Okay so we setup a new poll here, but can anon users vote? (I'm referring to 138.25.252.110's vote.) Zarbat 05:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Durova,
Just for the record, I answer Randroide comments,
1)The quotes are not from a blog but are from a forum in the official website of the conspirationists so one that heavily supports Pedro J. I took it from there because if were not true would have been contradicted by the administrators who are known as fanatic supporters of the "cause".
2)Randroide was simulating that he was sincerely interested in the issue so I tried to help him references and tips. I should have not been so moron since he was only trying to evade himself from the fact that El Mundo investigations are completely unsupported by any world class newspaper execept one phrase in one article in the Guardian. Anyway this issue is completely unrelated with the article and I named just to give some context. Randroide engage inmediately as a way to evade.
3)I am a person who normally works with books. If required I can offer books that explain the process that leads to the coup d'etat in 1981 and the implication of LM Anson that is well known here. The problem is that I suspect that Randroide insistence on this is just another way to evade from the main question so I will no be so moron again to engage.
Randroide is trying to use you as you probably have noticed.-- Igor21 16:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - sorry to have to raise it again. 4u1e 18:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello.
User:Deathrocker, in his talkpage, is claiming I behaved bad (I am referring to his comment against the 48 hours block). My old "friend" Kingjeff is also keeping on claiming that I edit in "bad faith" (see here for some of the other cases in which he called my edits "bad faith"). Where is the correct place to answer to their allegations? I can't keep on checking their edits to defend myself, but at the same time I cannot afford to let them attack me without countering their false (in my opinion) claims.
Best regards Panarjedde 21:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Durova,
Thanks for your amended RfC comments. I tried to explain in the PAIN - but maybe didn't do a good job - that I was under the impression that ever since the Encyclopedia Dramatica controversy, off-Wiki attacks were being taken much more seriously. I also have seen quite a AfD's where an editor pointed out that other editors were soliciting votes off-Wiki, (meatpuppetry) and had never seen anyone object to that documentation as being innappropriate content to post on-Wiki.. Considering all that, I thought that PAIN was an appropriate avenue to pursue, but I guess since there were no corresponding on-Wiki attacks DIRECTLY associated with the off-Wiki attacks, there was no proper place to complain about such an incident. - F.A.A.F.A. 23:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
WP:RFI seems to be more about direct vandalism and not bad faith editing. Kingjeff 00:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, I'm sorry I missed this comment:
If you're serious about the allegation that one editor's financial conflict of interest affects the article then I hope you can present supporting evidence. If you do have that evidence - and you may quote me as necessary - then in my opinion as an administrator the appropriate step would be to open a request at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. Note that I have only read your prose summary of the situation, not actually seen whatever evidence you may have, so this is a conditional recommendation. The dispute appears unlikely to resolve through lesser measures. DurovaCharge! 23:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
If you wish to suggest that Wikipedia bans doctors from editing articles on medicine, scientists from editing articles on science, teachers from editing articles on education, and so on - because they all have a "financial interest" in the success of the subject in question - well, this is an interesting idea. It must be noted that most encyclopedias actually seek out people with expertise in a subject, rather than people with no experience therein.
Also see WP:VANITY#COI_in_POV_disputes, which suggests that in cases of a POV dispute, "it may be easy to make claims about conflict of interest. Don't do it. This is negative advice, but the existence of conflicts of interest as a fact of life here does not mean that assume good faith is past its sell-by-date. Quite the opposite." Hgilbert 02:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but again this isn't the issue. I have no financial interest in whether Waldorf succeeds or fails. HGilbert does. That's a foul. This issue has nothing to do with whether I do good research or not - it has to do with whether HGilbert has the obligation to step down from editing the Waldorf Education article due to a conflict of interest. That's all. Nobody is suggesting he shouldn't continue editing articles about other subjects. Some of us have to spend hours arguing points with him about the language used here. He has a financial interest in the outcome of those arguments. It's like he's getting paid to argue the points. It's unfair and inappropriate. Pete K 19:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Anyone can look at the discussion pages and the edits and determine for themselves whether or not you have been defending brochure language. The article is filled with it and you've been fighting to remove the advert tag. Excuse me, but I am unable to find the diff you're pointing to that supports your claim that I am responsible for introducing brochure language. Could you provide it again or point me to it? As a Waldorf teacher, you absolutly benefit from how successful this article is in producing new customers to your school's doorstep. Without question. I won't be blackmailed by you, BTW, so if you can prove I would have any financial benefit from Waldorf's success or failure, bring it on. You don't, however, and want to tie my divorce into this. I have no financial ties to Waldorf - I don't even pay tuition. Whatever your mind has conjured up is of no relevance to this discussion - and I'm not giving you permission to bring details about my personal life here - but if you have something that you feel constitutes a financial conflict of interest and feel you can prove this, we can discuss it. You are a Waldorf teacher and you are producing brochure language on an article that can benefit you financially. This has nothing to do with POV pushing - it has to do with conflict of interest... and that conflict of interest in your case is clear and undeniable. Pete K 20:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
LOL! You demanded that I specify details about the personal nature of PLANS people's conflicts of interest, actually, Diana, which is how Pete's name came into it - I regret having agreed to give his name. The conflict of interest is still valid, though I had one detail wrong about a particular part of a legal agreement that doesn't affect the case at hand, or the general conflict of interest. Hgilbert 23:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Administrator blows referee whistle - the bottom line here is that Wikipedia's goal of providing encyclopedic information is not being achieved at this article. Productive collaboration is not occurring there, hasn't occurred in months, and people's energies are going to waste. Anyone can open a request for arbitration. Someone who knows all the angles of this dispute could open it better than I could (I'd be neutral but I'd probably miss some significant aspects). So first, consult an arbitration clerk - they're the experts on arbitration. You may mention my name as an administrator who recommended arbitration although I have no direct influcence on whether the committee actually accepts the case.
On a side note I do recommend recusal from articles whenever an editor's personal feelings interfere with objective contributions. For example, I never edit 9/11 or World Trade Center because my nearest relative was one of the last people to escape from the Twin Towers alive. I joined the armed forces and went to war because of that day - so while there's obviously quite a bit I could say on those subjects I wouldn't be good at collaborating. With due respect for the editors at Waldorf education, that's an example I'd like to hold forward for others to consider emulating. Durova Charg e! 01:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry you didn't examine Venado's citation of the diffs above, as it shows that another editor added the sections you find problematic, and that that editor is critical of Waldorf education. Please look at this quote from his post above: "It was used in this article by another editor who was critical diff and complained about "anthroposophy" people and how too much stuff is all covered up. diff Pete K changed it to put his own opinion in there or own complaint about what school websites do or don't say, diff, without any source." I hope you see that this was indeed shown on your talk page, even if you didn't take notice of it at the time (for whatever reason). Hgilbert 02:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The arbitration request is open and heading toward acceptance so you'd both really serve yourselves better by focusing your efforts there. I recommend the most heavily involved parties seek mentors and avoid continuance of the conflict on all other pages. If you haven't done so already, browse some past cases. Most of the statements in this request have been short on page diffs. Allegations carry little weight with the committee; page diffs do. It probably helps to be forthcoming about one's own mistakes and take personal initiative toward improving them as early as possible in this process. I mean this advice equally toward both sides. Durova Charg e! 05:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
What disturbs you about it? Arrow740 06:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for taking part in my RfA. The RfA was not successful, mostly because I did a pretty bad job of presenting myself. I'll run again sometime in the next few months, in the hopes that some will reconsider.
