The following are rules I've setup for my Talk page. You're more than welcome to post whatever you like here, but if you expect me to engage with you then you need to work within the following framework.
1. If you have never read Introduction to Logic by Copi or A Concise Introduction to Logic by Hurley then please utilize my Talk page in a limited capacity. Do not use any of the following logical fallacies: straw man, band wagon, or red herring.
2. Criticisms/complaints of me are welcome. I just ask that you be specific. Quote exactly what I said or be specific about the action I did that you have an issue with.
3. Topics and comments must be fruitful/worthwhile and in good faith.
Hi Chris,
It's Logan! Logantpowell ( talk) 17:10, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
While your alert to hobgoblin is alright, normally, when telling a user that they are subject to an ANI, you would use {{{subst:ANI-notice}}} (just without the extra {}). Thanks, that's all. Babysharkboss2!! ( Hells Bells (Talk Page btw)) 13:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
The following topic ban now applies to you:
You are indefinitely topic banned from post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, broadly construed
You have been sanctioned for WP:CIR, WP:DEADHORSE, and WP:IDHT
This topic ban is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Final decision and, if applicable, the contentious topics procedure. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. Please read WP:TBAN to understand what a topic ban is. If you do not comply with the topic ban, you may be blocked for an extended period to enforce the ban.
If you wish to appeal the ban, please read the appeals process. You are free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 01:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Cmsmith93, I have a serious question for you. Why are you editing Wikipedia, and what do you hope to achieve here? We all have our reasons, and it's not the same for everybody, and I just wondered what your reasons are, because I can't make it out. Looking at your 105 contributions thus far, I see that 77% of them are in Talk spaces, and none are improvements to articles. At the same time, in a single discussion at WP:AN, you name three admins who have called out your behavior previously. If we extrapolated that to 1,000 edits, 30 admins annoyed with you, and no article edits, and someone proposed to indefinitely block you at WP:ANI because you are clearly not here to build an encyclopedia, how would you respond? Actually, I don't think you have anywhere near that long, and you should respond now: Why are you here? Because currently, trouble seems to follow you around everywhere you go, and it's of your own doing. I think you have only a very short period to turn this around, before the decision will be taken out of your hands. So if you want to remain here and achieve something, time to do that is right now. Good luck, Mathglot ( talk) 11:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Can you please follow the instructions about substituting the template for the appeal? It's difficult for editors participating in the appeals process to follow along if the instructions for constructing the appeal aren't followed. Thanks! Philipnelson99 ( talk) 23:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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. That's a lot of questions. If you can narrow it down to a few, I'd be happy to answer some. I urge you to stop asserting that other editors and admins have particular emotions and motivations. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 03:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Two reasons: 1. Per WP:GAP, "You, as a blocked editor, are responsible for convincing administrators: that the block was not necessary to prevent damage or disruption (i.e., that the block violates our blocking policy)." Cullen never quoted what I said, or did, that was 'damaging' or 'disruptive' in his initial block and after asking him multiple times he still hasn't quoted me. The block came at a strange time -- right after I tried to appeal my topic ban set by Scottish. So, I don't know what it was that I was doing that was damaging or disruptive to the community, but I'm going to assume it's not appealing topic bans? 2. After speaking with Firefangledfeathers and 28bytes (this was in an email) I realize that I need to basically 'start small' here on Wikipedia. I disagree with the idea that someone is going to become better suited to discuss policy as they make more and more Wikipedia edits, outside of policy and guidelines, but this is the way things are done here and so that's what I will follow. 28bytes made it clear that I should edit "articles that are not subject to edit count restrictions". And then maybe one day move on to things like controversial topics, and then further down the line dive into the policies, guidelines, etc. 28bytes also suggested listing some articles I plan on editing. Articles involving physics, math, information technology, the U.S. military, informal logic, formal logic, ethics, poetry, and symbolism are all things I can touch up and contribute to. Cmsmith93 ( talk) 00:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Cullen328 quite clearly stated what you did wrong- "This is a project to build an encyclopedia and you have not made a single edit to improve an encycledia article. And yet you have time to argue with other editors." No one's going to write a blow by blow account of what specifically was wrong- you need to be able to figure this out yourself and articulate it to us as part of being unblocked- be it in the near term or per the standard offer. You'll also need to agree to topic bans from post-1992 US politics and vaccine related subjects. I am declining your request. 331dot ( talk) 11:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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331dot I tried to address that reasoning, but got ignored by Cullen... "Focusing on niche topic areas" is "What "not here to build an encyclopedia" is not" and Cullen pulled a red herring and didn't address that point. He also never addressed any of my follow up, "Hi Cullen, so on the Guide to appealing blocks page it says, ..." If you look at my first post on the RFK Jr article (Archive 3, "The evidence for the two claims in the first sentence are too weak."), you'll see I put a lot of effort into that post. If I was someone who puts in minimal effort or was here to be disruptive, then I wouldn't read 5+ articles and PDF's and clearly outline the faults in each one. I would probably do something close to what the dozen or so IP Address user's have been doing, or worse.
