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Congratulations on your new Barnstar!!! Ardeshire Babakan ( talk) 17:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Are you still active? If so, how about working on Tom and getting him to FA? I'll be happy to help. Brianboulton ( talk) 11:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with the Che Guevara article! I see you found a reference for the nickname, to replace the French-language reference I had put in. Good! ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 01:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
It sure is a beautiful image. Can't we find out what species it is and move it to a better name? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Image:Blackdown PJM1.JPG is now available on Wikimedia Commons as Commons:Image:Blackdown Tableland National Park View 1.jpg. This is a repository of free media that can be used on all Wikimedia wikis. The image will be deleted from Wikipedia, but this doesn't mean it can't be used anymore. You can embed an image uploaded to Commons like you would an image uploaded to Wikipedia, in this case: [[Image:Blackdown Tableland National Park View 1.jpg]]. Note that this is an automated message to inform you about the move. This bot did not copy the image itself. -- Erwin85Bot ( talk) 17:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I've added some botanical details to the description of the image you uploaded Pancakebay01JM.jpg; please take a look to make sure I haven't made an error. I've been working on the Ammophila breviligulata article, and the grass in your photo seems to be that type. In the Pancake Bay Provincial Park article, the grass is identified as "dune grass". I think that's an error, but I thought I'd wait a bit to hear from you. Easchiff( talk) 11:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
The article begins in Brit format (20 July 1877) but soon adopts American. Needs to be consistent throughout - your decision. Also, date linking is now generally discouraged. Shall I delink them? (Can you reply on my talkpage where I'll see it sooner - thanks) Brianboulton ( talk) 18:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Please look at the revised paragraph I have inserted into the Terra Nova section of the Crean article. Mess about with it if you want. I have added the two new sources to the References, and deleted South with Scott. Leave any comments on the article's talk page, which I visit regularly, or on my own talkpage if you want to reach me quickly. Brianboulton ( talk) 22:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
"Mountainous gales" is a very odd phrase - how can a gale be "mountainous"? In Frank Worsley's account Shackleton's Boat Journey there is a passage which reads: "At daybreak on May 9 we were wallowing in a terribly heavy cross sea, with a mountainous westerly swell setting us in on the coast before the furious westerly gale then raging". This may be Alexander's mountainous gale. Page ref is 142, pub. details are Random House, London 1999 ISBN 0-7126-6574-9. I'll contact you later about a few other prose issues on the Crean article. I shall be away for a week or so from 11 October, with only intermittent broadband contact. Brianboulton ( talk) 09:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I have been dealing with the more routine issues in the peer review, but it would be good if you could visit. There are some things that need your attention. I have also asked an images reviewer for an audit of the images, since one or two may be dodgy by FA image standards. Brianboulton ( talk) 21:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I have had no responses from User:Elcobbola who is normally swift to reply to requests concerning images. I think he is temporarily away from Wikipedia. There seems to be a real dearth of image reviewers at FAC at the moment, which is holding up the promotion of some articles. So let me say what I think the image problems on the Crean article are, which may lead to FAC difficulties:-
What to do: I would be inclined to risk the HMS Howe image at FAC, but be prepared to lose it. I would regretfully withdraw Crean and Bones before FAC. I would be prepared to fight tooth and nail for the Crean mugshot, and I'd risk the statue, but be prepared to lose that, too. What I will do right now is have a scout round for alternatives that could be used if necessary, and I'll report back soon. Brianboulton ( talk) 16:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
"Hello, I am a fan of Antarctic exploration history and have read several books on Tom Crean's expeditions and life. I am a contributor to Wikipedia, which is a very large online encyclopedia project (2.6 million entries). I am currently working on the Tom Crean article, and attempting to get it to "Featured Article" status. This means it will be one of the best articles on Wikipedia, and will get featured on the main page. You might be interested to read the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Crean_(explorer)
The reason I am writing is that Tom Crean related images which are not copyrighted are hard to come by. Images greatly enhance the Wikipedia articles. I wondered if you had access to any images, such as the Tom Crean birthplace photo on your web site, the South Pole Inn, etc, that could be used in the Wikipedia article? Wikipedia prefers "free" images (released by the author to public domain), or, use of "free documentation licenses" such as GNU (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License ). If you can help, I can explain this license in more detail.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!" Zatoichi26 ( talk) 02:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Good news first. I have uploaded 2 Crean images: Image:pic1ski.jpg and Image:pic2ponys.jpg. Both of these are unimpeachably PD. The second scanned a little crookedly, but is still clear.
