I have read your post on Striver user page [1] and cannot control myself not to reply it here. First supposition you have is that Muslim or those you were attacked by USA enemy had anything to do with 9/11. Which me (and I think striver may be too) do not accept. Those who attacked on Iraq and Afghanistan are bigger terrorist then OBL and no doubt in my mind that Bush has no comparison in terms of superiority as a terrorist as compare to OBL. --- ALM 14:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the comment. I read it before going to the ANI comment. If i had read those first, i might have ended up being offended, but reading your sincere and open message, i can not help but understand that my user page contributed to you feeling uneasy. I apologies for that, and i will try to take steps in order to help avoid or lessen the risk of that in the future. Thanks again and peace. -- Striver 17:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
GuardianZ has been blocked from Wikipedia and is unable to edit beyond his/her user talk page. He/she left a {{helpme}} asking that you be contacted since you might be able to help. Please see the comment on his/her talk page. — Purple RAIN 19:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I know you're probably busy; but I've been impressed with the way you handle disputes (like Charun) and the creative solutions you come up with for such problems as school ip vandalism, and the suicide threat.
I stumbled across this RFC Wikipedia:Requests for comment/BooyakaDell, and it looks like something you might be able to help with. I provided my opinion, but the requester really seems to want admins to respond, and your admin tools might help you to see some things (from deleted articles, etc) that could possibly clarify the sockpuppetry accusations (though if checkuser couldn't confirm it, maybe your admin tools wouldn't be much help after all). Anyway, if you wouldn't mind taking a look at it I'm sure everyone involved would be grateful. ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) 22:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
You say that some of your diffs were removed by a clerk? That may have been a mistake; we are training up some new clerks. Can you give me a diff so I ca see what happened? You should be able to enter any evidence you want on the evidence page except diffs from a formal MedCom mediation. Ask me if you have any questions. Thatcher131 02:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)]
Durova, after investigating the archives of Talk:Joan of Arc I find myself convinced that a checkuser on User:EReference is warranted. However, if I'm reading WP:RCU properly, we need to wait until the matter of a permaban for Williamson and socks is resolved, because the alleged violation is essentially a "Vote fraud on ongoing vote", and the RCU page says to wait until after the vote is concluded to report the sock. Alternatively, we could just note in the WP:ANI thread that EReference is suspected to be a sockpupet, as you've already implied in your latest post there. --Akhilleus ( talk) 17:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Durova, You've accumulated a solid body of evidence, and gotten community support for a ban of the sockmaster and all puppets--as long as you have good reason to think an account is a sock, I think you've got the license to block it. Even without the explicit support you've been given by the community, WP:SOCK still implies that administrators can and should block any abusive sockpuppets.
I agree with you about CC80, and note that this account has been avoiding Joan-related articles. Perhaps the scrutiny is scaring him off. Do the editors of the homosexuality-related articles know about him? Would it be worth publicizing his activity on those articles' talk pages? At any rate, I'll add CC80 to the list at User:Highest-Authority-on-Joan-of-Arc-Related-Scholarship/AWilliamson sock puppets, and put in an RFCU on EReference. --Akhilleus ( talk) 06:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've blocked all the accounts that came in positive under the checkuser and added block templates, undoing the ones that were hard redirected and making sure the hidden account was also blocked. We've got a category for his sockpuppets now. It's time to write a notice to the relevant Wikiprojects, although if I know Williamson he'll probably switch tactics at this point, laying low for a while and returning in a couple of months once he thinks the heat has died down. Would you like to go ahead and post specific notices at some of the articles he's vandalized most persistently, such as cross-dressing? I don't mind if you offer my name as the primary investigating admin. Durova Charg e! 06:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey Durova, first of all, thanks for poking your head in to the RfC on User:BooyakaDell.. Other articles the IP Vandal targeted that I dealt with him was Extreme Warfare, Wrestling Spirit (BooyakaDell actually came back for this one [ [7]], and a couple other articles that have since been deleted. Howver if you look at the RfC, the biggest evidence is in a link that Booyaka/JB keeps adding to the Xtreme Pro Wrestling article, to a hosted site and articles for a "forthcoming book" that Jonathan Barber is writing called XPW: Bleeding was only half the job. It was proven that User:JB196 was Jonathan Barber in the AfD for Bleeding Was Only Half the Job, and the article he had written was deleted on grounds of WP:VAIN and WP:OR. For BooyakaDell to continually try to reinsert that link into the XPW article is proof that he is a sock of User:JB196. We've filed two WP:AN/I reports with this info, but things