Good hello. I've just tracked down that quote by Mr. Wales, you may find it here [1]. Cheers. L0b0t 11:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
With an impressive showing of support, you're now an admin. Have fun using the new tools to improve the project. Use them conservatively, especially blocking as polite warnings can often de-escalate situations instead of inflaming them. As you get the hang of it, dig in and help out with the backlogs. Again, congrats and have fun. - Taxman Talk 20:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for the congratulations. I'm running down the list at this moment to thank the people who supported the nomination. With warmth and smiles, Durova 21:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
First of all, congratulations on your selection as an editor! My most sincere felicidades to you. I came here to be your probable first complex request for investigation case. I want to take advantange of your enegery as a newly appointed editor, because it seems that I have been unable to get the attention of other editors in this matter. Please, read this [2] and [3] request, as all the evidence is provided there. The issue was almost solved, but for a technicallity, it was reverted as you can read here [4].
This is a long-term complex issue. Users E Pluribus Anthony, Cogito ergo sumo and Ex post factoid are the same person. As I already said, I got them blocked but then unblocked due to the fact of a technicallity regarding sockpuppetry. Reason? Their edits do not overlap, so it can't be considered sockpuppetry. Perhaps I am not presenting the facts and the evidence in a very good way, so, ask me whatever you need to know. Thanks in advance for your time. AlexCovarrubias 01:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Congrats for becoming an admin - I really admired your work when I used to update your noms to DYKs. And apologies that I couldn't vote on your RfA - I've been way too inactive, of late. -- Gurubrahma 05:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
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Congratulations on your promotion, and you're very welcome! -- Merovingian ※ Talk 21:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Why not put the image here. Especially if you write a bit about War Stamps ( found this great site for other posters). Also, there is a WW2 image so yours could be the WW1 image. It is a great image!-- Justanother 13:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I noticed all your notes on talk pages. This is of course a well known and big problem with a large number of articles on Wikipedia. Perhaps what we need is a MoS page that recommends a standard name for "cultural depictions" articles, how to format them, etc.. one thing that is absolutely vital is a date for the work be included, and the works be sorted chronologically, and be segmented into categories (sculpture, tv, etc..). The other thing is while I like the look of the JoA featured article, it is not user friendly for newbies to add new entries - or even for more experienced users - to figure out the syntax and placement of where things go - which creates an extra barrier. I don't know what the solution is, other than simple is good. Anyway, we need a community forum to discuss, MoS page, project page, etc.. -- Stbalbach 13:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I have the same reservations as Stbalbach to your suggested approach. Very few biography subjects warrant a separate page just for cultural references. (The sections for such topics should never be headed "Trivia", in my opinion, because trivia is by definition not
WP:EN.) Separating them detracts from the completeness of the main article and forces the reader to follow a link for information that belongs in the same article. Cultural references frequently get deleted because they are unsourced or are too trivial to be meet encyclopedic standards.
A better forum for public discussion of what you propose as a new guideline for biography articles would be on the talk page of the biography project or of an appropriate MoS page, rather than on a sub-page in your user space.
Finell
(Talk) 16:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I've posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography, WP:RFC, and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. If this generates a critical mass of interest I'll move the page into Wikipedia namespace as a proposal. Durova 20:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on your RFA outcome. As I said on the nom page, those were the only significant interactions I recall having with you, so I'd no first hand basis on which to support, without taking the time to review your contribs (which I didn't manage to do). But as I also said, the strength of support from various others makes me feel I don't have too much to worry about. Alai 17:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Arbitration Clerk, FloNight 22:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I saw your message earlier but I was at school, so I didn't have time to respond completely. The best solution is to provide a civil request to the editor and tell him to stop editing your user page with stupid things. The user is basically using his user page as a test sandbox, so it's nothing too serious. A civil reply sometimes is all that is needed to resolve disputes.
Nishkid 64 19:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The editors over at Edgar Allan Poe desperately need to be informed about your "cultural depictions" solution. Right now, half the article is devoted to "cultural depictions". Kaldari 22:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your comments on the talk page for John Bowlby. I hope it serves to break the cycle of the very unholy mess occurring there.
Would it be improper to ask you to post a similar comment on the talk page for Candace Newmaker? The mess is even worse there!