It's very odd to me that so many Admin here think it's reasonable to have one person guess another person's reasoning. Hopefully in a fictional scenario/example you can see how outlandish that request is. Let's say I'm a Bureaucrat and I remove your Admin privileges and I put an indefinite block on your account. I say, "It's because you have a history of CIR and ADMINABUSE." When you appeal the block and loss of your Admin privileges I refuse to clarify and tell you, "331, it's not my job to clarify for you. You need to guess what you did wrong. Go ahead of quote every time you committed CIR and ADMINABUSE for me and I'll remove the block and restore your Admin privilege's." I hope that clarifies things a bit and I hope you Admin push to make quoting the user mandatory for you guys, unless the user is clearly bad faith or racist or something, but otherwise - when someone is repeatedly asking to be quoted, that should be the standard, so everyone is on the same page and everyone can continue the discussion.
I didn't realize that some of these blocks can have timers less than 'indefinite' on them? I know you've already made your decision so I don't know if this can continue, but what do the Admin think about changing the timer from Indefinite to something a bit more finite? -- A few months maybe? I'd still like eventually to be able to edit pages. Oh and I already did agree to the vaccines and post-1992 U.S. politics bans. I don't like it, but I do agree to the terms, again, because I'm trying to be able to one day edit pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmsmith93 ( talk • contribs) 06:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
28bytes Nah, didn't work. I'm just getting ignored. 28, if steps from a Bureaucrat mean nothing to Admin, how am I, or anyone, supposed to get through an unblock appeal or a topic ban appeal? I'm also having difficulty understanding how warnings do not have to be issued before being topic banned or blocked and also how it's not mandatory for Admin to quote the user's wrongs. It makes punishments too easy to give and too difficult to appeal. I don't know. As always, any tips/advice are appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmsmith93 ( talk • contribs) 05:25, 11 March 2024 {UTC) (UTC)
@ Cullen328: OK to unblock? -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 09:30, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Are you familiar with READ ME messages in programming? Also, you haven't responded to my message to you above.. I have explained my thinking several times. I am under zero obligation to write a word-by-word analysis of this editor's "not here" behavior, which is clear to any experienced uninvolved editor. I have countless better things to do with my volunteer time, like expand and improve encyclopedia articles, which this editor has never done. That being said, if you decide to unblock, I will not object. Cullen328 ( talk) 18:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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Request reason:
1a) So Cullen and 331bot claim WP:NOTHERE and the first issue they point to is my lack of edits. On WP:NOTHERE page there is no requirement that says something like, "All user's must make x amount of edits within t amount of time." so my lack of edits seems to be irrelevant. I would like to make more edits in the future. I have outlined above the pages and topics I could contribute to.
1b) The other issue they've put forth is my edits being 'disruptive'. Cullen's block was in response to my topic ban appeal that Scottish put on me day's before. I don't think topic ban appeals would be interpreted as "disruptive behavior". And I haven't received a single quote of anything I said or did that was disruptive so I don't think 'disruption' holds.
2a) On this same WP:HTBAE page, I see points of what "Being here to build an encyclopedia" looks like. First, "Genuine interest and improvement". To prove this, I point to my first 'edit' in the RFK Jr article: /info/en/?search=Talk:Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr./Archive_3#The_evidence_for_the_two_claims_in_the_first_sentence_are_too_weak. Whether or not you agree with my argument, I think we can all agree I did my due diligence reading every source and addressing all of them in a professional tone. That amount of effort, especially when compared to the average Talk page edit, and the attitude, should clearly show I'm genuinely interested in improving the article. And hell, I did all of that work just to edit one sentence.
2b) "Respect for core editing standards" You can see throughout my history -- RFK Jr page, Vivek Ramaswamy page, the ANI page, etc, that I prefer to have a good faith discussion and come to some consensus about what edits to make. Being so new I'm not comfortable with just editing pages before making some suggestions that people end up agreeing on.
2c) "A focus on encyclopedia building" The only "Non-encyclopedia-related contributions" I've made were all out of necessity. Reporting Hobgadling, trying to fix the ANI header, appealing my topic ban, appealing this unblock request. I think those were all things that needed to be addressed in order to improve this website. I do have a question that may conflict with this moving forward -- Can I make my way over to pages like RfB and WP:Arbitration Committee or is that going to cause problems?
2d) "Self-correction and heeding lessons" I have posted a bunch of useful policies, guidelines, and tips on my User page. I have personally thanked Cabayi because he's answered over a dozen of my questions. I have visited the Teahouse a few times. Every time somebody cites some policy I go and read it to understand it better and understand Wikipedia better. I don't think anyone will find many, if any, examples in my history that suggests otherwise.
