Hi, and nice to see a new member of the taxation wikiproject. Is there anything in particular you're planning to work on? Any articles that made your fingers itch to correct when you saw them? (that's what got me started here!) Winklethorpe ( talk) 21:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I will get to have a look at your peer review request in the next few days - I'm a bit bogged down at the moment. Anyway, having some time to deal with the first set of comments may be beneficial. Winklethorpe ( talk) 10:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Review added. Hopefully it won't seem like I'm pulling your article to bits - all comments intended constructively. I find long lists of critical points rather daunting, myself (check out my roasting at
Wikipedia:Featured article review/United Kingdom corporation tax if you want a laugh). I'll happily revisit the article after you've had a chance to work on it. All in all, it's a good piece of work.
Winklethorpe (
talk) 22:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- That's fine. I'm afraid you chose the wrong time to visit London - the UK's been wet and miserable the last week!
Winklethorpe (
talk) 06:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, congrats on graduation.
J.Winklethorpe
talk 08:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- If I'd known you were going to St Albans, I'd have recommended the Lower Red Lion - best beer in the area :) J.Winklethorpe talk 06:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, congrats on graduation.
J.Winklethorpe
talk 08:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's fine. I'm afraid you chose the wrong time to visit London - the UK's been wet and miserable the last week!
Winklethorpe (
talk) 06:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I've started cleaning up the article, but need some help. Keep an eye on it and watch out for the users that just revert everything. CarlosRodriguez
Thanks for taking this on. I took a first crack at it a year ago, and I'm glad you're cleaning up some of the stuff I forgot from 10 years ago. Boundlessly 20:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Would you agree to move the article " Foundation(charity)" to just "Foundation" ? I made some comments in the article's talk page. Dao ken 10:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Separately from preceding: You are on a roll. Go with it. It is great for WP to get the benefit of the concentrated attention of someone knowledgable in an area to clean up multi-article problems (overlap, contradiction, etc.). Lesser lights can fill in gaps, polish, criticize (and, yes, mess up), and protect. Thanks again. DCDuring 18:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
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Good day. Gladly invite you to join WP:ORGZ. You may also find that your skills will be very welcome at WP:TIMETRACE and WP:UPDATE which will not take up time, just to have a couple of templates handy. Have a nice day Dao ken 10:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I noticed you started an article on this Act. I added the statutory references. I have a casebook with a few articles on this law, and I will try to add some info to the article when I have time. -- Eastlaw ( talk) 12:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
A well reasoned article assessment is *good*. What you have given is little better than your own opinion, and you are sparse with that. I assess your article assessment as very poor. See this but also the WP policy on assessments. Doubtless you know where to find it? Paul Beardsell ( talk) 00:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
You really don't get it! It matters very little what I think. Just as your article assessment should not be a purely *subjective* one (which is what it is without supportive argument & reasoning), neither should you give way because of *my* passion over the issue, but because you recognise I am, perhaps on this occasion only, right! What is important is that you follow WP policy. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 01:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- For WP Policy, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ. EECavazos ( talk) 01:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for all the work that you do on the tax law related articles. I see your signature everywhere. Famspear ( talk) 04:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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talk:Taxing and Spending Clause They want to move it under General Welfare Clause. Also, since I kind of re-wrote it around New Year's I've been hoping to the article reviewed and get it re-graded under the wiki-tax project... Foofighter20x ( talk) 03:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- I think this editor has decided to pursue endeavors outside Wikipedia. [1] -- Foggy Morning ( talk) 04:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind a little help if you have time. :-) The FairTax article (FA) was listed on the main page, so it received its share of comments this week. I don't know what your position is on tax reform nor do I care if you support or oppose such a bill. I've always found you to provide good discussion and you know taxation the wikipedia policies pretty well, which is what we may need there with many new users making comments (we get the extremes). I'll warn you that it is a controversial subject, so like many of our tax protester articles, it could get a little heated. Thanks Morphh (talk) 16:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
You added the entry about the anchor baby slur to WP:WikiProject Law, but the legal concept is covered in the family reunification entry. I suggest the resources of Wikiproject are better focused on the latter. Terjen ( talk) 05:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
You wouldn't happen to be Ed Cavazos from EFF-Austin, back in the day, would you?