Best regards, Larry Sarner 05:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
You may have noticed that User:Sarner was banned for a period of time from the Bowlby page by an administrator and that he may have what appears to be a conflict of interest regarding his position on the inclusion of information about Advocates for Children in Therapy on the Candace Newmaker page because he is a leader of Advocates for Children in Therapy and author of the main text used as a reference in both articles. DPeterson talk 11:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I was just leaving for Myconos, when I saw your star. It is a great honor. By the way, cons for being an adm. I'll be back in a couple of days.-- Yannismarou 10:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the star, though I think Garion96 put a lot more work in than I did. Trezatium 21:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
No, not stepping on anybodies toes at all. :) (though, I had asked for Shells opinion.) Your actions seem ok though, so I'll toodle off to her talk and let her know that it's been dealt with :) Thanks -- Crimsone 15:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Keep an eye on HamishMacBeth. I have argues with him all the time because he continues removing celebrities from the list of famous tall men without any commentaries on my discuss page. I'm one who accepts the Wikipedia rules and he always disabuses me. If he doesn't stop removing celebrities then block him please or tell me how to block a user, thanks.
Hi... can you take a look at User:CC80's revert-warring here? They just violated 3RR in their ongoing effort to remove sourced information, and this isn't the first time the user has been warned about 3RR. I'm trying for a more expedient solution since the 3RR noticeboard seems to have a week's backlog going. wikipediatrix 20:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
By the way, there is no point in citing a rule about not citing rules. Just do what ought to be done for the reason it ought to be done, with the only explanation needed being that reason. — Centrx→ talk • 21:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Part of the reason for IAR is that one should just take the right action without trying to have an encyclopedic knowledge of rules. For one example, there is actually on some "official" policy or guideline about vandalism or talk pages somewhere a statement about it being legitimate to remove invalid vandalism warnings but there is no reason to scour through these pages to cite the exact guideline.
Regarding "owning up to it", Wikipedia:Suggestions on how to ignore all rules, that was introduced by User:Alienus who, aside from being banned was a troll. Also, there are two main sides to Ignoring all rules. On the one above, it is just to go about your business but without keeping mind of every stupid rule minutiae. On the other, IAR is sometimes cited to choose to disregard written rules. There is still little point in citing IAR for every first action, but there is this distinction where "owning up to it" is totally irrelevant to simply "not being acquainted" with the rules, rather than knowing but willfully disregarding them. — Centrx→ talk • 21:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
It diminishes the point of IAR in two respects. First, it would be citing a rule about not citing rules, almost self-contradictory. Second, it is a fundamental Wikipedia principle, up along with NPOV. You don't revert vandalism saying "Per the Vandalism policy, I am reverting this vandalism" and you don't block someone saying "Blocking per the Blocking policy, section "Abusive sockpuppet account", it just gets blocked with the simple message "Abusive sockpuppet account". The use of any policy, and especially IAR, depends on the reason for it being used, not the text on the page.
I just happened to notice your edit summary. — Centrx→ talk • 01:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
For half the cases, it is just not wasting time finding out whether there is a rule, so there is no "reason for not following it", the action may be in accord with it and there is nothing to "own up" to. In all cases, reasons for taking an action should be indicated, but that's not the same thing as saying "Per WP:IAR". If a policy page is in error, which would be the reason one would not follow it, then you can go change it or bring it up on the talk page to fix it.
Regarding the vandalism warning discussions, I don't think there is any disagreement about whether it is valid to remove illegitimate warnings—the discussion was about relaxing an existing rule that already allowed for that, and the discussion was about the users themselves removing warnings. Administrators or uninvolved users in good standing performing administrative tasks are free to remove illegitimate warnings. — Centrx→ talk • 06:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I didn't see the edit summary. My mistake. -- Spring Rubber 04:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure there exist enough cultural depictions of Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor, to make a worthwhile fork (though he's rightly a core-biography candidate, he's probably not a widely depicted iconic figure, unfortunately). Your scheme, however, brought to mind two articles that might be appropriate targets for your note—not core biographies but articles about mythologised historical figures: Elizabeth Báthory and Lucrezia Borgia (in fact, an article called "Cultural depictions of the Borgia family" might be feasible, since Alexander VI and Cesare Borgia have often been depicted along with Lucrezia). In both cases, the articles are heavily adulterated with innuendo and fantasy informed by and informing cultural depictions. If those articles were forked, the residual core of fact might be left relatively bare and unsensational (no bad thing, perhaps) and the cultural-depiction articles the more interesting prong of the fork.
