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The article is very well written, demonstrating extensive knowledge of the subject. However please avoid introducing personal viewpoints (mainly about right wing governments and the police force) unless these can be verified by a reliable source. I have also flagged the article to cite further references, and have indicated several places in particular where these are needed. If you have any queries or believe my edits to be in error please don't hesitate to bring them up on my User_talk:Guycalledryan talk page. Guycalledryan 07:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I've read the new page, and it's looking good. But I still think you're placing too much emphasis on the role the government had to play, and this can be seen to violate
WP:NPOV. Remember, that the music scene is comprised of many other elements other than just history, music style, influences, the sub culture (eg clothing, methods of speech) that accompany it so on so forth. Perhaps you could try expanding these rather than focusing on the relationship between the government and disadvantaged groups. Nevertheless keep up the good work
Guycalledryan 09:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
User Dr.warhol Hi guycalledryan, Are there any updates or progress on the above subject? Thanks, Dr.warhol 10:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea what you are referring to. Please be more specific. Are you sure that you are not confusing me with someone else? Brianga 15:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi there,
One thing I'd like to point out: there is no need to sign any changes you make to an article, such as you did in this edit. Doing so only makes the article look less professional. You only need to sign comments you make on talk pages.
Thanks, Blair - Speak to me 09:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey there. I think you might be misunderstanding the notes in the history; it wasn't you I reverted, it was an IP address. When the history says "Reverted 1 edit by 70.189.223.178 identified as vandalism to last revision by Dr.warhol." this means I reverted the IP and went back to a version that you edited. If you look at the diff of what the IP address did [1], I think you can see why I chose to call it vandalism :) For the record I think you're editing is excellent and welcome to Wikipedia! Shell babelfish 09:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
At Talk:Vampire Lovers you requested information for improving the article so that the clarification template could be removed. I did not place the template but I have provided some suggestions on the talkpage for improving the article. When you feel you've made the changes you can remove the template yourself. The article could become C-class, or even B-class, with suitable development. Shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 12:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
My main source for The Vampire Lovers was the McFarlane entry. He does not list either Marty or Murray as actual members of the band (Murray is mentioned as being in Four Horsemen). If the liner notes for 13 Tasteless Masterpieces mentions them both as band members (as opposed to sessions musicians) and provides photos of them, then add the names in the appropriate place and use the required style. Give the liner notes as a reference as they are not in McFarlane. It may be difficult to give a time span in the members section for these two. Any progress on Marty's actual last name would be helpful. Have fun with your future projects. Shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 08:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
As I said, I've seen it in McFarlane and Spencer, perhaps they dropped "The" at some stage. I'll go with what you've decided. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dr.warhol. I have just created a page on Sydney (via Brisbane) punk band Nunbait. My wiki skills are limited. It has been flagged with some issues which I have researched but I'm not sure I can address ( I dont know how to dio "references" either). I'm not even sure if this is the correct page for me to ask for assiatnce from you. Anyway, if you are interested and if you are around and get the chance could you have a look at it? Regards Franko_velebitan Franko velebitan ( talk) 21:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Dr Warhol...I will see if I fix it up a bit.
Yes Hacksaw was a great song.
As for another Nunbait in the 80s in Brisbane I do not recall that. I do recall a punk band called "Death of a Nun". I'm pretty sure the lead singer of "Death of a Nun" was drummer for "Prince of Weasels". "Prince of Weasels" eventually became ( more or less) "The Girlies". Franko velebitan ( talk)
To cite a magazine/newspaper I use: Template:Cite news.