3a) Firefangledfeathers suggested I agree to keep the vaccine and post-1992 politics topic ban. I do agree to this. I still haven't been given a timeline, which would be nice. When should I make the appeal? After a year? After 100 edits? Cmsmith93 ( talk) 01:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)Notes:
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{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=Hey guys, ok, round two. Hopefully I can do a bit better this time around. So, per WP:GAB, I'm selecting, "that the block was not necessary to prevent damage or disruption".
1a) So Cullen and 331bot claim WP:NOTHERE and the first issue they point to is my lack of edits. On WP:NOTHERE page there is no requirement that says something like, "All user's must make x amount of edits within t amount of time." so my lack of edits seems to be irrelevant. I would like to make more edits in the future. I have outlined above the pages and topics I could contribute to.
1b) The other issue they've put forth is my edits being 'disruptive'. Cullen's block was in response to my topic ban appeal that Scottish put on me day's before. I don't think topic ban appeals would be interpreted as "disruptive behavior". And I haven't received a single quote of anything I said or did that was disruptive so I don't think 'disruption' holds.
2a) On this same WP:HTBAE page, I see points of what "Being here to build an encyclopedia" looks like. First, "Genuine interest and improvement". To prove this, I point to my first 'edit' in the RFK Jr article: /info/en/?search=Talk:Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr./Archive_3#The_evidence_for_the_two_claims_in_the_first_sentence_are_too_weak. Whether or not you agree with my argument, I think we can all agree I did my due diligence reading every source and addressing all of them in a professional tone. That amount of effort, especially when compared to the average Talk page edit, and the attitude, should clearly show I'm genuinely interested in improving the article. And hell, I did all of that work just to edit one sentence.
2b) "Respect for core editing standards" You can see throughout my history -- RFK Jr page, Vivek Ramaswamy page, the ANI page, etc, that I prefer to have a good faith discussion and come to some consensus about what edits to make. Being so new I'm not comfortable with just editing pages before making some suggestions that people end up agreeing on.
2c) "A focus on encyclopedia building" The only "Non-encyclopedia-related contributions" I've made were all out of necessity. Reporting Hobgadling, trying to fix the ANI header, appealing my topic ban, appealing this unblock request. I think those were all things that needed to be addressed in order to improve this website. I do have a question that may conflict with this moving forward -- Can I make my way over to pages like RfB and WP:Arbitration Committee or is that going to cause problems?
2d) "Self-correction and heeding lessons" I have posted a bunch of useful policies, guidelines, and tips on my User page. I have personally thanked Cabayi because he's answered over a dozen of my questions. I have visited the Teahouse a few times. Every time somebody cites some policy I go and read it to understand it better and understand Wikipedia better. I don't think anyone will find many, if any, examples in my history that suggests otherwise.
3a) Firefangledfeathers suggested I agree to keep the vaccine and post-1992 politics topic ban. I do agree to this. I still haven't been given a timeline, which would be nice. When should I make the appeal? After a year? After 100 edits? [[User:Cmsmith93|Cmsmith93]] ([[User talk:Cmsmith93#top|talk]]) 01:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |3 = ~~~~}}
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{{unblock reviewed |1=Hey guys, ok, round two. Hopefully I can do a bit better this time around. So, per WP:GAB, I'm selecting, "that the block was not necessary to prevent damage or disruption".
1a) So Cullen and 331bot claim WP:NOTHERE and the first issue they point to is my lack of edits. On WP:NOTHERE page there is no requirement that says something like, "All user's must make x amount of edits within t amount of time." so my lack of edits seems to be irrelevant. I would like to make more edits in the future. I have outlined above the pages and topics I could contribute to.
1b) The other issue they've put forth is my edits being 'disruptive'. Cullen's block was in response to my topic ban appeal that Scottish put on me day's before. I don't think topic ban appeals would be interpreted as "disruptive behavior". And I haven't received a single quote of anything I said or did that was disruptive so I don't think 'disruption' holds.
2a) On this same WP:HTBAE page, I see points of what "Being here to build an encyclopedia" looks like. First, "Genuine interest and improvement". To prove this, I point to my first 'edit' in the RFK Jr article: /info/en/?search=Talk:Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr./Archive_3#The_evidence_for_the_two_claims_in_the_first_sentence_are_too_weak. Whether or not you agree with my argument, I think we can all agree I did my due diligence reading every source and addressing all of them in a professional tone. That amount of effort, especially when compared to the average Talk page edit, and the attitude, should clearly show I'm genuinely interested in improving the article. And hell, I did all of that work just to edit one sentence.
2b) "Respect for core editing standards" You can see throughout my history -- RFK Jr page, Vivek Ramaswamy page, the ANI page, etc, that I prefer to have a good faith discussion and come to some consensus about what edits to make. Being so new I'm not comfortable with just editing pages before making some suggestions that people end up agreeing on.