Of course, there haven't been so many cultural depictions of these two as there have been of Joan of Arc. I've just looked at your article Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc; it's brilliant, a great credit to you (tips képi)! I wouldn't know how to go about compiling such an edifice myself; it's one thing to have a few books around the house with which to Gradgrind a topic, but I don't watch films or television much, and, perhaps unnecessarily, I'd want to see the depictions myself. (I have seen Dreyer's film, though, and it gets in my favourite ten films ever.) I suppose my main interest in your scheme would be to purify articles of judgements influenced more by cultural depictions than historical fact. Anyway, best of luck to you (but don't be surprised if people with your skills and diligence aren't exactly springing out of the wainscot). qp10qp 13:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Did you read the section immediately before your post? -- Avi 00:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The recent fork of Wikipedia known (at least for the moment) as Citizendium (CZ) has launched a pilot project:
I will be editing a few articles related to Joan of Arc on that pilot project. The book articles related to Fresh Vetdics and Marina Warner's book will be expanded there with the new content (at least my new content) brought back into Wikipedia. I have also brought the main body text of the Joan of Arc article over to the pilot project where I will be editing it, mainly in an effort to shorten the article as it is generally of very good quality as is.
Please feel free to join in this effort if you want. JFPerry 15:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Durova, I request you to pls intervene and help me out here This user has crossed all limits of civility as well as those of Wiki policies. Please read through that new report and fix it. Thanks Sudharsansn 20:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Can u note that somewhere in the tangle of this page, wattle has made the lieing claim I used abuse re RMC.
This is a total lie. What I actually did was ask who put the line "[edit] FAK's': Name given to Staff Cadets who were once Officer Cadets, stands for "Fucking ADFA Cadets"
on the RMC article page under abbreviations, for a very particular reason. The cite on that page re the Handbook, I also put as it wa sme put the 'Charter' on that page from that handbook. I would only have that handbook for one reason so am not likely to be putting abuse on that page. Wattle has told numerous similar total fabrications where the truth has been twisted to suit her purpose.
Peytalholmes I think removed the abusive comment as noted above from the RMC article page not long after I queried it on the discussion page. If I find that sort of garbage on the RMC article page again, I will make sure the RMC Commandant knows, and the press.
Wattle can twist and turn all she likes about all she likes. Its very very obvious she has some agenda of her own where she is prepared to tell lies. Grow up wattle. You are too ridiculous.
Also Durova, you turned didnt u. I remove the thanks I gave u. Guess the ability to turn is how u have to be here though, to fit in. That attitude is going to mean wik ends up with just aggro dimwits that run on gang dynamics.
I just read Durovas idiotic note to me in her archive.
Durova, u grow up also. Do u have any idea at all hwo this up yerself attitude u and others put on, causes aggro.
Its u guys causing the trouble on wik so how about u all take a long brathe, have a look at yourselves in the mirror, read an article or two on bully tactics and cult dynamics, then find a cliff...and take sail.
All those who get on the wrong end of this mob, its a grand compliment to be rejected by psychotics such as this. Who would wan tto be accepted by them. No one in their right mind as they are totally and utterly, bizarre.
I'd have corrected th etypos but my typos match the level of this palce so added some more..
it gets hits many times a day, i discovered your Depiction of PP in Culture suggestion, which i will second there. I see that you have several other such pages, [i already tweaked Joan of Arc a bit], but i'd like to suggest that all the title be changed to PP in popular culture, or JofA in popular culture etc. This has been done for coyote in popular culture and i think it is, or would be, easier to look up, remember and spell than what you've been using. Either way i love the conceipt and am looking for a master list of these cultural collections. Carptrash 13:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Ref [8] - yes - thank you :-)-- Golden Wattle talk 10:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, the discussion about renaming an article on Japanese emperor Hirohito to Showa emperor or something to that effect. In Japan, the emperor is not referred to by his given name or surname, but rather the name given to his time of reign. At least that's my understanding. I'm sorry if I misled you. -- Kyok o 12:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Glad your adminship passed! Thanks for the handwritted mesage - it's nice to see. Well Drawn Charli e 18:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Durova, I left a comment for you here, and also below that. Oroboros 1 10:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Good hello. I've just tracked down that quote by Mr. Wales, you may find it here [1]. Cheers. L0b0t 11:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
With an impressive showing of support, you're now an admin. Have fun using the new tools to improve the project. Use them conservatively, especially blocking as polite warnings can often de-escalate situations instead of inflaming them. As you get the hang of it, dig in and help out with the backlogs. Again, congrats and have fun. - Taxman Talk 20:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for the congratulations. I'm running down the list at this moment to thank the people who supported the nomination. With warmth and smiles, Durova 21:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
First of all, congratulations on your selection as an editor! My most sincere felicidades to you. I came here to be your probable first complex request for investigation case. I want to take advantange of your enegery as a newly appointed editor, because it seems that I have been unable to get the attention of other editors in this matter. Please, read this [2] and [3] request, as all the evidence is provided there. The issue was almost solved, but for a technicallity, it was reverted as you can read here [4].