are pretty jammed up over there, and no admin has seemingly read/commented on it. Forgot to sign, and taking advantage to add more. If you look at WP:AN/I's archive 155, there is other observations from other editors who dealt with JB196 that the posting style (spamming tags on articles) and the signature style was the same. SirFozzie 16:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Easy there, Bookaya. My user page isn't the place to conduct a dispute. Fenric, I left some detailed suggestions about what type of other behavior to search for over at RFC talk. You'll have to do a bit more digging and show me a more convincing case than you've already presented. The question I have to ask before I come down in favor of a ban is, out of millions of wrestling fans in North America, could two of them behave this way? I've still got a reasonable doubt, which in some ways is reinforced by the way you claimed a sequential pattern of userblock/IP vandalism/registration upon semi-protection that hasn't borne up to scrutiny. Strengthen your case on some other basis if you can: you do have my attention. But it won't persuade me at all to keep pointing to the same evidence you've already given. Maybe there's more you've seen as this played out that you haven't identified explicitly. Show me exactly what that is. Durova Charg e! 22:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
That statement is not an accurate assessment. I have already _fully_ explained why I reinserted the link into the article and it has _nothing_ to do with that. Nice failure to assume good faith, though, Sirfozzie. BooyakaDell 21:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Mike_Bucci&diff=prev&oldid=95095865 http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Peter_Polaco&diff=prev&oldid=95092788 http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Christian_York&diff=prev&oldid=95091011 http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vic_Grimes&diff=94811394&oldid=91354974
Here he is adding his name to the article here which was sourced from the OWW website: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vic_Grimes&diff=73445482&oldid=73352490
From here JB went on to add citation and sources needed tags to the article because he was upset his name was removed.
49erInOregon 16:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
[ [8]] ( User:JB196 arguing with User:3bulletproof16 about WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF
[ [9]]: User:BooyakaDell invoking WP:Civil and WP:AGF and later insisting the phrase "God Forbid" violates WP:Civil [ [10]] (From today)
[ [11]] BooyakaDell refers a comment by User:Curse Of Fenric to WP:PAIN (made to another user, NOT BooyakaDell, asking a page creator to check an AfD Booyaka had started). This would not be objectionable normally (calling anyone an idiot, even to someone else, is at least a small breach of WP:NPA, but considering that the comment had taken place four days previously and that BooyakaDell had made a couple hundred of edits between the comment and reporting it, most of which had come after User:Lethaniol had asked BooyakaDell to drop the issue, (that it was a minor letting off of steam, and it wasn't even posted at Booyaka, that Booyaka actually had to actively hunt down this contribution to take offense to it.) [ [12]].
This is similar to [ [13]] by User:JB196, in that it could be construed as "forum-shopping", trying to hit as many forums as possible to try to get a friendly ear to bolster their side of the conflict. SirFozzie 23:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Starting at 11:08, the anonymous IP User:67.86.149.41 edits the Michael Depoli until 11:12, and later inserts the "Compiled by Jonathan Barber" information [ [18]]. I'm investigating, but it looks like it's constantly one or the other editing, never both at the same time, which is supsicious. Here's another pattern: 09:57-10:30 is the IP Address, 10:39-11:06 is BooyakaDell (and then as mentioned above, the IP starting at 11:08), it's all back and forth SirFozzie 23:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Let me know if this helps. SirFozzie 23:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Here is some more interesting stuff. It looks like JB has now gone "stealth" with an anon ip. Here he is reinserting "Jonathan Barber" back into several articles. Keep in mind that the Michael Depoli article was edited by BooyakaDell yesterday where the name insertion began
[27]. The anon ip then re-inserted the name later here
[28]. That same anon ip went on to insert his name into the following last night:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Amazing_Red&diff=prev&oldid=95167783
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sonjay_Dutt&diff=prev&oldid=95168665
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Trent_Acid&diff=prev&oldid=95169552
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Azriael_%28wrestler%29&diff=prev&oldid=95170598
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Deranged_%28wrestler%29&diff=prev&oldid=95171998
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wagner_Brown&diff=prev&oldid=95172440
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sonny_Siaki&diff=prev&oldid=95174754
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_S.A.T.&diff=prev&oldid=95175279
None of the links to the OWW profile include the name Jonathan Barber. It seems he would just post a link to the article with nothing else attatched to it on Paulley's page two days ago and he would fix the ref for him. [29].
He then went on to nominate the Chuck E Chaos article for deletion [30] that had been earlier marked for prod by BooyakaDell [31].
