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A bit of advice. You may want to back away from the topic you are discussing on the Star Trek Into Darkness talk page, the one about the title section. You are arguing strongly, which is good. But a growing cadre of editors are against the inclusion, which would make a consensus against the change. In the grand old scheme of things, it is a small trivial detail. I know I have recently said I oppose such a change, if you recall, I was pro it's inclusion at the beginning, I have just since realised that it's a trivial issue that has only been reported in few outlets and it hardly meet's the notability criteria. MisterShiney ✉ 00:06, 3 February 2013 (UTC) Another bit of advice. Don't arrogantly engage in complex discussions involving details of proper use of the English language when you write lines such as "PS: Remember, nomatter how historic this message becomes (/s) you can never write about it on wikipedia, because I posted it here first and not in a newspaper, as per rules 1, 7, 9 and eleventythousand." ...because "as per" is redundant. It's also very commonly known to be incorrect. I refer you to google.com for verification. -- Aquishix ( talk) 19:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC) And that last major addition of yours, clearly against consensus, crossed the line. If you continue to waste other editors' time on this subject, I will be requesting a block on the administrators' noticeboard. Switch topics for a while, edit some other articles (preferably not Trek-related), and maybe come back to the topic later. Much later. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Please, do yourself a favour and back off. We've offered you multiple get out clauses. From your talk page, I can see someone's already taking action against you. This is getting beyond helpful contribution. Step back and let due process have a chance; a compromise was met recently regarding your inclusions, and it's not believed by 4 editors (so far), that any extension is needed. drewmunn talk 14:47, 5 February 2013 (UTC) Please stop confusing the issue even more by adding in summaries [1] to earlier sections that do not relate to the ongoing discussion. There is an element of revisionism to these edits, as they respond to later events. We all need to back off a bit and wait for the dust to settle. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 09:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 11:11, 6 February 2013 (UTC) Can you ask them to tell you to leave me alone? Xkcdreader ( talk) 11:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC) ![]() {{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} , but you should read the
guide to appealing blocks first.
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Just to be clear, "anywhere else on Wikipedia" means "anywhere else on Wikipedia", including user pages. You have, at this point, two options: make edits completely unrelated to the Star Trek title, or make no edits. Let me know if you have any questions. 28bytes ( talk) 19:13, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
{outdent} You done yet (I keep getting edit conflicts)? First - Wikipedia is a project to create an encyclopaedia. It's not a webhost for you to keep your shits and giggles. Try Wordpress for that. Second, you might give some regard to the old joke about the preacher in the flood zone, who ignored the radio warning to evacuate, and sent away the sherrif in his pickup, the emergency services and their rubber boat, and the Navy helicopter, on the grounds that God would save him. When his drowned ass turned up at the pearly gates he complained that God hadn't saved him, to which St Peter replied "well, he sent you a weatherman on the radio, the sherrif, a fire crew with a rubber boat and even the damn Navy. What else did you want." Elen of the Roads ( talk) 20:34, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I do think there was a degree of ownership going on there. Some discussions can be interminable because it is impossible to get all the parties to agree (just try reading any of the archives of Talk:Monty Hall problem if you want an exercise in futility.) But the truth is that unless you can get them to give ground, or you establish that their view really is a minority of all the voices (which it wasn't, it was about an even split), then you won't get to make the changes you want to an article. That's just how it goes. And in this case everyone did agree on something - it just wasn't as much as you wanted to add. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 23:46, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Xkcdreader,
Your subpages contain very interesting stuff. However, you really need to demonstrate some little breadth of experience and ability to work before telling others how to build content. I suggested not touching Star Trek for a week or two. i think that really is a minimum. You are intense, and I don't want to see you burn. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 01:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi there,
I appreciate the sentiment offered on the first line of your user page, but I'm afraid Wikipedia doesn't work like that; not much operates by votes anyway, and even if they did, you writing blanket support for me on your user page wouldn't actually give me any extra power.
If you do want to do something helpful though, something that could improve your own reputation around here too, I would invite you to bring some of your passion and vigor over to a long discussion at Talk:Free will that has been dragging on forever and which I am running out of time to engage in due to outside constraints in my life. I am not -- note well, NOT -- asking you to come there and argue my points for me, and if you blatantly do that it will both make you look bad and also reflect badly on me, so out of whatever gratitude you may have, please don't do that.
