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03:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Hallo, I thought that I'd contact you here because, otherwise, the discussion will turn into a full-on debate and take over the page! I'm trying to think of any countries which contain countries that are also part of the same country and I cannot. I'm not saying that there aren't any, just that I can't think of any. If you can help me, I may be forced to concede. With just about all of the countries that I can think of, I can "name" the inhabitants, for example; Chinese people come from China, Senegalese, from Senegal, Finnish from Finland, Russian from Russia, Egyptian from Egypt. What do you call someone from the U.K.? I didn't mean that because the U.K. was a kingdom, that prevented it from being a country but that it was a collection, for want of a better word, OF countries, both declared and recognised and therefore, how could it be a country? ( Zippstar ( talk) 19:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC))
You have raised some good points. Indeed, people from the Netherlands/ Low Countries/ Holland, we call Dutch. Is Britain not the island comprising England, Scotland and Wales? Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain or the British Isles, so why would its inhabitants be called British? The U.S.A are, of course, the United States of America and the inhabitants are known, simply, as Americans. Difficulty? I think that, probably, for the first time, I'm questioning my notion of what a country is. (I hope that I'm not the only one.) I've never known the U.K. as a country but a nation of countries, likewise the Soviet Union (C.C.C.P.), as my father lived there, specifically Russia. What did we call those people? I'm always questioning and my family come from a land that had its own rules before borders were drawn by foreigners, so maybe I'm used to seeing things differently. Thank you for your input. Feel free to write to me any time. ( Zippstar ( talk) 21:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC))
You don't call all people from the Netherlands Dutch, people from Eindhoven and elsewhere would be insulted. -- Snowded ( talk) 23:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
You need to read up on some history, and you also need to look at the sheer volume of debate on this to appreciate why raising something without knowledge of history will not be welcome. The UK has a complex history, but it is a country. I may be Welsh but I am also British. Northern Ireland - people will call themselves British or Irish (or possibly Ulster men/women according to their politics). It is in the list of countries on Wikipedia and that has been well debated. Look everyone likes a debate, but no one wants this debate. The energy on the country status of Wales and Scotland, the issues on Irish Identity. This is a minefield. Please don't -- Snowded ( talk) 23:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Its never wrong to raise something, but you do need to be aware of the context. I think most people responded to you (including me) with some facts and a plea not to raise a subject which has been resolved and which took far too much energy. I don't think you were met with hostility by the way. -- Snowded ( talk) 05:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
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Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond
03:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Hallo, I thought that I'd contact you here because, otherwise, the discussion will turn into a full-on debate and take over the page! I'm trying to think of any countries which contain countries that are also part of the same country and I cannot. I'm not saying that there aren't any, just that I can't think of any. If you can help me, I may be forced to concede. With just about all of the countries that I can think of, I can "name" the inhabitants, for example; Chinese people come from China, Senegalese, from Senegal, Finnish from Finland, Russian from Russia, Egyptian from Egypt. What do you call someone from the U.K.? I didn't mean that because the U.K. was a kingdom, that prevented it from being a country but that it was a collection, for want of a better word, OF countries, both declared and recognised and therefore, how could it be a country? ( Zippstar ( talk) 19:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC))
You have raised some good points. Indeed, people from the Netherlands/ Low Countries/ Holland, we call Dutch. Is Britain not the island comprising England, Scotland and Wales? Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain or the British Isles, so why would its inhabitants be called British? The U.S.A are, of course, the United States of America and the inhabitants are known, simply, as Americans. Difficulty? I think that, probably, for the first time, I'm questioning my notion of what a country is. (I hope that I'm not the only one.) I've never known the U.K. as a country but a nation of countries, likewise the Soviet Union (C.C.C.P.), as my father lived there, specifically Russia. What did we call those people? I'm always questioning and my family come from a land that had its own rules before borders were drawn by foreigners, so maybe I'm used to seeing things differently. Thank you for your input. Feel free to write to me any time. ( Zippstar ( talk) 21:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC))
You don't call all people from the Netherlands Dutch, people from Eindhoven and elsewhere would be insulted. -- Snowded ( talk) 23:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
You need to read up on some history, and you also need to look at the sheer volume of debate on this to appreciate why raising something without knowledge of history will not be welcome. The UK has a complex history, but it is a country. I may be Welsh but I am also British. Northern Ireland - people will call themselves British or Irish (or possibly Ulster men/women according to their politics). It is in the list of countries on Wikipedia and that has been well debated. Look everyone likes a debate, but no one wants this debate. The energy on the country status of Wales and Scotland, the issues on Irish Identity. This is a minefield. Please don't -- Snowded ( talk) 23:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Its never wrong to raise something, but you do need to be aware of the context. I think most people responded to you (including me) with some facts and a plea not to raise a subject which has been resolved and which took far too much energy. I don't think you were met with hostility by the way. -- Snowded ( talk) 05:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)