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Law#WP:LAW_assessment_scheme - you may comment if you wish. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 00:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
- The productive contributions you've made do include fixing those links from India to law articles, and certain tweaks you've made to the language in certain parts of the dept. page - those changes are appreciated. However, some of your changes have been significantly controversial which is on the other hand, not impressive, and these have been reverted.
- By controversial, you mean improving the assessment department and reopening it and making it available to WP Law participants. What is controversial is that an editor who is not a participant of WP Law removed the assessment department from WP Law project page and the WP Law participants and then spent several months squatting it. EECavazos ( talk) 20:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- The cycle was bold, revert discuss - it appears that you are the only user who has assessed articles under the C-class banner, but you have been reverted. Please cease trying to impose Editorial Team 1.0's scheme on WikiProject Law - there is no consensus (and consensus is not based on the number of editors who have responded).
- It appears I am the only editor and WP Law participant who assesses articles you are neither a WP Law participant nor a person who assesses articles beyond reverts. Further 1.0 scheme has the C class as a default opt-in and a concensus opt-out. You are the only editor who wants an opt-out, there is no consensus and you need the concensus. EECavazos ( talk) 20:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- The reason I have (until now) not opened the C-class discussion was due to the fact it has not been adopted by this project, but should the project feel that our current system cannot function without C-class, then we won't need to reinsert it into the law template. You feel that it cannot, so I opened the discussion and decided to inform you. We have not adopted the class to date.
Ncmvocalist (
talk) 11:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Again, the WP policy is default opt-in, consensus opt-out. You are using the royal we. We means you, a person who is the only one opposed to the C class and who has not listed themselves as a participant of WP Law and yet who has removed the links to the assessment department thereby preventing actual WP Law participants from seeing the assessment department.
EECavazos (
talk) 20:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- What on earth are you talking about? You're simply being disruptive. If you want a change, there needs to be a consensus for it - the editorial team does not have authority over this WikiProject, sorry! Ncmvocalist ( talk) 05:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- Again, the WP policy is default opt-in, consensus opt-out. You are using the royal we. We means you, a person who is the only one opposed to the C class and who has not listed themselves as a participant of WP Law and yet who has removed the links to the assessment department thereby preventing actual WP Law participants from seeing the assessment department.
EECavazos (
talk) 20:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
These comments do not belong on my talk page, they belong here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Law/Assessment
WP:LAW assessment issues
I am sorry to hear about the problems you are having with regards to the article assessments. I don't know this other editor or why he is behaving this way, so there isn't much I can do personally to help you. You may need to use some sort of formal dispute resolution process, but before you attempt that, you should speak to one of the administrators on the project ( User:Bearian, User:BD2412, User:Chaser and User:Postdlf are all administrators).
I wish I could help you, but I don't have any real power around here, and I don't know enough about the changes to the assessment system to be of much use to you. -- Eastlaw ( talk) 20:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hi EE - I got your message. Thank you for keeping the discussion alive; I was unaware of subsequent developments. I will be happy to continue to participate. Thank you for notifying me. Non Curat Lex ( talk) 22:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hi again, EE. This is important, please make sure to stay within the editing policies of wikipedia. Do not revert. Do not edit war. The ONLY way to win an edit war is NEVER to participate in one. Relax and remember that no matter how much someone you disagree with seems to pollute wikipedia, EVERYTHING is saved, and there is no irreperable damage; everything can be fixed - except if you break the rules and lose the right to edit. Follow my advice and STRICTLY abstain from edit warring. Non Curat Lex ( talk) 07:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- OK, so, EE, I'm looking at the history of the page, and it looks like you and NMVocalist are both trying to make a lot of improvements. Unfortunately, you have some different ideas about things and your edits are coming to into conflict with his. I haven't figured out what all of them are yet, because the edit history is a little lengthy, but I'd like to try and help, informally, if I can. I don't think it's my job to take sides, or make decisions. I just want to help both of you. Maybe if we can find some common ground, we can all work together to improve the article. Does this sound like something you would like to help me with? If so, write to my talk page to let me know, and we can get started. Non Curat Lex ( talk) 11:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi again, EE, thank you for following up with me. I'd like to address your comments.
