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For consistency in the "Jack Baker (activist)" article, I would like to make these changes to the introduction:
Can this be done?
Reason: At a very young age, he informed his mother that he did not like the name James and would never use it. He goes by the name Michael McConnell and uses his first name ONLY for government documents. Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 19:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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I would like to add a photo from the archives of the Minnesota Historical Society to this article. Their policy is Free Use, with credit. Is there someone who can work with me on making it happen? Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 13:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Uploading images is not clear. What tag describes a non-free, historic photo requiring attribution to the Minnesota Historical Society? Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 15:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
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The Supreme Court, when asked to look at Baker v. Nelson, said no. They declined to consider it. They refused to hear it. Writing casually, we might say they refused to decide it. But actually they didn't even get that far. They said no at an earlier stage.
Next week, for example, the Court will hear/consider two same-sex marriage cases. In a few weeks, we'll find out if they want to decide them or not. They may say they have no jurisdiction or someone involved in the case lacks standing, or just bounce the case back to an Appeals court for further consideration. Those would be examples of the Supreme Court saying it didn't want to decide a case.
That Jack Baker (activist) still needs lots of work. Hope you'll help me delete the blather and add some better citations over time. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 16:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
You are mixing apples and oranges. In 1970, the law required the U.S. Supreme Court to accept an appeal from a state court that interpreted a federal statute. The U.S. Supreme Court accepted Baker v. Nelson. It reviewed the case, then entered its decision: "The appeal is dismissed for want of a substantial federal question." That is why courts say it is a binding opinion.
Your opinion that the court was "asked to look" at Baker v. Nelson, then "said no" is WRONG. [1] They accepted the case, then dismissed it. In plain English and legal accuracy, they refused to decide it.
I will not help you re-writing history. Please put my correction back. Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 17:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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How do I link directly to the heading "Adoption, name change, marriage" in the article Jack Baker (activist)?
The ASCII Table lists "2C" as the Hex equivalent of a comma, but the following link does not work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Baker_%28activist%29#Adoption%2C_name_change%2C_marriage
What am I doing wrong?
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A file that you uploaded or altered, File:McConnell (l) and Baker (r) apply for marriage license 19700518.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Stefan2 ( talk) 20:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you for the update on the Michael McConnell and Jack Baker article. Is the court opinion cited available online? Is there a news article about it? I've been interested in the story since I heard them speak, bought the book, and took the photos used in the article. Jonathunder ( talk) 21:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Q: Is the court opinion cited available online? A: No, perhaps in the future. See [2] "MPA Remote Minnesota Public Access (MPA) Remote offers access to case information via the internet for certain court records in the Minnesota Court Information System (MNCIS). The information is limited as described in the MN Rules of Public Access to Records of the Judicial Branch. Court documents cannot be viewed in MPA Remote at this time."
Q: Is there a news article about it? A: No. Perhaps because the owner of the StarTribune lives in Mankato, MN. Also, the county must pay attorney fees for both sides.
A: I can forward a PDF copy of the court's ORDER. Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 13:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
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Note to @ Paul2520:: you are WRONG
The Minnesota Supreme Court identified its decision as an OPINION because it was interpreting the U.S. Constitution. The court was not "ruling" on the state's constitution; ergo, the OPINION served as guidance to elected Clerks of the various District Courts to ignore such requests because, in its OPINION, denial of the statutory entitlement demanded by gay citizens to marry the adult of one's choice "does not offend the . . . United States Constitution".
At the time, a state's interpretation of federal law allowed a direct appeal to the high court. See Baker v. Nelson.
Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 16:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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1. The court used all caps. Ergo, it's important to emphasize that it is the Court's OPINION, not mine.
2. See Timeline_of_same-sex_marriage#1971 for the PDF that is available from the University of Minnesota Libraries.
Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 17:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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1. NO. I'm referring to https://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1971/43009-1.html.
2. For accuracy, the court should be allowed to speak for itself. Calling its "OPINION" a ruling does a disservice not only to the court but also to the public.
3. Perhaps clarify with a footnote? [OPINION is how the court titled its decision.]
Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 21:20, 9 July 2020 (UTC). Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 16:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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I need help to appeal this denial of my request to Undelete a photograph whose copyright protection expired on December 31, 2002 per 17 U.S.C. § 303(a).
Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 16:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC). Add clarity to the request Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 20:35, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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2. The deleted link is more relevant that the interview conducted 20 years after the events of someone who admits that she did not attend the events and was not even in Minnesota at the time of the events.
Undid revision 1027934796 by Y6f&tP4z (talk) not an WP:RS, indicating YouTube as being an unreliable, user-generated source – see WP:RSPYT for the explanation of this and relevant discussion. You may want to discuss this with the user themself, though, simply add
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As stated above, I disagree with your action to delete the link I posted. Before I invoke the dispute resolution processes, it would be helpful to understand why you insist that my reasons - (1) and (2) - do not justify re-posting of the link. -- Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 15:15, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
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How do I reach "File:Gay_Pride_march_by_Jim_Chalgren,_June_1973.jpg" to add context to unanswered questions? Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 22:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please help me with... How do I link to only one of the many videos that are posted on YouTube? Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 13:41, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
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For consistency in the "Jack Baker (activist)" article, I would like to make these changes to the introduction:
Can this be done?
Reason: At a very young age, he informed his mother that he did not like the name James and would never use it. He goes by the name Michael McConnell and uses his first name ONLY for government documents. Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 19:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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I would like to add a photo from the archives of the Minnesota Historical Society to this article. Their policy is Free Use, with credit. Is there someone who can work with me on making it happen? Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 13:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Uploading images is not clear. What tag describes a non-free, historic photo requiring attribution to the Minnesota Historical Society? Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 15:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
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The Supreme Court, when asked to look at Baker v. Nelson, said no. They declined to consider it. They refused to hear it. Writing casually, we might say they refused to decide it. But actually they didn't even get that far. They said no at an earlier stage.