The bad news is that I have now established that the "mugshot" of Crean is copyright to the Royal Geographical Society. It may not be subject to Australian copyright law, but it is not PD in the USA. If the article goes to FAC with this image, it will not be possible to defend it, since we have no details of a publication before 1923. So, as an experiment, I have replaced it in the article with the "Crean with skis" image. It doesn't look too bad - what do you think?
I have used the Crean & Evans pony picture to replace Crean and Bones which, as I have said before, ia almost certainly not PD. In fact, its copyright appears to belong to SPRI. At the same time I have regretfully deleted the HMS Howe image, for want of publication details.
With these adjustments, only the lead image and the statue image are now questionable, the first because I haven't established for certain that it is not still under copyright, the second because of the 3D image rules. I don't know whether you have heard from the Tom Crean Society yet; if you don't want to wait further, my view is that the article could go to FAC with the images as they now are, with a preparedness to make further adjustments if the images I have mentioned become issues. After many FAC battles I have come to accept that in the end it is best to yield to the image specialists, rather than to fight lost causes.
Finally, when you feel ready to go to FAC, I think the article's chances will be strengthened if we make it a joint nomination, you as the first nominator and me as co-nom. My heavy involvement with the article precludes me from registering a support at FAC, and likewise, favourable comments made by me would be discounted. As a co-nom I can bring some beef to the nomination and can fully engage in the responses to points raised. If you are happy to do this, there is a procedure to be followed when making the nom, to ensure the co-nom is recognised, and I'll do this, if you like. So, let me know when you want to go forward, and how you would like to proceed. Brianboulton ( talk) 15:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
This seems to have fixed itself, as we are both listed as noms. I suggest that, as a matter of procedure when dealing with reviewers' points, either of us fix the straightforward issues (punctuation, minor prose etc), but that if anything more substantial arises we first discuss it here, or on my talk page. The last thing we want is to be in open disagreement on the FAC page. Fingers crossed for a smooth ride. Brianboulton ( talk) 08:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Things are going very well so far. I am dealing with small routine fixes as they arise, but there are a few things that need your attention - see FAC page.
If due to pressures of work, time etc you find you cannot deal with all of these, I don't mind stepping in, but it will be good for you to make an appearances on the FAC page.
Brianboulton ( talk) 12:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Score to date: 4 supports, no opposes. That's good, this early in the review, but be ready for twists and turns. Later tonight (it's evening here in GB) I will go through the review, then leave a summary of anything that needs our attention on the article talk page. Brianboulton ( talk) 19:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Look at article talkpage (or FAC) to check on points needing your attention. Brianboulton ( talk) 00:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Tom Crean (explorer) is now a featured article. Congratulations indeed. Although I have worked with you in the later stages, you started this article and brought it to GA. So the heavy duty work was done by you, and you should have the main credit. You may feel you need a break, but when you return there is loads of Antarctic work to be done - maybe you should go solo next time? An article that definitely needs, and deserves, a lot of attention is Apsley Cherry-Garrard, which you did some editing on a year or so ago. Perhaps you'll be up for it? And Frank Wild, now there's a interesting character... Brianboulton ( talk) 22:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
(PS: And you saved your puppies, too!)