In the meantime, one of the projects I'm working on is A Wikimedia Administrator's Handbook. This is a wikibook how-to guide intended to help new administrators learn the ropes, as well as to simply "demystify" what adminship entails. If you are an administrator, please help out with writing it, particularly on the technical aspects of the tools. Both administrators and non-administrators are welcome to help link in and sort all of the various policies regarding the use of these tools on wikipedia in particular (as well as other projects: for example, I have almost no experience with how things work on wiktionary or wikinews). Users who are neither familiar with policy or the sysop tools could be of great help by asking questions about anything that's unclear. The goal is to get everything together in one place, with a narrative form designed to anticipate the reader's next question.
A second project, related but not entailed, is a book on wikimedia in general, with a history of how various policies evolved over time, interesting trivia (e.g., what the heck was "wikimoney" about?), and a history of how the wikimedia foundation itself came about and the larger issues that occurred during its history (such as the infamous "Spanish Fork").
Again, thanks for your input on the RfA, and thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide for the handbook. -- SB_Johnny| talk| books 12:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Dev920 13:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. We already tried to talk to him several times (in fact this goes now on for more then 2 years outside of Wikipedia). We also made attempts to resolve this on Wikipedia like [7] but he refused to see the facts (as in his recent attack). He decelerated peace just to start the fight again. His "Group" consists of only one person and he tries to make our lives as hard as possible. For example he removed our mailinglist from Nabble [8] where he is now banned and he has his "forum" on his site where he and his sock puppets "talk" [9]. alicia, JS and admin are the same person. I am aware that these are outside issues but I just wanted to show you that he is not a normal troll, because he will not go away (we already ignored him for 3 month). Please tell us what we can do. I am tiered of the daily look on the watchlist just to find out that he vandalized (as [10]) the page of PanoTools, removed links [11] (24.17.56.230 is his IP address) or started a new article to flame [12]). Any advice would help. Thx. -- Wuz 14:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
hi um im bored want to talk about sometnig like, how the heck do you put a photo on your user page reply to user talk: Yes my name is sarah please.
Hello Durova. I noticed that on the WP:PAIN case you suggested a request for checkuser on an account that the other party thought had a sock. I would like to extend a friendly warning that unless the user has some evidence other than a name match, this kind of report may be taken as fishing by dmcdevit or another CU administrator. Just thought I'd give a friendly notice. Take care. ✎ Wizardry Dragon ( Talk to Me) ( My Contributions) ( Page Moves) ( Support Neutrality on Wikipedia) 01:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, as far as I remember you were involved a bit in the Robert Spencer way back. User:Arrow740 argues that he is a reliable source for wikipedia [13]. Furthermore, he calls Academic scholars like Patricia Crone and Michael Sells as silly scholars [14]. I would be thankful if you could comment on that. Also, his edits are getting kind of uncivil towards Prophet Muhammad: "he had a mission as a egomaniacal anti-Semite with an unhealthy lust for booty. Report the facts, not excessive interpretation and biased wording of pro-Islam scholars." [15] Please note that the pro-Islam scholars whom he is refering is the Encyclopedia of world history , Oxford University Press. He is calling Prophet Muhammad anti-semitic. -- Aminz 06:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, He says :"The Quran contains numerous anti-semitic statements that shape Muslim views of Jews to this day". From an academic point of view this view has no support (it for example contradicts Bernard Lewis and Mark Cohen and all other scholars) and from the perspective of wikipedia, it is incivility. -- Aminz 10:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, He is now accusing prophet muhammad as anti-semitic, the position which no *scholar* have ever taken. Anti-semitism was a western phenomenon. See what kind of editors I have to deal with. P.S. some academic quotes:
"There is nothing in medieval Islam which could specifically be called anti-semitism", Claude Cahen, a distinguished Islamic historian states by comparing medieval Christendom and medieval Islam. Bernard Lewis states that "In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is non-theological. It is not related to any specific Islamic doctrine, nor to any specific circumstance in Islamic sacred history." -- Aminz 10:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Aminz has ceased to make constructive edits in Criticism of the Qur'an, and did not respond to my questions and comments on the talk page and in the edit summaries before reverting hours' worth of edits wholesale. Isn't there some kind of penalty for that sort of behavior? Arrow740 11:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Per WP:NOR, Wikipedia can't advance a hypothesis that Muhammad was anti-semitic unless some scholar somewhere has written that opinion. Like it or not, people who hold Ph.D. degrees in a subject and who publish through non-vanity presses about their field of expertise meet the definition of reliable sources. A particular Wikipedia article won't necessarily cite all of them per the undue weight clause at WP:NPOV. However, an assertion that the Ph.D. is biased or that this person's publisher is biased is not itself a reason to challenge suitability as an encyclopedic source even if that assertion is true. The appropriate solution to such perceived biases is to cite other reliable sources that reflect other views. Durova Charg e! 12:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, you provided me a civility warning a few weeks back. Unfortunately, in doing so you have "fed the troll" in Duke53 and his cohart Sqrnjn. Could you please review the edit history on Talk:Mountain Meadows massacre and the article itself. It has become an edit war and Duke has threatened to revert everyone that counters his position. Between the two of them they accuse everyone else of vandalism as the revert others. The article should be frozen (can't think of correct term) until a solution is achieved. Any assisttance would be appreciated. There is already an admin involved in the editing but he, appropriately, is not able to act as an admin in this situation. You will note that I have posted warnings. Storm Rider (talk) 23:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I would really appreciate it if you could make contact. I'm not looking for conflict, I would appreciate the opportunity to make you aware of the bigger picture surrounding my ban. Donnacha 23:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Somebody you blocked, User:The_Kinslayer, seems to be looking for trouble... [16]. Just thought I'd bring that to your attention. — Lantoka ( talk | contrib) 09:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the story with this situation? Should there be a checkuser? And why did you "recuse" yourself? — Centrx→ talk • 21:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The present page on WP:COI describes one type of conflict of interest, based on a wish to promote or put an activity or person in a positive light, because you have a very personal relation to the subject of an article, including an economical interest in putting it in a positive light.