This is a long-term complex issue. Users E Pluribus Anthony, Cogito ergo sumo and Ex post factoid are the same person. As I already said, I got them blocked but then unblocked due to the fact of a technicallity regarding sockpuppetry. Reason? Their edits do not overlap, so it can't be considered sockpuppetry. Perhaps I am not presenting the facts and the evidence in a very good way, so, ask me whatever you need to know. Thanks in advance for your time. AlexCovarrubias 01:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Congrats for becoming an admin - I really admired your work when I used to update your noms to DYKs. And apologies that I couldn't vote on your RfA - I've been way too inactive, of late. -- Gurubrahma 05:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy: |
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DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales. All rights released under GFDL. |
Congratulations on your promotion, and you're very welcome! -- Merovingian ※ Talk 21:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Why not put the image here. Especially if you write a bit about War Stamps ( found this great site for other posters). Also, there is a WW2 image so yours could be the WW1 image. It is a great image!-- Justanother 13:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I noticed all your notes on talk pages. This is of course a well known and big problem with a large number of articles on Wikipedia. Perhaps what we need is a MoS page that recommends a standard name for "cultural depictions" articles, how to format them, etc.. one thing that is absolutely vital is a date for the work be included, and the works be sorted chronologically, and be segmented into categories (sculpture, tv, etc..). The other thing is while I like the look of the JoA featured article, it is not user friendly for newbies to add new entries - or even for more experienced users - to figure out the syntax and placement of where things go - which creates an extra barrier. I don't know what the solution is, other than simple is good. Anyway, we need a community forum to discuss, MoS page, project page, etc.. -- Stbalbach 13:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I have the same reservations as Stbalbach to your suggested approach. Very few biography subjects warrant a separate page just for cultural references. (The sections for such topics should never be headed "Trivia", in my opinion, because trivia is by definition not
WP:EN.) Separating them detracts from the completeness of the main article and forces the reader to follow a link for information that belongs in the same article. Cultural references frequently get deleted because they are unsourced or are too trivial to be meet encyclopedic standards.
A better forum for public discussion of what you propose as a new guideline for biography articles would be on the talk page of the biography project or of an appropriate MoS page, rather than on a sub-page in your user space.
Finell
(Talk) 16:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I've posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography, WP:RFC, and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. If this generates a critical mass of interest I'll move the page into Wikipedia namespace as a proposal. Durova 20:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on your RFA outcome. As I said on the nom page, those were the only significant interactions I recall having with you, so I'd no first hand basis on which to support, without taking the time to review your contribs (which I didn't manage to do). But as I also said, the strength of support from various others makes me feel I don't have too much to worry about. Alai 17:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Gundagai editors/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Arbitration Clerk, FloNight 22:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I saw your message earlier but I was at school, so I didn't have time to respond completely. The best solution is to provide a civil request to the editor and tell him to stop editing your user page with stupid things. The user is basically using his user page as a test sandbox, so it's nothing too serious. A civil reply sometimes is all that is needed to resolve disputes.
Nishkid 64 19:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The editors over at Edgar Allan Poe desperately need to be informed about your "cultural depictions" solution. Right now, half the article is devoted to "cultural depictions". Kaldari 22:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your comments on the talk page for John Bowlby. I hope it serves to break the cycle of the very unholy mess occurring there.
Would it be improper to ask you to post a similar comment on the talk page for Candace Newmaker? The mess is even worse there!