As a made up example, consider an article on Renée Geyer from 1985 written by Ed Nimmervoll, the ref would look something like:
<ref>{{cite news | title = Geyer Is Heading in the Right Direction | first = Ed | last = Nimmervoll | authorlink = Ed Nimmervoll | newspaper = Juke | publisher = Leonard J Shaw | url = http://www.dhub.org/object/365196,music | location = [[Mount Eliza, Victoria|Mount Eliza, Vic]] | issn = | date = 2 November 1985 | page = | pages = | accessdate = 6 May 2010 }}</ref>
This could be used to back up a claim in Geyer's wikipedia article as:
Renée Geyer's single, "Heading in the Right Direction" was released in 1976. [1]
If the author does not have a wikipedia entry leave authorlink empty, if the article is not on-line leave url and accessdate empty, if you know the page (or pages, but not both) then fill in. I'm not certain whether Shaw was the publisher throughout the history of the newspaper. Hope this helps. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 13:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
<ref name=JukeJan28>{{cite news | title = Alternatively Speaking | first = | last = | authorlink = | newspaper = Juke | publisher = Leonard J Shaw | url = | location = [[Mount Eliza, Victoria|Mount Eliza, Vic]] | issn = | date = 28 January – 14 April 1984 | page = 6 | pages = | accessdate = 6 May 2010 }}</ref>
If you know the author of the relevant page(s) put in first and last name. Make other changes as needed. This more specific version can be slightly changed to cite the other two Juke references. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 03:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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thanks for acknowledging the influence of briz cops on the punk scene and the horror of living under the BJ peterson era!! Soulparadox ( talk) 09:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC) |
I'm currently busy on another article, which may take up about a week or so of my attention. I had a quick look at VL and see that you'll have a lot of work to get it up to GA. I assume you've read the criteria and seen some of the recent GA music articles to get ideas for improving VL. A photo could be problematic but is not necessary for GA. Music samples can also be provided.
I'm not sure which other articles that are at Start which you were talking about, so I can't comment. Anyway, good to hear from you and I'll be along in about a week or so to see where I can help out on VL. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 20:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
VL only visit Sydney? You'll need a reliable source for contradicting McFarlane (he does make mistakes but you have to show this). shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 12:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
<ref name="McFarlane">{{Cite book | last1 = McFarlane | first1 = Ian | authorlink1 = Ian McFarlane | title = [[Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop]] | chapter = Encyclopedia entry for 'The Fun Things' | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20040930213540/www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=631 | url = http://www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=631 | archivedate = 19 April 2004 | accessdate = 23 January 2013 | year = 1999 | publisher = [[Allen & Unwin]] | location = [[St Leonards, New South Wales|St Leonards, NSW]] | isbn = 1-865-08072-1 }}</ref>
For the first time. Then use <ref name="McFarlane"/> as a ref tab for each subsequent use.
<ref name="McFarlane">{{Cite book | last1 = McFarlane | first1 = Ian | authorlink1 = Ian McFarlane | title = [[Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop]] | chapter = Encyclopedia entry for 'The Leftovers' | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20040419074247/www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=1010 | url = http://www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=1010 | archivedate = 19 April 2004 | accessdate = 23 January 2013 | year = 1999 | publisher = [[Allen & Unwin]] | location = [[St Leonards, New South Wales|St Leonards, NSW]] | isbn = 1-865-08072-1 }}</ref>
For the first time and then the same ref tab as in Fun Things for any subsequent use. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 21:24, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
[adminhelp] Dr.warhol ( talk) 16:09, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I think you've misunderstood the purpose of the warning on talk pages for articles that are substantially biographical in nature (which they are). The warning on these talk pages tell people that they have to be cautious about what they write about living people even if they are in bands. It does not mean the article itself has any particular problem: that would use a different type of warning which usually sits in the article itself.
As for The Survivors (Australian band) and creating its talkpage: click on the Talk tab (it may be redlinked at the moment). This should take you to a page called, Creating Talk:The Survivors (Australian band). Once there copy and paste the content below: {{WikiProject Biography |living=yes |class=Start |musician-work-group=yes |listas=Survivors, The}}
{{WikiProject Australia|class=Start |importance=Low |music=yes |music-importance=Low}}
After you've created this talkpage, it should look similar to the others. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 11:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Use Vampire Lovers as your guide for improving the other articles. Although it has been improved a lot it might still need more tidying up to become a Good Article. Consider asking for a Peer review where other editors will advise on further areas of improvement prior to nomination at GA.
At Fun Things: there are a number of style issues throughout the article. In the Lead alone fix:
Go through the rest of the article yourself and try to pick up other problems. I'll have another look at the other articles later today. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 21:37, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
At The Leftovers, aside from some similar problems to above.
