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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this:
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings to display the date in the format the user wishes.
You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Here is an example for a book:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
These formats are all acceptable for dates:
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.
More information can be found at:
I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know. Ty 01:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC) |
Hello Modernist. I am a beginner here, but have high education in fine arts and contemporary culture. I have noticed your interventions on almost all the pages that interest me too, and they were always full of knowledge, balanced and intelligent. I am writing to ask if I can contact you when I doubt some informations and believe that they should be deleted, or when I have some suggestions that I cannot apply yet. Best regards Artethical ( talk) 13:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- If you run into trouble, leave me a message here or on my talk page. Read what other editors have done carefully, and explore this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts. Good luck! Modernist ( talk) 14:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Just click on here: or [1] and add your name... then place the blue template on your user page if you want to. Modernist ( talk) 21:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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Please note books should only be added to "References2 if they have actually been used for the article. Other books go below in a "Further reading" section. Thanks, Johnbod ( talk) 14:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the word major from one of your edits, it is important to try to remain in concert with WP:NPOV, no disrespect intended to you or to your subject... Modernist ( talk) 14:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- Its actually across the board, both men and women artists, old and new, famous, major, minor, somewhat obscure, midcareer, over the hill, superstars, stars, has beens, you name it...contemporary, Renaissance, they all need intelligent and accurate and more complete work..do your best, lots to do. Modernist ( talk) 20:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I looked at the section, it's okay. You've made a good addition... Modernist ( talk) 21:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- I presume that's a comment on the Frida Kahlo page, and, if so, I agree. If they were used as refs, the footnotes should show this, and they don't. Have a look at the ref guide I've posted above, and in particular the "alternative system" section near the end. Don't worry too much about getting things wrong: see WP:BOLD. Edits are reversible, and as long as you leave an edit summary, it will be apparent why you have made an edit. If someone jumps on you, just explain you're a new editor and still finding your way. Ty 01:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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Please see the thread on AN/I. This matter has been discussed at length and appropriate measures taken to deal with it. Basically, it has been agreed that Ettinger is notable and that her name belongs in certain other articles than the one about her, but that there are various articles where it does not legitimately belong. The former are being (semi-)protected, and her name is being removed from the latter. You are of course welcome to debate this with the relevant editors, but please don't go round mass reinserting the name, particularly where it has been removed by an established editor. Of course keep a watch out for vandalism which is being carried out by IPs concerning her. If you spot that, then it's probably best to add to the thread on AN/I. I hope this clarifies. Ty 23:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually a lot of editors have been trying to help and fix and sort these deletions out. Read the entire thread all 4 sections here: [2] and stay cool. Modernist ( talk) 00:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I did not do it naively, and the changes should not be reverted. I have no doubt that Ettinger is notable. However to call her a notable psychoanalyst on the level of Lacan, Kristeva, and Irigaray is a farce, as is treating the Matrixial gaze as in some way on the same level of importance as Mulvey's original concept. There is a huge line between notable enough for an article and notable enough to have been put in all the places she was. Phil Sandifer ( talk) 03:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Your accusations against Ori Redler are very severe and you are not providing any evidence.
Can you at least provide a link to support your claims? -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 15:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Please go on his facebook and follow the list. This is a bit frightening. see also the list called Righteous Jews on the Google. you will see Brach's name added to this list, and there are many discussion. The follow something called hebrew university monitoring agains righteous jews. I am not a political person. Ettinger is not political either - she is simply humanist activist targeted. Artethical ( talk) 15:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- I tried and i don't see it. Can you please tell me what do you click to see this list? -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 15:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Please stop reverting this article. I do not doubt Ettinger's general notability, but the Google Scholar and Google Books links do nothing to establish her on the level of Kristeva, Freud, and Lacan. Phil Sandifer ( talk) 17:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Phil Sandifer ( talk) 15:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC) has opened an account to eliminate Ettinger from different pages. I am asking an administrator advice here. Artethical ( talk) 17:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC) Artethical ( talk) 17:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Excuse me? I've had my account since 2004, and I've been an administrator almost that long.. Phil Sandifer ( talk) 17:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't wish to offend. I realize that I was taken by surprise and over-reacted. Apologies. Artethical ( talk) 22:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Artethical, please be very careful and stop making such accusations against Phil Sandifer and Ori Redler. This is unacceptable. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 19:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, many thanks. Artethical ( talk) 21:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. If you have some time can you help out here? The article was a total train wreck and I made major revisions. The previous version had some material from Raymond Williams in it, but all jumbled up with anthropology and cultural studies was not named as a distinct approach or set of approaches. I deleted redundancies and fringe views and reorganized the rest so that distinct approaches were clear. That said, I am pretty weak on cultural studies. So I made a place in the article for it, but what I wrote could be off and is surely incomplete (my strength is in anthropology). I'd appreciate it if you could look at it soon and flesh out the differences between how anthropology and cultural studies understand and look at culture, clarify anything I muddled, and correct any mistakes. I do not think this article should replace the articles on cultural anthropology or on cultural studies, but I do think these disciplines provide important contexts for explaining different approaches to culture. (also, I stuck to basics ... I did not go into the most recent approaches, and this is another area in which the article needs work) Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 23:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
See Talk:New European Painting. This is a very interesting subject, but comes across more like an essay than a wikipedia article, where everything must be derived from existing sources and established usage. You may be too far ahead of the game here. Ty 15:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this:
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings to display the date in the format the user wishes.