Most interestingly from last night, this anon IP that I am trying to tie to Booyaka/JB196 is this: William Welch was a wrestler for XPW, the company that Jonathan Barber wrote an in-depth history perspective on. JB196 had added some personal info on him earlier in the year that it appears that William Welch himself tried to erase from the article, but JB196 kept readding it [32]. Now the anon IP that added Jonathan Barber to all those articles has re-added the personal info that JB196 had added earlier in the year to William Welch [33]. From the above information it doesn't appear to me that these are three different people. This anon is editing the same family of articles that JB196 and BooyakaDell had been with much of the same information. 49erInOregon 13:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
(arbitrary outdent) Just a suggestion - do not revert anything as yet - just wasting your time. Wait for checkuser to come through - hopefully soon, while making a note of all the pages affected, then do the business. The JB refs are doing no harm for a few days - they are not uncivil or rude. Lethaniol 18:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh you removed my outdent :( Oh well. But more importantly what do you think will happen with the RFCU, it will be a right pain if it gets turned down - I thought this is what it was used for??? Lethaniol 00:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Time for the endgame: checkuser established that these others are the same and turned up a third we hadn't known about. I'll head over to WP:AN now. Do me a favor: let me start the thread and keep it brief and to the point. This has gone onto the administrators' noticeboards several times in the last few weeks without a nibble. Maybe the Joan of Arc investigation earned me enough clout to get attention this time. Durova Charg e! 00:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with "green" (or anon 12.30.216.138) who has been such a nuisance on talk:general relativity. The situation there is kind of odd. He was being helpful up until he removed two section from twin paradox due to my being concerned about them, and got slapped in the face with that vandalism warning at the top of his talk page. After that, he flew more and more off of the handle.
I have added a response to his complaints on his talk page. -- EMS | Talk 01:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your detective work on the JoA vandal and was wondering if Striver and several other Muslim editor's edit histories would count as the same sort of complex vandalism? Striver's habit of creating POV forks, creating articles that consist of nothing but massive reams of the Qu'ran, and votestacking using the Islam Wikiproject when someone does something he doesn't like seems to me to count as vandalism. The endless anti-Semitism and consequent destruction of Islamic-Judaic articles as both sides edit war seems to be rather similar to the JoA chap you took out. Would I have a case if I went to the complex vandalism lot with evidence of this? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
That was a very funny response, Durova, but I'd suggest DFTT. ;-) Anchoress 07:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
In the future I would recommend you leave warnings on a user's talk page instead of just on your own talk page. The case with me was that because the warnings were only on your talk page, surrounded by a bunch of other stuff, I did not see them. BooyakaDell 13:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Someone is making my life here miserable by claiming to be me and adding nonsense to my user page. I'm tired of this. If it's possible, Please delete my account so that I can just browse as a guest from now on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sean Canavi ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC).
I just saw the hornet's nest that was kicked over on WP:AN/I on the Joan of Arc stuff. Probably makes all our stuff with me, Booyaka/Curse etcetera seem petty and small. Keep Up the Good Work! SirFozzie 03:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, you said that he's added comments about a relationship with "Lee Dennison" to multiple articles? I'm aware of two different bios that have been similarly affected; has there been a third? DS 21:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Here's the diff from Essjay: [ [36]]. I think we're in the endgame here. SirFozzie 00:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I have never been into Barnstars - but when I have been given one they have made me smile - so thanks.
With respect to BooyakaDell's comments on his talk page - I am not sure what he is trying to get at. The fact that he left me a message on his talk page only 10mins after the RFCU was returned asking what was happening, is very strange, in particular that BertoBowdoin was online at 00:19 just before it was returned!! So I think BooyakaDell has been following all these proceedings with a sock of a sock watchlist - maybe.