What the WP:COI page does not mention is the opposite, that someone may have a more or less strong motivation to put a subject, a company, an activity or a person in a negative light, based on a more or less strong negative personal relation to it for one or other reason.
You may feel that you have been hurt of suffered damages in relation to some person, a company or other activity.
You have had a number of manuscripts rejected by a publishing company, or you think - rightly or wrongly - that some company has been the cause of a disease of a child of yours. You may have been a member of a band, gotten in conflict with the others and having had to leave, or working for a company and then having been fired, putting you in deep financial trouble.
To the most negative personal relations belong more or less bitter divorces.
One such would be the separation since May 2006 and divorce between Paul_McCartney and Heather_Mills_McCartney. How would Wikipedia consider the editing by one of them of the article on the other person after that divorce?
Another type of example would be a couple that have been married for long, and then divorce bitterly maybe partly based on diverging life views. They have their children in one or other special school form, and disagree over whether their children should continue in that special school, becoming part of a custody issue. One spouse may strongly support it, the other is strongly against it. One spouse may have a stronger relation to the school than just being a parent, maybe working there, even as a teacher, with even, at worst..., the "classical" mother-in-law or a father-in-law having a strong personal relation to the school, maybe even working there and supporting the divorce.
As one result, the spouse opposed to the school, in connection with or after the divorce, may start to write extensively in a negative way about the school or school form in different media or internet fora, maybe feeling it has been the primary cause of the divorce. How would Wikipedia view that as a basis for editing Wikipedia articles related to the school or school form?
Or Valentina Pedroni, the divorcing wife of Arun Nayar, about to then marry Liz Hurley, would start to edit the article on Elizabeth_Hurley. How would you view it if Pedroni started editing the Wikipedia article on Hurley?
Or Samantha_Lewes, former spouse of Tom_Hanks, recently accused of having abused his ex-wife, and she, if she had been still alive, had started editing the Wikipedia article on him.
Here (above) at your Talks page, you tell that you do not participate in the editing of the Wiki articles on World_Trade_Center and 9/11, because your nearest relative was one of the last people to escape alive and that you joined the military and went to war because of that day.
This is a principle question: how would you judge the different possible cases described, and is there a Wikipedia policy or guideline, not only on the "positively" biased interest, described by WP:COI, but also on this type of strongly emotionally negative relation as a conflict of interest somewhere?
Or - just seeing this - would you consider the official Wikipedia policy described at WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground to be the policy applicable in the hypothetical cases described?
Thanks, Thebee 15:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
PeteK, the level of aggression, personal attacks and incivility you have let loose and displayed here at Wikipedia against different people from the first day you arrived here on 20 Aug, defended by and defending DianaW, probably to most stand out as puzzling and difficult to understand.
One external observer has commented:
You have been asked a number of times without success to stop your personal attacks and stay civil, 1 Sept., 11 Sep. (leading to a follow up condescending comment on the request 15 Sept.), 6 Sept., 14 Sept., 5 Oct., another one the same day, 5 Oct., 23 Oct., 26 Oct., 29 Oct. and 31 Oct..
At my talks page you describe your highly emotional negative view of and relation to Waldorf education and schools as the basis for what you write here, defend your repeated aggression here at Wikipedia, and tell that you feel no remorse about it.
You have also told that you are a divorced Waldorf parent, and that two of your children, in spite of your extremely negative view of and relation to Waldorf education, go to a Waldorf school accross the street.
At my site, I describe my background and among other things my relation to Waldorf education, and my experience during a number of years of the small anti-Waldorf fringe group PLANS in S.F., that you in cooperation with Diana intensely work at defending here at Wikipedia.
Above, I give a hypothetical description of a situation, that I know in different instances reflects aspects of relations between divorced Waldorf parents, where one divorced spouse more or less strongly supports that one of more of the children involved continues to go to a Waldorf school, while the other has become a more or less public and vocal Waldorf critic, and at times search for and extensively try to defame the Waldorf school, in those cases as part of a custody dispute.
You write:
Why not tell yourself what of my hypothetical description above is or is not applicable in your case, to make understandable your repeatedly high level of aggression towards Waldorf education, and basically all people who seem to be more or less exlicit supporters of it, and to make clear if what you write here in articles on and related to Waldorf education corresponds to and falls within the Wikipedia policy on what Wikipedia is and what it is not, as you have tried to clarify in relation to editor Hgilbert? Thanks, Thebee 17:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I've already blown the referee whistle and made my call: take it to arbitration. Durova Charg e! 22:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Durova, You might have noticed that there's a dispute in progress on Joan of Arc bibliography about the specific issue of whether Hobbins' new translation of the trial transcripts should be included. As the editor who started the article, would you care to comment? One of the things I'm curious is just how inclusive/selective the bibliography was intended to be. --Akhilleus ( talk) 17:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry to have to bother you again. Problems associated with the user E.Shubee have continued unabated since the lifting of his one-week block. Despite a "last warning" by user Maniwar for personal attacks issued on 19th October, 2006, he has since continued to make a number of unwarranted and personal attacks against users who have been posting contributions to Adventist related pages, such as the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church entry that I have been attempting to improve. In so doing, I have welcomed constructive criticism by editor JBKramer, and have done as all neutral commentators have suggested.
After the warning, E.Shubee accused user MyNameIsNotBob of "extreme, militant anti-Adventism" "purposely overlooking Wikipedia rules on notability and verifiability," because he disagreed with E.Shubee's proposed changes, which I also consider quite biased and unnecessary. Two days ago he accused me of being someone else (an individual named Walter McGill) and saying that I was not only misrepresenting myself, disguising my identity and providing false information on my user page, but also promoting "Notorious deception, delusion and fraud" by contributing to the article. Since he believes that the CSDA Church only has "four members," I imagine this is part of the reason he thinks that I am this other person since I happen to also be a member of that Church.
At almost every possible instance has sought to slip in inflammatory terms, links to his own personal research (that has already been disqualified by both editors and administrators as a valid resource) and weasel-words to the article mentioned above and its associated talk page. He has made it clear (from his comments to me and the content of his website and attempted contributions) that his reasons for this have less to do with interest for distributing neutrally-toned information and far more to do with a personal grudge. I realize that this is strong language, but I believe that this is a suitable description given the things he has said.
He has not shown any sign of seeking to communicate with other editors in a reasonable manner, and when confronted he will say that since he is a "true Seventh-day Adventist" anyone who opposes him is fulfilling some sort of conspiracy prophecy (as he states openly on his "talk" page).
Thank you for your time. Zahakiel 20:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I spearheaded the "university students' Wikipedia survey" which you recently filled out. I thank you for your well-spoken input. It was one of the most insightful essays into the experiences of a Wikipedian I have read of many hundreds.
I hope to conceive of further questions for you in the near future. In the meantime, thanks again.