Best regards, Larry Sarner 05:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
You may have noticed that User:Sarner was banned for a period of time from the Bowlby page by an administrator and that he may have what appears to be a conflict of interest regarding his position on the inclusion of information about Advocates for Children in Therapy on the Candace Newmaker page because he is a leader of Advocates for Children in Therapy and author of the main text used as a reference in both articles. DPeterson talk 11:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I was just leaving for Myconos, when I saw your star. It is a great honor. By the way, cons for being an adm. I'll be back in a couple of days.-- Yannismarou 10:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the star, though I think Garion96 put a lot more work in than I did. Trezatium 21:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
No, not stepping on anybodies toes at all. :) (though, I had asked for Shells opinion.) Your actions seem ok though, so I'll toodle off to her talk and let her know that it's been dealt with :) Thanks -- Crimsone 15:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Keep an eye on HamishMacBeth. I have argues with him all the time because he continues removing celebrities from the list of famous tall men without any commentaries on my discuss page. I'm one who accepts the Wikipedia rules and he always disabuses me. If he doesn't stop removing celebrities then block him please or tell me how to block a user, thanks.
Hi... can you take a look at User:CC80's revert-warring here? They just violated 3RR in their ongoing effort to remove sourced information, and this isn't the first time the user has been warned about 3RR. I'm trying for a more expedient solution since the 3RR noticeboard seems to have a week's backlog going. wikipediatrix 20:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
By the way, there is no point in citing a rule about not citing rules. Just do what ought to be done for the reason it ought to be done, with the only explanation needed being that reason. — Centrx→ talk • 21:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Part of the reason for IAR is that one should just take the right action without trying to have an encyclopedic knowledge of rules. For one example, there is actually on some "official" policy or guideline about vandalism or talk pages somewhere a statement about it being legitimate to remove invalid vandalism warnings but there is no reason to scour through these pages to cite the exact guideline.
Regarding "owning up to it", Wikipedia:Suggestions on how to ignore all rules, that was introduced by User:Alienus who, aside from being banned was a troll. Also, there are two main sides to Ignoring all rules. On the one above, it is just to go about your business but without keeping mind of every stupid rule minutiae. On the other, IAR is sometimes cited to choose to disregard written rules. There is still little point in citing IAR for every first action, but there is this distinction where "owning up to it" is totally irrelevant to simply "not being acquainted" with the rules, rather than knowing but willfully disregarding them. — Centrx→ talk • 21:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
It diminishes the point of IAR in two respects. First, it would be citing a rule about not citing rules, almost self-contradictory. Second, it is a fundamental Wikipedia principle, up along with NPOV. You don't revert vandalism saying "Per the Vandalism policy, I am reverting this vandalism" and you don't block someone saying "Blocking per the Blocking policy, section "Abusive sockpuppet account", it just gets blocked with the simple message "Abusive sockpuppet account". The use of any policy, and especially IAR, depends on the reason for it being used, not the text on the page.
I just happened to notice your edit summary. — Centrx→ talk • 01:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
For half the cases, it is just not wasting time finding out whether there is a rule, so there is no "reason for not following it", the action may be in accord with it and there is nothing to "own up" to. In all cases, reasons for taking an action should be indicated, but that's not the same thing as saying "Per WP:IAR". If a policy page is in error, which would be the reason one would not follow it, then you can go change it or bring it up on the talk page to fix it.
Regarding the vandalism warning discussions, I don't think there is any disagreement about whether it is valid to remove illegitimate warnings—the discussion was about relaxing an existing rule that already allowed for that, and the discussion was about the users themselves removing warnings. Administrators or uninvolved users in good standing performing administrative tasks are free to remove illegitimate warnings. — Centrx→ talk • 06:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I didn't see the edit summary. My mistake. -- Spring Rubber 04:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure there exist enough cultural depictions of Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor, to make a worthwhile fork (though he's rightly a core-biography candidate, he's probably not a widely depicted iconic figure, unfortunately). Your scheme, however, brought to mind two articles that might be appropriate targets for your note—not core biographies but articles about mythologised historical figures: Elizabeth Báthory and Lucrezia Borgia (in fact, an article called "Cultural depictions of the Borgia family" might be feasible, since Alexander VI and Cesare Borgia have often been depicted along with Lucrezia). In both cases, the articles are heavily adulterated with innuendo and fantasy informed by and informing cultural depictions. If those articles were forked, the residual core of fact might be left relatively bare and unsensational (no bad thing, perhaps) and the cultural-depiction articles the more interesting prong of the fork.