Anyhow I suppose it does not matter any more - thanks for your very fair approach to these issues - you have gained much Kudos! 01:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
That's fine BooyakaDell - I accept that you might not have seen my Sockpuppet until it was too late - but it makes no difference to proceedings and the outcome. Again I am sorry Lethaniol 02:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The S.A.T. [ [37]] JB196 readds the Compiled by Jonathan Barber namecheck to the account, with the edit summary "→Signature moves - These moves are from my 3 and a half years in the making list.)" [ [38]] the IP address that RfCU confirmed to be BooyakaDell, reinserts the namecheck in a source statement. The page it comes from.. http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/profiles/l/los-maximos.html . Please note, there is NO indication who wrote this article at ObsessedWithWrestling (Does it qualify under WP:EL anyway? Especially as Booyaka tries to use it as a source in his article? More coming if you need it.. SirFozzie 04:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Never mind, Booyaka and the hidden account have been indefblocked on the WP:AN page. Do we need to ask for the same for the IP address (it seems rather long term/stable with Booyaka being the only one at that IP), or do we need to wait for the ban to expire and then reask for a block? SirFozzie 05:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Somebody ought to wrap up the RFC now. Durova Charg e! 05:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Even Da Women Can Be Da Man (ok my head hurts, not gonna try to even parse that logically..) I'll go to the RFC, how do we close it? SirFozzie 05:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for not getting back to you - I had to go out to purchase some groceries before I saw that you requested diffs, though I see you did find them. –– Lid( Talk) 05:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Would one of you guys create a category for JB's suspected sockpuppets to keep this organized? I'm heading to bed. Notify me if any new sockpuppets try to reopen the theater. Durova Charg e! 06:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
You keep asking how they help build an encyclopedia. But you also link to Wikipedia:Esperanza. I think that is your answer, no? Anything that builds a spirit of friendliness and co-operation and helps people get to know each other as human beings seems to me a good thing. Unlike divisive userboxes, the autograph books seem to just be about saying hello and being friendly. -- Jimbo Wales 13:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Duvora -
First of all, my thanks again for your help with "green".
Kindly be advised that I am now dealing with the flip side of semi-protection: I am in a discussion with a new user whose comments should be on that page, but who is still a couple of days away from being able to post there. Right now, I figure that "green" has learned his lesson, and probably won't bother that page before his block is up. Given that and this newbie, I am kindly asking that you remove the semi-protection now, but assure you that I will defer to your judgement in this matter if you should feel that it is unwise to do so.
Thanks in advance for you assistance in this matter, and season's greetings. -- EMS | Talk 17:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
re: Via WP:AN -- Many thanks for this! We all need a good laugh now and then! Have a great holiday! // Fra nkB 19:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Diligence | ||
For hours and hours of tireless work on finding those who detract from and disrupt Wikipedia's mission. (ok, can't resist.. "You Da Ma'am" :D) SirFozzie 19:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC) |
Durova, have you noticed User:Joan of Arc fan and User:Devotee of St Joan of Arc? I meant to mention these before, but I'm not sure if I ever did. --Akhilleus ( talk) 20:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll add 'em to the list. Check out the web of insanity that is User:Maintenance. From User:Maintenance/Allen Williamson Joan of Arc it's pretty clear that this is part of the sock farm, but aside from the mass of gibberish that makes up the main User page, there's:
There are links inside that junk, which link to other Wikipedia pages and external sites like [40]. The last page listed links to Williamson's publication about Joan's clothing. I think this is an attempt to googlebomb Allen Williamson's various publishing enterprises. Or he's just crazy. --Akhilleus ( talk) 20:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll blank Maintenance's pages. As for how I found this stuff, there's no trick, really--I just used Wikipedia's search to look for "Allen Williamson" and "Joan of Arc". In the future I'll do that search periodically to see if more sockpuppets crop up. --Akhilleus ( talk) 21:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Fenric, although I wouldn't like to lose a good editor, your statements about leaving the project have absolutely no bearing on my sysop decisions. That sort of post can serve only to cast doubt on my integrity - thereby making your situation more difficult to resolve.
I just came back from my three day break and I now know that JB/Booyaka has been indefinitely blocked. I just wanted to say thanks and also apologise for unintentionally casting any doubt on your integrity. I really needed the break - and with the ban now applied I do feel vindicated even though I'm prepared to cop some criticism for my attitude towards the whole thing even though I ended up being right all along. My excuse/reason was that I was scared of the damage JB/Booyaka was doing - and I've just come here from the RFC after noting with delight that some anon IP came up with an out for me. WP:IAR. That's the rule I was applying when reverting JB/Booyaka's edits - even though I was unaware of the rule when I did it.
