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I started an article on
Tension leg platform but most of the content is not showing up when you look at the article. Why is that?
DRK 02:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Try purging it (click this link). If that doesn't work, just post back here and I'll see if I can help you further. If it does, just remove the template. Cheers, Daniel . Bryant 03:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Don't worry, that wasn't the problem. Looks like you missed a </ref> tag - I just added it. Things seem to be sweet now. If you have any more problems, either use {{helpme}} or post on User talk:Daniel.Bryant and I'll get back to you ASAP. Cheers, Daniel . Bryant 03:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Well the organizations that the article says MSA is linked to, which might not necessarily be true are terrorist organizations such as Jamaat-e-Islami. Also why is it frowned upon to remove messages from your OWN talkpage? 8.04 06:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad I could help out! Biruitorul 17:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
{{ efron}}
Well, how's a man supposed to know? - CrazyRussian talk/ email 02:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- Both of these articles have been used as soapboxes for tying Islamic groups with terrorism by a user who went by the name Freestylefrappe (and a lot of other puppets), who was recently banned for being disruptive. The articles used to read like a laundry-list of unsourced allegations of terrorism and vague claims of ties to terrorist agencies, with hardly any information about the subject of the article itself. I've been trying to bring some kind of balance to the articles (while still incorporating all of the valid, sourced information he provided) for a while now; looking over the edit histories of these articles will confirm that (particularly the ISA article).
- The new user WTPP came and reverted both articles back to versions last edited by FSF (from 11 days ago, over many good edits); these were the only edits he's made in wikipedia mainspace, without any discussion on the talk page. I assumed it was Freestylefrappe again, which is why I used the 'rvv' tag in my edit summary.
- The MSA article contained a long list of allegations, the sole source of which is a right-wing smear website of highly dubious reliability. I posted my objections on the talk page, requesting reliable sources, but didn't get any, so I removed the sections. I'm not sure if you intended to, but you just reverted back to that version. Just scan the first paragraph: "...osama bin laden...recruits fighters...terrorist organization...funneling money...swastika..." - is it a wonder user 8.04 mentioned POV issues on the talk page? ("This articles makes it seem as if MSA is a terrorist organization when this has never been proven true.")
- Of course you're right about reverting copyvios; I simply meant the sections he objected to (which were apparently taken from the school's about page by user MOI, with very little modification) contained information which was still useful in the article, which could paraphrased (valid, as long as the source is cited - which it was) or be put in a quote-block.
- Two edits, to those two specific articles, back to the same versions from 11 days ago that were last edited by Freestylefrappe and/or puppets/IPs thereof? Check the diffs if you want. You can't possibly think that's coincidence... -
Valarauka( T/ C)22:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and btw - I have nothing against
MOI; I just thought he was the one that added the copyvio parts since he had edited the article similarly before with info from the website. He's a new user, it happens. -
Valarauka( T/ C)23:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I didn't call him an "Ass" that was a typo - read the sentance "Do not remove valid warnings from your, or any other users talk page ass [SIC] you did to ...". It was a simple typo that I hadn't noticed, going to correct it.
I qualified my statements about admins with "some" as you'll notice. Since I am not talking about anyone in specific I don't consider it a personal attack, but I change it to be more polite.