I have, however, been trying to stir up outside opinions in the discussion with little luck so far, and if you'd like to try your hand at an unrelated topic, perhaps you could dedicate some of your apparently boundless energy and ability to argue and research, to trying to help mediate the dispute there as an outside party. The main other person there is also a good editor who has a lot of valuable material to bring to the article, I mostly object to the way he is bringing it and unfortunately am having to resort to reverts and mostly curt rejections now that I have less time to dedicate to it, and I regret not being able to give his contributions the thoughtful response and integration they deserve.
If you, being uninvolved in the matter, could help to find more productive ways of integrating his contributions to the article without running into the points I'm objecting to, that would help the both of us there, lead to a better article, fix your reputation here, and help you learn the ins-and-outs of the way of wiki in a much slower and less intense venue than all of this Star Trek related stuff.
What say you? -- Pfhorrest ( talk) 06:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia is concurrently a wonderful and seriously messed up place. Wonderful, 'cause it's likely the best general information source the world has ever known and messed up 'cause it's run by imperfect people. There are, in fact, at least two sets of rules -- the ones that are written and the unwritten ones. Briefly, one of the unwritten ones is if you argue too much about something you'll annoy the other editors and you've already seen what happens after that happens. I don't have an opinion on whether the ban from ST discussions is appropriate -- I don't have time or inclination to wade through the discussions -- but as a heuristic I've found 28bytes to be one of the more reasonable admins around here. I do think the stalking you to your user pages was a bit much and have let him know that, but please do not be encouraged by that and resume discussion with him.
One of the positives of Wikipedia is that, generally speaking, the "community" has the attention span of a gnat and if you decide to edit other areas and learn the unwritten Wikipedia ways -- which is best done by observation -- folks will eventually pretty much leave you alone to edit. But you gotta be willing to "lose" -- sometimes your edits will stick, and sometimes they won't.
Regarding your post to Elen's talk page: first of all, don't do that. Way too long and way too much content discussion on something she may not care about -- discussion about content is best on the corresponding article talk page. Secondly you seem to be implying you feel like you're being wikistalked? Is that true?
If you really want a do-over, there's an option to clean start, but we'd have to get 28bytes or the community to sign off it, which I suspect -- but can't actually promise, unfortunately -- we could make happen if you promise to never, ever edit ST stuff with the new account. What I'd recommend instead is simply editing elsewhere for a while -- six months is the standard number, and then ask the ST topic ban be lifted. NE Ent 18:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi. As you're one of those folks who contributed to the work title capitalization rules discussion over at WT:MoS but then seemed to tune out (and therefore – as opposed to the "MoS regulars" – probably didn't follow it any further), I just briefly wanted to point you towards my latest post there (beginning with "As there has been little progress"), which might well be the last overall: I'm phasing out, and since there hasn't been much input by other users lately, it's likely that over the next few days, the thread'll die (i.e., disappear into the archives) without there having been made any changes to the MoS. So I'd be much obliged if you took the time to stake your support for or opposition to my proposal (should I also have put an RfC tag there?) and – unless it's accepted (I'm not holding my breath...) – maybe even considered keeping the debate going. Thanks. (I'm aware of the unsolicited nature of this message, so if you feel molested by it, I apologize.) – ὁ οἶστρος ( talk) 14:28, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
I believe you’d be interested in a change to Wikipedia policy I’ve proposed at WT:AT#Proposal: WP:COMMONNAME should use common orthography. If you are, please share your opinion of it there. — Frungi ( talk) 20:11, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
(La Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore, situata sulla sommità del colle Esquilino, è una delle quattro Basiliche patriarcali di Roma ed è la sola che abbia conservato le strutture paleocristiane. Una nota tradizione vuole che sia stata la Vergine ad indicare ed ispirare la costruzione della sua dimora sull'Esquilino. Apparendo in sogno al patrizio Giovanni ed al papa Liberio, chiese la costruzione di una chiesa in suo onore, in un luogo che Essa avrebbe miracolosamente indicato. La mattina del 5 agosto, il colle Esquilino apparve ammantato di neve.)
and compare it to the same paragraph translated using google translate; you get:
The following is the translated version: The Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore, situated on the summit of the Esquiline Hill is one of the four patriarchal basilicas of Rome and is the only one which has preserved early Christian structures. A note tradition has it that the Virgin Mary herself and govern the construction of the Esquiline Hill. Appearing in a dream to the patrician John and Pope Liberius, she asked to build a church in his honor, in a place that she would miraculously indicated. On the morning of August 5, the Esquiline Hill was covered with snow.
The following is the English version as found on the page you cite: Situated on the summit of the Esquiline Hill, St. Mary Major is the only patriarchal basilica of the four in Rome to have retained its paleo-Christian structures.