Of course, there haven't been so many cultural depictions of these two as there have been of Joan of Arc. I've just looked at your article Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc; it's brilliant, a great credit to you (tips képi)! I wouldn't know how to go about compiling such an edifice myself; it's one thing to have a few books around the house with which to Gradgrind a topic, but I don't watch films or television much, and, perhaps unnecessarily, I'd want to see the depictions myself. (I have seen Dreyer's film, though, and it gets in my favourite ten films ever.) I suppose my main interest in your scheme would be to purify articles of judgements influenced more by cultural depictions than historical fact. Anyway, best of luck to you (but don't be surprised if people with your skills and diligence aren't exactly springing out of the wainscot). qp10qp 13:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Did you read the section immediately before your post? -- Avi 00:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The recent fork of Wikipedia known (at least for the moment) as Citizendium (CZ) has launched a pilot project:
I will be editing a few articles related to Joan of Arc on that pilot project. The book articles related to Fresh Vetdics and Marina Warner's book will be expanded there with the new content (at least my new content) brought back into Wikipedia. I have also brought the main body text of the Joan of Arc article over to the pilot project where I will be editing it, mainly in an effort to shorten the article as it is generally of very good quality as is.
Please feel free to join in this effort if you want. JFPerry 15:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Durova, I request you to pls intervene and help me out here This user has crossed all limits of civility as well as those of Wiki policies. Please read through that new report and fix it. Thanks Sudharsansn 20:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Can u note that somewhere in the tangle of this page, wattle has made the lieing claim I used abuse re RMC.
This is a total lie. What I actually did was ask who put the line "[edit] FAK's': Name given to Staff Cadets who were once Officer Cadets, stands for "Fucking ADFA Cadets"
on the RMC article page under abbreviations, for a very particular reason. The cite on that page re the Handbook, I also put as it wa sme put the 'Charter' on that page from that handbook. I would only have that handbook for one reason so am not likely to be putting abuse on that page. Wattle has told numerous similar total fabrications where the truth has been twisted to suit her purpose.
Peytalholmes I think removed the abusive comment as noted above from the RMC article page not long after I queried it on the discussion page. If I find that sort of garbage on the RMC article page again, I will make sure the RMC Commandant knows, and the press.
Wattle can twist and turn all she likes about all she likes. Its very very obvious she has some agenda of her own where she is prepared to tell lies. Grow up wattle. You are too ridiculous.
Also Durova, you turned didnt u. I remove the thanks I gave u. Guess the ability to turn is how u have to be here though, to fit in. That attitude is going to mean wik ends up with just aggro dimwits that run on gang dynamics.
I just read Durovas idiotic note to me in her archive.
Durova, u grow up also. Do u have any idea at all hwo this up yerself attitude u and others put on, causes aggro.
Its u guys causing the trouble on wik so how about u all take a long brathe, have a look at yourselves in the mirror, read an article or two on bully tactics and cult dynamics, then find a cliff...and take sail.
All those who get on the wrong end of this mob, its a grand compliment to be rejected by psychotics such as this. Who would wan tto be accepted by them. No one in their right mind as they are totally and utterly, bizarre.
I'd have corrected th etypos but my typos match the level of this palce so added some more..
it gets hits many times a day, i discovered your Depiction of PP in Culture suggestion, which i will second there. I see that you have several other such pages, [i already tweaked Joan of Arc a bit], but i'd like to suggest that all the title be changed to PP in popular culture, or JofA in popular culture etc. This has been done for coyote in popular culture and i think it is, or would be, easier to look up, remember and spell than what you've been using. Either way i love the conceipt and am looking for a master list of these cultural collections. Carptrash 13:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Ref [8] - yes - thank you :-)-- Golden Wattle talk 10:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, the discussion about renaming an article on Japanese emperor Hirohito to Showa emperor or something to that effect. In Japan, the emperor is not referred to by his given name or surname, but rather the name given to his time of reign. At least that's my understanding. I'm sorry if I misled you. -- Kyok o 12:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Glad your adminship passed! Thanks for the handwritted mesage - it's nice to see. Well Drawn Charli e 18:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Durova, I left a comment for you here, and also below that. Oroboros 1 10:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)