2c) "A focus on encyclopedia building" The only "Non-encyclopedia-related contributions" I've made were all out of necessity. Reporting Hobgadling, trying to fix the ANI header, appealing my topic ban, appealing this unblock request. I think those were all things that needed to be addressed in order to improve this website. I do have a question that may conflict with this moving forward -- Can I make my way over to pages like RfB and WP:Arbitration Committee or is that going to cause problems?
2d) "Self-correction and heeding lessons" I have posted a bunch of useful policies, guidelines, and tips on my User page. I have personally thanked Cabayi because he's answered over a dozen of my questions. I have visited the Teahouse a few times. Every time somebody cites some policy I go and read it to understand it better and understand Wikipedia better. I don't think anyone will find many, if any, examples in my history that suggests otherwise.
3a) Firefangledfeathers suggested I agree to keep the vaccine and post-1992 politics topic ban. I do agree to this. I still haven't been given a timeline, which would be nice. When should I make the appeal? After a year? After 100 edits? [[User:Cmsmith93|Cmsmith93]] ([[User talk:Cmsmith93#top|talk]]) 01:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}
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{{unblock reviewed |1=Hey guys, ok, round two. Hopefully I can do a bit better this time around. So, per WP:GAB, I'm selecting, "that the block was not necessary to prevent damage or disruption".
1a) So Cullen and 331bot claim WP:NOTHERE and the first issue they point to is my lack of edits. On WP:NOTHERE page there is no requirement that says something like, "All user's must make x amount of edits within t amount of time." so my lack of edits seems to be irrelevant. I would like to make more edits in the future. I have outlined above the pages and topics I could contribute to.
1b) The other issue they've put forth is my edits being 'disruptive'. Cullen's block was in response to my topic ban appeal that Scottish put on me day's before. I don't think topic ban appeals would be interpreted as "disruptive behavior". And I haven't received a single quote of anything I said or did that was disruptive so I don't think 'disruption' holds.
2a) On this same WP:HTBAE page, I see points of what "Being here to build an encyclopedia" looks like. First, "Genuine interest and improvement". To prove this, I point to my first 'edit' in the RFK Jr article: /info/en/?search=Talk:Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr./Archive_3#The_evidence_for_the_two_claims_in_the_first_sentence_are_too_weak. Whether or not you agree with my argument, I think we can all agree I did my due diligence reading every source and addressing all of them in a professional tone. That amount of effort, especially when compared to the average Talk page edit, and the attitude, should clearly show I'm genuinely interested in improving the article. And hell, I did all of that work just to edit one sentence.
2b) "Respect for core editing standards" You can see throughout my history -- RFK Jr page, Vivek Ramaswamy page, the ANI page, etc, that I prefer to have a good faith discussion and come to some consensus about what edits to make. Being so new I'm not comfortable with just editing pages before making some suggestions that people end up agreeing on.
2c) "A focus on encyclopedia building" The only "Non-encyclopedia-related contributions" I've made were all out of necessity. Reporting Hobgadling, trying to fix the ANI header, appealing my topic ban, appealing this unblock request. I think those were all things that needed to be addressed in order to improve this website. I do have a question that may conflict with this moving forward -- Can I make my way over to pages like RfB and WP:Arbitration Committee or is that going to cause problems?
2d) "Self-correction and heeding lessons" I have posted a bunch of useful policies, guidelines, and tips on my User page. I have personally thanked Cabayi because he's answered over a dozen of my questions. I have visited the Teahouse a few times. Every time somebody cites some policy I go and read it to understand it better and understand Wikipedia better. I don't think anyone will find many, if any, examples in my history that suggests otherwise.
3a) Firefangledfeathers suggested I agree to keep the vaccine and post-1992 politics topic ban. I do agree to this. I still haven't been given a timeline, which would be nice. When should I make the appeal? After a year? After 100 edits? [[User:Cmsmith93|Cmsmith93]] ([[User talk:Cmsmith93#top|talk]]) 01:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}
Firefangledfeathers GorillaWarfare Hey Firefangledfeathers and GorillaWarfare, sorry to bother you two. Do you know what the hold up is here? I put in for my second unblock request and it looks like no new Administrator's have looked at it yet and it's been a few weeks. This will go to new Admin's right, or am I supposed to convince 331dot until he undoes it? Cmsmith93 ( talk) 21:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
331dot Am I good to go then or no? Cmsmith93 ( talk) 21:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Muboshgu Hi Muboshgu, sorry to bother you. Could you take a look at things here? I'm not understanding why I'm getting no response from the other administrators. Am I doing something wrong? I thought I put in for my second block appeal ok. Any guidance would be helpful/appreciated. Cmsmith93 ( talk) 21:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
The following are rules I've setup for my Talk page. You're more than welcome to post whatever you like here, but if you expect me to engage with you then you need to work within the following framework.