Tradition has it that the Virgin Mary herself inspired the choice of the Esquiline Hill for the church's construction. Appearing in a dream to both the Patrician John and Pope Liberius, she asked that a church be built in her honor on a site she would miraculously indicate.
The morning of August 5th, the Esquiline Hill was covered with a blanket of snow.
Ultimately I get the sense, that the sentence order of the English and Italian versions are identical; one is a translation of the other. Ultimately, I think the Italian preceded the English. I get a sense that the English is a translated version, bcause the sentence starting with Appearing has an akward structure; it is somewhat run on and ends in a somewhat dangling phrase. My question, to which I do not have the answer is whether the translator in this exercise tried to translate Santa Maria Maggiore to make an effort to have all the words in English for the paragraph. He obviously did not translate the title. However, how did he come up then with Mary Major, since most of the translation engines I tried (Babelfish, Google, Bing) did not make that leap. I don't know. As I said before looking at literature sources, there are a few sources that use St Mary Major, but they are clearly a minority, and some of them have an anglophile disdain of Italian use, calling Livorno, Leghorn, etc. I still don't think it translates to common use. Again, I stand by the title of the website you cite: The Papal Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore. Rococo1700 ( talk) 02:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Xkcdreader, I see you made a series of changes to the section on homosexuality and same-sex marriage, but you ended up with "because temptation itself sinful," which I think is a typo of some sort on your part, since (at least to me) it's not good English, and I'm not sure it means what you are trying to say. I think "temptation in and of itself is not sinful" made sense. Because you made a number of changes I don't want to fool around with your work right now, but could you take another look at your "final product" in this section? NearTheZoo ( talk) 13:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Re your last comment on WT:AT: From my read, no one was attempting to silence you. I know you’ve had issues with Rob, but it seems to me he was just saying that you should probably avoid talking about a specific subject that could get you into trouble. No one was barring you from discussing the proposed change; just the one troublesome example. Blueboar even asked you to use different examples. Please do continue to contribute to that debate. We don’t quite see eye-to-eye on the matter (popular use vs publisher use), but differing viewpoints is a good thing. — Frungi ( talk) 20:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Xkcdreader. I moved your comment (along with Smowton's response) at WT:Manual of Style from the middle of my comment to the end to make it clearer who said what. -- ToE 10:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia, Xkcdreader! Thank you for
your contributions. I am
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Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Sudo Ghost 18:32, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
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Skamecrazy123 (
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A bit of advice. You may want to back away from the topic you are discussing on the Star Trek Into Darkness talk page, the one about the title section. You are arguing strongly, which is good. But a growing cadre of editors are against the inclusion, which would make a consensus against the change. In the grand old scheme of things, it is a small trivial detail. I know I have recently said I oppose such a change, if you recall, I was pro it's inclusion at the beginning, I have just since realised that it's a trivial issue that has only been reported in few outlets and it hardly meet's the notability criteria. MisterShiney ✉ 00:06, 3 February 2013 (UTC) Another bit of advice. Don't arrogantly engage in complex discussions involving details of proper use of the English language when you write lines such as "PS: Remember, nomatter how historic this message becomes (/s) you can never write about it on wikipedia, because I posted it here first and not in a newspaper, as per rules 1, 7, 9 and eleventythousand." ...because "as per" is redundant. It's also very commonly known to be incorrect. I refer you to google.com for verification. -- Aquishix ( talk) 19:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC) And that last major addition of yours, clearly against consensus, crossed the line. If you continue to waste other editors' time on this subject, I will be requesting a block on the administrators' noticeboard. Switch topics for a while, edit some other articles (preferably not Trek-related), and maybe come back to the topic later. Much later. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Please, do yourself a favour and back off. We've offered you multiple get out clauses. From your talk page, I can see someone's already taking action against you. This is getting beyond helpful contribution. Step back and let due process have a chance; a compromise was met recently regarding your inclusions, and it's not believed by 4 editors (so far), that any extension is needed. drewmunn talk 14:47, 5 February 2013 (UTC) Please stop confusing the issue even more by adding in summaries [1] to earlier sections that do not relate to the ongoing discussion. There is an element of revisionism to these edits, as they respond to later events. We all need to back off a bit and wait for the dust to settle. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 09:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Rob Sinden ( talk) 11:11, 6 February 2013 (UTC) Can you ask them to tell you to leave me alone? Xkcdreader ( talk) 11:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC) ![]() {{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} , but you should read the
guide to appealing blocks first.
