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It's not that Whedon should be the only one credited for the idea of a mutant cure (as you point out, it's been done before). It's that the movie draws from the particular story he wrote about a mutant cure. In that context, the mention of the X-Men episode is irrelevant. WesleyDodds 12:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I responded in greater depth on your own page, but just to recap--it's not irrelevant, because Whedon's story is more similar to that of the animated series than that of the movie--probably because he was adapting the TV story for his own purposes. So if Whedon reworked Edens' story in the animated series for Astonishing X-Men, and the X3 scriptwriters then came up with a third treatment of the same basic idea after reading Whedon's comics, then the movie is affected by both stories--but not closely following either of them--Edens influences Whedon, who then influences the scriptwriters. And again, it's wrong to give Whedon credit for coming up with somebody else's idea. It's inaccurate, and it's misleading. If you mention Whedon, you have to mention Edens. I edited the article because it said Whedon was the first X-Men writer to use this idea, and that's an unfactual statement. Anybody reading the article before my edit would assume that Whedon came up with an idea nobody had ever used before. Which I doubt he has ever done in his entire career. Whedon's contributions to the material he works on are mainly contributions of style. Not content. That's an opinion, of course--and please note I didn't put it in my edit. I'm more than content to let the facts speak for themselves.
"The "cure" for mutant powers, its creator Kavita Rao, and the ethical problems associated with it first appear in Joss Whedon's 2004 "Gifted" story arc in Astonishing X-Men."
"In the 2005 "Decimation" X-Men storyline, a vast majority of the mutants, including Magneto, lose their powers, the result of Scarlet Witch's actions."
The main guideline is that any unsourced material can be removed by another editor at any time: Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence. You've cited that a cure storyline was used in the episode, but you haven't cited that it has any bearing on the topic at had. You're inferring it does by including the information, which is original research. And using talk pages is just good etiquette in order to avoid things like revert wars (which is why I wrote on yours in the first place). WesleyDodds 13:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Let me make a suggestion here--I know your primary concern is that the article meet Wikipedia's standards, and I'm guessing you didn't delete anything else because--um--it was already there? I'm convinced my edit makes the article more accurate and informative, and that my contribution is entirely relevant to the subject matter of the chapter in question--if you remove my information, you might as well remove the whole chapter. It's a very small edit I made--and you must admit I haven't exactly indulged myself in a lengthy essay about who got what idea where. I corrected the error about Whedon's story being the first appearance of a mutant cure, and I mentioned (without editorial commentary of any kind) that there was an earlier story that strongly resembled Whedon's. I properly sourced the information, so that the reader can make up his or her own mind, if he or she is interested in examining the matter further. To me, the whole point of an article like this is a more informed reader. Let's let the matter drop here. Give me a bit of time, and I'll post on the discussion page for X3, explaining the reasons for my edit, and opening up the floor to debate on its appropriateness. Fair enough? Xfpisher 15:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for tagging Goners as well! In the past, I was aware of Goners but not Goners (film), and for some reason, my awareness switched around to only consider the latter. Glad both are addressed now. Happy editing! — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 15:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello... please stop trying to correct the statements in the X-Files: I Want to Believe article. Quite simply, it is just an actor complaining about his film being released at the same time as a box-office behemoth in a similar genre, and readers will interpret it as such. Your attempts to "disprove" him by comparing it to films such as Mamma Mia! The Movie and Space Chimps - which appeal to entirely different audiences - are not appropriate for an encyclopaedic report. Keep in mind that we are here to record information, not to analyze it. Thank you. -- Ckatz chat spy 19:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hi there. I just saw your comments left on the talk page. Um, from the article you provided, it's an early idea about the sequel. Most readers wouldn't know about that, and since the idea was not really substantiated, it could be a very different film if/when the third one comes out. For now, we'll stick to what we saw in the film. We don't know if Jesse stayed or not. Best, Michelle. -- Artoasis ( talk) 03:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
The last sentence simply summarize what we know, which is exactly the point of plot summary. About the planned sequel, there's some mention of it in the production section ("Hawke had suggested the possibility of further films in the series"). We can use the interview you provided as a ref, but since they are still only ideas flowing around, per WP:CRYSTAL, no need to get into too much detail. My point is, when/If the third one comes out, it could be a very different story. -- Artoasis ( talk) 03:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
What do you say about adding some sort of note to the talk page about this? So if someone tries to add the budget to the infobox, they can be directed to it? — Statυs ( talk, contribs) 20:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Please note that per WP:FILMPLOT, the plot summaries for film articles should generally be between 400-700 words; your revised summary was over 900. Thank you for your understanding. DonIago ( talk) 13:47, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
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It's not that Whedon should be the only one credited for the idea of a mutant cure (as you point out, it's been done before). It's that the movie draws from the particular story he wrote about a mutant cure. In that context, the mention of the X-Men episode is irrelevant. WesleyDodds 12:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I responded in greater depth on your own page, but just to recap--it's not irrelevant, because Whedon's story is more similar to that of the animated series than that of the movie--probably because he was adapting the TV story for his own purposes. So if Whedon reworked Edens' story in the animated series for Astonishing X-Men, and the X3 scriptwriters then came up with a third treatment of the same basic idea after reading Whedon's comics, then the movie is affected by both stories--but not closely following either of them--Edens influences Whedon, who then influences the scriptwriters. And again, it's wrong to give Whedon credit for coming up with somebody else's idea. It's inaccurate, and it's misleading. If you mention Whedon, you have to mention Edens. I edited the article because it said Whedon was the first X-Men writer to use this idea, and that's an unfactual statement. Anybody reading the article before my edit would assume that Whedon came up with an idea nobody had ever used before. Which I doubt he has ever done in his entire career. Whedon's contributions to the material he works on are mainly contributions of style. Not content. That's an opinion, of course--and please note I didn't put it in my edit. I'm more than content to let the facts speak for themselves.