First of all, you are correct - coming to me, and Eastlaw, et al. was a good idea, and I would oppose any suggestion that you acted improperly in that regard, okay?
Second, I am looking at your explanation of what has happened, and I think we need to take a step back. You want to improve WP Law assessment, and that is your main goal. We all agree on that. Now, there is another editor who also wants to do the same thing. You and he think differently about it. Now, just for starters, I consider NMC a member of WPLaw. There's a difference between being a part of a project and being a self-identified part of a project. We're self-identified members of the project. But that doesn't make us special. Remember, on wikipedia, everyone has an equal right to edit, except when there is a COI. We judge edits based on the content of the edit not the character of the editor. So I understand there is a real dispute about C-classification - which (I happen to think is a good idea.) We can't solve that conflict ourselves. So why don't we try to iron out what we can, and save that issue until we can get another uninvolved editor? I have some ideas, if you're willing to go along with it.
Here's step one, if you agree to it: I would like both you and NMCvocalist to e-mail me (using "e-mail this user") a list, which you can make and format any way you want, of what you consider to be things you want to change, or keep, about the Assessment page. The reason I want you to both e-mail me rather than posting is so that we keep the tone positive. I don't want one of you to make your list, and then the other person to make his list a bunch of criticisms of yours. So I want you both to be "blind" and send me what you want the page to say, if you could have it your way. I am then going to post both of your lists. Then we will see where you really have your differences, and what we can agree on to change. Then we can respond to each other.
I am asking for you to do this for me because I just cannot go back and look at every edit differential and figure out how important each one was. I want to seperate personal conflict from content. Are you willing to go along with it? Non Curat Lex ( talk) 22:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- I think is a good idea to get things clear in this manner and I'll email it in the next day or so, and I think the other editor should also do so in order to cool off. I would like to insist that an admin who is a WP participant should be involved at some point or at least some other WP Law participants just because two opposing editors with one mediator does not provide for the most auspicious circumstances for coming to a proper resolution. There are just too few editors involved. Five other WP Law participants and an admin would be the best minimum, but I suppose that is stretching it because perhaps too few care. On the other hand, probably not enough editors even presently aware of the assessment department because it has just been recently reopened. Perhaps within a month enough editors will have seen that the assessment department is reopened because of the to do list of the project page and the bottom of the project page where there is a section devoted to WP assessment department. So . . . I will email what I think should be changed, the other editor will do so as well, and then talk it out but wait for a month or so as WP Law participants rediscover the assessment department. Maybe the other editor should remove some of the uncivil langauge in his or her comments in the talk page of the assessment department so that the editor doesn't scare away potential participants ;-). EECavazos ( talk) 00:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- And thank you for willingness to participate. I mostly-agree. Let's make sure NCM is on board with the idea exchange too before you waste time on it. I'll check his talk page. I am not sure we need an army of editors and admins. We MAY be able to just work it out ourselves. In any case, before we go up the ladder, why don't we at least crunch down the issues, like a good WikiArb. But unlike a WikiArb, I'm not empowering myself, nor asking you to empower to make any decisions. I am just here to try to focus the communication. If anything requires making a decision, at that point, we go to an outside editor or admin. But then, we have a clear issue for him or her; the admin won't have to figure out what the issue is, and we'll get a better result. I will watch closely on the civility issue. Non Curat Lex ( talk) 00:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- Nevermind. I am afraid you're going to have to get help from someone else with this. This looks like far more aggravation than it's worth.
Non Curat Lex (
talk) 06:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you - it's been the first week of classes. I think the current page at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Law/Assessment is pretty good. If you want to make such major changes, we should discuss it at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law/Assessment. Thanks for
staying calm and
being professional.
Bearian (
talk) 18:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- If you think the current page is pretty good, then leave some comments to that effect on the the specific issue sections of the assessment department's talk page. There should be a consensus one way or the other. A consensus counter to my proposals be a beautiful sight to see in my eyes because a consensus finally developed. EECavazos ( talk) 19:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you - it's been the first week of classes. I think the current page at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Law/Assessment is pretty good. If you want to make such major changes, we should discuss it at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law/Assessment. Thanks for
staying calm and
being professional.