-jamie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration
Hi Durova
First of all thanks for making an insightful and positive statement about the shennanigins surrounding the Steiner family of articles. I just want to clear up one thing: The allegations of 'brochure language' are being directed at TheBee and HGilbert, not PeteK and DianeW. When HGilbert complains about 'brochure language', he is actually complaining about this complaint being made against him (if you catch my drift). I completely agree with the rest of your assessment, it is the best statement made so far, but you might want to correct that one error. -- Fergie 10:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I posted this to the personal attack noticeboard, but in case you didn't see it there -- Please read the personal attacks on my job ( [17] [18], which have nothing to do with the edit dispute. Isarig is citing disputes with other editors and totally mischaracterizing the debate on the Juan Cole page. The personal attacks are way out of line. csloat 20:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Dear Durova,
Thank you for not deleting my complaint and for prompting me to read how to use diffs. In my haste to get the attacks stopped, I didn't notice the guide at the top of the page. At your earliest convenience, please arbitrate the complaint. I think it is a pressing matter because, when I read his user page, I become concerned that this is a dangerous individual with a volatile personality. I am especially concerned when I see the veiled threats he has made on the complaints page, itself, about calling me at home to "discuss" the matter. Thank you. Sam 02:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Pardon me, but do my diffs not already show him calling me "a troll," "a liar," and "a failed writer"? Please see this one [19] The attacks are in the green highlighted section (green in my browser, anyway.) None of those are content disputes, surely.
Further, this user shows some serious contempt for the process by carrying on on the personal attacks intervention board. That's where you will find the veiled threat to telephone me about all this. How do I diff to that? When you see stuff like that from a guy who boasts about his background as much as he does, on his user page, it's something a prudent man has to take seriously. Thanks, again. Sam 03:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Look, I gave you a link of my special contributions. I only want to remove them, please help. There has to be a way to remove my special contributions because I don't want to see them for the rest of my whole life. Please give me tipps, who shall I contact to remove my contributions. 193.154.194.38 10:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Randroide 12:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC) Hi, Durova. More bad news:
Good hello. I've listed diffs and relvant links for you at [22]. I will happily abide by whatever the investigators and arbitrators feel is best. On a side note, I saw from one of your posts taht you are a combat veteran (as am I, Panama with the 7th Light Infantry and the 1st Gulf War with the XVIII Airborne Corps) and I was curious as to when, where and with what organization.? If this is too personal a question please feel free to tell me to piss off (I'll take no offence), but I am curious. Cheers. L0b0t 15:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I drop by the noticeboard from time to time when I'm particularly bored and often have occasion to see your always cogent and cordial work there; I was, though, especially impressed by this, most prominently the pithy ultimate two sentences thereof. I'd leave you {{ The Barnstar of Diligence}}, but my general disfavoring of PAIN (as, for various reasons, unnecessary and sometimes, by the fact of its existence, disruptive) might morally prohibit my awarding a barnstar for contributions made on such noticeboard; you'll have, I regret to say, to settle for my sincerest compliments: good on ya! :) Joe 04:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
The user Sudharsansn has blanked my edits several times in his own talk page. [23]
And he justify it with comments I get to choose what stays and what does not [24]
[25] for these actions [26], [27]
thank you -- Iwazaki 17:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
look how all these started.I merely ask him not to make insults regarding my race.see my post and his reply [31]
Then he came up with this amazing reply, questioning my morals and saying i have no right to question him!! And called my comments stupid and asked me to stay away from his page.sounds like a threat!! [32]
Also, he has written something like "i love you" in my talk page and i asked him not say such a things. i love you. he has even deleted that !! SO ,he's basically deleting everything unfavourable to him.Isnt this a perfect examples of vanalism ??? And,only after that i gave him a couple of warnings(diffs given in my first post)And not surprisingly everything end up in the dust bin. I have given a summary of all my warnings, and hopefully admins wont miss them.But, isnt it better to have them back, in the talk page ??Where it really deserved to be. thanks -- Iwazaki 04:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Iwazaki, this isn't vandalism and it isn't against policy. It's rather dishonest and rude, but not illegal here. Basically, as long as you're not making death threats or advocating child pornography, you're free to do what you want with your user/usertalk pages. What you can do is copy the discussion, with your replies, and keep them on your talk page. Don't worry, though, the history of the discussions on his talk page is kept, so if anyone needs to see if this user has been uncivil, he can. And any admin worth the paper their diploma isn't printed on knows you need to look at the edit summaries for prior warnings. As for his attacks on you, they're not really strong enough to warrant further attention. The best thing to do would be to not feed the troll if you feel this user is annoying you. Just ignore him, and concentrate on more important things, such as the encyclopaedia itself. yandman 07:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 01:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
If you're online (I hope so) can you please check this? There's a Brazilian user editing info to exclude Mexico from several topics. He's reverting some articles in order to favor the "image of Brazil" and is being very uncivil.
The articles are Newly industrialized countries and Emerging markets. He also used personal humilliating attacks on my user page User_talk:AlexCovarrubias.
I tried to talk to him telling him that all that information was cited and verifiable (I even googled some info in portuguese because he doesn't seem to speak english User_talk:João_Felipe_C.S) and he continues to blank the info I added. Please take a look, I'm kinda sad this happened. Alex Covarrubias ( Let's talk! ) 01:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I hope it wasn't improper for me to post there. I responded to your request and provided diffs here. Is this helpful, or should I be "minding my own business"? -- Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 04:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I am aware that he was a Democrat from the south, but when you refer to "Southern Democrats" that means that they are Conservative Democrats, Confederate supporters, or Dixiecrats.
Hi Durova, with regard to the PAIN report on Iwazaki I would like to make it extremely clear that the user is only pointing to a non-existent problem to escape from the accusations that have been levelled at him.
Though I do not have to respond to his accusations in that thread, it is pretty much common-sense for anyone to understand that my comments should not be read as an isolated phrase but as one clause in a sequence of conversations. My usage of the term 'Sinhala goons' was a contextual remark and not an attack or anywhere close to being one. As per Durova's very own remark, there really is no evidence as such because it should be read in a sequence of events and discussions and not as a stand-out phrase. This is like highlighting only bad when we say that children should not be bad, I can't believe that somebody is actually pointing out to such a trivial remark when there is something on him. Neither did I have an idea of floating such a userbox nor did I create one. It was a casual remark mentioned as a counter for the "This user supports the killing of Tamils", which points to people of my race, which was in Iwazaki's userpage and was created by User:Lahiru_k
I would request you to look into the actual report and not let Iwazaki show that such escapism can let him go scot-free. Thanks Sudharsansn ( talk • contribs) 11:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Are you a ILX/ILM regular? Probably not. In that case, I ask you to unprotect I Love Music and allow correct edits be made to that entry without reckless reverting. 220.253.117.129 10:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay so we setup a new poll here, but can anon users vote? (I'm referring to 138.25.252.110's vote.) Zarbat 05:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Durova,
Just for the record, I answer Randroide comments,
1)The quotes are not from a blog but are from a forum in the official website of the conspirationists so one that heavily supports Pedro J. I took it from there because if were not true would have been contradicted by the administrators who are known as fanatic supporters of the "cause".