Can I ask a favour of you? We lost the article on Action Zone Wrestling because of JB/Booyaka's bad faith. I was seeking some sources for it, but my mood prevented me from altering the article and I was in touch with the fed to get some info. Can you restore it? And if anyone asks, you could suggest that the nomination was made by a banned user. And can you remove any other AfD's he threw on for the same reason? Curse of Fenric 20:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed the banner on his userpage. Considering this user's talk page, and contributions, I'm quite surprised. Would you point me to some diffs? - jc37 20:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I have read your post on Striver user page [1] and cannot control myself not to reply it here. First supposition you have is that Muslim or those you were attacked by USA enemy had anything to do with 9/11. Which me (and I think striver may be too) do not accept. Those who attacked on Iraq and Afghanistan are bigger terrorist then OBL and no doubt in my mind that Bush has no comparison in terms of superiority as a terrorist as compare to OBL. --- ALM 14:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the comment. I read it before going to the ANI comment. If i had read those first, i might have ended up being offended, but reading your sincere and open message, i can not help but understand that my user page contributed to you feeling uneasy. I apologies for that, and i will try to take steps in order to help avoid or lessen the risk of that in the future. Thanks again and peace. -- Striver 17:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
GuardianZ has been blocked from Wikipedia and is unable to edit beyond his/her user talk page. He/she left a {{helpme}} asking that you be contacted since you might be able to help. Please see the comment on his/her talk page. — Purple RAIN 19:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I know you're probably busy; but I've been impressed with the way you handle disputes (like Charun) and the creative solutions you come up with for such problems as school ip vandalism, and the suicide threat.
I stumbled across this RFC Wikipedia:Requests for comment/BooyakaDell, and it looks like something you might be able to help with. I provided my opinion, but the requester really seems to want admins to respond, and your admin tools might help you to see some things (from deleted articles, etc) that could possibly clarify the sockpuppetry accusations (though if checkuser couldn't confirm it, maybe your admin tools wouldn't be much help after all). Anyway, if you wouldn't mind taking a look at it I'm sure everyone involved would be grateful. ~ ONUnicorn( Talk| Contribs) 22:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
You say that some of your diffs were removed by a clerk? That may have been a mistake; we are training up some new clerks. Can you give me a diff so I ca see what happened? You should be able to enter any evidence you want on the evidence page except diffs from a formal MedCom mediation. Ask me if you have any questions. Thatcher131 02:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)]
Durova, after investigating the archives of Talk:Joan of Arc I find myself convinced that a checkuser on User:EReference is warranted. However, if I'm reading WP:RCU properly, we need to wait until the matter of a permaban for Williamson and socks is resolved, because the alleged violation is essentially a "Vote fraud on ongoing vote", and the RCU page says to wait until after the vote is concluded to report the sock. Alternatively, we could just note in the WP:ANI thread that EReference is suspected to be a sockpupet, as you've already implied in your latest post there. --Akhilleus ( talk) 17:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Durova, You've accumulated a solid body of evidence, and gotten community support for a ban of the sockmaster and all puppets--as long as you have good reason to think an account is a sock, I think you've got the license to block it. Even without the explicit support you've been given by the community, WP:SOCK still implies that administrators can and should block any abusive sockpuppets.
I agree with you about CC80, and note that this account has been avoiding Joan-related articles. Perhaps the scrutiny is scaring him off. Do the editors of the homosexuality-related articles know about him? Would it be worth publicizing his activity on those articles' talk pages? At any rate, I'll add CC80 to the list at User:Highest-Authority-on-Joan-of-Arc-Related-Scholarship/AWilliamson sock puppets, and put in an RFCU on EReference. --Akhilleus ( talk) 06:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've blocked all the accounts that came in positive under the checkuser and added block templates, undoing the ones that were hard redirected and making sure the hidden account was also blocked. We've got a category for his sockpuppets now. It's time to write a notice to the relevant Wikiprojects, although if I know Williamson he'll probably switch tactics at this point, laying low for a while and returning in a couple of months once he thinks the heat has died down. Would you like to go ahead and post specific notices at some of the articles he's vandalized most persistently, such as cross-dressing? I don't mind if you offer my name as the primary investigating admin. Durova Charg e! 06:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey Durova, first of all, thanks for poking your head in to the RfC on User:BooyakaDell.. Other articles the IP Vandal targeted that I dealt with him was Extreme Warfare, Wrestling Spirit (BooyakaDell actually came back for this one [ [7]], and a couple other articles that have since been deleted. Howver if you look at the RfC, the biggest evidence is in a link that Booyaka/JB keeps adding to the Xtreme Pro Wrestling article, to a hosted site and articles for a "forthcoming book" that Jonathan Barber is writing called XPW: Bleeding was only half the job. It was proven that