More on other articles later. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 04:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
At The Survivors apply the same approach as above. Additionally:
Have fun. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 07:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
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Good to see you back on board. The article was assessed as Start class back in 2007. If you're aiming for GA status then a lot more work will be needed on reliable sources, clear and concise expression, NPoV and article structure. However, I think we can easily get the article up to C-class with re-writing by focussing on reducing non-neutral and poor expression. For B-class we'd have to also improve its structure, spruce up the refs to wikify their format and add more reliable & independent sources. Where possible let's try to avoid excessively long lists exemplifying bands of a particular sub-genre. In any case I'm willing to have a go helping you to improve its status. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 10:25, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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My advice is to leave three (or so) of the notorious/frequented venues per era. As we're only going up to B-class having refs per these is not as important as it would be at GA standard. I'll let you (with your extensive local knowledge) decide which of the venues are the most representative of the Brisbane scene. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 08:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
If you feel uncomfortable and wish to avoid possible edit warring then either leave the laundry lists alone or go to the talk page and add a topic to describe why such lists should not appear in a prose article (cite WP:NOT and WP:OR). Invite discussion from editors for any non-notable bands (those without a wp article) which you want to delist from this article for the sake of readability and maintaining the article's focus. If the laundry lists remain, then it is unlikely that the article would get to GA in the future but you may be happy to give it a B-class standard. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 19:56, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Check each paragraph of the last two eras. Ask yourself: is each one well reffed? (This must be done for an direct quotes). Is there any material which doesn't belong? For the last era: does it clearly show how the Brisbane punk scene had dissipated into an alternative rock scene &/or lost its individualistic "Brisbane flavour" such that it was no longer noticeably different from other Australian punk scenes. Check the expression for overly zealous or peacock terms. After you're happy with it then you could assess it as B-class. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 05:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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As indicated previously, I have no particular problem with the Pioneers section as it stands – it is now well referenced. It provides the cultural context for the formation and development of this style of music under the local political and police environment of the mid-1970s. Back in July 2007 the article did lack reliable sources, it required toning down and refining of its focus. I think this has now been achieved in this section, but your mileage may vary.
P.S. ABC TV is due to broadcast Stranded on the birth of Australian punk, tonight. Do you think they will skip the political/police context? shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 09:04, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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The article is very well written, demonstrating extensive knowledge of the subject. However please avoid introducing personal viewpoints (mainly about right wing governments and the police force) unless these can be verified by a reliable source. I have also flagged the article to cite further references, and have indicated several places in particular where these are needed. If you have any queries or believe my edits to be in error please don't hesitate to bring them up on my User_talk:Guycalledryan talk page. Guycalledryan 07:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I've read the new page, and it's looking good. But I still think you're placing too much emphasis on the role the government had to play, and this can be seen to violate
WP:NPOV. Remember, that the music scene is comprised of many other elements other than just history, music style, influences, the sub culture (eg clothing, methods of speech) that accompany it so on so forth. Perhaps you could try expanding these rather than focusing on the relationship between the government and disadvantaged groups. Nevertheless keep up the good work
Guycalledryan 09:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
User Dr.warhol Hi guycalledryan, Are there any updates or progress on the above subject? Thanks, Dr.warhol 10:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea what you are referring to. Please be more specific. Are you sure that you are not confusing me with someone else? Brianga 15:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi there,
One thing I'd like to point out: there is no need to sign any changes you make to an article, such as you did in this edit. Doing so only makes the article look less professional. You only need to sign comments you make on talk pages.