2)Randroide was simulating that he was sincerely interested in the issue so I tried to help him references and tips. I should have not been so moron since he was only trying to evade himself from the fact that El Mundo investigations are completely unsupported by any world class newspaper execept one phrase in one article in the Guardian. Anyway this issue is completely unrelated with the article and I named just to give some context. Randroide engage inmediately as a way to evade.
3)I am a person who normally works with books. If required I can offer books that explain the process that leads to the coup d'etat in 1981 and the implication of LM Anson that is well known here. The problem is that I suspect that Randroide insistence on this is just another way to evade from the main question so I will no be so moron again to engage.
Randroide is trying to use you as you probably have noticed.-- Igor21 16:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - sorry to have to raise it again. 4u1e 18:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello.
User:Deathrocker, in his talkpage, is claiming I behaved bad (I am referring to his comment against the 48 hours block). My old "friend" Kingjeff is also keeping on claiming that I edit in "bad faith" (see here for some of the other cases in which he called my edits "bad faith"). Where is the correct place to answer to their allegations? I can't keep on checking their edits to defend myself, but at the same time I cannot afford to let them attack me without countering their false (in my opinion) claims.
Best regards Panarjedde 21:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Durova,
Thanks for your amended RfC comments. I tried to explain in the PAIN - but maybe didn't do a good job - that I was under the impression that ever since the Encyclopedia Dramatica controversy, off-Wiki attacks were being taken much more seriously. I also have seen quite a AfD's where an editor pointed out that other editors were soliciting votes off-Wiki, (meatpuppetry) and had never seen anyone object to that documentation as being innappropriate content to post on-Wiki.. Considering all that, I thought that PAIN was an appropriate avenue to pursue, but I guess since there were no corresponding on-Wiki attacks DIRECTLY associated with the off-Wiki attacks, there was no proper place to complain about such an incident. - F.A.A.F.A. 23:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
WP:RFI seems to be more about direct vandalism and not bad faith editing. Kingjeff 00:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, I'm sorry I missed this comment:
If you're serious about the allegation that one editor's financial conflict of interest affects the article then I hope you can present supporting evidence. If you do have that evidence - and you may quote me as necessary - then in my opinion as an administrator the appropriate step would be to open a request at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. Note that I have only read your prose summary of the situation, not actually seen whatever evidence you may have, so this is a conditional recommendation. The dispute appears unlikely to resolve through lesser measures. DurovaCharge! 23:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
If you wish to suggest that Wikipedia bans doctors from editing articles on medicine, scientists from editing articles on science, teachers from editing articles on education, and so on - because they all have a "financial interest" in the success of the subject in question - well, this is an interesting idea. It must be noted that most encyclopedias actually seek out people with expertise in a subject, rather than people with no experience therein.
Also see WP:VANITY#COI_in_POV_disputes, which suggests that in cases of a POV dispute, "it may be easy to make claims about conflict of interest. Don't do it. This is negative advice, but the existence of conflicts of interest as a fact of life here does not mean that assume good faith is past its sell-by-date. Quite the opposite." Hgilbert 02:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but again this isn't the issue. I have no financial interest in whether Waldorf succeeds or fails. HGilbert does. That's a foul. This issue has nothing to do with whether I do good research or not - it has to do with whether HGilbert has the obligation to step down from editing the Waldorf Education article due to a conflict of interest. That's all. Nobody is suggesting he shouldn't continue editing articles about other subjects. Some of us have to spend hours arguing points with him about the language used here. He has a financial interest in the outcome of those arguments. It's like he's getting paid to argue the points. It's unfair and inappropriate. Pete K 19:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Anyone can look at the discussion pages and the edits and determine for themselves whether or not you have been defending brochure language. The article is filled with it and you've been fighting to remove the advert tag. Excuse me, but I am unable to find the diff you're pointing to that supports your claim that I am responsible for introducing brochure language. Could you provide it again or point me to it? As a Waldorf teacher, you absolutly benefit from how successful this article is in producing new customers to your school's doorstep. Without question. I won't be blackmailed by you, BTW, so if you can prove I would have any financial benefit from Waldorf's success or failure, bring it on. You don't, however, and want to tie my divorce into this. I have no financial ties to Waldorf - I don't even pay tuition. Whatever your mind has conjured up is of no relevance to this discussion - and I'm not giving you permission to bring details about my personal life here - but if you have something that you feel constitutes a financial conflict of interest and feel you can prove this, we can discuss it. You are a Waldorf teacher and you are producing brochure language on an article that can benefit you financially. This has nothing to do with POV pushing - it has to do with conflict of interest... and that conflict of interest in your case is clear and undeniable. Pete K 20:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
LOL! You demanded that I specify details about the personal nature of PLANS people's conflicts of interest, actually, Diana, which is how Pete's name came into it - I regret having agreed to give his name. The conflict of interest is still valid, though I had one detail wrong about a particular part of a legal agreement that doesn't affect the case at hand, or the general conflict of interest. Hgilbert 23:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Administrator blows referee whistle - the bottom line here is that Wikipedia's goal of providing encyclopedic information is not being achieved at this article. Productive collaboration is not occurring there, hasn't occurred in months, and people's energies are going to waste. Anyone can open a request for arbitration. Someone who knows all the angles of this dispute could open it better than I could (I'd be neutral but I'd probably miss some significant aspects). So first, consult an arbitration clerk - they're the experts on arbitration. You may mention my name as an administrator who recommended arbitration although I have no direct influcence on whether the committee actually accepts the case.
On a side note I do recommend recusal from articles whenever an editor's personal feelings interfere with objective contributions. For example, I never edit 9/11 or World Trade Center because my nearest relative was one of the last people to escape from the Twin Towers alive. I joined the armed forces and went to war because of that day - so while there's obviously quite a bit I could say on those subjects I wouldn't be good at collaborating. With due respect for the editors at Waldorf education, that's an example I'd like to hold forward for others to consider emulating. Durova Charg e! 01:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry you didn't examine Venado's citation of the diffs above, as it shows that another editor added the sections you find problematic, and that that editor is critical of Waldorf education. Please look at this quote from his post above: "It was used in this article by another editor who was critical diff and complained about "anthroposophy" people and how too much stuff is all covered up. diff Pete K changed it to put his own opinion in there or own complaint about what school websites do or don't say, diff, without any source." I hope you see that this was indeed shown on your talk page, even if you didn't take notice of it at the time (for whatever reason). Hgilbert 02:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The arbitration request is open and heading toward acceptance so you'd both really serve yourselves better by focusing your efforts there. I recommend the most heavily involved parties seek mentors and avoid continuance of the conflict on all other pages. If you haven't done so already, browse some past cases. Most of the statements in this request have been short on page diffs. Allegations carry little weight with the committee; page diffs do. It probably helps to be forthcoming about one's own mistakes and take personal initiative toward improving them as early as possible in this process. I mean this advice equally toward both sides. Durova Charg e! 05:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
What disturbs you about it? Arrow740 06:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for taking part in my RfA. The RfA was not successful, mostly because I did a pretty bad job of presenting myself. I'll run again sometime in the next few months, in the hopes that some will reconsider.