1. If you have never read Introduction to Logic by Copi or A Concise Introduction to Logic by Hurley then please utilize my Talk page in a limited capacity. Do not use any of the following logical fallacies: straw man, band wagon, or red herring.
2. Criticisms/complaints of me are welcome. I just ask that you be specific. Quote exactly what I said or be specific about the action I did that you have an issue with.
3. Topics and comments must be fruitful/worthwhile and in good faith.
Hi Chris,
It's Logan! Logantpowell ( talk) 17:10, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
While your alert to hobgoblin is alright, normally, when telling a user that they are subject to an ANI, you would use {{{subst:ANI-notice}}} (just without the extra {}). Thanks, that's all. Babysharkboss2!! ( Hells Bells (Talk Page btw)) 13:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
The following topic ban now applies to you:
You are indefinitely topic banned from post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, broadly construed
You have been sanctioned for WP:CIR, WP:DEADHORSE, and WP:IDHT
This topic ban is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Final decision and, if applicable, the contentious topics procedure. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. Please read WP:TBAN to understand what a topic ban is. If you do not comply with the topic ban, you may be blocked for an extended period to enforce the ban.
If you wish to appeal the ban, please read the appeals process. You are free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 01:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Cmsmith93, I have a serious question for you. Why are you editing Wikipedia, and what do you hope to achieve here? We all have our reasons, and it's not the same for everybody, and I just wondered what your reasons are, because I can't make it out. Looking at your 105 contributions thus far, I see that 77% of them are in Talk spaces, and none are improvements to articles. At the same time, in a single discussion at WP:AN, you name three admins who have called out your behavior previously. If we extrapolated that to 1,000 edits, 30 admins annoyed with you, and no article edits, and someone proposed to indefinitely block you at WP:ANI because you are clearly not here to build an encyclopedia, how would you respond? Actually, I don't think you have anywhere near that long, and you should respond now: Why are you here? Because currently, trouble seems to follow you around everywhere you go, and it's of your own doing. I think you have only a very short period to turn this around, before the decision will be taken out of your hands. So if you want to remain here and achieve something, time to do that is right now. Good luck, Mathglot ( talk) 11:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Can you please follow the instructions about substituting the template for the appeal? It's difficult for editors participating in the appeals process to follow along if the instructions for constructing the appeal aren't followed. Thanks! Philipnelson99 ( talk) 23:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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. That's a lot of questions. If you can narrow it down to a few, I'd be happy to answer some. I urge you to stop asserting that other editors and admins have particular emotions and motivations. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 03:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Two reasons: 1. Per WP:GAP, "You, as a blocked editor, are responsible for convincing administrators: that the block was not necessary to prevent damage or disruption (i.e., that the block violates our blocking policy)." Cullen never quoted what I said, or did, that was 'damaging' or 'disruptive' in his initial block and after asking him multiple times he still hasn't quoted me. The block came at a strange time -- right after I tried to appeal my topic ban set by Scottish. So, I don't know what it was that I was doing that was damaging or disruptive to the community, but I'm going to assume it's not appealing topic bans? 2. After speaking with Firefangledfeathers and 28bytes (this was in an email) I realize that I need to basically 'start small' here on Wikipedia. I disagree with the idea that someone is going to become better suited to discuss policy as they make more and more Wikipedia edits, outside of policy and guidelines, but this is the way things are done here and so that's what I will follow. 28bytes made it clear that I should edit "articles that are not subject to edit count restrictions". And then maybe one day move on to things like controversial topics, and then further down the line dive into the policies, guidelines, etc. 28bytes also suggested listing some articles I plan on editing. Articles involving physics, math, information technology, the U.S. military, informal logic, formal logic, ethics, poetry, and symbolism are all things I can touch up and contribute to. Cmsmith93 ( talk) 00:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Cullen328 quite clearly stated what you did wrong- "This is a project to build an encyclopedia and you have not made a single edit to improve an encycledia article. And yet you have time to argue with other editors." No one's going to write a blow by blow account of what specifically was wrong- you need to be able to figure this out yourself and articulate it to us as part of being unblocked- be it in the near term or per the standard offer. You'll also need to agree to topic bans from post-1992 US politics and vaccine related subjects. I am declining your request. 331dot ( talk) 11:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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331dot I tried to address that reasoning, but got ignored by Cullen... "Focusing on niche topic areas" is "What "not here to build an encyclopedia" is not" and Cullen pulled a red herring and didn't address that point. He also never addressed any of my follow up, "Hi Cullen, so on the Guide to appealing blocks page it says, ..." If you look at my first post on the RFK Jr article (Archive 3, "The evidence for the two claims in the first sentence are too weak."), you'll see I put a lot of effort into that post. If I was someone who puts in minimal effort or was here to be disruptive, then I wouldn't read 5+ articles and PDF's and clearly outline the faults in each one. I would probably do something close to what the dozen or so IP Address user's have been doing, or worse.
