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didn't do it by purpose. I am not good with internet things and I am first days using wikipedia. I needed help for this question! the happy new year message was before and now I posted this... didn't know how it worked I thought you read my problem in the user page.
Why am I accused to have posted an article violating copyrights while I have put in the article the licensing section with links to official permission? Why is this article accused to be about a non relevant band? they are renown adn respected here in Italy and collaborate with a famous jazz musician, Mike Stern, check out their songs on myspace, he is really playing 4 tunes with them! Will my article be approved with no more suspects or accusations?
Sacredsoul2 (talk) 12:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC) Okay now it is fine. The user removed tag for deletion. sorry for bothering and please don't be mad at me, I am new to internet things!-- Sacredsoul2 ( talk) 12:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I semi-protected your userpage for one month. jj137 ♠ 01:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi NASCAR Fan24.. I don't disagree with your nomination for Whopper Freakout but I just wanted your opinion on something related.. I nominated an article about a small ad campaign initiated by PepsiCo a few weeks back that you can review at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dewmocracy.. do you think that should have turned out differently? I still believe that it isn't all that relevant but now I see it has been wedged into the Mountain Dew article and wanted your thoughts on that. Coccyx Bloccyx ( talk) 19:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Cheers mate, that's made my day! I think you're right about the need for outside comment - if the article is reverted again I'll post at the Wikiproject video games cleanup department and hopefully someone better at explaining stuff than me will drop by (and maybe make a better job of sorting out the article). Thanks again, Miremare 18:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I am concerned at the speed at which you nominated Stevan Pilipović for deletion. I monitor non-English language deletions, and often see notable individuals deleted, which disturbs me. Could you please slow down, to avoid biting the newbies, and contributing to systematic bias. It doesn't take that long to verify notability, and I feel this would have been much better referred to AfD. Cheers. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 23:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I have very little experience in AfD matters, and am asking for your input before nominating an article for deletion, because, quite frankly, I do not want to be seen as someone who capriciously nominates articles which do not meet AfD standards.
If you have time, please take a look at this article. It was created by the person who—as the intro asserts—is the very person who coined the term. Most of the edits are by that person. Most, if not all, of the sources link back to this person. I mean, at best it appears to me to constitute OR, at worst, self-promotion. But maybe I'm seeing it wrong. What do you think?
I selected you and many other editors pretty much completely at random; I picked one day's AfD archives, and clicked on the talk pages of the first two or three dozen editors' talk pages I came across. I hope that in using this selection method, I will get editors who are well-versed in AfD policies, yet who also represent a good cross-section of AfD philosophies. I will monitor your talk page for your response. Thanks. Unschool ( talk) 07:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey. I've seen you pretty much everywhere the past few months, and was wondering if you'd like to try for adminship at WP:RFA. I understand you're still new, but with your contribution record so far it shouldn't be too big of a deal. I'd gladly nom you if you want. Though if you have other co-noms already, let me know and I'll get in contact with them. Let me know if you're interested. Wizardman 17:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I've went and let Stormtracker94 know about this, so once he decides if he wants to co-nom, you can answer the questions and be ready to go. Wizardman 03:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hey there, I'm writing to inform you that I have withdrawn my request for adminship, which was currently standing at 11 supports, 22 opposes and 6 neutrals. This count could have been so much better if I had understood policy, although I believe that 17 questions is a lot to ask of a user's first RfA. I will take on all comments given at the RfA and will endeavour to meet the high expectations of the RfA voters. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN play it cool. 21:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey NF.
I just wanted to say that, although I decided not to support, I'm sorry your RfA did not go as you had hoped. Having gone through an unsuccessful RfA myself (and one that caused quite a row on IRC, actually), I know how frustrating it can be. The RfA process is a rough one, and I think it is unfairly rough on people who are generally good contributors but do not have the whole support of the community.
I hope there's no hard feelings coming out of this. I really do think you are a very good contributor and that, in time, you will make an excellent admin. Even in your comments over the last few days I have started to see you respond positively to some of the concerns people raised. I think that shows a commendable initiative on your part.
Please accept my most sincere well-wishes. I will keep an eager eye out for your next RfA. Until then, I hope to see you around.
Peace. - Revolving Bugbear 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I too would like to say that I hope you don't feel too badly about withdrawing: it must have been a hard decision, but a good one, I believe. The next time you run, once you have put the suggestions into action (as you have already shown yourself to be willing to do), you will pass with flying colours, which will be the real triumph, no? Good luck, and keep up the good work.--
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Hey, thanks for cleaning up my paragraphs in 'hamster' article. I'm going to be adding quite a bit more to the introduction and hopefully some information on the behaviour in the wild as I study them in College.
Once thing I am unsure about but how am I meant to verify claims that people have wrote about hamsters should I just change it to the facts?
Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Groovygramp ( talk • contribs) 08:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Im quite new to editing pages on Wiki, by sourcing do you mean find book references or online resources to prove my findings? Also how can I judge what I think is accurate and what is false as I want to make Wikipedia even more factual as I also noticed that the hamster page is very sceptical and brief. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Groovygramp ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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Setting new lows in thank-you spam:
Janitor's new tools
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New admin, new tools
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Not supporter's fault
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Wikipedia trembles
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DRV
A. B. wonders why
Copyright always confused
Fair use, farewell, bye
Qatar is
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Shucks those
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Will get it straight soon.
Dear RfA friend,
I will learn, chaos will fade
Thanks so much ...
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Nascar, thanks for the
green flag!