In the meantime, one of the projects I'm working on is A Wikimedia Administrator's Handbook. This is a wikibook how-to guide intended to help new administrators learn the ropes, as well as to simply "demystify" what adminship entails. If you are an administrator, please help out with writing it, particularly on the technical aspects of the tools. Both administrators and non-administrators are welcome to help link in and sort all of the various policies regarding the use of these tools on wikipedia in particular (as well as other projects: for example, I have almost no experience with how things work on wiktionary or wikinews). Users who are neither familiar with policy or the sysop tools could be of great help by asking questions about anything that's unclear. The goal is to get everything together in one place, with a narrative form designed to anticipate the reader's next question.
A second project, related but not entailed, is a book on wikimedia in general, with a history of how various policies evolved over time, interesting trivia (e.g., what the heck was "wikimoney" about?), and a history of how the wikimedia foundation itself came about and the larger issues that occurred during its history (such as the infamous "Spanish Fork").
Again, thanks for your input on the RfA, and thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide for the handbook. -- SB_Johnny| talk| books 12:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Dev920 13:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. We already tried to talk to him several times (in fact this goes now on for more then 2 years outside of Wikipedia). We also made attempts to resolve this on Wikipedia like [7] but he refused to see the facts (as in his recent attack). He decelerated peace just to start the fight again. His "Group" consists of only one person and he tries to make our lives as hard as possible. For example he removed our mailinglist from Nabble [8] where he is now banned and he has his "forum" on his site where he and his sock puppets "talk" [9]. alicia, JS and admin are the same person. I am aware that these are outside issues but I just wanted to show you that he is not a normal troll, because he will not go away (we already ignored him for 3 month). Please tell us what we can do. I am tiered of the daily look on the watchlist just to find out that he vandalized (as [10]) the page of PanoTools, removed links [11] (24.17.56.230 is his IP address) or started a new article to flame [12]). Any advice would help. Thx. -- Wuz 14:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
hi um im bored want to talk about sometnig like, how the heck do you put a photo on your user page reply to user talk: Yes my name is sarah please.
Hello Durova. I noticed that on the WP:PAIN case you suggested a request for checkuser on an account that the other party thought had a sock. I would like to extend a friendly warning that unless the user has some evidence other than a name match, this kind of report may be taken as fishing by dmcdevit or another CU administrator. Just thought I'd give a friendly notice. Take care. ✎ Wizardry Dragon ( Talk to Me) ( My Contributions) ( Page Moves) ( Support Neutrality on Wikipedia) 01:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, as far as I remember you were involved a bit in the Robert Spencer way back. User:Arrow740 argues that he is a reliable source for wikipedia [13]. Furthermore, he calls Academic scholars like Patricia Crone and Michael Sells as silly scholars [14]. I would be thankful if you could comment on that. Also, his edits are getting kind of uncivil towards Prophet Muhammad: "he had a mission as a egomaniacal anti-Semite with an unhealthy lust for booty. Report the facts, not excessive interpretation and biased wording of pro-Islam scholars." [15] Please note that the pro-Islam scholars whom he is refering is the Encyclopedia of world history , Oxford University Press. He is calling Prophet Muhammad anti-semitic. -- Aminz 06:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, He says :"The Quran contains numerous anti-semitic statements that shape Muslim views of Jews to this day". From an academic point of view this view has no support (it for example contradicts Bernard Lewis and Mark Cohen and all other scholars) and from the perspective of wikipedia, it is incivility. -- Aminz 10:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, He is now accusing prophet muhammad as anti-semitic, the position which no *scholar* have ever taken. Anti-semitism was a western phenomenon. See what kind of editors I have to deal with. P.S. some academic quotes:
"There is nothing in medieval Islam which could specifically be called anti-semitism", Claude Cahen, a distinguished Islamic historian states by comparing medieval Christendom and medieval Islam. Bernard Lewis states that "In Islamic society hostility to the Jew is non-theological. It is not related to any specific Islamic doctrine, nor to any specific circumstance in Islamic sacred history." -- Aminz 10:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Aminz has ceased to make constructive edits in Criticism of the Qur'an, and did not respond to my questions and comments on the talk page and in the edit summaries before reverting hours' worth of edits wholesale. Isn't there some kind of penalty for that sort of behavior? Arrow740 11:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Per WP:NOR, Wikipedia can't advance a hypothesis that Muhammad was anti-semitic unless some scholar somewhere has written that opinion. Like it or not, people who hold Ph.D. degrees in a subject and who publish through non-vanity presses about their field of expertise meet the definition of reliable sources. A particular Wikipedia article won't necessarily cite all of them per the undue weight clause at WP:NPOV. However, an assertion that the Ph.D. is biased or that this person's publisher is biased is not itself a reason to challenge suitability as an encyclopedic source even if that assertion is true. The appropriate solution to such perceived biases is to cite other reliable sources that reflect other views. Durova Charg e! 12:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Durova, you provided me a civility warning a few weeks back. Unfortunately, in doing so you have "fed the troll" in Duke53 and his cohart Sqrnjn. Could you please review the edit history on Talk:Mountain Meadows massacre and the article itself. It has become an edit war and Duke has threatened to revert everyone that counters his position. Between the two of them they accuse everyone else of vandalism as the revert others. The article should be frozen (can't think of correct term) until a solution is achieved. Any assisttance would be appreciated. There is already an admin involved in the editing but he, appropriately, is not able to act as an admin in this situation. You will note that I have posted warnings. Storm Rider (talk) 23:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I would really appreciate it if you could make contact. I'm not looking for conflict, I would appreciate the opportunity to make you aware of the bigger picture surrounding my ban. Donnacha 23:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Somebody you blocked, User:The_Kinslayer, seems to be looking for trouble... [16]. Just thought I'd bring that to your attention. — Lantoka ( talk | contrib) 09:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the story with this situation? Should there be a checkuser? And why did you "recuse" yourself? — Centrx→ talk • 21:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The present page on WP:COI describes one type of conflict of interest, based on a wish to promote or put an activity or person in a positive light, because you have a very personal relation to the subject of an article, including an economical interest in putting it in a positive light.