It's very odd to me that so many Admin here think it's reasonable to have one person guess another person's reasoning. Hopefully in a fictional scenario/example you can see how outlandish that request is. Let's say I'm a Bureaucrat and I remove your Admin privileges and I put an indefinite block on your account. I say, "It's because you have a history of CIR and ADMINABUSE." When you appeal the block and loss of your Admin privileges I refuse to clarify and tell you, "331, it's not my job to clarify for you. You need to guess what you did wrong. Go ahead of quote every time you committed CIR and ADMINABUSE for me and I'll remove the block and restore your Admin privilege's." I hope that clarifies things a bit and I hope you Admin push to make quoting the user mandatory for you guys, unless the user is clearly bad faith or racist or something, but otherwise - when someone is repeatedly asking to be quoted, that should be the standard, so everyone is on the same page and everyone can continue the discussion.
I didn't realize that some of these blocks can have timers less than 'indefinite' on them? I know you've already made your decision so I don't know if this can continue, but what do the Admin think about changing the timer from Indefinite to something a bit more finite? -- A few months maybe? I'd still like eventually to be able to edit pages. Oh and I already did agree to the vaccines and post-1992 U.S. politics bans. I don't like it, but I do agree to the terms, again, because I'm trying to be able to one day edit pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmsmith93 ( talk • contribs) 06:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
28bytes Nah, didn't work. I'm just getting ignored. 28, if steps from a Bureaucrat mean nothing to Admin, how am I, or anyone, supposed to get through an unblock appeal or a topic ban appeal? I'm also having difficulty understanding how warnings do not have to be issued before being topic banned or blocked and also how it's not mandatory for Admin to quote the user's wrongs. It makes punishments too easy to give and too difficult to appeal. I don't know. As always, any tips/advice are appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmsmith93 ( talk • contribs) 05:25, 11 March 2024 {UTC) (UTC)
@ Cullen328: OK to unblock? -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 09:30, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Are you familiar with READ ME messages in programming? Also, you haven't responded to my message to you above.. I have explained my thinking several times. I am under zero obligation to write a word-by-word analysis of this editor's "not here" behavior, which is clear to any experienced uninvolved editor. I have countless better things to do with my volunteer time, like expand and improve encyclopedia articles, which this editor has never done. That being said, if you decide to unblock, I will not object. Cullen328 ( talk) 18:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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1a) So Cullen and 331bot claim WP:NOTHERE and the first issue they point to is my lack of edits. On WP:NOTHERE page there is no requirement that says something like, "All user's must make x amount of edits within t amount of time." so my lack of edits seems to be irrelevant. I would like to make more edits in the future. I have outlined above the pages and topics I could contribute to.
1b) The other issue they've put forth is my edits being 'disruptive'. Cullen's block was in response to my topic ban appeal that Scottish put on me day's before. I don't think topic ban appeals would be interpreted as "disruptive behavior". And I haven't received a single quote of anything I said or did that was disruptive so I don't think 'disruption' holds.
2a) On this same WP:HTBAE page, I see points of what "Being here to build an encyclopedia" looks like. First, "Genuine interest and improvement". To prove this, I point to my first 'edit' in the RFK Jr article: /info/en/?search=Talk:Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr./Archive_3#The_evidence_for_the_two_claims_in_the_first_sentence_are_too_weak. Whether or not you agree with my argument, I think we can all agree I did my due diligence reading every source and addressing all of them in a professional tone. That amount of effort, especially when compared to the average Talk page edit, and the attitude, should clearly show I'm genuinely interested in improving the article. And hell, I did all of that work just to edit one sentence.
2b) "Respect for core editing standards" You can see throughout my history -- RFK Jr page, Vivek Ramaswamy page, the ANI page, etc, that I prefer to have a good faith discussion and come to some consensus about what edits to make. Being so new I'm not comfortable with just editing pages before making some suggestions that people end up agreeing on.
2c) "A focus on encyclopedia building" The only "Non-encyclopedia-related contributions" I've made were all out of necessity. Reporting Hobgadling, trying to fix the ANI header, appealing my topic ban, appealing this unblock request. I think those were all things that needed to be addressed in order to improve this website. I do have a question that may conflict with this moving forward -- Can I make my way over to pages like RfB and WP:Arbitration Committee or is that going to cause problems?
2d) "Self-correction and heeding lessons" I have posted a bunch of useful policies, guidelines, and tips on my User page. I have personally thanked Cabayi because he's answered over a dozen of my questions. I have visited the Teahouse a few times. Every time somebody cites some policy I go and read it to understand it better and understand Wikipedia better. I don't think anyone will find many, if any, examples in my history that suggests otherwise.