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No problem. I'm glad to revert. Anyways, I'm glad somebody notices the work of editors that do things "behind the scenes". Thanks for the smile too. I see you have a head injury, whats that about?-- Sunny910910 ( talk| Contributions) 23:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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That really is funny isn't it :P
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didn't do it by purpose. I am not good with internet things and I am first days using wikipedia. I needed help for this question! the happy new year message was before and now I posted this... didn't know how it worked I thought you read my problem in the user page.
Why am I accused to have posted an article violating copyrights while I have put in the article the licensing section with links to official permission? Why is this article accused to be about a non relevant band? they are renown adn respected here in Italy and collaborate with a famous jazz musician, Mike Stern, check out their songs on myspace, he is really playing 4 tunes with them! Will my article be approved with no more suspects or accusations?
Sacredsoul2 (talk) 12:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC) Okay now it is fine. The user removed tag for deletion. sorry for bothering and please don't be mad at me, I am new to internet things!-- Sacredsoul2 ( talk) 12:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I semi-protected your userpage for one month. jj137 ♠ 01:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi NASCAR Fan24.. I don't disagree with your nomination for Whopper Freakout but I just wanted your opinion on something related.. I nominated an article about a small ad campaign initiated by PepsiCo a few weeks back that you can review at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dewmocracy.. do you think that should have turned out differently? I still believe that it isn't all that relevant but now I see it has been wedged into the Mountain Dew article and wanted your thoughts on that. Coccyx Bloccyx ( talk) 19:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Cheers mate, that's made my day! I think you're right about the need for outside comment - if the article is reverted again I'll post at the Wikiproject video games cleanup department and hopefully someone better at explaining stuff than me will drop by (and maybe make a better job of sorting out the article). Thanks again, Miremare 18:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I am concerned at the speed at which you nominated Stevan Pilipović for deletion. I monitor non-English language deletions, and often see notable individuals deleted, which disturbs me. Could you please slow down, to avoid biting the newbies, and contributing to systematic bias. It doesn't take that long to verify notability, and I feel this would have been much better referred to AfD. Cheers. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 23:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I have very little experience in AfD matters, and am asking for your input before nominating an article for deletion, because, quite frankly, I do not want to be seen as someone who capriciously nominates articles which do not meet AfD standards.
If you have time, please take a look at this article. It was created by the person who—as the intro asserts—is the very person who coined the term. Most of the edits are by that person. Most, if not all, of the sources link back to this person. I mean, at best it appears to me to constitute OR, at worst, self-promotion. But maybe I'm seeing it wrong. What do you think?
I selected you and many other editors pretty much completely at random; I picked one day's AfD archives, and clicked on the talk pages of the first two or three dozen editors' talk pages I came across. I hope that in using this selection method, I will get editors who are well-versed in AfD policies, yet who also represent a good cross-section of AfD philosophies. I will monitor your talk page for your response. Thanks. Unschool ( talk) 07:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey. I've seen you pretty much everywhere the past few months, and was wondering if you'd like to try for adminship at WP:RFA. I understand you're still new, but with your contribution record so far it shouldn't be too big of a deal. I'd gladly nom you if you want. Though if you have other co-noms already, let me know and I'll get in contact with them. Let me know if you're interested. Wizardman 17:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I've went and let Stormtracker94 know about this, so once he decides if he wants to co-nom, you can answer the questions and be ready to go. Wizardman 03:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hello. This image is screenshot from FIFA 08 game. Sorry,but I'm not many know license in en-wiki. So I please for you: You change adequately image:Paul Robinson in FIFA 08. Greets:). Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 19:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I've userified the article from deletion review as [1]. Good reason to be an admin. DGG ( talk) 18:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I have still one question. If there would be a dangerous personal info, how can I bring the oversights to listen to me? They are busy users. D@rk talk 21:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I was asked to co-nom for you, but your RFA seems to have already started. Is it still okay to add my nom? STORMTRACKER 94 21:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hey there, I'm writing to inform you that I have withdrawn my request for adminship, which was currently standing at 11 supports, 22 opposes and 6 neutrals. This count could have been so much better if I had understood policy, although I believe that 17 questions is a lot to ask of a user's first RfA. I will take on all comments given at the RfA and will endeavour to meet the high expectations of the RfA voters. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN play it cool. 21:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey NF.
I just wanted to say that, although I decided not to support, I'm sorry your RfA did not go as you had hoped. Having gone through an unsuccessful RfA myself (and one that caused quite a row on IRC, actually), I know how frustrating it can be. The RfA process is a rough one, and I think it is unfairly rough on people who are generally good contributors but do not have the whole support of the community.
I hope there's no hard feelings coming out of this. I really do think you are a very good contributor and that, in time, you will make an excellent admin. Even in your comments over the last few days I have started to see you respond positively to some of the concerns people raised. I think that shows a commendable initiative on your part.
Please accept my most sincere well-wishes. I will keep an eager eye out for your next RfA. Until then, I hope to see you around.
Peace. - Revolving Bugbear 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I too would like to say that I hope you don't feel too badly about withdrawing: it must have been a hard decision, but a good one, I believe. The next time you run, once you have put the suggestions into action (as you have already shown yourself to be willing to do), you will pass with flying colours, which will be the real triumph, no? Good luck, and keep up the good work.--
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Hey, thanks for cleaning up my paragraphs in 'hamster' article. I'm going to be adding quite a bit more to the introduction and hopefully some information on the behaviour in the wild as I study them in College.
Once thing I am unsure about but how am I meant to verify claims that people have wrote about hamsters should I just change it to the facts?
Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Groovygramp ( talk • contribs) 08:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Im quite new to editing pages on Wiki, by sourcing do you mean find book references or online resources to prove my findings? Also how can I judge what I think is accurate and what is false as I want to make Wikipedia even more factual as I also noticed that the hamster page is very sceptical and brief. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Groovygramp ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)