Thanks, Blair - Speak to me 09:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey there. I think you might be misunderstanding the notes in the history; it wasn't you I reverted, it was an IP address. When the history says "Reverted 1 edit by 70.189.223.178 identified as vandalism to last revision by Dr.warhol." this means I reverted the IP and went back to a version that you edited. If you look at the diff of what the IP address did [1], I think you can see why I chose to call it vandalism :) For the record I think you're editing is excellent and welcome to Wikipedia! Shell babelfish 09:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
At Talk:Vampire Lovers you requested information for improving the article so that the clarification template could be removed. I did not place the template but I have provided some suggestions on the talkpage for improving the article. When you feel you've made the changes you can remove the template yourself. The article could become C-class, or even B-class, with suitable development. Shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 12:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
My main source for The Vampire Lovers was the McFarlane entry. He does not list either Marty or Murray as actual members of the band (Murray is mentioned as being in Four Horsemen). If the liner notes for 13 Tasteless Masterpieces mentions them both as band members (as opposed to sessions musicians) and provides photos of them, then add the names in the appropriate place and use the required style. Give the liner notes as a reference as they are not in McFarlane. It may be difficult to give a time span in the members section for these two. Any progress on Marty's actual last name would be helpful. Have fun with your future projects. Shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 08:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
As I said, I've seen it in McFarlane and Spencer, perhaps they dropped "The" at some stage. I'll go with what you've decided. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 23:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dr.warhol. I have just created a page on Sydney (via Brisbane) punk band Nunbait. My wiki skills are limited. It has been flagged with some issues which I have researched but I'm not sure I can address ( I dont know how to dio "references" either). I'm not even sure if this is the correct page for me to ask for assiatnce from you. Anyway, if you are interested and if you are around and get the chance could you have a look at it? Regards Franko_velebitan Franko velebitan ( talk) 21:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Dr Warhol...I will see if I fix it up a bit.
Yes Hacksaw was a great song.
As for another Nunbait in the 80s in Brisbane I do not recall that. I do recall a punk band called "Death of a Nun". I'm pretty sure the lead singer of "Death of a Nun" was drummer for "Prince of Weasels". "Prince of Weasels" eventually became ( more or less) "The Girlies". Franko velebitan ( talk)
To cite a magazine/newspaper I use: Template:Cite news.
As a made up example, consider an article on Renée Geyer from 1985 written by Ed Nimmervoll, the ref would look something like:
<ref>{{cite news | title = Geyer Is Heading in the Right Direction | first = Ed | last = Nimmervoll | authorlink = Ed Nimmervoll | newspaper = Juke | publisher = Leonard J Shaw | url = http://www.dhub.org/object/365196,music | location = [[Mount Eliza, Victoria|Mount Eliza, Vic]] | issn = | date = 2 November 1985 | page = | pages = | accessdate = 6 May 2010 }}</ref>
This could be used to back up a claim in Geyer's wikipedia article as:
Renée Geyer's single, "Heading in the Right Direction" was released in 1976. [1]
If the author does not have a wikipedia entry leave authorlink empty, if the article is not on-line leave url and accessdate empty, if you know the page (or pages, but not both) then fill in. I'm not certain whether Shaw was the publisher throughout the history of the newspaper. Hope this helps. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 13:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
<ref name=JukeJan28>{{cite news | title = Alternatively Speaking | first = | last = | authorlink = | newspaper = Juke | publisher = Leonard J Shaw | url = | location = [[Mount Eliza, Victoria|Mount Eliza, Vic]] | issn = | date = 28 January – 14 April 1984 | page = 6 | pages = | accessdate = 6 May 2010 }}</ref>
If you know the author of the relevant page(s) put in first and last name. Make other changes as needed. This more specific version can be slightly changed to cite the other two Juke references. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 03:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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thanks for acknowledging the influence of briz cops on the punk scene and the horror of living under the BJ peterson era!! Soulparadox ( talk) 09:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC) |
I'm currently busy on another article, which may take up about a week or so of my attention. I had a quick look at VL and see that you'll have a lot of work to get it up to GA. I assume you've read the criteria and seen some of the recent GA music articles to get ideas for improving VL. A photo could be problematic but is not necessary for GA. Music samples can also be provided.
I'm not sure which other articles that are at Start which you were talking about, so I can't comment. Anyway, good to hear from you and I'll be along in about a week or so to see where I can help out on VL. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 20:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
VL only visit Sydney? You'll need a reliable source for contradicting McFarlane (he does make mistakes but you have to show this). shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 12:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
<ref name="McFarlane">{{Cite book | last1 = McFarlane | first1 = Ian | authorlink1 = Ian McFarlane | title = [[Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop]] | chapter = Encyclopedia entry for 'The Fun Things' | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20040930213540/www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=631 | url = http://www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=631 | archivedate = 19 April 2004 | accessdate = 23 January 2013 | year = 1999 | publisher = [[Allen & Unwin]] | location = [[St Leonards, New South Wales|St Leonards, NSW]] | isbn = 1-865-08072-1 }}</ref>
For the first time. Then use <ref name="McFarlane"/> as a ref tab for each subsequent use.