3a) Firefangledfeathers suggested I agree to keep the vaccine and post-1992 politics topic ban. I do agree to this. I still haven't been given a timeline, which would be nice. When should I make the appeal? After a year? After 100 edits? Cmsmith93 ( talk) 01:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)Notes:
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{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=Hey guys, ok, round two. Hopefully I can do a bit better this time around. So, per WP:GAB, I'm selecting, "that the block was not necessary to prevent damage or disruption".
1a) So Cullen and 331bot claim WP:NOTHERE and the first issue they point to is my lack of edits. On WP:NOTHERE page there is no requirement that says something like, "All user's must make x amount of edits within t amount of time." so my lack of edits seems to be irrelevant. I would like to make more edits in the future. I have outlined above the pages and topics I could contribute to.
1b) The other issue they've put forth is my edits being 'disruptive'. Cullen's block was in response to my topic ban appeal that Scottish put on me day's before. I don't think topic ban appeals would be interpreted as "disruptive behavior". And I haven't received a single quote of anything I said or did that was disruptive so I don't think 'disruption' holds.
2a) On this same WP:HTBAE page, I see points of what "Being here to build an encyclopedia" looks like. First, "Genuine interest and improvement". To prove this, I point to my first 'edit' in the RFK Jr article: /info/en/?search=Talk:Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr./Archive_3#The_evidence_for_the_two_claims_in_the_first_sentence_are_too_weak. Whether or not you agree with my argument, I think we can all agree I did my due diligence reading every source and addressing all of them in a professional tone. That amount of effort, especially when compared to the average Talk page edit, and the attitude, should clearly show I'm genuinely interested in improving the article. And hell, I did all of that work just to edit one sentence.
2b) "Respect for core editing standards" You can see throughout my history -- RFK Jr page, Vivek Ramaswamy page, the ANI page, etc, that I prefer to have a good faith discussion and come to some consensus about what edits to make. Being so new I'm not comfortable with just editing pages before making some suggestions that people end up agreeing on.
2c) "A focus on encyclopedia building" The only "Non-encyclopedia-related contributions" I've made were all out of necessity. Reporting Hobgadling, trying to fix the ANI header, appealing my topic ban, appealing this unblock request. I think those were all things that needed to be addressed in order to improve this website. I do have a question that may conflict with this moving forward -- Can I make my way over to pages like RfB and WP:Arbitration Committee or is that going to cause problems?
2d) "Self-correction and heeding lessons" I have posted a bunch of useful policies, guidelines, and tips on my User page. I have personally thanked Cabayi because he's answered over a dozen of my questions. I have visited the Teahouse a few times. Every time somebody cites some policy I go and read it to understand it better and understand Wikipedia better. I don't think anyone will find many, if any, examples in my history that suggests otherwise.
3a) Firefangledfeathers suggested I agree to keep the vaccine and post-1992 politics topic ban. I do agree to this. I still haven't been given a timeline, which would be nice. When should I make the appeal? After a year? After 100 edits? [[User:Cmsmith93|Cmsmith93]] ([[User talk:Cmsmith93#top|talk]]) 01:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |3 = ~~~~}}
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{{unblock reviewed |1=Hey guys, ok, round two. Hopefully I can do a bit better this time around. So, per WP:GAB, I'm selecting, "that the block was not necessary to prevent damage or disruption".
1a) So Cullen and 331bot claim WP:NOTHERE and the first issue they point to is my lack of edits. On WP:NOTHERE page there is no requirement that says something like, "All user's must make x amount of edits within t amount of time." so my lack of edits seems to be irrelevant. I would like to make more edits in the future. I have outlined above the pages and topics I could contribute to.
1b) The other issue they've put forth is my edits being 'disruptive'. Cullen's block was in response to my topic ban appeal that Scottish put on me day's before. I don't think topic ban appeals would be interpreted as "disruptive behavior". And I haven't received a single quote of anything I said or did that was disruptive so I don't think 'disruption' holds.
2a) On this same WP:HTBAE page, I see points of what "Being here to build an encyclopedia" looks like. First, "Genuine interest and improvement". To prove this, I point to my first 'edit' in the RFK Jr article: /info/en/?search=Talk:Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr./Archive_3#The_evidence_for_the_two_claims_in_the_first_sentence_are_too_weak. Whether or not you agree with my argument, I think we can all agree I did my due diligence reading every source and addressing all of them in a professional tone. That amount of effort, especially when compared to the average Talk page edit, and the attitude, should clearly show I'm genuinely interested in improving the article. And hell, I did all of that work just to edit one sentence.
2b) "Respect for core editing standards" You can see throughout my history -- RFK Jr page, Vivek Ramaswamy page, the ANI page, etc, that I prefer to have a good faith discussion and come to some consensus about what edits to make. Being so new I'm not comfortable with just editing pages before making some suggestions that people end up agreeing on.