What the WP:COI page does not mention is the opposite, that someone may have a more or less strong motivation to put a subject, a company, an activity or a person in a negative light, based on a more or less strong negative personal relation to it for one or other reason.
You may feel that you have been hurt of suffered damages in relation to some person, a company or other activity.
You have had a number of manuscripts rejected by a publishing company, or you think - rightly or wrongly - that some company has been the cause of a disease of a child of yours. You may have been a member of a band, gotten in conflict with the others and having had to leave, or working for a company and then having been fired, putting you in deep financial trouble.
To the most negative personal relations belong more or less bitter divorces.
One such would be the separation since May 2006 and divorce between Paul_McCartney and Heather_Mills_McCartney. How would Wikipedia consider the editing by one of them of the article on the other person after that divorce?
Another type of example would be a couple that have been married for long, and then divorce bitterly maybe partly based on diverging life views. They have their children in one or other special school form, and disagree over whether their children should continue in that special school, becoming part of a custody issue. One spouse may strongly support it, the other is strongly against it. One spouse may have a stronger relation to the school than just being a parent, maybe working there, even as a teacher, with even, at worst..., the "classical" mother-in-law or a father-in-law having a strong personal relation to the school, maybe even working there and supporting the divorce.
As one result, the spouse opposed to the school, in connection with or after the divorce, may start to write extensively in a negative way about the school or school form in different media or internet fora, maybe feeling it has been the primary cause of the divorce. How would Wikipedia view that as a basis for editing Wikipedia articles related to the school or school form?
Or Valentina Pedroni, the divorcing wife of Arun Nayar, about to then marry Liz Hurley, would start to edit the article on Elizabeth_Hurley. How would you view it if Pedroni started editing the Wikipedia article on Hurley?
Or Samantha_Lewes, former spouse of Tom_Hanks, recently accused of having abused his ex-wife, and she, if she had been still alive, had started editing the Wikipedia article on him.
Here (above) at your Talks page, you tell that you do not participate in the editing of the Wiki articles on World_Trade_Center and 9/11, because your nearest relative was one of the last people to escape alive and that you joined the military and went to war because of that day.
This is a principle question: how would you judge the different possible cases described, and is there a Wikipedia policy or guideline, not only on the "positively" biased interest, described by WP:COI, but also on this type of strongly emotionally negative relation as a conflict of interest somewhere?
Or - just seeing this - would you consider the official Wikipedia policy described at WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground to be the policy applicable in the hypothetical cases described?
Thanks, Thebee 15:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
PeteK, the level of aggression, personal attacks and incivility you have let loose and displayed here at Wikipedia against different people from the first day you arrived here on 20 Aug, defended by and defending DianaW, probably to most stand out as puzzling and difficult to understand.
One external observer has commented:
You have been asked a number of times without success to stop your personal attacks and stay civil, 1 Sept., 11 Sep. (leading to a follow up condescending comment on the request 15 Sept.), 6 Sept., 14 Sept., 5 Oct., another one the same day, 5 Oct., 23 Oct., 26 Oct., 29 Oct. and 31 Oct..
At my talks page you describe your highly emotional negative view of and relation to Waldorf education and schools as the basis for what you write here, defend your repeated aggression here at Wikipedia, and tell that you feel no remorse about it.
You have also told that you are a divorced Waldorf parent, and that two of your children, in spite of your extremely negative view of and relation to Waldorf education, go to a Waldorf school accross the street.
At my site, I describe my background and among other things my relation to Waldorf education, and my experience during a number of years of the small anti-Waldorf fringe group PLANS in S.F., that you in cooperation with Diana intensely work at defending here at Wikipedia.
Above, I give a hypothetical description of a situation, that I know in different instances reflects aspects of relations between divorced Waldorf parents, where one divorced spouse more or less strongly supports that one of more of the children involved continues to go to a Waldorf school, while the other has become a more or less public and vocal Waldorf critic, and at times search for and extensively try to defame the Waldorf school, in those cases as part of a custody dispute.
You write:
Why not tell yourself what of my hypothetical description above is or is not applicable in your case, to make understandable your repeatedly high level of aggression towards Waldorf education, and basically all people who seem to be more or less exlicit supporters of it, and to make clear if what you write here in articles on and related to Waldorf education corresponds to and falls within the Wikipedia policy on what Wikipedia is and what it is not, as you have tried to clarify in relation to editor Hgilbert? Thanks, Thebee 17:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I've already blown the referee whistle and made my call: take it to arbitration. Durova Charg e! 22:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Durova, You might have noticed that there's a dispute in progress on Joan of Arc bibliography about the specific issue of whether Hobbins' new translation of the trial transcripts should be included. As the editor who started the article, would you care to comment? One of the things I'm curious is just how inclusive/selective the bibliography was intended to be. --Akhilleus ( talk) 17:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry to have to bother you again. Problems associated with the user E.Shubee have continued unabated since the lifting of his one-week block. Despite a "last warning" by user Maniwar for personal attacks issued on 19th October, 2006, he has since continued to make a number of unwarranted and personal attacks against users who have been posting contributions to Adventist related pages, such as the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church entry that I have been attempting to improve. In so doing, I have welcomed constructive criticism by editor JBKramer, and have done as all neutral commentators have suggested.
After the warning, E.Shubee accused user MyNameIsNotBob of "extreme, militant anti-Adventism" "purposely overlooking Wikipedia rules on notability and verifiability," because he disagreed with E.Shubee's proposed changes, which I also consider quite biased and unnecessary. Two days ago he accused me of being someone else (an individual named Walter McGill) and saying that I was not only misrepresenting myself, disguising my identity and providing false information on my user page, but also promoting "Notorious deception, delusion and fraud" by contributing to the article. Since he believes that the CSDA Church only has "four members," I imagine this is part of the reason he thinks that I am this other person since I happen to also be a member of that Church.
At almost every possible instance has sought to slip in inflammatory terms, links to his own personal research (that has already been disqualified by both editors and administrators as a valid resource) and weasel-words to the article mentioned above and its associated talk page. He has made it clear (from his comments to me and the content of his website and attempted contributions) that his reasons for this have less to do with interest for distributing neutrally-toned information and far more to do with a personal grudge. I realize that this is strong language, but I believe that this is a suitable description given the things he has said.
He has not shown any sign of seeking to communicate with other editors in a reasonable manner, and when confronted he will say that since he is a "true Seventh-day Adventist" anyone who opposes him is fulfilling some sort of conspiracy prophecy (as he states openly on his "talk" page).
Thank you for your time. Zahakiel 20:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I spearheaded the "university students' Wikipedia survey" which you recently filled out. I thank you for your well-spoken input. It was one of the most insightful essays into the experiences of a Wikipedian I have read of many hundreds.
I hope to conceive of further questions for you in the near future. In the meantime, thanks again.
