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Talk:Greece: Please see Wikipedia's
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Fut.Perf.
☼ 06:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
That's very rich coming from you given your exhibited attitude. Sure, block me all you like but it won't change one iota of the fact that:
- You're the one-eyed leader of a pack of blind "specialists" that insist on editing articles about Greece lacking basic information about the country at best (when censuses happen) or purposefully ignoring it at worst (did you ever do anything about the bogus "census" number?).
- For all your "expertise" the whole lot of your gang still cannot write something reliable when it comes to the numbers of linguistic groups in Greece. I drop the hint about the V-PRC survey and your sorry lot still go on about Kiesling's State Department estimate.
- Even after citing the Eurominority reports (while making sure the Arvanitika in Epirus are shown as Albanian) you still have not updated your map of linguistic minorities in Greece to show the Arvanites in Thrace. I mean you fools show half of my island as Arvanite speaking when the language is unfortunately almost entirely lost and despite there being more active speakers in Thrace you don't even show them. So much for "expertise" and respect for the sources.
- You complain that you are misunderstood with respect to your broad use of the color brush in the map of Macedonian Slavic dialects in Greece even when it is pointed out to you that your color maps include areas where there were never any settlements of Slavic speaking villages at all. Then you trivialize objections ("a few kilometers" etc.) and suggest that what you do is perfectly kosher. But when you prepare a similar map of Greek dialects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Modern_Greek_dialects_en.svg instead of following the same rationale and including areas of minimal use of the Greek language (even if it was in the past and no more - just as you argue for your Macedonian map) you stop at the borders of Greece. Obviously the Greeks in Albania and Bulgaria (I won't bother with the Greek linguistic presence - especially in the past - in the Bitola, Gevgelija and Strumica region as I expect them to be invisible to you) are not worth recording (or maybe they are mute in your pretty little world). What about the Greek speaking Turks still left in Turkey (mainly from Crete and Macedonia as well as the Pontus)? I mean OK, screw the linguistic presence in Turkey before 1922 - you obviously have perverse ideas of what time boundaries to use - but at least respect today's reality. If my grandfather's bilingual generation of Arvanite speakers make half the island of Andros Arvanite should you not indicate the presence of the Greek speaking old-people in Turkey? Your double standards are so blatantly obvious it is not even funny that a person such as you wields so much power in WP. I would not even be bothering if it were not for the fact that lazy academics outside of WP have started using these monstrosities you call maps...
My commenting on content cannot be separated from the obvious biases/deficiencies of the editors responsible for the content. And no-one observing your behavior or that of your fellow goons would assume good faith on your part. Ce107 ( talk) 21:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
In a 2007
arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing
Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you.
In particular, making personal attacks, despite being warned against it. I have blocked this account for a week for the attacks. On your return, if such behavior resumes further action is likely. Kevin ( talk) 05:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- What FPS could not ban me himself and he had to get reinforcements? I only get a week? Damn - in the army they handed off 2 weeks in prison for far less insolence to our "superiors"... I fact I did not change any article in any objectionable way - I just commented on the arrogance of the editors who upheld clearly erroneous sources on the discussion page. And my comments above to FPS beyond the personal aspect include factual objections that he simply chooses not to address. So I suggest you change the rules to include discussion and user talk pages before threatening me with them. And put a ban on Taivo as well (yeah sure) for engaging in a war of personal attacks with me.
- You people made it personal with ethnic profiling. Don't complain about the consequences. Ce107 ( talk) 14:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Regarding your comments on
Talk:Greece: Please see Wikipedia's
no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to
blocks for disruption. Please
stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.
Fut.Perf.
☼ 06:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
That's very rich coming from you given your exhibited attitude. Sure, block me all you like but it won't change one iota of the fact that:
- You're the one-eyed leader of a pack of blind "specialists" that insist on editing articles about Greece lacking basic information about the country at best (when censuses happen) or purposefully ignoring it at worst (did you ever do anything about the bogus "census" number?).
- For all your "expertise" the whole lot of your gang still cannot write something reliable when it comes to the numbers of linguistic groups in Greece. I drop the hint about the V-PRC survey and your sorry lot still go on about Kiesling's State Department estimate.
- Even after citing the Eurominority reports (while making sure the Arvanitika in Epirus are shown as Albanian) you still have not updated your map of linguistic minorities in Greece to show the Arvanites in Thrace. I mean you fools show half of my island as Arvanite speaking when the language is unfortunately almost entirely lost and despite there being more active speakers in Thrace you don't even show them. So much for "expertise" and respect for the sources.
- You complain that you are misunderstood with respect to your broad use of the color brush in the map of Macedonian Slavic dialects in Greece even when it is pointed out to you that your color maps include areas where there were never any settlements of Slavic speaking villages at all. Then you trivialize objections ("a few kilometers" etc.) and suggest that what you do is perfectly kosher. But when you prepare a similar map of Greek dialects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Modern_Greek_dialects_en.svg instead of following the same rationale and including areas of minimal use of the Greek language (even if it was in the past and no more - just as you argue for your Macedonian map) you stop at the borders of Greece. Obviously the Greeks in Albania and Bulgaria (I won't bother with the Greek linguistic presence - especially in the past - in the Bitola, Gevgelija and Strumica region as I expect them to be invisible to you) are not worth recording (or maybe they are mute in your pretty little world). What about the Greek speaking Turks still left in Turkey (mainly from Crete and Macedonia as well as the Pontus)? I mean OK, screw the linguistic presence in Turkey before 1922 - you obviously have perverse ideas of what time boundaries to use - but at least respect today's reality. If my grandfather's bilingual generation of Arvanite speakers make half the island of Andros Arvanite should you not indicate the presence of the Greek speaking old-people in Turkey? Your double standards are so blatantly obvious it is not even funny that a person such as you wields so much power in WP. I would not even be bothering if it were not for the fact that lazy academics outside of WP have started using these monstrosities you call maps...
My commenting on content cannot be separated from the obvious biases/deficiencies of the editors responsible for the content. And no-one observing your behavior or that of your fellow goons would assume good faith on your part. Ce107 ( talk) 21:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
In a 2007
arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing
Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you.
In particular, making personal attacks, despite being warned against it. I have blocked this account for a week for the attacks. On your return, if such behavior resumes further action is likely. Kevin ( talk) 05:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- What FPS could not ban me himself and he had to get reinforcements? I only get a week? Damn - in the army they handed off 2 weeks in prison for far less insolence to our "superiors"... I fact I did not change any article in any objectionable way - I just commented on the arrogance of the editors who upheld clearly erroneous sources on the discussion page. And my comments above to FPS beyond the personal aspect include factual objections that he simply chooses not to address. So I suggest you change the rules to include discussion and user talk pages before threatening me with them. And put a ban on Taivo as well (yeah sure) for engaging in a war of personal attacks with me.
- You people made it personal with ethnic profiling. Don't complain about the consequences. Ce107 ( talk) 14:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)