Those on the email page about the Wola Piotrowa page - please read the editorial comments to understand the editorial situation that I mentioned on the thread. Thanks for helping to monitor this situation and protect Lemko genealogical and village history information. TLP will continue to update village history information and ensure balance.
Clearly, there is an "editor" on the page who is injecting language that creates false implications about the history of Lemkos. Lemkos weren't "repatriated" anywhere. Lemko citizens of Poland were forcibly expelled to either Soviet Ukraine or to former German territories in Western Poland (Silesia, Pomerania, Prussia, etc.) On the talk page, I noticed that editor "Volunteer Marek" has a track record of editing from the perspective of Polish activism, which should not be tolerated by Wikimedia because we are attempting to present the objective history of ethnic cleansing in Poland, and all of the information that I have included on the page is defensible. If there's a problem with this, I will be happy to have a discussion about it, but am adamant that factual information should not be changed and inappropriate terms such as "repatriation" are used. Lemkos were not "repatriated" to Ukraine or anywhere else. They were citizens of Poland who were forcibly deported from their homes. In addition, some Lemkos were murdered by Polish communists. Anything to suggest a repatriation occurred is an outright falsification of history.
I am filing a formal complaint with Wikimedia to resolve these issues and protect the information on the page, ensuring that the history is represented correctly.
- I have no idea what you are talking about. I have never edited the article on the repatriations/expulsions. And who are these "we" and TLP and all that other stuff? Whom are you addressing? VolunteerMarek 23:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- BTW, there was an EXTENSIVE discussion about the naming (in which, btw, I didn't participate) here [1]. Hence your moves are in fact contra consensus. VolunteerMarek 23:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
What you said made no sense. What gives you the right to make decisions on what information can and can't be included? This genealogy information is valuable because these were small villages with names associated from Krasovsky's book. It is pertinent to Lemko history and Lemkos appreciate the information being included there. TLP is "The Lemko Project" - we are a team of researchers who have extensive knowledge about the history of these villages and an extensive network of people who do care about the content being included on this page. So if you want to argue about it, let me know and we can go into arbitration or whatever it takes.
- Ok thanks for clarifying this TLP business. That might explain some things. Is this user [2] part of your project? Also, I still have no idea why you said I had something to do with the "repatriations" name. For one thing, I happen to agree that these were not repatriations but expulsions.
- Aside from that it really would be good if you took a little bit of time and got to know some of the policies of Wikipedia. There's WP:NOT for example. I'll leave other comments on the relevant talk pages.
- Finally, if you actually want some help please ask. For example this comment suggests [3] you don't know Polish - if you need something translated I would be happy to help.
- I should probably add that I agree with that commentator on the TLP blog page about the, um, tastefulness, of a UPA themed restaurant. VolunteerMarek 23:47, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Marek - you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not an activist, so the article about UPA is relevant to some members of TLP's audience who do not view UPA as "terrorists." Just remember, whether or not someone is a "patriot" or "terrorist" has a lot to do with whether or not they were the victors of the war. We went to the restaurant and we thought that the pyrohi were pretty good. :) What would be distasteful is a restaurant that celebrates the history of communism or nazism, because those groups had the most direct impact on violence toward Ukrainians, Rusyns, Poles, Jews and other minorities in the region. That point gets lost in the squabbles between Polish and Ukrainian patriots, who like to point fingers at each other. UPA is an inextricable part of the history surrounding Akcja Wisla and the related operations (you'll forgive me for being too lazy to omit Polish diacritical marks and squiggles ...I simply don't feel like it) but blaming UPA for the displacement or damage to one or more ethnic groups demonstrates a very limited perspective (and perhaps awareness) of history, which was my point to the writer of that post. I think, however, that her issue is more that she's an activist type. Corinna Caudill ( talk) 19:30, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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Yes - the problem was that I'd forgotten my login and PW but I found it now, so no worries. I've tried to go back and sign some of it on the Bukowsko page. Corinna Caudill ( talk) 19:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
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- DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
- Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
- Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?
--The Olive Branch 18:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
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Those on the email page about the Wola Piotrowa page - please read the editorial comments to understand the editorial situation that I mentioned on the thread. Thanks for helping to monitor this situation and protect Lemko genealogical and village history information. TLP will continue to update village history information and ensure balance.