-jamie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration
Hi Durova
First of all thanks for making an insightful and positive statement about the shennanigins surrounding the Steiner family of articles. I just want to clear up one thing: The allegations of 'brochure language' are being directed at TheBee and HGilbert, not PeteK and DianeW. When HGilbert complains about 'brochure language', he is actually complaining about this complaint being made against him (if you catch my drift). I completely agree with the rest of your assessment, it is the best statement made so far, but you might want to correct that one error. -- Fergie 10:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I posted this to the personal attack noticeboard, but in case you didn't see it there -- Please read the personal attacks on my job ( [17] [18], which have nothing to do with the edit dispute. Isarig is citing disputes with other editors and totally mischaracterizing the debate on the Juan Cole page. The personal attacks are way out of line. csloat 20:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Dear Durova,
Thank you for not deleting my complaint and for prompting me to read how to use diffs. In my haste to get the attacks stopped, I didn't notice the guide at the top of the page. At your earliest convenience, please arbitrate the complaint. I think it is a pressing matter because, when I read his user page, I become concerned that this is a dangerous individual with a volatile personality. I am especially concerned when I see the veiled threats he has made on the complaints page, itself, about calling me at home to "discuss" the matter. Thank you. Sam 02:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Pardon me, but do my diffs not already show him calling me "a troll," "a liar," and "a failed writer"? Please see this one [19] The attacks are in the green highlighted section (green in my browser, anyway.) None of those are content disputes, surely.
Further, this user shows some serious contempt for the process by carrying on on the personal attacks intervention board. That's where you will find the veiled threat to telephone me about all this. How do I diff to that? When you see stuff like that from a guy who boasts about his background as much as he does, on his user page, it's something a prudent man has to take seriously. Thanks, again. Sam 03:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Look, I gave you a link of my special contributions. I only want to remove them, please help. There has to be a way to remove my special contributions because I don't want to see them for the rest of my whole life. Please give me tipps, who shall I contact to remove my contributions. 193.154.194.38 10:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Randroide 12:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC) Hi, Durova. More bad news:
Good hello. I've listed diffs and relvant links for you at [22]. I will happily abide by whatever the investigators and arbitrators feel is best. On a side note, I saw from one of your posts taht you are a combat veteran (as am I, Panama with the 7th Light Infantry and the 1st Gulf War with the XVIII Airborne Corps) and I was curious as to when, where and with what organization.? If this is too personal a question please feel free to tell me to piss off (I'll take no offence), but I am curious. Cheers. L0b0t 15:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I drop by the noticeboard from time to time when I'm particularly bored and often have occasion to see your always cogent and cordial work there; I was, though, especially impressed by this, most prominently the pithy ultimate two sentences thereof. I'd leave you {{ The Barnstar of Diligence}}, but my general disfavoring of PAIN (as, for various reasons, unnecessary and sometimes, by the fact of its existence, disruptive) might morally prohibit my awarding a barnstar for contributions made on such noticeboard; you'll have, I regret to say, to settle for my sincerest compliments: good on ya! :) Joe 04:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
The user Sudharsansn has blanked my edits several times in his own talk page. [23]
And he justify it with comments I get to choose what stays and what does not [24]
[25] for these actions [26], [27]
thank you -- Iwazaki 17:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
look how all these started.I merely ask him not to make insults regarding my race.see my post and his reply [31]
Then he came up with this amazing reply, questioning my morals and saying i have no right to question him!! And called my comments stupid and asked me to stay away from his page.sounds like a threat!! [32]
Also, he has written something like "i love you" in my talk page and i asked him not say such a things. i love you. he has even deleted that !! SO ,he's basically deleting everything unfavourable to him.Isnt this a perfect examples of vanalism ??? And,only after that i gave him a couple of warnings(diffs given in my first post)And not surprisingly everything end up in the dust bin. I have given a summary of all my warnings, and hopefully admins wont miss them.But, isnt it better to have them back, in the talk page ??Where it really deserved to be. thanks -- Iwazaki 04:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Iwazaki, this isn't vandalism and it isn't against policy. It's rather dishonest and rude, but not illegal here. Basically, as long as you're not making death threats or advocating child pornography, you're free to do what you want with your user/usertalk pages. What you can do is copy the discussion, with your replies, and keep them on your talk page. Don't worry, though, the history of the discussions on his talk page is kept, so if anyone needs to see if this user has been uncivil, he can. And any admin worth the paper their diploma isn't printed on knows you need to look at the edit summaries for prior warnings. As for his attacks on you, they're not really strong enough to warrant further attention. The best thing to do would be to not feed the troll if you feel this user is annoying you. Just ignore him, and concentrate on more important things, such as the encyclopaedia itself. yandman 07:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 01:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
If you're online (I hope so) can you please check this? There's a Brazilian user editing info to exclude Mexico from several topics. He's reverting some articles in order to favor the "image of Brazil" and is being very uncivil.
The articles are Newly industrialized countries and Emerging markets. He also used personal humilliating attacks on my user page User_talk:AlexCovarrubias.
I tried to talk to him telling him that all that information was cited and verifiable (I even googled some info in portuguese because he doesn't seem to speak english User_talk:João_Felipe_C.S) and he continues to blank the info I added. Please take a look, I'm kinda sad this happened. Alex Covarrubias ( Let's talk! ) 01:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I hope it wasn't improper for me to post there. I responded to your request and provided diffs here. Is this helpful, or should I be "minding my own business"? -- Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 04:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I am aware that he was a Democrat from the south, but when you refer to "Southern Democrats" that means that they are Conservative Democrats, Confederate supporters, or Dixiecrats.
Hi Durova, with regard to the PAIN report on Iwazaki I would like to make it extremely clear that the user is only pointing to a non-existent problem to escape from the accusations that have been levelled at him.
Though I do not have to respond to his accusations in that thread, it is pretty much common-sense for anyone to understand that my comments should not be read as an isolated phrase but as one clause in a sequence of conversations. My usage of the term 'Sinhala goons' was a contextual remark and not an attack or anywhere close to being one. As per Durova's very own remark, there really is no evidence as such because it should be read in a sequence of events and discussions and not as a stand-out phrase. This is like highlighting only bad when we say that children should not be bad, I can't believe that somebody is actually pointing out to such a trivial remark when there is something on him. Neither did I have an idea of floating such a userbox nor did I create one. It was a casual remark mentioned as a counter for the "This user supports the killing of Tamils", which points to people of my race, which was in Iwazaki's userpage and was created by User:Lahiru_k
I would request you to look into the actual report and not let Iwazaki show that such escapism can let him go scot-free. Thanks Sudharsansn ( talk • contribs) 11:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Are you a ILX/ILM regular? Probably not. In that case, I ask you to unprotect I Love Music and allow correct edits be made to that entry without reckless reverting. 220.253.117.129 10:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)