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I just want help because I forgot how to make these pages into a draft not a full article. I also want help on how to make this a better article and not a 'bad order of battle'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J-Man11 ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
G'day J-Man11, what we need is for citations to be added to the separate sections as you go. For example, "Aldershot Command was the command group that had administrative command of the units based in or around Aldershot Garrison. In wartime, the command would for the 1st British Corps." needs a citation or footnote at the end indicating where this information came from. If it came from two or more sources, add that number of citations/footnotes. This needs to happen for the whole article, so that we can verify that the information is in the source. It is insufficient to have three citations at the top of the article. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 07:14, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
The inclusion of companies is too much detail for an ORBAT for the whole British Army. I suggest going no lower than battalion level and independent specialist company-sized units like field ambulances. Details of companies is something for the regimental articles, but not this one. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 03:15, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
The Royal Marines should not be listed in this article, as they are out of scope of the British Army. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 01:52, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
J-Man11 it's commendable that you've gone looking for solid sources, and found the Army List. However it's not fully reliable. Despite the date indicated, July 1914, General Sir Ian Hamilton was not in the Mediterranean, and the Gallipoli adventure had not started. He was still Commander-in-Chief, Home Army - see that or Central Force.
More importantly, the Army List is a WP:PRIMARY source, and we have to be very careful using primary sources alone. As WP editors we can't use them wholesale ( Navops47 is another who has gone a little bit off the rails in this manner). You can use the Army List 1914 for details of individual battalion assignments, but make sure that every command, title of a command, and commander-in-chief is checked against another WP:SECONDARY source. Peacemaker67, your thoughts? Buckshot06 (talk) 02:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
"GEN. Ar I. B. M. HAMILTON, O.O.B., D.S.O as Inspector-General of the Forces" is what I have.. Are we looking at the same article? J-Man11 ( talk) 03:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC) Correction.. Assigned to that. Actually looking at it more, isn't even that, says assigned after July. The war hadn't even started so the "Home Army" wasn't a thing yet!
I have a feeling this is done, just need to add some pictures maybe? J-Man11 ( talk) 14:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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I just want help because I forgot how to make these pages into a draft not a full article. I also want help on how to make this a better article and not a 'bad order of battle'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J-Man11 ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
G'day J-Man11, what we need is for citations to be added to the separate sections as you go. For example, "Aldershot Command was the command group that had administrative command of the units based in or around Aldershot Garrison. In wartime, the command would for the 1st British Corps." needs a citation or footnote at the end indicating where this information came from. If it came from two or more sources, add that number of citations/footnotes. This needs to happen for the whole article, so that we can verify that the information is in the source. It is insufficient to have three citations at the top of the article. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 07:14, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
The inclusion of companies is too much detail for an ORBAT for the whole British Army. I suggest going no lower than battalion level and independent specialist company-sized units like field ambulances. Details of companies is something for the regimental articles, but not this one. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 03:15, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
The Royal Marines should not be listed in this article, as they are out of scope of the British Army. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 01:52, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
J-Man11 it's commendable that you've gone looking for solid sources, and found the Army List. However it's not fully reliable. Despite the date indicated, July 1914, General Sir Ian Hamilton was not in the Mediterranean, and the Gallipoli adventure had not started. He was still Commander-in-Chief, Home Army - see that or Central Force.
More importantly, the Army List is a WP:PRIMARY source, and we have to be very careful using primary sources alone. As WP editors we can't use them wholesale ( Navops47 is another who has gone a little bit off the rails in this manner). You can use the Army List 1914 for details of individual battalion assignments, but make sure that every command, title of a command, and commander-in-chief is checked against another WP:SECONDARY source. Peacemaker67, your thoughts? Buckshot06 (talk) 02:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
"GEN. Ar I. B. M. HAMILTON, O.O.B., D.S.O as Inspector-General of the Forces" is what I have.. Are we looking at the same article? J-Man11 ( talk) 03:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC) Correction.. Assigned to that. Actually looking at it more, isn't even that, says assigned after July. The war hadn't even started so the "Home Army" wasn't a thing yet!
I have a feeling this is done, just need to add some pictures maybe? J-Man11 ( talk) 14:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)