Administrators before have advised me that there is nothing wrong with my comment about Dasondas on my talk page, since it is true and I can prove it with wikipedia diffs. Lordkazan 03:04, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
He also made a personal attack against me in this edit both in it's content and in it's edit message Lordkazan 03:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- Good point about the dasondas info. And no apology needed on misunderstanding the typo! Lordkazan 03:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- Are you going to change what you put in the RFC? (not to mention for that vote you put your siggie in the wrong place even if you want to keep that vote)
Lordkazan 03:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- You've got your name entered under {Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}. I wouldn't say you've failed. Lordkazan 03:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
DRK, thanks for weighing in on the LordKazan situation. I do not believe that any administrator has sanctioned his comments about me or agreed with him that they are true. In fact they are not, and I have been ruminating for some time about exactly how I want to respond (most likely RFC -- either my own or, now, through that of JBKramer) to the numerous attacks and incivilities that have been directed against me by this user at various locations around Wikipedia. At least one administrator has asked him to remove the comments in question on his Talk Page, and at least one other has described his interactions with me as intolerant. He has received an NPA warning for his communications with me, and JBKramer and I are not the only editors with whom he currently has disputes. You will note that one of JBKramer's allegations (with which I agree) is that LordKazan has been known to present incomplete or misleading information to previously-uninvolved administrators in an attempt to co-opt their sympathies or otherwise manipulate their opinions. I don't want to take up more of your time than necessary right now, but please don't hesitate to communicate further with me if you want additional information or clarifications. Thanks. Dasondas 16:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
DRK, you can start with these [1], [2], [3], and [4]. The first three have to do with me, the fourth with another user. There are numerous other examples that I haven't provided here. Please be aware also that he has made several references to what he thinks are my religious beliefs -- beliefs which I have never discussed at Wikipedia. Nevertheless, anybody who does hold the religious beliefs he attributes to me would certainly find his statements offensive. There are diffs available that show another user, heretofore uninvolved in the current communications, who discusses the offensiveness of such statements. There are also diffs available from an administrator involved in trying to mediate a previous dispute with LordKazan who says flatly that some of his views are religiously intolerant. Dasondas 21:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your help in cleaning up the bit about the accident. I'm trying to relay the news as I get them and it can get pretty hectic, especially when a certain vandal has also been messing with the page. antiuser 06:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
can you please explain to me why you keep refusing my changes to the sami al-arian page? i am changing minor factual things to make it more accurate. 66.108.210.175 21:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)Laura2006
SLMM edit
DRK you took my edit summery the wrong way. What I meant was when you edit make sure you've done what you intended to do. Maybe use preview before saving, to ensure you're edit has worked exactly how you wanted.
In this case I think the problem seems to be with the use of <ref> tags. If you don't close the tag (using </ref>) all the remaining text gets blanked.
If you feel I in some way chided you or something, my apologies, cos it certainly wasn't intentional. --
snowolfD4(
talk /
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Thank you for the welcome and the helpful newbie links. I've read most of them already, and am busy reading through the rest. I sincerly hope to be able to collect enough references to revamp the MSA page. What is the policy for using information from an organization's website? As far as physical description and stuff? Do we treat it inherently as biased?-- Zaxim 14:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Why did you create the redirect " Russian military headquarters in Tbilisi"? I do not see the connection between that phrase and the page it redirects to. I have reverted your edit to Georgia-Russia spying dispute. DRK 02:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- I created the redirect Russian military headquarters in Tbilisi two days before the article on the Georgia-Russia spying dispute was even created. I am hoping that someone would expand it into an article (or redirect it to Russian military forces in the Caucasus), and explain what these troops are doing there. The link now redirects to Transcaucasian Front, the section on Russian Transcaucasus Group of Forces covers the post-soviet forces. -- Petri Krohn 03:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. -
Valarauka(
T/
C) 22:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- Might want to check his comments on
Talk:Muhammad bin Qasim before making summary judgements. In fact, I am building a case against him right now.
Hkelkar 03:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- You want proof of racist attacks from him? Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3AMuhammad_bin_Qasim&diff=28573229&oldid=28013130
For which he received no reprimand or punitive response.
Per the wikipedia clause in WP:AGF about attackers, I am now permitted to stop assuming good faith with all of his edits and I will. Hkelkar 04:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Are you an admin? BhaiSaab talk 04:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- You certainly act like one. BhaiSaab talk 21:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Dont vandalize my userpage or i will report you. WTPP 16:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- Do not do it again. WTPP 17:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Last name of Han Myeong Sook is "Han", First name is Myeong Sook. User:WonYong is incorrect. -- Rheo1905 17:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for all the hard work you have put into Turkish Airlines Flight 1476. It is refreshing to see such a well-cited article, especially when its mentioned on the current events portal. Keep up the excellent work, DRK 22:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks DRK, event is really complicated. There are a few teories about hijacker(s), i'll try to birng it to a level before i sleep:) -- Ugur Basak 22:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I added more references to it, though I'm not sure where I got the information that he became industry minister right after his time as acting prime minister. I added a lot of articles about politicians from that area of the world, mostly in 2004 and early 2005, and will try to go back and add references to them soon. Academic Challenger 00:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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I started an article on
Tension leg platform but most of the content is not showing up when you look at the article. Why is that?