SarekOfVulcan (talk)
13:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
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Just to be clear, "anywhere else on Wikipedia" means "anywhere else on Wikipedia", including user pages. You have, at this point, two options: make edits completely unrelated to the Star Trek title, or make no edits. Let me know if you have any questions. 28bytes ( talk) 19:13, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
{outdent} You done yet (I keep getting edit conflicts)? First - Wikipedia is a project to create an encyclopaedia. It's not a webhost for you to keep your shits and giggles. Try Wordpress for that. Second, you might give some regard to the old joke about the preacher in the flood zone, who ignored the radio warning to evacuate, and sent away the sherrif in his pickup, the emergency services and their rubber boat, and the Navy helicopter, on the grounds that God would save him. When his drowned ass turned up at the pearly gates he complained that God hadn't saved him, to which St Peter replied "well, he sent you a weatherman on the radio, the sherrif, a fire crew with a rubber boat and even the damn Navy. What else did you want." Elen of the Roads ( talk) 20:34, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I do think there was a degree of ownership going on there. Some discussions can be interminable because it is impossible to get all the parties to agree (just try reading any of the archives of Talk:Monty Hall problem if you want an exercise in futility.) But the truth is that unless you can get them to give ground, or you establish that their view really is a minority of all the voices (which it wasn't, it was about an even split), then you won't get to make the changes you want to an article. That's just how it goes. And in this case everyone did agree on something - it just wasn't as much as you wanted to add. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 23:46, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Xkcdreader,
Your subpages contain very interesting stuff. However, you really need to demonstrate some little breadth of experience and ability to work before telling others how to build content. I suggested not touching Star Trek for a week or two. i think that really is a minimum. You are intense, and I don't want to see you burn. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 01:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi there,
I appreciate the sentiment offered on the first line of your user page, but I'm afraid Wikipedia doesn't work like that; not much operates by votes anyway, and even if they did, you writing blanket support for me on your user page wouldn't actually give me any extra power.
If you do want to do something helpful though, something that could improve your own reputation around here too, I would invite you to bring some of your passion and vigor over to a long discussion at Talk:Free will that has been dragging on forever and which I am running out of time to engage in due to outside constraints in my life. I am not -- note well, NOT -- asking you to come there and argue my points for me, and if you blatantly do that it will both make you look bad and also reflect badly on me, so out of whatever gratitude you may have, please don't do that.
I have, however, been trying to stir up outside opinions in the discussion with little luck so far, and if you'd like to try your hand at an unrelated topic, perhaps you could dedicate some of your apparently boundless energy and ability to argue and research, to trying to help mediate the dispute there as an outside party. The main other person there is also a good editor who has a lot of valuable material to bring to the article, I mostly object to the way he is bringing it and unfortunately am having to resort to reverts and mostly curt rejections now that I have less time to dedicate to it, and I regret not being able to give his contributions the thoughtful response and integration they deserve.
If you, being uninvolved in the matter, could help to find more productive ways of integrating his contributions to the article without running into the points I'm objecting to, that would help the both of us there, lead to a better article, fix your reputation here, and help you learn the ins-and-outs of the way of wiki in a much slower and less intense venue than all of this Star Trek related stuff.
What say you? -- Pfhorrest ( talk) 06:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia is concurrently a wonderful and seriously messed up place. Wonderful, 'cause it's likely the best general information source the world has ever known and messed up 'cause it's run by imperfect people. There are, in fact, at least two sets of rules -- the ones that are written and the unwritten ones. Briefly, one of the unwritten ones is if you argue too much about something you'll annoy the other editors and you've already seen what happens after that happens. I don't have an opinion on whether the ban from ST discussions is appropriate -- I don't have time or inclination to wade through the discussions -- but as a heuristic I've found 28bytes to be one of the more reasonable admins around here. I do think the stalking you to your user pages was a bit much and have let him know that, but please do not be encouraged by that and resume discussion with him.
One of the positives of Wikipedia is that, generally speaking, the "community" has the attention span of a gnat and if you decide to edit other areas and learn the unwritten Wikipedia ways -- which is best done by observation -- folks will eventually pretty much leave you alone to edit. But you gotta be willing to "lose" -- sometimes your edits will stick, and sometimes they won't.
Regarding your post to Elen's talk page: first of all, don't do that. Way too long and way too much content discussion on something she may not care about -- discussion about content is best on the corresponding article talk page. Secondly you seem to be implying you feel like you're being wikistalked? Is that true?