Bearian (
talk) 18:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Nevermind. I am afraid you're going to have to get help from someone else with this. This looks like far more aggravation than it's worth.
Non Curat Lex (
talk) 06:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi EECavazos,
I'm asking Wikipedians who are interested in
United States legal articles to take a look at
WP:Hornbook, the new "JD curriculum task force".
Our mission is to assimilate into Wikipedia all the insights of an American law school education, by reducing hornbooks to footnotes.
- Each casebook will have a subpage.
- Over the course of a semester, each subpage will shift its focus to track the unfolding curriculum(s) for classes using that casebook around the country.
- It will also feature an extensive, hyperlinked "index" or "outline" to that casebook, pointing to pages, headers, or {{ anchors}} in Wikipedia ( example).
- Individual law schools can freely adapt our casebook outlines to the idiosyncratic curriculum devised by each individual professor.
- I'm encouraging law students around the country to create local chapters of the club I'm starting at my own law school, "Student WP:Hornbook Editors". Using WP:Hornbook as our headquarters, we're hoping to create a study group so inclusive that nobody will dare not join.
What you can do now:
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- Email http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Hornbook to your classmates, and tell them to do the same.
- Contact me directly via talk page or email about coordinating a chapter of "Student WP:Hornbook Editors" at your own school.
- (You don't have to start the club, or even be involved in it; just help direct me to someone who might.)
- 3. Introduce yourself to me. Law editors on Wikipedia are a scarce commodity. Do knock on my talk page if there's an article you'd like help on.
Regards, Andrew Gradman talk/ WP:Hornbook 05:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I changed the rating on this from "top" to "mid" importance, because this is not the sort of law taught to paralegals or first-year law students. Bearian ( talk) 15:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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Hi, and nice to see a new member of the taxation wikiproject. Is there anything in particular you're planning to work on? Any articles that made your fingers itch to correct when you saw them? (that's what got me started here!) Winklethorpe ( talk) 21:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I will get to have a look at your peer review request in the next few days - I'm a bit bogged down at the moment. Anyway, having some time to deal with the first set of comments may be beneficial. Winklethorpe ( talk) 10:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Review added. Hopefully it won't seem like I'm pulling your article to bits - all comments intended constructively. I find long lists of critical points rather daunting, myself (check out my roasting at
Wikipedia:Featured article review/United Kingdom corporation tax if you want a laugh). I'll happily revisit the article after you've had a chance to work on it. All in all, it's a good piece of work.
Winklethorpe (
talk) 22:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- That's fine. I'm afraid you chose the wrong time to visit London - the UK's been wet and miserable the last week!
Winklethorpe (
talk) 06:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, congrats on graduation.
J.Winklethorpe
talk 08:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- If I'd known you were going to St Albans, I'd have recommended the Lower Red Lion - best beer in the area :) J.Winklethorpe talk 06:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, congrats on graduation.
J.Winklethorpe
talk 08:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's fine. I'm afraid you chose the wrong time to visit London - the UK's been wet and miserable the last week!
Winklethorpe (
talk) 06:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I've started cleaning up the article, but need some help. Keep an eye on it and watch out for the users that just revert everything. CarlosRodriguez
Thanks for taking this on. I took a first crack at it a year ago, and I'm glad you're cleaning up some of the stuff I forgot from 10 years ago. Boundlessly 20:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Would you agree to move the article " Foundation(charity)" to just "Foundation" ? I made some comments in the article's talk page. Dao ken 10:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Separately from preceding: You are on a roll. Go with it. It is great for WP to get the benefit of the concentrated attention of someone knowledgable in an area to clean up multi-article problems (overlap, contradiction, etc.). Lesser lights can fill in gaps, polish, criticize (and, yes, mess up), and protect. Thanks again. DCDuring 18:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
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Good day. Gladly invite you to join WP:ORGZ. You may also find that your skills will be very welcome at WP:TIMETRACE and WP:UPDATE which will not take up time, just to have a couple of templates handy. Have a nice day Dao ken 10:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi. I believe the external link I placed in the above pages was appropriate. Please check out our blog, www.bankrutpcylawnetwork.com. It is not outwardly commercial. Rather, our mission is to educate the consumer. Is there any way that we might reconsider this issue?