<ref name="McFarlane">{{Cite book | last1 = McFarlane | first1 = Ian | authorlink1 = Ian McFarlane | title = [[Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop]] | chapter = Encyclopedia entry for 'The Leftovers' | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20040419074247/www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=1010 | url = http://www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=1010 | archivedate = 19 April 2004 | accessdate = 23 January 2013 | year = 1999 | publisher = [[Allen & Unwin]] | location = [[St Leonards, New South Wales|St Leonards, NSW]] | isbn = 1-865-08072-1 }}</ref>
For the first time and then the same ref tab as in Fun Things for any subsequent use. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 21:24, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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I think you've misunderstood the purpose of the warning on talk pages for articles that are substantially biographical in nature (which they are). The warning on these talk pages tell people that they have to be cautious about what they write about living people even if they are in bands. It does not mean the article itself has any particular problem: that would use a different type of warning which usually sits in the article itself.
As for The Survivors (Australian band) and creating its talkpage: click on the Talk tab (it may be redlinked at the moment). This should take you to a page called, Creating Talk:The Survivors (Australian band). Once there copy and paste the content below: {{WikiProject Biography |living=yes |class=Start |musician-work-group=yes |listas=Survivors, The}}
{{WikiProject Australia|class=Start |importance=Low |music=yes |music-importance=Low}}
After you've created this talkpage, it should look similar to the others. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 11:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Use Vampire Lovers as your guide for improving the other articles. Although it has been improved a lot it might still need more tidying up to become a Good Article. Consider asking for a Peer review where other editors will advise on further areas of improvement prior to nomination at GA.
At Fun Things: there are a number of style issues throughout the article. In the Lead alone fix:
Go through the rest of the article yourself and try to pick up other problems. I'll have another look at the other articles later today. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 21:37, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
At The Leftovers, aside from some similar problems to above.
More on other articles later. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 04:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
At The Survivors apply the same approach as above. Additionally:
Have fun. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 07:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
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Good to see you back on board. The article was assessed as Start class back in 2007. If you're aiming for GA status then a lot more work will be needed on reliable sources, clear and concise expression, NPoV and article structure. However, I think we can easily get the article up to C-class with re-writing by focussing on reducing non-neutral and poor expression. For B-class we'd have to also improve its structure, spruce up the refs to wikify their format and add more reliable & independent sources. Where possible let's try to avoid excessively long lists exemplifying bands of a particular sub-genre. In any case I'm willing to have a go helping you to improve its status. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 10:25, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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My advice is to leave three (or so) of the notorious/frequented venues per era. As we're only going up to B-class having refs per these is not as important as it would be at GA standard. I'll let you (with your extensive local knowledge) decide which of the venues are the most representative of the Brisbane scene. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 08:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
If you feel uncomfortable and wish to avoid possible edit warring then either leave the laundry lists alone or go to the talk page and add a topic to describe why such lists should not appear in a prose article (cite WP:NOT and WP:OR). Invite discussion from editors for any non-notable bands (those without a wp article) which you want to delist from this article for the sake of readability and maintaining the article's focus. If the laundry lists remain, then it is unlikely that the article would get to GA in the future but you may be happy to give it a B-class standard. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 19:56, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Check each paragraph of the last two eras. Ask yourself: is each one well reffed? (This must be done for an direct quotes). Is there any material which doesn't belong? For the last era: does it clearly show how the Brisbane punk scene had dissipated into an alternative rock scene &/or lost its individualistic "Brisbane flavour" such that it was no longer noticeably different from other Australian punk scenes. Check the expression for overly zealous or peacock terms. After you're happy with it then you could assess it as B-class. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 05:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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As indicated previously, I have no particular problem with the Pioneers section as it stands – it is now well referenced. It provides the cultural context for the formation and development of this style of music under the local political and police environment of the mid-1970s. Back in July 2007 the article did lack reliable sources, it required toning down and refining of its focus. I think this has now been achieved in this section, but your mileage may vary.
P.S. ABC TV is due to broadcast Stranded on the birth of Australian punk, tonight. Do you think they will skip the political/police context? shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 09:04, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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