User:JB196 was Jonathan Barber in the AfD for Bleeding Was Only Half the Job, and the article he had written was deleted on grounds of WP:VAIN and WP:OR. For BooyakaDell to continually try to reinsert that link into the XPW article is proof that he is a sock of User:JB196. We've filed two WP:AN/I reports with this info, but things are pretty jammed up over there, and no admin has seemingly read/commented on it. Forgot to sign, and taking advantage to add more. If you look at WP:AN/I's archive 155, there is other observations from other editors who dealt with JB196 that the posting style (spamming tags on articles) and the signature style was the same. SirFozzie 16:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Easy there, Bookaya. My user page isn't the place to conduct a dispute. Fenric, I left some detailed suggestions about what type of other behavior to search for over at RFC talk. You'll have to do a bit more digging and show me a more convincing case than you've already presented. The question I have to ask before I come down in favor of a ban is, out of millions of wrestling fans in North America, could two of them behave this way? I've still got a reasonable doubt, which in some ways is reinforced by the way you claimed a sequential pattern of userblock/IP vandalism/registration upon semi-protection that hasn't borne up to scrutiny. Strengthen your case on some other basis if you can: you do have my attention. But it won't persuade me at all to keep pointing to the same evidence you've already given. Maybe there's more you've seen as this played out that you haven't identified explicitly. Show me exactly what that is. Durova Charg e! 22:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
That statement is not an accurate assessment. I have already _fully_ explained why I reinserted the link into the article and it has _nothing_ to do with that. Nice failure to assume good faith, though, Sirfozzie. BooyakaDell 21:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Mike_Bucci&diff=prev&oldid=95095865 http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Peter_Polaco&diff=prev&oldid=95092788 http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Christian_York&diff=prev&oldid=95091011 http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vic_Grimes&diff=94811394&oldid=91354974
Here he is adding his name to the article here which was sourced from the OWW website: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vic_Grimes&diff=73445482&oldid=73352490
From here JB went on to add citation and sources needed tags to the article because he was upset his name was removed.
49erInOregon 16:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
[ [8]] ( User:JB196 arguing with User:3bulletproof16 about WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF
[ [9]]: User:BooyakaDell invoking WP:Civil and WP:AGF and later insisting the phrase "God Forbid" violates WP:Civil [ [10]] (From today)
[ [11]] BooyakaDell refers a comment by User:Curse Of Fenric to WP:PAIN (made to another user, NOT BooyakaDell, asking a page creator to check an AfD Booyaka had started). This would not be objectionable normally (calling anyone an idiot, even to someone else, is at least a small breach of WP:NPA, but considering that the comment had taken place four days previously and that BooyakaDell had made a couple hundred of edits between the comment and reporting it, most of which had come after User:Lethaniol had asked BooyakaDell to drop the issue, (that it was a minor letting off of steam, and it wasn't even posted at Booyaka, that Booyaka actually had to actively hunt down this contribution to take offense to it.) [ [12]].
This is similar to [ [13]] by User:JB196, in that it could be construed as "forum-shopping", trying to hit as many forums as possible to try to get a friendly ear to bolster their side of the conflict. SirFozzie 23:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Starting at 11:08, the anonymous IP User:67.86.149.41 edits the Michael Depoli until 11:12, and later inserts the "Compiled by Jonathan Barber" information [ [18]]. I'm investigating, but it looks like it's constantly one or the other editing, never both at the same time, which is supsicious. Here's another pattern: 09:57-10:30 is the IP Address, 10:39-11:06 is BooyakaDell (and then as mentioned above, the IP starting at 11:08), it's all back and forth SirFozzie 23:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Let me know if this helps. SirFozzie 23:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Here is some more interesting stuff. It looks like JB has now gone "stealth" with an anon ip. Here he is reinserting "Jonathan Barber" back into several articles. Keep in mind that the Michael Depoli article was edited by BooyakaDell yesterday where the name insertion began
[27]. The anon ip then re-inserted the name later here
[28]. That same anon ip went on to insert his name into the following last night:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Amazing_Red&diff=prev&oldid=95167783
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sonjay_Dutt&diff=prev&oldid=95168665
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Trent_Acid&diff=prev&oldid=95169552
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Azriael_%28wrestler%29&diff=prev&oldid=95170598
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Deranged_%28wrestler%29&diff=prev&oldid=95171998
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wagner_Brown&diff=prev&oldid=95172440
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sonny_Siaki&diff=prev&oldid=95174754
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_S.A.T.&diff=prev&oldid=95175279
None of the links to the OWW profile include the name Jonathan Barber. It seems he would just post a link to the article with nothing else attatched to it on Paulley's page two days ago and he would fix the ref for him. [29].
He then went on to nominate the Chuck E Chaos article for deletion [30] that had been earlier marked for prod by BooyakaDell [31].