Clearly, there is an "editor" on the page who is injecting language that creates false implications about the history of Lemkos. Lemkos weren't "repatriated" anywhere. Lemko citizens of Poland were forcibly expelled to either Soviet Ukraine or to former German territories in Western Poland (Silesia, Pomerania, Prussia, etc.) On the talk page, I noticed that editor "Volunteer Marek" has a track record of editing from the perspective of Polish activism, which should not be tolerated by Wikimedia because we are attempting to present the objective history of ethnic cleansing in Poland, and all of the information that I have included on the page is defensible. If there's a problem with this, I will be happy to have a discussion about it, but am adamant that factual information should not be changed and inappropriate terms such as "repatriation" are used. Lemkos were not "repatriated" to Ukraine or anywhere else. They were citizens of Poland who were forcibly deported from their homes. In addition, some Lemkos were murdered by Polish communists. Anything to suggest a repatriation occurred is an outright falsification of history.
I am filing a formal complaint with Wikimedia to resolve these issues and protect the information on the page, ensuring that the history is represented correctly.
- I have no idea what you are talking about. I have never edited the article on the repatriations/expulsions. And who are these "we" and TLP and all that other stuff? Whom are you addressing? VolunteerMarek 23:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- BTW, there was an EXTENSIVE discussion about the naming (in which, btw, I didn't participate) here [1]. Hence your moves are in fact contra consensus. VolunteerMarek 23:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
What you said made no sense. What gives you the right to make decisions on what information can and can't be included? This genealogy information is valuable because these were small villages with names associated from Krasovsky's book. It is pertinent to Lemko history and Lemkos appreciate the information being included there. TLP is "The Lemko Project" - we are a team of researchers who have extensive knowledge about the history of these villages and an extensive network of people who do care about the content being included on this page. So if you want to argue about it, let me know and we can go into arbitration or whatever it takes.
- Ok thanks for clarifying this TLP business. That might explain some things. Is this user [2] part of your project? Also, I still have no idea why you said I had something to do with the "repatriations" name. For one thing, I happen to agree that these were not repatriations but expulsions.
- Aside from that it really would be good if you took a little bit of time and got to know some of the policies of Wikipedia. There's WP:NOT for example. I'll leave other comments on the relevant talk pages.
- Finally, if you actually want some help please ask. For example this comment suggests [3] you don't know Polish - if you need something translated I would be happy to help.
- I should probably add that I agree with that commentator on the TLP blog page about the, um, tastefulness, of a UPA themed restaurant. VolunteerMarek 23:47, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Marek - you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not an activist, so the article about UPA is relevant to some members of TLP's audience who do not view UPA as "terrorists." Just remember, whether or not someone is a "patriot" or "terrorist" has a lot to do with whether or not they were the victors of the war. We went to the restaurant and we thought that the pyrohi were pretty good. :) What would be distasteful is a restaurant that celebrates the history of communism or nazism, because those groups had the most direct impact on violence toward Ukrainians, Rusyns, Poles, Jews and other minorities in the region. That point gets lost in the squabbles between Polish and Ukrainian patriots, who like to point fingers at each other. UPA is an inextricable part of the history surrounding Akcja Wisla and the related operations (you'll forgive me for being too lazy to omit Polish diacritical marks and squiggles ...I simply don't feel like it) but blaming UPA for the displacement or damage to one or more ethnic groups demonstrates a very limited perspective (and perhaps awareness) of history, which was my point to the writer of that post. I think, however, that her issue is more that she's an activist type. Corinna Caudill ( talk) 19:30, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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Welcome!
Hello, Corinna Caudill, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
- The five pillars of Wikipedia
- Tutorial
- How to edit a page and How to develop articles
- How to create your first article (using the Article Wizard if you wish)
- Manual of Style
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your messages on
talk pages using four
tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out
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Yes - the problem was that I'd forgotten my login and PW but I found it now, so no worries. I've tried to go back and sign some of it on the Bukowsko page. Corinna Caudill ( talk) 19:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.
In this issue:
- Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
- Research: The most recent DR data
- Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
- Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
- DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
- Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
- Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?
--The Olive Branch 18:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello.As a member of Wikiproject Dispute Resolution I am just letting you know that there is an RFC discussing changes to dispute resolution on Wikipedia. You can find the RFC on this page. If you have already commented there, please disregard this message. Regards, Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 08:50, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
| WikiWomen Unite! | |
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Hi Corinna Caudill! Women around the world who edit and contribute to Wikipedia are coming together to celebrate each other's work, support one another, and engage new women to also join in on the empowering experience of shaping the sum of all the world's knowledge - through the WikiWomen's Collaborative. As a WikiWoman, we'd love to have you involved! You can do this by:
We can't wait to have you involved, and feel free to drop by our
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