Congratulations on your first FA. From now on, it'll be a steady climb. :-) – Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 15:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
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Congratulations on your new Barnstar!!! Ardeshire Babakan ( talk) 17:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Are you still active? If so, how about working on Tom and getting him to FA? I'll be happy to help. Brianboulton ( talk) 11:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with the Che Guevara article! I see you found a reference for the nickname, to replace the French-language reference I had put in. Good! ☺ Coppertwig ( talk) 01:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
It sure is a beautiful image. Can't we find out what species it is and move it to a better name? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Image:Blackdown PJM1.JPG is now available on Wikimedia Commons as Commons:Image:Blackdown Tableland National Park View 1.jpg. This is a repository of free media that can be used on all Wikimedia wikis. The image will be deleted from Wikipedia, but this doesn't mean it can't be used anymore. You can embed an image uploaded to Commons like you would an image uploaded to Wikipedia, in this case: [[Image:Blackdown Tableland National Park View 1.jpg]]. Note that this is an automated message to inform you about the move. This bot did not copy the image itself. -- Erwin85Bot ( talk) 17:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I've added some botanical details to the description of the image you uploaded Pancakebay01JM.jpg; please take a look to make sure I haven't made an error. I've been working on the Ammophila breviligulata article, and the grass in your photo seems to be that type. In the Pancake Bay Provincial Park article, the grass is identified as "dune grass". I think that's an error, but I thought I'd wait a bit to hear from you. Easchiff( talk) 11:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
The article begins in Brit format (20 July 1877) but soon adopts American. Needs to be consistent throughout - your decision. Also, date linking is now generally discouraged. Shall I delink them? (Can you reply on my talkpage where I'll see it sooner - thanks) Brianboulton ( talk) 18:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Please look at the revised paragraph I have inserted into the Terra Nova section of the Crean article. Mess about with it if you want. I have added the two new sources to the References, and deleted South with Scott. Leave any comments on the article's talk page, which I visit regularly, or on my own talkpage if you want to reach me quickly. Brianboulton ( talk) 22:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
"Mountainous gales" is a very odd phrase - how can a gale be "mountainous"? In Frank Worsley's account Shackleton's Boat Journey there is a passage which reads: "At daybreak on May 9 we were wallowing in a terribly heavy cross sea, with a mountainous westerly swell setting us in on the coast before the furious westerly gale then raging". This may be Alexander's mountainous gale. Page ref is 142, pub. details are Random House, London 1999 ISBN 0-7126-6574-9. I'll contact you later about a few other prose issues on the Crean article. I shall be away for a week or so from 11 October, with only intermittent broadband contact. Brianboulton ( talk) 09:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I have been dealing with the more routine issues in the peer review, but it would be good if you could visit. There are some things that need your attention. I have also asked an images reviewer for an audit of the images, since one or two may be dodgy by FA image standards. Brianboulton ( talk) 21:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I have had no responses from User:Elcobbola who is normally swift to reply to requests concerning images. I think he is temporarily away from Wikipedia. There seems to be a real dearth of image reviewers at FAC at the moment, which is holding up the promotion of some articles. So let me say what I think the image problems on the Crean article are, which may lead to FAC difficulties:-
What to do: I would be inclined to risk the HMS Howe image at FAC, but be prepared to lose it. I would regretfully withdraw Crean and Bones before FAC. I would be prepared to fight tooth and nail for the Crean mugshot, and I'd risk the statue, but be prepared to lose that, too. What I will do right now is have a scout round for alternatives that could be used if necessary, and I'll report back soon. Brianboulton ( talk) 16:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
"Hello, I am a fan of Antarctic exploration history and have read several books on Tom Crean's expeditions and life. I am a contributor to Wikipedia, which is a very large online encyclopedia project (2.6 million entries). I am currently working on the Tom Crean article, and attempting to get it to "Featured Article" status. This means it will be one of the best articles on Wikipedia, and will get featured on the main page. You might be interested to read the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Crean_(explorer)
The reason I am writing is that Tom Crean related images which are not copyrighted are hard to come by. Images greatly enhance the Wikipedia articles. I wondered if you had access to any images, such as the Tom Crean birthplace photo on your web site, the South Pole Inn, etc, that could be used in the Wikipedia article? Wikipedia prefers "free" images (released by the author to public domain), or, use of "free documentation licenses" such as GNU (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License ). If you can help, I can explain this license in more detail.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!" Zatoichi26 ( talk) 02:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Good news first. I have uploaded 2 Crean images: Image:pic1ski.jpg and Image:pic2ponys.jpg. Both of these are unimpeachably PD. The second scanned a little crookedly, but is still clear.