If you really want a do-over, there's an option to clean start, but we'd have to get 28bytes or the community to sign off it, which I suspect -- but can't actually promise, unfortunately -- we could make happen if you promise to never, ever edit ST stuff with the new account. What I'd recommend instead is simply editing elsewhere for a while -- six months is the standard number, and then ask the ST topic ban be lifted. NE Ent 18:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi. As you're one of those folks who contributed to the work title capitalization rules discussion over at WT:MoS but then seemed to tune out (and therefore – as opposed to the "MoS regulars" – probably didn't follow it any further), I just briefly wanted to point you towards my latest post there (beginning with "As there has been little progress"), which might well be the last overall: I'm phasing out, and since there hasn't been much input by other users lately, it's likely that over the next few days, the thread'll die (i.e., disappear into the archives) without there having been made any changes to the MoS. So I'd be much obliged if you took the time to stake your support for or opposition to my proposal (should I also have put an RfC tag there?) and – unless it's accepted (I'm not holding my breath...) – maybe even considered keeping the debate going. Thanks. (I'm aware of the unsolicited nature of this message, so if you feel molested by it, I apologize.) – ὁ οἶστρος ( talk) 14:28, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
I believe you’d be interested in a change to Wikipedia policy I’ve proposed at WT:AT#Proposal: WP:COMMONNAME should use common orthography. If you are, please share your opinion of it there. — Frungi ( talk) 20:11, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
(La Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore, situata sulla sommità del colle Esquilino, è una delle quattro Basiliche patriarcali di Roma ed è la sola che abbia conservato le strutture paleocristiane. Una nota tradizione vuole che sia stata la Vergine ad indicare ed ispirare la costruzione della sua dimora sull'Esquilino. Apparendo in sogno al patrizio Giovanni ed al papa Liberio, chiese la costruzione di una chiesa in suo onore, in un luogo che Essa avrebbe miracolosamente indicato. La mattina del 5 agosto, il colle Esquilino apparve ammantato di neve.)
and compare it to the same paragraph translated using google translate; you get:
The following is the translated version: The Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore, situated on the summit of the Esquiline Hill is one of the four patriarchal basilicas of Rome and is the only one which has preserved early Christian structures. A note tradition has it that the Virgin Mary herself and govern the construction of the Esquiline Hill. Appearing in a dream to the patrician John and Pope Liberius, she asked to build a church in his honor, in a place that she would miraculously indicated. On the morning of August 5, the Esquiline Hill was covered with snow.
The following is the English version as found on the page you cite: Situated on the summit of the Esquiline Hill, St. Mary Major is the only patriarchal basilica of the four in Rome to have retained its paleo-Christian structures.
Tradition has it that the Virgin Mary herself inspired the choice of the Esquiline Hill for the church's construction. Appearing in a dream to both the Patrician John and Pope Liberius, she asked that a church be built in her honor on a site she would miraculously indicate.
The morning of August 5th, the Esquiline Hill was covered with a blanket of snow.
Ultimately I get the sense, that the sentence order of the English and Italian versions are identical; one is a translation of the other. Ultimately, I think the Italian preceded the English. I get a sense that the English is a translated version, bcause the sentence starting with Appearing has an akward structure; it is somewhat run on and ends in a somewhat dangling phrase. My question, to which I do not have the answer is whether the translator in this exercise tried to translate Santa Maria Maggiore to make an effort to have all the words in English for the paragraph. He obviously did not translate the title. However, how did he come up then with Mary Major, since most of the translation engines I tried (Babelfish, Google, Bing) did not make that leap. I don't know. As I said before looking at literature sources, there are a few sources that use St Mary Major, but they are clearly a minority, and some of them have an anglophile disdain of Italian use, calling Livorno, Leghorn, etc. I still don't think it translates to common use. Again, I stand by the title of the website you cite: The Papal Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore. Rococo1700 ( talk) 02:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Xkcdreader, I see you made a series of changes to the section on homosexuality and same-sex marriage, but you ended up with "because temptation itself sinful," which I think is a typo of some sort on your part, since (at least to me) it's not good English, and I'm not sure it means what you are trying to say. I think "temptation in and of itself is not sinful" made sense. Because you made a number of changes I don't want to fool around with your work right now, but could you take another look at your "final product" in this section? NearTheZoo ( talk) 13:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Re your last comment on WT:AT: From my read, no one was attempting to silence you. I know you’ve had issues with Rob, but it seems to me he was just saying that you should probably avoid talking about a specific subject that could get you into trouble. No one was barring you from discussing the proposed change; just the one troublesome example. Blueboar even asked you to use different examples. Please do continue to contribute to that debate. We don’t quite see eye-to-eye on the matter (popular use vs publisher use), but differing viewpoints is a good thing. — Frungi ( talk) 20:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Xkcdreader. I moved your comment (along with Smowton's response) at WT:Manual of Style from the middle of my comment to the end to make it clearer who said what. -- ToE 10:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)