Thanks, Steve
Stephen M. Otto, Esq. 409 Broad Street Suite 260 Car Barn Shops Building Sewickley, PA 15143 412.741.1200
steve@sottolaw.com
www.sottolaw.com
www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smolaw ( talk • contribs) 06:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Two minutes after I started the page, you applied the speedy deletion tag for lack of context. Certainly it takes longer than 10 minutes before substantial content may be contributed. EECavazos 03:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you started an article on this Act. I added the statutory references. I have a casebook with a few articles on this law, and I will try to add some info to the article when I have time. -- Eastlaw ( talk) 12:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
A well reasoned article assessment is *good*. What you have given is little better than your own opinion, and you are sparse with that. I assess your article assessment as very poor. See this but also the WP policy on assessments. Doubtless you know where to find it? Paul Beardsell ( talk) 00:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
You really don't get it! It matters very little what I think. Just as your article assessment should not be a purely *subjective* one (which is what it is without supportive argument & reasoning), neither should you give way because of *my* passion over the issue, but because you recognise I am, perhaps on this occasion only, right! What is important is that you follow WP policy. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 01:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- For WP Policy, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ. EECavazos ( talk) 01:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for all the work that you do on the tax law related articles. I see your signature everywhere. Famspear ( talk) 04:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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talk:Taxing and Spending Clause They want to move it under General Welfare Clause. Also, since I kind of re-wrote it around New Year's I've been hoping to the article reviewed and get it re-graded under the wiki-tax project... Foofighter20x ( talk) 03:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- I think this editor has decided to pursue endeavors outside Wikipedia. [1] -- Foggy Morning ( talk) 04:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind a little help if you have time. :-) The FairTax article (FA) was listed on the main page, so it received its share of comments this week. I don't know what your position is on tax reform nor do I care if you support or oppose such a bill. I've always found you to provide good discussion and you know taxation the wikipedia policies pretty well, which is what we may need there with many new users making comments (we get the extremes). I'll warn you that it is a controversial subject, so like many of our tax protester articles, it could get a little heated. Thanks Morphh (talk) 16:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
You added the entry about the anchor baby slur to WP:WikiProject Law, but the legal concept is covered in the family reunification entry. I suggest the resources of Wikiproject are better focused on the latter. Terjen ( talk) 05:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
You wouldn't happen to be Ed Cavazos from EFF-Austin, back in the day, would you?
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Law#WP:LAW_assessment_scheme - you may comment if you wish. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 00:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
- The productive contributions you've made do include fixing those links from India to law articles, and certain tweaks you've made to the language in certain parts of the dept. page - those changes are appreciated. However, some of your changes have been significantly controversial which is on the other hand, not impressive, and these have been reverted.
- By controversial, you mean improving the assessment department and reopening it and making it available to WP Law participants. What is controversial is that an editor who is not a participant of WP Law removed the assessment department from WP Law project page and the WP Law participants and then spent several months squatting it. EECavazos ( talk) 20:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- The cycle was bold, revert discuss - it appears that you are the only user who has assessed articles under the C-class banner, but you have been reverted. Please cease trying to impose Editorial Team 1.0's scheme on WikiProject Law - there is no consensus (and consensus is not based on the number of editors who have responded).
- It appears I am the only editor and WP Law participant who assesses articles you are neither a WP Law participant nor a person who assesses articles beyond reverts. Further 1.0 scheme has the C class as a default opt-in and a concensus opt-out. You are the only editor who wants an opt-out, there is no consensus and you need the concensus. EECavazos ( talk) 20:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- The reason I have (until now) not opened the C-class discussion was due to the fact it has not been adopted by this project, but should the project feel that our current system cannot function without C-class, then we won't need to reinsert it into the law template. You feel that it cannot, so I opened the discussion and decided to inform you. We have not adopted the class to date.
Ncmvocalist (
talk) 11:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Again, the WP policy is default opt-in, consensus opt-out. You are using the royal we. We means you, a person who is the only one opposed to the C class and who has not listed themselves as a participant of WP Law and yet who has removed the links to the assessment department thereby preventing actual WP Law participants from seeing the assessment department.