Most interestingly from last night, this anon IP that I am trying to tie to Booyaka/JB196 is this: William Welch was a wrestler for XPW, the company that Jonathan Barber wrote an in-depth history perspective on. JB196 had added some personal info on him earlier in the year that it appears that William Welch himself tried to erase from the article, but JB196 kept readding it [32]. Now the anon IP that added Jonathan Barber to all those articles has re-added the personal info that JB196 had added earlier in the year to William Welch [33]. From the above information it doesn't appear to me that these are three different people. This anon is editing the same family of articles that JB196 and BooyakaDell had been with much of the same information. 49erInOregon 13:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
(arbitrary outdent) Just a suggestion - do not revert anything as yet - just wasting your time. Wait for checkuser to come through - hopefully soon, while making a note of all the pages affected, then do the business. The JB refs are doing no harm for a few days - they are not uncivil or rude. Lethaniol 18:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh you removed my outdent :( Oh well. But more importantly what do you think will happen with the RFCU, it will be a right pain if it gets turned down - I thought this is what it was used for??? Lethaniol 00:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Time for the endgame: checkuser established that these others are the same and turned up a third we hadn't known about. I'll head over to WP:AN now. Do me a favor: let me start the thread and keep it brief and to the point. This has gone onto the administrators' noticeboards several times in the last few weeks without a nibble. Maybe the Joan of Arc investigation earned me enough clout to get attention this time. Durova Charg e! 00:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with "green" (or anon 12.30.216.138) who has been such a nuisance on talk:general relativity. The situation there is kind of odd. He was being helpful up until he removed two section from twin paradox due to my being concerned about them, and got slapped in the face with that vandalism warning at the top of his talk page. After that, he flew more and more off of the handle.
I have added a response to his complaints on his talk page. -- EMS | Talk 01:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your detective work on the JoA vandal and was wondering if Striver and several other Muslim editor's edit histories would count as the same sort of complex vandalism? Striver's habit of creating POV forks, creating articles that consist of nothing but massive reams of the Qu'ran, and votestacking using the Islam Wikiproject when someone does something he doesn't like seems to me to count as vandalism. The endless anti-Semitism and consequent destruction of Islamic-Judaic articles as both sides edit war seems to be rather similar to the JoA chap you took out. Would I have a case if I went to the complex vandalism lot with evidence of this? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
That was a very funny response, Durova, but I'd suggest DFTT. ;-) Anchoress 07:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
In the future I would recommend you leave warnings on a user's talk page instead of just on your own talk page. The case with me was that because the warnings were only on your talk page, surrounded by a bunch of other stuff, I did not see them. BooyakaDell 13:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Someone is making my life here miserable by claiming to be me and adding nonsense to my user page. I'm tired of this. If it's possible, Please delete my account so that I can just browse as a guest from now on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sean Canavi ( talk • contribs) 15:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC).
I just saw the hornet's nest that was kicked over on WP:AN/I on the Joan of Arc stuff. Probably makes all our stuff with me, Booyaka/Curse etcetera seem petty and small. Keep Up the Good Work! SirFozzie 03:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, you said that he's added comments about a relationship with "Lee Dennison" to multiple articles? I'm aware of two different bios that have been similarly affected; has there been a third? DS 21:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Here's the diff from Essjay: [ [36]]. I think we're in the endgame here. SirFozzie 00:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I have never been into Barnstars - but when I have been given one they have made me smile - so thanks.
With respect to BooyakaDell's comments on his talk page - I am not sure what he is trying to get at. The fact that he left me a message on his talk page only 10mins after the RFCU was returned asking what was happening, is very strange, in particular that BertoBowdoin was online at 00:19 just before it was returned!! So I think BooyakaDell has been following all these proceedings with a sock of a sock watchlist - maybe.