The bad news is that I have now established that the "mugshot" of Crean is copyright to the Royal Geographical Society. It may not be subject to Australian copyright law, but it is not PD in the USA. If the article goes to FAC with this image, it will not be possible to defend it, since we have no details of a publication before 1923. So, as an experiment, I have replaced it in the article with the "Crean with skis" image. It doesn't look too bad - what do you think?
I have used the Crean & Evans pony picture to replace Crean and Bones which, as I have said before, ia almost certainly not PD. In fact, its copyright appears to belong to SPRI. At the same time I have regretfully deleted the HMS Howe image, for want of publication details.
With these adjustments, only the lead image and the statue image are now questionable, the first because I haven't established for certain that it is not still under copyright, the second because of the 3D image rules. I don't know whether you have heard from the Tom Crean Society yet; if you don't want to wait further, my view is that the article could go to FAC with the images as they now are, with a preparedness to make further adjustments if the images I have mentioned become issues. After many FAC battles I have come to accept that in the end it is best to yield to the image specialists, rather than to fight lost causes.
Finally, when you feel ready to go to FAC, I think the article's chances will be strengthened if we make it a joint nomination, you as the first nominator and me as co-nom. My heavy involvement with the article precludes me from registering a support at FAC, and likewise, favourable comments made by me would be discounted. As a co-nom I can bring some beef to the nomination and can fully engage in the responses to points raised. If you are happy to do this, there is a procedure to be followed when making the nom, to ensure the co-nom is recognised, and I'll do this, if you like. So, let me know when you want to go forward, and how you would like to proceed. Brianboulton ( talk) 15:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
This seems to have fixed itself, as we are both listed as noms. I suggest that, as a matter of procedure when dealing with reviewers' points, either of us fix the straightforward issues (punctuation, minor prose etc), but that if anything more substantial arises we first discuss it here, or on my talk page. The last thing we want is to be in open disagreement on the FAC page. Fingers crossed for a smooth ride. Brianboulton ( talk) 08:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Things are going very well so far. I am dealing with small routine fixes as they arise, but there are a few things that need your attention - see FAC page.
If due to pressures of work, time etc you find you cannot deal with all of these, I don't mind stepping in, but it will be good for you to make an appearances on the FAC page.
Brianboulton ( talk) 12:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Score to date: 4 supports, no opposes. That's good, this early in the review, but be ready for twists and turns. Later tonight (it's evening here in GB) I will go through the review, then leave a summary of anything that needs our attention on the article talk page. Brianboulton ( talk) 19:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Look at article talkpage (or FAC) to check on points needing your attention. Brianboulton ( talk) 00:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Tom Crean (explorer) is now a featured article. Congratulations indeed. Although I have worked with you in the later stages, you started this article and brought it to GA. So the heavy duty work was done by you, and you should have the main credit. You may feel you need a break, but when you return there is loads of Antarctic work to be done - maybe you should go solo next time? An article that definitely needs, and deserves, a lot of attention is Apsley Cherry-Garrard, which you did some editing on a year or so ago. Perhaps you'll be up for it? And Frank Wild, now there's a interesting character... Brianboulton ( talk) 22:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
(PS: And you saved your puppies, too!)
Congratulations on your first FA. From now on, it'll be a steady climb. :-) – Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 15:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
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