DRK 02:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Try purging it (click this link). If that doesn't work, just post back here and I'll see if I can help you further. If it does, just remove the template. Cheers, Daniel . Bryant 03:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Don't worry, that wasn't the problem. Looks like you missed a </ref> tag - I just added it. Things seem to be sweet now. If you have any more problems, either use {{helpme}} or post on User talk:Daniel.Bryant and I'll get back to you ASAP. Cheers, Daniel . Bryant 03:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Well the organizations that the article says MSA is linked to, which might not necessarily be true are terrorist organizations such as Jamaat-e-Islami. Also why is it frowned upon to remove messages from your OWN talkpage? 8.04 06:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad I could help out! Biruitorul 17:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
{{ efron}}
Well, how's a man supposed to know? - CrazyRussian talk/ email 02:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- Both of these articles have been used as soapboxes for tying Islamic groups with terrorism by a user who went by the name Freestylefrappe (and a lot of other puppets), who was recently banned for being disruptive. The articles used to read like a laundry-list of unsourced allegations of terrorism and vague claims of ties to terrorist agencies, with hardly any information about the subject of the article itself. I've been trying to bring some kind of balance to the articles (while still incorporating all of the valid, sourced information he provided) for a while now; looking over the edit histories of these articles will confirm that (particularly the ISA article).
- The new user WTPP came and reverted both articles back to versions last edited by FSF (from 11 days ago, over many good edits); these were the only edits he's made in wikipedia mainspace, without any discussion on the talk page. I assumed it was Freestylefrappe again, which is why I used the 'rvv' tag in my edit summary.
- The MSA article contained a long list of allegations, the sole source of which is a right-wing smear website of highly dubious reliability. I posted my objections on the talk page, requesting reliable sources, but didn't get any, so I removed the sections. I'm not sure if you intended to, but you just reverted back to that version. Just scan the first paragraph: "...osama bin laden...recruits fighters...terrorist organization...funneling money...swastika..." - is it a wonder user 8.04 mentioned POV issues on the talk page? ("This articles makes it seem as if MSA is a terrorist organization when this has never been proven true.")
- Of course you're right about reverting copyvios; I simply meant the sections he objected to (which were apparently taken from the school's about page by user MOI, with very little modification) contained information which was still useful in the article, which could paraphrased (valid, as long as the source is cited - which it was) or be put in a quote-block.
- Two edits, to those two specific articles, back to the same versions from 11 days ago that were last edited by Freestylefrappe and/or puppets/IPs thereof? Check the diffs if you want. You can't possibly think that's coincidence... -
Valarauka( T/ C)22:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and btw - I have nothing against
MOI; I just thought he was the one that added the copyvio parts since he had edited the article similarly before with info from the website. He's a new user, it happens. -
Valarauka( T/ C)23:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I didn't call him an "Ass" that was a typo - read the sentance "Do not remove valid warnings from your, or any other users talk page ass [SIC] you did to ...". It was a simple typo that I hadn't noticed, going to correct it.
I qualified my statements about admins with "some" as you'll notice. Since I am not talking about anyone in specific I don't consider it a personal attack, but I change it to be more polite.