You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Here is an example for a book:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
These formats are all acceptable for dates:
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.
More information can be found at:
I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know. Ty 01:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC) |
Hello Modernist. I am a beginner here, but have high education in fine arts and contemporary culture. I have noticed your interventions on almost all the pages that interest me too, and they were always full of knowledge, balanced and intelligent. I am writing to ask if I can contact you when I doubt some informations and believe that they should be deleted, or when I have some suggestions that I cannot apply yet. Best regards Artethical ( talk) 13:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- If you run into trouble, leave me a message here or on my talk page. Read what other editors have done carefully, and explore this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts. Good luck! Modernist ( talk) 14:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Just click on here: or [1] and add your name... then place the blue template on your user page if you want to. Modernist ( talk) 21:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
This user is a participant in WikiProject Visual arts.
- I've put some bits on your user page. Just delete what you don't want - or add more. Ty 00:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
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Please note books should only be added to "References2 if they have actually been used for the article. Other books go below in a "Further reading" section. Thanks, Johnbod ( talk) 14:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the word major from one of your edits, it is important to try to remain in concert with WP:NPOV, no disrespect intended to you or to your subject... Modernist ( talk) 14:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- Its actually across the board, both men and women artists, old and new, famous, major, minor, somewhat obscure, midcareer, over the hill, superstars, stars, has beens, you name it...contemporary, Renaissance, they all need intelligent and accurate and more complete work..do your best, lots to do. Modernist ( talk) 20:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I looked at the section, it's okay. You've made a good addition... Modernist ( talk) 21:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- I presume that's a comment on the Frida Kahlo page, and, if so, I agree. If they were used as refs, the footnotes should show this, and they don't. Have a look at the ref guide I've posted above, and in particular the "alternative system" section near the end. Don't worry too much about getting things wrong: see WP:BOLD. Edits are reversible, and as long as you leave an edit summary, it will be apparent why you have made an edit. If someone jumps on you, just explain you're a new editor and still finding your way. Ty 01:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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Please see the thread on AN/I. This matter has been discussed at length and appropriate measures taken to deal with it. Basically, it has been agreed that Ettinger is notable and that her name belongs in certain other articles than the one about her, but that there are various articles where it does not legitimately belong. The former are being (semi-)protected, and her name is being removed from the latter. You are of course welcome to debate this with the relevant editors, but please don't go round mass reinserting the name, particularly where it has been removed by an established editor. Of course keep a watch out for vandalism which is being carried out by IPs concerning her. If you spot that, then it's probably best to add to the thread on AN/I. I hope this clarifies. Ty 23:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually a lot of editors have been trying to help and fix and sort these deletions out. Read the entire thread all 4 sections here: [2] and stay cool. Modernist ( talk) 00:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I did not do it naively, and the changes should not be reverted. I have no doubt that Ettinger is notable. However to call her a notable psychoanalyst on the level of Lacan, Kristeva, and Irigaray is a farce, as is treating the Matrixial gaze as in some way on the same level of importance as Mulvey's original concept. There is a huge line between notable enough for an article and notable enough to have been put in all the places she was. Phil Sandifer ( talk) 03:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Your accusations against Ori Redler are very severe and you are not providing any evidence.
Can you at least provide a link to support your claims? -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 15:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Please go on his facebook and follow the list. This is a bit frightening. see also the list called Righteous Jews on the Google. you will see Brach's name added to this list, and there are many discussion. The follow something called hebrew university monitoring agains righteous jews. I am not a political person. Ettinger is not political either - she is simply humanist activist targeted. Artethical ( talk) 15:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- I tried and i don't see it. Can you please tell me what do you click to see this list? -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 15:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Please stop reverting this article. I do not doubt Ettinger's general notability, but the Google Scholar and Google Books links do nothing to establish her on the level of Kristeva, Freud, and Lacan. Phil Sandifer ( talk) 17:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Phil Sandifer ( talk) 15:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC) has opened an account to eliminate Ettinger from different pages. I am asking an administrator advice here. Artethical ( talk) 17:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC) Artethical ( talk) 17:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Excuse me? I've had my account since 2004, and I've been an administrator almost that long.. Phil Sandifer ( talk) 17:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't wish to offend. I realize that I was taken by surprise and over-reacted. Apologies. Artethical ( talk) 22:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Artethical, please be very careful and stop making such accusations against Phil Sandifer and Ori Redler. This is unacceptable. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 19:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, many thanks. Artethical ( talk) 21:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. If you have some time can you help out here? The article was a total train wreck and I made major revisions. The previous version had some material from Raymond Williams in it, but all jumbled up with anthropology and cultural studies was not named as a distinct approach or set of approaches. I deleted redundancies and fringe views and reorganized the rest so that distinct approaches were clear. That said, I am pretty weak on cultural studies. So I made a place in the article for it, but what I wrote could be off and is surely incomplete (my strength is in anthropology). I'd appreciate it if you could look at it soon and flesh out the differences between how anthropology and cultural studies understand and look at culture, clarify anything I muddled, and correct any mistakes. I do not think this article should replace the articles on cultural anthropology or on cultural studies, but I do think these disciplines provide important contexts for explaining different approaches to culture. (also, I stuck to basics ... I did not go into the most recent approaches, and this is another area in which the article needs work) Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 23:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
See Talk:New European Painting. This is a very interesting subject, but comes across more like an essay than a wikipedia article, where everything must be derived from existing sources and established usage. You may be too far ahead of the game here. Ty 15:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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