Original research on 1998 FIFA World Cup
Saint-Denis is a commune in the suburbs of Paris- just look at its Wikipedia article. All of the World Cup articles that have stadiums located in suburban towns of major metropolitan cities are listed as such in all of the Wikipedia FIFA World Cup articles. Also- if you've been to Paris, like I have recently the Stade de France is an easy and quick train ride from the center of Paris.-- Hmdwgf ( talk) 22:46, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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Hmdwgf: Other World Cup articles don’t do this (or they shouldn’t, anyway). You might be thinking of
1994 FIFA World Cup where some host city names are different from the municipalities where the stadiums are located (Pontiac vs Detroit, Foxboro vs Boston). In those cases, the host city names are official names designated by FIFA, not Wikipedians doing their own research. You can correct me if I’m wrong, but FIFA referred to the Final site as “St. Denis”, not “Paris area”.
Ytoyoda (
talk) 02:01, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
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Ytoyoda: Yes, that's true, they did refer to it as "Saint Denis", but you're missing the point, and there is a reason why "Paris" area is written in small letters surrounded by parentheses below the actual location. They only referred to it as "Saint Denis" (no abbreviation on "Saint") because FIFA is a Zurich-based organization and FIFA was holding this tournament inside their base market, whereas the United States is outside their base market, so they felt they needed to list iconic city names like "Los Angeles" and "New York". But there shouldn't be a difference. It's there for the same reason why the cities listed in the 1994 WC article are listed in small letters (aside from the FIFA designated names of stadium locations): it's to provide specifics that Saint-Denis is part of the Paris metro area, and Paris, being such a famous and important city would be a good detail to add underneath. And on top of that, there are multiple places called "Saint Denis" in France, much like there are 9 different towns in the United States called "Pasadena".--
Hmdwgf (
talk) 06:19, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Interpreting FIFA's intent based on your own knowledge is textbook WP:OR. The point is, the official sources didn't make a point of explaining that Saint-Denis was in the "Paris are". And also, a seemingly small but an important distinction with 1994 is that the city names in small letters in parenthesis are the official host city names. They're not added by Wikipedians to explain which metro areas Pontiac and Foxboro are located. I'm going to remove the "Paris area" text again, but I'm happy to continue the discussion in Talk:1998 FIFA World Cup. Thanks. Ytoyoda ( talk) 15:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
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Ytoyoda: Yes, that's true, they did refer to it as "Saint Denis", but you're missing the point, and there is a reason why "Paris" area is written in small letters surrounded by parentheses below the actual location. They only referred to it as "Saint Denis" (no abbreviation on "Saint") because FIFA is a Zurich-based organization and FIFA was holding this tournament inside their base market, whereas the United States is outside their base market, so they felt they needed to list iconic city names like "Los Angeles" and "New York". But there shouldn't be a difference. It's there for the same reason why the cities listed in the 1994 WC article are listed in small letters (aside from the FIFA designated names of stadium locations): it's to provide specifics that Saint-Denis is part of the Paris metro area, and Paris, being such a famous and important city would be a good detail to add underneath. And on top of that, there are multiple places called "Saint Denis" in France, much like there are 9 different towns in the United States called "Pasadena".--
Hmdwgf (
talk) 06:19, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Original research on 1998 FIFA World Cup
Saint-Denis is a commune in the suburbs of Paris- just look at its Wikipedia article. All of the World Cup articles that have stadiums located in suburban towns of major metropolitan cities are listed as such in all of the Wikipedia FIFA World Cup articles. Also- if you've been to Paris, like I have recently the Stade de France is an easy and quick train ride from the center of Paris.-- Hmdwgf ( talk) 22:46, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- @
Hmdwgf: Other World Cup articles don’t do this (or they shouldn’t, anyway). You might be thinking of
1994 FIFA World Cup where some host city names are different from the municipalities where the stadiums are located (Pontiac vs Detroit, Foxboro vs Boston). In those cases, the host city names are official names designated by FIFA, not Wikipedians doing their own research. You can correct me if I’m wrong, but FIFA referred to the Final site as “St. Denis”, not “Paris area”.
Ytoyoda (
talk) 02:01, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- @
Ytoyoda: Yes, that's true, they did refer to it as "Saint Denis", but you're missing the point, and there is a reason why "Paris" area is written in small letters surrounded by parentheses below the actual location. They only referred to it as "Saint Denis" (no abbreviation on "Saint") because FIFA is a Zurich-based organization and FIFA was holding this tournament inside their base market, whereas the United States is outside their base market, so they felt they needed to list iconic city names like "Los Angeles" and "New York". But there shouldn't be a difference. It's there for the same reason why the cities listed in the 1994 WC article are listed in small letters (aside from the FIFA designated names of stadium locations): it's to provide specifics that Saint-Denis is part of the Paris metro area, and Paris, being such a famous and important city would be a good detail to add underneath. And on top of that, there are multiple places called "Saint Denis" in France, much like there are 9 different towns in the United States called "Pasadena".--
Hmdwgf (
talk) 06:19, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Interpreting FIFA's intent based on your own knowledge is textbook WP:OR. The point is, the official sources didn't make a point of explaining that Saint-Denis was in the "Paris are". And also, a seemingly small but an important distinction with 1994 is that the city names in small letters in parenthesis are the official host city names. They're not added by Wikipedians to explain which metro areas Pontiac and Foxboro are located. I'm going to remove the "Paris area" text again, but I'm happy to continue the discussion in Talk:1998 FIFA World Cup. Thanks. Ytoyoda ( talk) 15:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- @
Ytoyoda: Yes, that's true, they did refer to it as "Saint Denis", but you're missing the point, and there is a reason why "Paris" area is written in small letters surrounded by parentheses below the actual location. They only referred to it as "Saint Denis" (no abbreviation on "Saint") because FIFA is a Zurich-based organization and FIFA was holding this tournament inside their base market, whereas the United States is outside their base market, so they felt they needed to list iconic city names like "Los Angeles" and "New York". But there shouldn't be a difference. It's there for the same reason why the cities listed in the 1994 WC article are listed in small letters (aside from the FIFA designated names of stadium locations): it's to provide specifics that Saint-Denis is part of the Paris metro area, and Paris, being such a famous and important city would be a good detail to add underneath. And on top of that, there are multiple places called "Saint Denis" in France, much like there are 9 different towns in the United States called "Pasadena".--
Hmdwgf (
talk) 06:19, 8 December 2020 (UTC)