Administrators before have advised me that there is nothing wrong with my comment about Dasondas on my talk page, since it is true and I can prove it with wikipedia diffs. Lordkazan 03:04, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
He also made a personal attack against me in this edit both in it's content and in it's edit message Lordkazan 03:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- Good point about the dasondas info. And no apology needed on misunderstanding the typo! Lordkazan 03:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- Are you going to change what you put in the RFC? (not to mention for that vote you put your siggie in the wrong place even if you want to keep that vote)
Lordkazan 03:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- You've got your name entered under {Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}. I wouldn't say you've failed. Lordkazan 03:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
DRK, thanks for weighing in on the LordKazan situation. I do not believe that any administrator has sanctioned his comments about me or agreed with him that they are true. In fact they are not, and I have been ruminating for some time about exactly how I want to respond (most likely RFC -- either my own or, now, through that of JBKramer) to the numerous attacks and incivilities that have been directed against me by this user at various locations around Wikipedia. At least one administrator has asked him to remove the comments in question on his Talk Page, and at least one other has described his interactions with me as intolerant. He has received an NPA warning for his communications with me, and JBKramer and I are not the only editors with whom he currently has disputes. You will note that one of JBKramer's allegations (with which I agree) is that LordKazan has been known to present incomplete or misleading information to previously-uninvolved administrators in an attempt to co-opt their sympathies or otherwise manipulate their opinions. I don't want to take up more of your time than necessary right now, but please don't hesitate to communicate further with me if you want additional information or clarifications. Thanks. Dasondas 16:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
DRK, you can start with these [1], [2], [3], and [4]. The first three have to do with me, the fourth with another user. There are numerous other examples that I haven't provided here. Please be aware also that he has made several references to what he thinks are my religious beliefs -- beliefs which I have never discussed at Wikipedia. Nevertheless, anybody who does hold the religious beliefs he attributes to me would certainly find his statements offensive. There are diffs available that show another user, heretofore uninvolved in the current communications, who discusses the offensiveness of such statements. There are also diffs available from an administrator involved in trying to mediate a previous dispute with LordKazan who says flatly that some of his views are religiously intolerant. Dasondas 21:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your help in cleaning up the bit about the accident. I'm trying to relay the news as I get them and it can get pretty hectic, especially when a certain vandal has also been messing with the page. antiuser 06:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
can you please explain to me why you keep refusing my changes to the sami al-arian page? i am changing minor factual things to make it more accurate. 66.108.210.175 21:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)Laura2006
SLMM edit
DRK you took my edit summery the wrong way. What I meant was when you edit make sure you've done what you intended to do. Maybe use preview before saving, to ensure you're edit has worked exactly how you wanted.
In this case I think the problem seems to be with the use of <ref> tags. If you don't close the tag (using </ref>) all the remaining text gets blanked.
If you feel I in some way chided you or something, my apologies, cos it certainly wasn't intentional. --
snowolfD4(
talk /
@ ) 01:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the welcome and the helpful newbie links. I've read most of them already, and am busy reading through the rest. I sincerly hope to be able to collect enough references to revamp the MSA page. What is the policy for using information from an organization's website? As far as physical description and stuff? Do we treat it inherently as biased?-- Zaxim 14:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Why did you create the redirect " Russian military headquarters in Tbilisi"? I do not see the connection between that phrase and the page it redirects to. I have reverted your edit to Georgia-Russia spying dispute. DRK 02:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- I created the redirect Russian military headquarters in Tbilisi two days before the article on the Georgia-Russia spying dispute was even created. I am hoping that someone would expand it into an article (or redirect it to Russian military forces in the Caucasus), and explain what these troops are doing there. The link now redirects to Transcaucasian Front, the section on Russian Transcaucasus Group of Forces covers the post-soviet forces. -- Petri Krohn 03:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. -
Valarauka(
T/
C) 22:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- Might want to check his comments on
Talk:Muhammad bin Qasim before making summary judgements. In fact, I am building a case against him right now.
Hkelkar 03:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- You want proof of racist attacks from him? Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3AMuhammad_bin_Qasim&diff=28573229&oldid=28013130
For which he received no reprimand or punitive response.
Per the wikipedia clause in WP:AGF about attackers, I am now permitted to stop assuming good faith with all of his edits and I will. Hkelkar 04:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Are you an admin? BhaiSaab talk 04:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- You certainly act like one. BhaiSaab talk 21:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Dont vandalize my userpage or i will report you. WTPP 16:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- Do not do it again. WTPP 17:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Last name of Han Myeong Sook is "Han", First name is Myeong Sook. User:WonYong is incorrect. -- Rheo1905 17:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for all the hard work you have put into Turkish Airlines Flight 1476. It is refreshing to see such a well-cited article, especially when its mentioned on the current events portal. Keep up the excellent work, DRK 22:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks DRK, event is really complicated. There are a few teories about hijacker(s), i'll try to birng it to a level before i sleep:) -- Ugur Basak 22:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I added more references to it, though I'm not sure where I got the information that he became industry minister right after his time as acting prime minister. I added a lot of articles about politicians from that area of the world, mostly in 2004 and early 2005, and will try to go back and add references to them soon. Academic Challenger 00:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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