Anyhow I suppose it does not matter any more - thanks for your very fair approach to these issues - you have gained much Kudos! 01:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
That's fine BooyakaDell - I accept that you might not have seen my Sockpuppet until it was too late - but it makes no difference to proceedings and the outcome. Again I am sorry Lethaniol 02:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The S.A.T. [ [37]] JB196 readds the Compiled by Jonathan Barber namecheck to the account, with the edit summary "→Signature moves - These moves are from my 3 and a half years in the making list.)" [ [38]] the IP address that RfCU confirmed to be BooyakaDell, reinserts the namecheck in a source statement. The page it comes from.. http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/profiles/l/los-maximos.html . Please note, there is NO indication who wrote this article at ObsessedWithWrestling (Does it qualify under WP:EL anyway? Especially as Booyaka tries to use it as a source in his article? More coming if you need it.. SirFozzie 04:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Never mind, Booyaka and the hidden account have been indefblocked on the WP:AN page. Do we need to ask for the same for the IP address (it seems rather long term/stable with Booyaka being the only one at that IP), or do we need to wait for the ban to expire and then reask for a block? SirFozzie 05:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Somebody ought to wrap up the RFC now. Durova Charg e! 05:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Even Da Women Can Be Da Man (ok my head hurts, not gonna try to even parse that logically..) I'll go to the RFC, how do we close it? SirFozzie 05:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for not getting back to you - I had to go out to purchase some groceries before I saw that you requested diffs, though I see you did find them. –– Lid( Talk) 05:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Would one of you guys create a category for JB's suspected sockpuppets to keep this organized? I'm heading to bed. Notify me if any new sockpuppets try to reopen the theater. Durova Charg e! 06:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
You keep asking how they help build an encyclopedia. But you also link to Wikipedia:Esperanza. I think that is your answer, no? Anything that builds a spirit of friendliness and co-operation and helps people get to know each other as human beings seems to me a good thing. Unlike divisive userboxes, the autograph books seem to just be about saying hello and being friendly. -- Jimbo Wales 13:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Duvora -
First of all, my thanks again for your help with "green".
Kindly be advised that I am now dealing with the flip side of semi-protection: I am in a discussion with a new user whose comments should be on that page, but who is still a couple of days away from being able to post there. Right now, I figure that "green" has learned his lesson, and probably won't bother that page before his block is up. Given that and this newbie, I am kindly asking that you remove the semi-protection now, but assure you that I will defer to your judgement in this matter if you should feel that it is unwise to do so.
Thanks in advance for you assistance in this matter, and season's greetings. -- EMS | Talk 17:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
re: Via WP:AN -- Many thanks for this! We all need a good laugh now and then! Have a great holiday! // Fra nkB 19:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Diligence | ||
For hours and hours of tireless work on finding those who detract from and disrupt Wikipedia's mission. (ok, can't resist.. "You Da Ma'am" :D) SirFozzie 19:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC) |
Durova, have you noticed User:Joan of Arc fan and User:Devotee of St Joan of Arc? I meant to mention these before, but I'm not sure if I ever did. --Akhilleus ( talk) 20:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll add 'em to the list. Check out the web of insanity that is User:Maintenance. From User:Maintenance/Allen Williamson Joan of Arc it's pretty clear that this is part of the sock farm, but aside from the mass of gibberish that makes up the main User page, there's:
There are links inside that junk, which link to other Wikipedia pages and external sites like [40]. The last page listed links to Williamson's publication about Joan's clothing. I think this is an attempt to googlebomb Allen Williamson's various publishing enterprises. Or he's just crazy. --Akhilleus ( talk) 20:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll blank Maintenance's pages. As for how I found this stuff, there's no trick, really--I just used Wikipedia's search to look for "Allen Williamson" and "Joan of Arc". In the future I'll do that search periodically to see if more sockpuppets crop up. --Akhilleus ( talk) 21:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Fenric, although I wouldn't like to lose a good editor, your statements about leaving the project have absolutely no bearing on my sysop decisions. That sort of post can serve only to cast doubt on my integrity - thereby making your situation more difficult to resolve.
I just came back from my three day break and I now know that JB/Booyaka has been indefinitely blocked. I just wanted to say thanks and also apologise for unintentionally casting any doubt on your integrity. I really needed the break - and with the ban now applied I do feel vindicated even though I'm prepared to cop some criticism for my attitude towards the whole thing even though I ended up being right all along. My excuse/reason was that I was scared of the damage JB/Booyaka was doing - and I've just come here from the RFC after noting with delight that some anon IP came up with an out for me. WP:IAR. That's the rule I was applying when reverting JB/Booyaka's edits - even though I was unaware of the rule when I did it.
Can I ask a favour of you? We lost the article on Action Zone Wrestling because of JB/Booyaka's bad faith. I was seeking some sources for it, but my mood prevented me from altering the article and I was in touch with the fed to get some info. Can you restore it? And if anyone asks, you could suggest that the nomination was made by a banned user. And can you remove any other AfD's he threw on for the same reason? Curse of Fenric 20:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed the banner on his userpage. Considering this user's talk page, and contributions, I'm quite surprised. Would you point me to some diffs? - jc37 20:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)