Hi Adarshalphons9! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at
Adarsh Alphons that may not have been. "
Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as
typo corrections or reverting obvious
vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you.
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg!
Talk 14:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Adarshalphons9. We
welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things
you have written about on the page
Adarsh Alphons, you may have a
conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the
conflict of interest guideline and
FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:
- avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
- propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{ edit COI}} template);
- disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
- avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
- do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg! Talk 14:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @
JayCubby, thanks for the quick response. Thanks for the tip that this is not a minor edit, however, there seems to be some confusion here - there isn't any conflict of interest. I am not paid to write/ edit on Wiki or pay others to do the same. I am not sure how I can prove this, but happy to provide anything to support my case that there isn't a conflict. My page has been on wiki for a while and it's nothing people don't already know (mostly about my charitable work). However, the undue qualifer that this page was paid work is strange, confusing and patently false. I hope you can remove that tag, as I tried to do it and you reverted it.
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 14:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I will ping @
Bilby, who added the tag in the first place. I have no way of knowing as well. Cheers!
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg!
Talk 14:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I just shared this on Bilby's page - Thanks for opening this discussion. Unless there's a provable conflict, it would not be fair to go about marking random wiki pages with these conflict templates. The person marking templates as such should also address the larger question - are the contributions made up/ fabricated or are the contents independently verifiable? I would assert that all content mentioned can be corroborated via a legitimate publications. Please feel free to search on any search engine you prefer
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 14:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- (same comment as on @ Bilby's talk page):
- I will not comment on article content, however another user seems to have been in contact with you way back in 2018. That implies at the very least an instance of COI editing, regardless of factual accuracy.
- 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg! Talk 14:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. I just checked my records, and the reason for the tag was because an editor was hired via Upwork to edit Wikipedia to add content about ProjectArt in February. After the editor was hired, an IP made edits that added content about ProjectArt to the Adarsh Alphons article
here, and the person hired (a banned paid editor) was subsequently paid on Upwork shortly after the edits were made. -
Bilby (
talk) 03:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- hi @
Bilby- can you share more info about who was hired and how? Any way I can verify this?
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 18:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- There's not a lot I can provide, as doing so would connect an IP address with a real name. I can send this along to en-paid, though, as they handle confidential information, and they coulld verify the job. If it helps, the job was specifically to add content to an existing article, was created by someone in Brooklyn, and the same account had previously hired people to work on projectart.org's website. -
Bilby (
talk) 00:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Very interesting - one comment and two questions. Based on what you are saying, it appears as if you have access to Upwork's user's IP addresses, which Upwork, a publicy-traded marketplace, does not and cannot legally share (based on CCPA, GDPR and other clearly stipulated regulations). So, how exactly would you have access to the location of the IP address you claim to have? It appears you may have violated privacy policies to support your action.
- Second question and perhaps just as relevant - what in the post appears promotional? According to wiki guidelines promotional tone is when an article includes advocacy, puffery, propaganda, recruitment of any kind, or uses run-on sentences to brag about a product, or lists awards that are not well known. What parts of this article do you feel is promotional?
2600:1017:A40A:8AD2:915D:8FAB:96C6:A3F7 (
talk) 16:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- See §ProjectArt, §Artist, among others. The whole thing is very puffy.
"In 2011, Alphons founded ProjectArt, a nonprofit organization that provides exposure to creative exploration to children in high-need areas across the US. Its cost-effective model circumvents traditional operational expenses by partnering with public libraries and utilizing empty spaces in libraries to host classes"-
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page!
Talk 16:33, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to edit it however you want; isn't that how wiki works? Feel free to take out any puff you feel unnecessary.
2600:1017:A40A:8AD2:915D:8FAB:96C6:A3F7 (
talk) 16:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- And I very well might. That doesn't erase the likely COI editing that has occurred on the page, however.
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page!
