is not good practice, because, as I'm sure you know, edit-summaries are not designed for replies and counter-arguments. But I believe that you understand these points, so there is no longer an issue. Best regards.
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- Thank you for your constructive advise Dr.K.! Yesterday I actually read about denialism and understood its connotation. Your points are well-appreciated! Hope you stay safe in this difficult time and best regards to you, too! Empathictrust ( talk) 22:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Empathictrust and thank you for your reply. I understand your points. Based on your response, I will not challenge your argumentsI other than to say that the term "denial" may be ok, but, as you know, "denialism" has very negative connotations. As you know, any "-ism" suffixes elevate the original word to a new level. Also using edit-summaries to direct such loaded terms against other editors is not good practice, because, as I'm sure you know, edit-summaries are not designed for replies and counter-arguments. But I believe that you understand these points, so there is no longer an issue. Best regards.
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Hi EmpathicTrust. Saw your edits on Epirus. Giakoumis is one thing. Here are some other sources you may be interested in.
BK McIlvaine, a significant researcher in the area [6], notes genetic evidence among other factors suggesting the majority of the colony of Apollonia's populace was of Illyrian provenance [7]. She also notes that in contrary to nationalistic portrayals (on either side, Greece/Albania) of colonial exploitation, the policy in Apollonia was liberal and aimed at supporting the city's growing population. If you can get access to the whole book, she discusses Greek/Illyrian symbiosis. Her skeletal analysis and etc of the colony is also published in this 2014 peer-reviewed paper in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology now cited 31 times, and again supports the substantial presence of Illyrians in Apollonia, as well as a discussion of the nature of their interaction, and Greek-Illyrian intermarriage [8].
Meanwhile, we can also point to the great work being done in Ancient Greek dialectology, in which we now see Panagiotis Filos discussing Epirus as a Doric-speaking region that was not monoethnic but instead a zone of language contact with Illyrian in this larger (and great) book edited by Giannakis from Walter de Gruyter, a leading publishing company for linguistics books.
Happy editing! -- Calthinus ( talk) 21:17, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for providing all this valuable works User:Calthinus! 8 years ago, in 2012, when I was more active editing here, I ran into another work about the Lofkënd tumuli, but didn't read such results that McIlvaine points out. I see this is also a little later. Very interesting the work of Panagiotis Filos, which I was briefly reading from the link you provided. Looks a serious scholar contribution that can further enrich some articles here on Wikipedia. Feel free to contribute also if you have further knowledge. Thanks again for your message and the rich intellectual material!
Wish you stay safe and get by well in this difficult time. Kind regards, Empathictrust ( talk) 22:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please remember to
assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on
Epirus. Don't use edit summaries to attack other editors especially when you level the atrocious allegation of denialism. Putting allegations as atrocious as denialism on edit summaries where people cannot reply to you is very bad editing ethics which reflect very badly on your ability to work collaboratively on a collaborative project such as Wikipedia. Don't do this again.
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[3] and
[4] due to the ignored issue I have presented. Why do you say I attacked the other editors? I am sorry if the word denialism is giving that perception and I would take it back from the first edit. My point is denial, as I have written on the 2nd edit and concurs with this definition
[5]. Thank you for the notice and let me know if you think otherwise!
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- Hello Empathictrust and thank you for your reply. I understand your points. Based on your response, I will not challenge your argumentsI other than to say that the term "denial" may be ok, but, as you know, "denialism" has very negative connotations. As you know, any "-ism" suffixes elevate the original word to a new level. Also using edit-summaries to direct such loaded terms against other editors is not good practice, because, as I'm sure you know, edit-summaries are not designed for replies and counter-arguments. But I believe that you understand these points, so there is no longer an issue. Best regards.
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- Thank you for your constructive advise Dr.K.! Yesterday I actually read about denialism and understood its connotation. Your points are well-appreciated! Hope you stay safe in this difficult time and best regards to you, too! Empathictrust ( talk) 22:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Empathictrust and thank you for your reply. I understand your points. Based on your response, I will not challenge your argumentsI other than to say that the term "denial" may be ok, but, as you know, "denialism" has very negative connotations. As you know, any "-ism" suffixes elevate the original word to a new level. Also using edit-summaries to direct such loaded terms against other editors is not good practice, because, as I'm sure you know, edit-summaries are not designed for replies and counter-arguments. But I believe that you understand these points, so there is no longer an issue. Best regards.
Dr.
K. 17:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi EmpathicTrust. Saw your edits on Epirus. Giakoumis is one thing. Here are some other sources you may be interested in.
BK McIlvaine, a significant researcher in the area [6], notes genetic evidence among other factors suggesting the majority of the colony of Apollonia's populace was of Illyrian provenance [7]. She also notes that in contrary to nationalistic portrayals (on either side, Greece/Albania) of colonial exploitation, the policy in Apollonia was liberal and aimed at supporting the city's growing population. If you can get access to the whole book, she discusses Greek/Illyrian symbiosis. Her skeletal analysis and etc of the colony is also published in this 2014 peer-reviewed paper in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology now cited 31 times, and again supports the substantial presence of Illyrians in Apollonia, as well as a discussion of the nature of their interaction, and Greek-Illyrian intermarriage [8].
Meanwhile, we can also point to the great work being done in Ancient Greek dialectology, in which we now see Panagiotis Filos discussing Epirus as a Doric-speaking region that was not monoethnic but instead a zone of language contact with Illyrian in this larger (and great) book edited by Giannakis from Walter de Gruyter, a leading publishing company for linguistics books.
Happy editing! -- Calthinus ( talk) 21:17, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for providing all this valuable works User:Calthinus! 8 years ago, in 2012, when I was more active editing here, I ran into another work about the Lofkënd tumuli, but didn't read such results that McIlvaine points out. I see this is also a little later. Very interesting the work of Panagiotis Filos, which I was briefly reading from the link you provided. Looks a serious scholar contribution that can further enrich some articles here on Wikipedia. Feel free to contribute also if you have further knowledge. Thanks again for your message and the rich intellectual material!
Wish you stay safe and get by well in this difficult time. Kind regards, Empathictrust ( talk) 22:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
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- I couldn't write earlier but thank you for your review User:DGG! I believe this article can be improved to meet the WP standards you have pointed out, so I will work on correcting the noted issues. Kind regards, Empathictrust ( talk) 22:06, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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