EECavazos (
talk) 20:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- What on earth are you talking about? You're simply being disruptive. If you want a change, there needs to be a consensus for it - the editorial team does not have authority over this WikiProject, sorry! Ncmvocalist ( talk) 05:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- Again, the WP policy is default opt-in, consensus opt-out. You are using the royal we. We means you, a person who is the only one opposed to the C class and who has not listed themselves as a participant of WP Law and yet who has removed the links to the assessment department thereby preventing actual WP Law participants from seeing the assessment department.
EECavazos (
talk) 20:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
These comments do not belong on my talk page, they belong here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Law/Assessment
WP:LAW assessment issues
I am sorry to hear about the problems you are having with regards to the article assessments. I don't know this other editor or why he is behaving this way, so there isn't much I can do personally to help you. You may need to use some sort of formal dispute resolution process, but before you attempt that, you should speak to one of the administrators on the project ( User:Bearian, User:BD2412, User:Chaser and User:Postdlf are all administrators).
I wish I could help you, but I don't have any real power around here, and I don't know enough about the changes to the assessment system to be of much use to you. -- Eastlaw ( talk) 20:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hi EE - I got your message. Thank you for keeping the discussion alive; I was unaware of subsequent developments. I will be happy to continue to participate. Thank you for notifying me. Non Curat Lex ( talk) 22:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hi again, EE. This is important, please make sure to stay within the editing policies of wikipedia. Do not revert. Do not edit war. The ONLY way to win an edit war is NEVER to participate in one. Relax and remember that no matter how much someone you disagree with seems to pollute wikipedia, EVERYTHING is saved, and there is no irreperable damage; everything can be fixed - except if you break the rules and lose the right to edit. Follow my advice and STRICTLY abstain from edit warring. Non Curat Lex ( talk) 07:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- OK, so, EE, I'm looking at the history of the page, and it looks like you and NMVocalist are both trying to make a lot of improvements. Unfortunately, you have some different ideas about things and your edits are coming to into conflict with his. I haven't figured out what all of them are yet, because the edit history is a little lengthy, but I'd like to try and help, informally, if I can. I don't think it's my job to take sides, or make decisions. I just want to help both of you. Maybe if we can find some common ground, we can all work together to improve the article. Does this sound like something you would like to help me with? If so, write to my talk page to let me know, and we can get started. Non Curat Lex ( talk) 11:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi again, EE, thank you for following up with me. I'd like to address your comments.
First of all, you are correct - coming to me, and Eastlaw, et al. was a good idea, and I would oppose any suggestion that you acted improperly in that regard, okay?
Second, I am looking at your explanation of what has happened, and I think we need to take a step back. You want to improve WP Law assessment, and that is your main goal. We all agree on that. Now, there is another editor who also wants to do the same thing. You and he think differently about it. Now, just for starters, I consider NMC a member of WPLaw. There's a difference between being a part of a project and being a self-identified part of a project. We're self-identified members of the project. But that doesn't make us special. Remember, on wikipedia, everyone has an equal right to edit, except when there is a COI. We judge edits based on the content of the edit not the character of the editor. So I understand there is a real dispute about C-classification - which (I happen to think is a good idea.) We can't solve that conflict ourselves. So why don't we try to iron out what we can, and save that issue until we can get another uninvolved editor? I have some ideas, if you're willing to go along with it.
Here's step one, if you agree to it: I would like both you and NMCvocalist to e-mail me (using "e-mail this user") a list, which you can make and format any way you want, of what you consider to be things you want to change, or keep, about the Assessment page. The reason I want you to both e-mail me rather than posting is so that we keep the tone positive. I don't want one of you to make your list, and then the other person to make his list a bunch of criticisms of yours. So I want you both to be "blind" and send me what you want the page to say, if you could have it your way. I am then going to post both of your lists. Then we will see where you really have your differences, and what we can agree on to change. Then we can respond to each other.