Talk 16:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless, you should totally edit it. That's the spirit of wiki. 2600:1017:A40A:8AD2:915D:8FAB:96C6:A3F7 ( talk) 16:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- And I very well might. That doesn't erase the likely COI editing that has occurred on the page, however.
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page!
Talk 16:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to edit it however you want; isn't that how wiki works? Feel free to take out any puff you feel unnecessary.
2600:1017:A40A:8AD2:915D:8FAB:96C6:A3F7 (
talk) 16:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- The IP address I am referring to was the one used on Wikipedia and is visible in the history. The Upwork account uses the contractor's real name. If I was to connect the two here I would be connecting an IP address on Wikipedia with a real name off Wikipedia, and that would be a violation of the privacy policy. -
Bilby (
talk) 22:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ JayCubby@ Bilby just making sure you didn't forget to edit the page. Edit it however you feel fits within Wiki philosophy or feel free to unpublish the whole page. 2600:1017:A400:6462:B0BC:B27A:F6AC:840F ( talk) 20:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's not a lot I can provide, as doing so would connect an IP address with a real name. I can send this along to en-paid, though, as they handle confidential information, and they coulld verify the job. If it helps, the job was specifically to add content to an existing article, was created by someone in Brooklyn, and the same account had previously hired people to work on projectart.org's website. -
Bilby (
talk) 00:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- hi @
Bilby- can you share more info about who was hired and how? Any way I can verify this?
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 18:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- I just shared this on Bilby's page - Thanks for opening this discussion. Unless there's a provable conflict, it would not be fair to go about marking random wiki pages with these conflict templates. The person marking templates as such should also address the larger question - are the contributions made up/ fabricated or are the contents independently verifiable? I would assert that all content mentioned can be corroborated via a legitimate publications. Please feel free to search on any search engine you prefer
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 14:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I will ping @
Bilby, who added the tag in the first place. I have no way of knowing as well. Cheers!
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg!
Talk 14:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi Adarshalphons9! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at
Adarsh Alphons that may not have been. "
Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as
typo corrections or reverting obvious
vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you.
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg!
Talk 14:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Adarshalphons9. We
welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things
you have written about on the page
Adarsh Alphons, you may have a
conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the
conflict of interest guideline and
FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:
- avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
- propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{ edit COI}} template);
- disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI);
- avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming);
- do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg! Talk 14:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @
JayCubby, thanks for the quick response. Thanks for the tip that this is not a minor edit, however, there seems to be some confusion here - there isn't any conflict of interest. I am not paid to write/ edit on Wiki or pay others to do the same. I am not sure how I can prove this, but happy to provide anything to support my case that there isn't a conflict. My page has been on wiki for a while and it's nothing people don't already know (mostly about my charitable work). However, the undue qualifer that this page was paid work is strange, confusing and patently false. I hope you can remove that tag, as I tried to do it and you reverted it.
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 14:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I will ping @
Bilby, who added the tag in the first place. I have no way of knowing as well. Cheers!
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg!
Talk 14:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I just shared this on Bilby's page - Thanks for opening this discussion. Unless there's a provable conflict, it would not be fair to go about marking random wiki pages with these conflict templates. The person marking templates as such should also address the larger question - are the contributions made up/ fabricated or are the contents independently verifiable? I would assert that all content mentioned can be corroborated via a legitimate publications. Please feel free to search on any search engine you prefer
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 14:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- (same comment as on @ Bilby's talk page):
- I will not comment on article content, however another user seems to have been in contact with you way back in 2018. That implies at the very least an instance of COI editing, regardless of factual accuracy.
- 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg! Talk 14:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. I just checked my records, and the reason for the tag was because an editor was hired via Upwork to edit Wikipedia to add content about ProjectArt in February. After the editor was hired, an IP made edits that added content about ProjectArt to the Adarsh Alphons article
here, and the person hired (a banned paid editor) was subsequently paid on Upwork shortly after the edits were made. -
Bilby (
talk) 03:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- hi @
Bilby- can you share more info about who was hired and how? Any way I can verify this?