"The "cure" for mutant powers, its creator Kavita Rao, and the ethical problems associated with it first appear in Joss Whedon's 2004 "Gifted" story arc in Astonishing X-Men."
"In the 2005 "Decimation" X-Men storyline, a vast majority of the mutants, including Magneto, lose their powers, the result of Scarlet Witch's actions."
The main guideline is that any unsourced material can be removed by another editor at any time: Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence. You've cited that a cure storyline was used in the episode, but you haven't cited that it has any bearing on the topic at had. You're inferring it does by including the information, which is original research. And using talk pages is just good etiquette in order to avoid things like revert wars (which is why I wrote on yours in the first place). WesleyDodds 13:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Let me make a suggestion here--I know your primary concern is that the article meet Wikipedia's standards, and I'm guessing you didn't delete anything else because--um--it was already there? I'm convinced my edit makes the article more accurate and informative, and that my contribution is entirely relevant to the subject matter of the chapter in question--if you remove my information, you might as well remove the whole chapter. It's a very small edit I made--and you must admit I haven't exactly indulged myself in a lengthy essay about who got what idea where. I corrected the error about Whedon's story being the first appearance of a mutant cure, and I mentioned (without editorial commentary of any kind) that there was an earlier story that strongly resembled Whedon's. I properly sourced the information, so that the reader can make up his or her own mind, if he or she is interested in examining the matter further. To me, the whole point of an article like this is a more informed reader. Let's let the matter drop here. Give me a bit of time, and I'll post on the discussion page for X3, explaining the reasons for my edit, and opening up the floor to debate on its appropriateness. Fair enough? Xfpisher 15:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for tagging Goners as well! In the past, I was aware of Goners but not Goners (film), and for some reason, my awareness switched around to only consider the latter. Glad both are addressed now. Happy editing! — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 15:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello... please stop trying to correct the statements in the X-Files: I Want to Believe article. Quite simply, it is just an actor complaining about his film being released at the same time as a box-office behemoth in a similar genre, and readers will interpret it as such. Your attempts to "disprove" him by comparing it to films such as Mamma Mia! The Movie and Space Chimps - which appeal to entirely different audiences - are not appropriate for an encyclopaedic report. Keep in mind that we are here to record information, not to analyze it. Thank you. -- Ckatz chat spy 19:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hi there. I just saw your comments left on the talk page. Um, from the article you provided, it's an early idea about the sequel. Most readers wouldn't know about that, and since the idea was not really substantiated, it could be a very different film if/when the third one comes out. For now, we'll stick to what we saw in the film. We don't know if Jesse stayed or not. Best, Michelle. -- Artoasis ( talk) 03:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
The last sentence simply summarize what we know, which is exactly the point of plot summary. About the planned sequel, there's some mention of it in the production section ("Hawke had suggested the possibility of further films in the series"). We can use the interview you provided as a ref, but since they are still only ideas flowing around, per WP:CRYSTAL, no need to get into too much detail. My point is, when/If the third one comes out, it could be a very different story. -- Artoasis ( talk) 03:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
What do you say about adding some sort of note to the talk page about this? So if someone tries to add the budget to the infobox, they can be directed to it? — Statυs ( talk, contribs) 20:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
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