2c) "A focus on encyclopedia building" The only "Non-encyclopedia-related contributions" I've made were all out of necessity. Reporting Hobgadling, trying to fix the ANI header, appealing my topic ban, appealing this unblock request. I think those were all things that needed to be addressed in order to improve this website. I do have a question that may conflict with this moving forward -- Can I make my way over to pages like RfB and WP:Arbitration Committee or is that going to cause problems?
2d) "Self-correction and heeding lessons" I have posted a bunch of useful policies, guidelines, and tips on my User page. I have personally thanked Cabayi because he's answered over a dozen of my questions. I have visited the Teahouse a few times. Every time somebody cites some policy I go and read it to understand it better and understand Wikipedia better. I don't think anyone will find many, if any, examples in my history that suggests otherwise.
3a) Firefangledfeathers suggested I agree to keep the vaccine and post-1992 politics topic ban. I do agree to this. I still haven't been given a timeline, which would be nice. When should I make the appeal? After a year? After 100 edits? [[User:Cmsmith93|Cmsmith93]] ([[User talk:Cmsmith93#top|talk]]) 01:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}
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{{unblock reviewed |1=Hey guys, ok, round two. Hopefully I can do a bit better this time around. So, per WP:GAB, I'm selecting, "that the block was not necessary to prevent damage or disruption".
1a) So Cullen and 331bot claim WP:NOTHERE and the first issue they point to is my lack of edits. On WP:NOTHERE page there is no requirement that says something like, "All user's must make x amount of edits within t amount of time." so my lack of edits seems to be irrelevant. I would like to make more edits in the future. I have outlined above the pages and topics I could contribute to.
1b) The other issue they've put forth is my edits being 'disruptive'. Cullen's block was in response to my topic ban appeal that Scottish put on me day's before. I don't think topic ban appeals would be interpreted as "disruptive behavior". And I haven't received a single quote of anything I said or did that was disruptive so I don't think 'disruption' holds.
2a) On this same WP:HTBAE page, I see points of what "Being here to build an encyclopedia" looks like. First, "Genuine interest and improvement". To prove this, I point to my first 'edit' in the RFK Jr article: /info/en/?search=Talk:Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr./Archive_3#The_evidence_for_the_two_claims_in_the_first_sentence_are_too_weak. Whether or not you agree with my argument, I think we can all agree I did my due diligence reading every source and addressing all of them in a professional tone. That amount of effort, especially when compared to the average Talk page edit, and the attitude, should clearly show I'm genuinely interested in improving the article. And hell, I did all of that work just to edit one sentence.
2b) "Respect for core editing standards" You can see throughout my history -- RFK Jr page, Vivek Ramaswamy page, the ANI page, etc, that I prefer to have a good faith discussion and come to some consensus about what edits to make. Being so new I'm not comfortable with just editing pages before making some suggestions that people end up agreeing on.
2c) "A focus on encyclopedia building" The only "Non-encyclopedia-related contributions" I've made were all out of necessity. Reporting Hobgadling, trying to fix the ANI header, appealing my topic ban, appealing this unblock request. I think those were all things that needed to be addressed in order to improve this website. I do have a question that may conflict with this moving forward -- Can I make my way over to pages like RfB and WP:Arbitration Committee or is that going to cause problems?
2d) "Self-correction and heeding lessons" I have posted a bunch of useful policies, guidelines, and tips on my User page. I have personally thanked Cabayi because he's answered over a dozen of my questions. I have visited the Teahouse a few times. Every time somebody cites some policy I go and read it to understand it better and understand Wikipedia better. I don't think anyone will find many, if any, examples in my history that suggests otherwise.
3a) Firefangledfeathers suggested I agree to keep the vaccine and post-1992 politics topic ban. I do agree to this. I still haven't been given a timeline, which would be nice. When should I make the appeal? After a year? After 100 edits? [[User:Cmsmith93|Cmsmith93]] ([[User talk:Cmsmith93#top|talk]]) 01:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}
Firefangledfeathers GorillaWarfare Hey Firefangledfeathers and GorillaWarfare, sorry to bother you two. Do you know what the hold up is here? I put in for my second unblock request and it looks like no new Administrator's have looked at it yet and it's been a few weeks. This will go to new Admin's right, or am I supposed to convince 331dot until he undoes it? Cmsmith93 ( talk) 21:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
331dot Am I good to go then or no? Cmsmith93 ( talk) 21:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Muboshgu Hi Muboshgu, sorry to bother you. Could you take a look at things here? I'm not understanding why I'm getting no response from the other administrators. Am I doing something wrong? I thought I put in for my second block appeal ok. Any guidance would be helpful/appreciated. Cmsmith93 ( talk) 21:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)