I am asking for you to do this for me because I just cannot go back and look at every edit differential and figure out how important each one was. I want to seperate personal conflict from content. Are you willing to go along with it? Non Curat Lex ( talk) 22:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
- I think is a good idea to get things clear in this manner and I'll email it in the next day or so, and I think the other editor should also do so in order to cool off. I would like to insist that an admin who is a WP participant should be involved at some point or at least some other WP Law participants just because two opposing editors with one mediator does not provide for the most auspicious circumstances for coming to a proper resolution. There are just too few editors involved. Five other WP Law participants and an admin would be the best minimum, but I suppose that is stretching it because perhaps too few care. On the other hand, probably not enough editors even presently aware of the assessment department because it has just been recently reopened. Perhaps within a month enough editors will have seen that the assessment department is reopened because of the to do list of the project page and the bottom of the project page where there is a section devoted to WP assessment department. So . . . I will email what I think should be changed, the other editor will do so as well, and then talk it out but wait for a month or so as WP Law participants rediscover the assessment department. Maybe the other editor should remove some of the uncivil langauge in his or her comments in the talk page of the assessment department so that the editor doesn't scare away potential participants ;-). EECavazos ( talk) 00:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- And thank you for willingness to participate. I mostly-agree. Let's make sure NCM is on board with the idea exchange too before you waste time on it. I'll check his talk page. I am not sure we need an army of editors and admins. We MAY be able to just work it out ourselves. In any case, before we go up the ladder, why don't we at least crunch down the issues, like a good WikiArb. But unlike a WikiArb, I'm not empowering myself, nor asking you to empower to make any decisions. I am just here to try to focus the communication. If anything requires making a decision, at that point, we go to an outside editor or admin. But then, we have a clear issue for him or her; the admin won't have to figure out what the issue is, and we'll get a better result. I will watch closely on the civility issue. Non Curat Lex ( talk) 00:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- Nevermind. I am afraid you're going to have to get help from someone else with this. This looks like far more aggravation than it's worth.
Non Curat Lex (
talk) 06:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you - it's been the first week of classes. I think the current page at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Law/Assessment is pretty good. If you want to make such major changes, we should discuss it at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law/Assessment. Thanks for
staying calm and
being professional.
Bearian (
talk) 18:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- If you think the current page is pretty good, then leave some comments to that effect on the the specific issue sections of the assessment department's talk page. There should be a consensus one way or the other. A consensus counter to my proposals be a beautiful sight to see in my eyes because a consensus finally developed. EECavazos ( talk) 19:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you - it's been the first week of classes. I think the current page at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Law/Assessment is pretty good. If you want to make such major changes, we should discuss it at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law/Assessment. Thanks for
staying calm and
being professional.
Bearian (
talk) 18:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Nevermind. I am afraid you're going to have to get help from someone else with this. This looks like far more aggravation than it's worth.
Non Curat Lex (
talk) 06:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi EECavazos,
I'm asking Wikipedians who are interested in
United States legal articles to take a look at
WP:Hornbook, the new "JD curriculum task force".
Our mission is to assimilate into Wikipedia all the insights of an American law school education, by reducing hornbooks to footnotes.
- Each casebook will have a subpage.
- Over the course of a semester, each subpage will shift its focus to track the unfolding curriculum(s) for classes using that casebook around the country.
- It will also feature an extensive, hyperlinked "index" or "outline" to that casebook, pointing to pages, headers, or {{ anchors}} in Wikipedia ( example).
- Individual law schools can freely adapt our casebook outlines to the idiosyncratic curriculum devised by each individual professor.
- I'm encouraging law students around the country to create local chapters of the club I'm starting at my own law school, "Student WP:Hornbook Editors". Using WP:Hornbook as our headquarters, we're hoping to create a study group so inclusive that nobody will dare not join.
What you can do now:
- 1. Add WP:Hornbook to your watchlist, {{ User Hornbook}} to your userpage, and ~~~~ to Wikipedia:Hornbook/participants.
- 2. If you're a law student,
- Email http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Hornbook to your classmates, and tell them to do the same.
- Contact me directly via talk page or email about coordinating a chapter of "Student WP:Hornbook Editors" at your own school.
- (You don't have to start the club, or even be involved in it; just help direct me to someone who might.)
- 3. Introduce yourself to me. Law editors on Wikipedia are a scarce commodity. Do knock on my talk page if there's an article you'd like help on.
Regards, Andrew Gradman talk/ WP:Hornbook 05:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I changed the rating on this from "top" to "mid" importance, because this is not the sort of law taught to paralegals or first-year law students. Bearian ( talk) 15:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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