Next week, for example, the Court will hear/consider two same-sex marriage cases. In a few weeks, we'll find out if they want to decide them or not. They may say they have no jurisdiction or someone involved in the case lacks standing, or just bounce the case back to an Appeals court for further consideration. Those would be examples of the Supreme Court saying it didn't want to decide a case.
That Jack Baker (activist) still needs lots of work. Hope you'll help me delete the blather and add some better citations over time. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 16:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
You are mixing apples and oranges. In 1970, the law required the U.S. Supreme Court to accept an appeal from a state court that interpreted a federal statute. The U.S. Supreme Court accepted Baker v. Nelson. It reviewed the case, then entered its decision: "The appeal is dismissed for want of a substantial federal question." That is why courts say it is a binding opinion.
Your opinion that the court was "asked to look" at Baker v. Nelson, then "said no" is WRONG. [1] They accepted the case, then dismissed it. In plain English and legal accuracy, they refused to decide it.
I will not help you re-writing history. Please put my correction back. Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 17:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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How do I link directly to the heading "Adoption, name change, marriage" in the article Jack Baker (activist)?
The ASCII Table lists "2C" as the Hex equivalent of a comma, but the following link does not work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Baker_%28activist%29#Adoption%2C_name_change%2C_marriage
What am I doing wrong?
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Thank you for the update on the Michael McConnell and Jack Baker article. Is the court opinion cited available online? Is there a news article about it? I've been interested in the story since I heard them speak, bought the book, and took the photos used in the article. Jonathunder ( talk) 21:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Q: Is the court opinion cited available online? A: No, perhaps in the future. See [2] "MPA Remote Minnesota Public Access (MPA) Remote offers access to case information via the internet for certain court records in the Minnesota Court Information System (MNCIS). The information is limited as described in the MN Rules of Public Access to Records of the Judicial Branch. Court documents cannot be viewed in MPA Remote at this time."
Q: Is there a news article about it? A: No. Perhaps because the owner of the StarTribune lives in Mankato, MN. Also, the county must pay attorney fees for both sides.
A: I can forward a PDF copy of the court's ORDER. Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 13:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
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Note to @ Paul2520:: you are WRONG
The Minnesota Supreme Court identified its decision as an OPINION because it was interpreting the U.S. Constitution. The court was not "ruling" on the state's constitution; ergo, the OPINION served as guidance to elected Clerks of the various District Courts to ignore such requests because, in its OPINION, denial of the statutory entitlement demanded by gay citizens to marry the adult of one's choice "does not offend the . . . United States Constitution".
At the time, a state's interpretation of federal law allowed a direct appeal to the high court. See Baker v. Nelson.
Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 16:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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1. The court used all caps. Ergo, it's important to emphasize that it is the Court's OPINION, not mine.
2. See Timeline_of_same-sex_marriage#1971 for the PDF that is available from the University of Minnesota Libraries.
Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 17:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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1. NO. I'm referring to https://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1971/43009-1.html.
2. For accuracy, the court should be allowed to speak for itself. Calling its "OPINION" a ruling does a disservice not only to the court but also to the public.
3. Perhaps clarify with a footnote? [OPINION is how the court titled its decision.]
Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 21:20, 9 July 2020 (UTC). Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 16:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I filed an Undeletion request to deliver a response to the original request for information.
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I need help to appeal this denial of my request to Undelete a photograph whose copyright protection expired on December 31, 2002 per 17 U.S.C. § 303(a).
Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 16:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC). Add clarity to the request Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 20:35, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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How to appeal action by Elizium23? For two reason deletion of this link is not justified.
1. From Elizium23's talk page (Friday, 11 June 2021) "I hereby disclose my affiliation with the following organizations
2. The deleted link is more relevant that the interview conducted 20 years after the events of someone who admits that she did not attend the events and was not even in Minnesota at the time of the events.
Undid revision 1027934796 by Y6f&tP4z (talk) not an WP:RS, indicating YouTube as being an unreliable, user-generated source – see WP:RSPYT for the explanation of this and relevant discussion. You may want to discuss this with the user themself, though, simply add
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As stated above, I disagree with your action to delete the link I posted. Before I invoke the dispute resolution processes, it would be helpful to understand why you insist that my reasons - (1) and (2) - do not justify re-posting of the link. -- Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 15:15, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Because Elizium23 appears to be unwilling to discuss the dispute, a third opinion is needed to decide if deletion was justified.
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Opinion: One particularly wise Third Opinion Wikipedian, RegentsPark, once succinctly put the purpose of Third Opinions like this, "It's sort of like if you're having an argument on the street in front of City Hall and turn to a passer-by to ask 'hey, is it true that the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale?'." The YouTube video in question was clearly not a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia (which is different from the dictionary definition of "reliable" source) and was justifiably deleted. |
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I understand the rationale. Thanks. -- Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 11:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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How do I reach "File:Gay_Pride_march_by_Jim_Chalgren,_June_1973.jpg" to add context to unanswered questions? Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 22:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please help me with... How do I link to only one of the many videos that are posted on YouTube? Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 13:41, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please help me with... → This fn is cited as source material to prove actions that occurred in Canada. The letter from Rich North to Jack Baker is blocked by Wikipedia.
→ Q #1: Is there a procedure for unblocking the link to that letter? Y6f&tP4z ( talk) 12:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
→ Q #2: To enable historical research, would it be permissible to attach a comment, e.g.?
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