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 18:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- There's not a lot I can provide, as doing so would connect an IP address with a real name. I can send this along to en-paid, though, as they handle confidential information, and they coulld verify the job. If it helps, the job was specifically to add content to an existing article, was created by someone in Brooklyn, and the same account had previously hired people to work on projectart.org's website. -
Bilby (
talk) 00:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Very interesting - one comment and two questions. Based on what you are saying, it appears as if you have access to Upwork's user's IP addresses, which Upwork, a publicy-traded marketplace, does not and cannot legally share (based on CCPA, GDPR and other clearly stipulated regulations). So, how exactly would you have access to the location of the IP address you claim to have? It appears you may have violated privacy policies to support your action.
- Second question and perhaps just as relevant - what in the post appears promotional? According to wiki guidelines promotional tone is when an article includes advocacy, puffery, propaganda, recruitment of any kind, or uses run-on sentences to brag about a product, or lists awards that are not well known. What parts of this article do you feel is promotional?
2600:1017:A40A:8AD2:915D:8FAB:96C6:A3F7 (
talk) 16:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- See §ProjectArt, §Artist, among others. The whole thing is very puffy.
"In 2011, Alphons founded ProjectArt, a nonprofit organization that provides exposure to creative exploration to children in high-need areas across the US. Its cost-effective model circumvents traditional operational expenses by partnering with public libraries and utilizing empty spaces in libraries to host classes"-
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page!
Talk 16:33, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to edit it however you want; isn't that how wiki works? Feel free to take out any puff you feel unnecessary.
2600:1017:A40A:8AD2:915D:8FAB:96C6:A3F7 (
talk) 16:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- And I very well might. That doesn't erase the likely COI editing that has occurred on the page, however.
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page!
Talk 16:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless, you should totally edit it. That's the spirit of wiki. 2600:1017:A40A:8AD2:915D:8FAB:96C6:A3F7 ( talk) 16:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- And I very well might. That doesn't erase the likely COI editing that has occurred on the page, however.
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page!
Talk 16:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to edit it however you want; isn't that how wiki works? Feel free to take out any puff you feel unnecessary.
2600:1017:A40A:8AD2:915D:8FAB:96C6:A3F7 (
talk) 16:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- The IP address I am referring to was the one used on Wikipedia and is visible in the history. The Upwork account uses the contractor's real name. If I was to connect the two here I would be connecting an IP address on Wikipedia with a real name off Wikipedia, and that would be a violation of the privacy policy. -
Bilby (
talk) 22:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ JayCubby@ Bilby just making sure you didn't forget to edit the page. Edit it however you feel fits within Wiki philosophy or feel free to unpublish the whole page. 2600:1017:A400:6462:B0BC:B27A:F6AC:840F ( talk) 20:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's not a lot I can provide, as doing so would connect an IP address with a real name. I can send this along to en-paid, though, as they handle confidential information, and they coulld verify the job. If it helps, the job was specifically to add content to an existing article, was created by someone in Brooklyn, and the same account had previously hired people to work on projectart.org's website. -
Bilby (
talk) 00:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- hi @
Bilby- can you share more info about who was hired and how? Any way I can verify this?
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 18:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- I just shared this on Bilby's page - Thanks for opening this discussion. Unless there's a provable conflict, it would not be fair to go about marking random wiki pages with these conflict templates. The person marking templates as such should also address the larger question - are the contributions made up/ fabricated or are the contents independently verifiable? I would assert that all content mentioned can be corroborated via a legitimate publications. Please feel free to search on any search engine you prefer
Adarshalphons9 (
talk) 14:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I will ping @
Bilby, who added the tag in the first place. I have no way of knowing as well. Cheers!
🇺🇲JayCubby✡ plz edit my user pg!
Talk 14:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)