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Thanks Xed, why don't you create the page, or map out a mock up of how it would be different than the other 'wanted articles' pages? I'll take a look at that and we can go from there. Mark Richards 04:06, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
By the way, you might consider starting a
WikiProject. You should probably try to avoid referring to
bias, when you can, since intimating that
Wikipedians are
Americentric seems to be
taboo. Good luck, and don't be discouraged by the community. --[[User:Eequor|
η
υωρ]] 05:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
While I think efforts to counteract the systemic bias of Wikipedia are all well and good, and I would contribute to them if I were able, I see no point in this kind of ostentatiousness [i.e. signing my name to a section on the Village Pump, as Xed requested. —No-One Jones (m)]. Let me know when the beta version is ready, okay? —No-One Jones (m) 04:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I do think that there should be some mechanism where those concerned with gaps in Wikipedia's coverage can keep track of where we're lacking. I'd be willing to help in such an effort.
One simple problem is that for the average Wikipedia contributor, such subjects are not quite so easy to research, either. Many Wikipedia articles are distillations of other information already available on the Web in English, after all; thus, the biases of the existing Web is reflected here. —Morven 05:32, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)
Hey, Xed. It looks like your CROSSBOW page is off to a good start. It looks like it'll be a good idea if you can get the support, and show that you're actually having an effect. But I've got a question: how did you choose the users to originaly notify about your plan (on their talk pages)? It's an interesting group. Thanks, Whosyourjudas 00:31, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
As you will notice, I've written a rather long comment on the new dispute within the project. This says most of what I want to say, but I'd like to further emphasize that at least I have observed a willingness from your side to compromise and move forward with the project. I think there will be a lot more issues to discuss as the project develops further, and I would hate for this discussion to lose any of its active and dedicated participants. That includes both you and Jmabel. I can see both sides of this - I understand if you feel hurt by being blamed for implementing unopposed suggestions, although I can also see it being percieved as "pre-empting consensus". Saying this with the hope that you don't find it out of line: If you're able to take the diplomatic path, responding to your critics with some understanding of their position, and possibly calling for clarification of the project's decision-making process to avoid things like this to happen again, I think this could improve diplomatic relations considerably. Which would be of great benefit to the project. Alarm 11:21, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Just to let you know that there is material to integrate into Burkina Faso on its talk page from the translation you requested. You may also wish to request that the parts of fr:Histoire du Burkina Faso and fr:Démographie du Burkina Faso we don't yet cover on en. also be translated. fabiform | talk 23:02, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Xed, you are absolutely correct about Wikipedia's bias. Wikipedia's bias starts with Jimbo Wales, flows through his admins and permeates the site. What else do you expect from a millionaire? One of the contradictions of the site is that it needs free labor, yet it only wants a certain point of view. This can't be admitted, though it is apparent to anyone who looks at the whole megillah. The only positive aspect about Wikipedia is that its pages are GFDL. I see two solutions to this problem - one, the users concerned with the bias should band together and do something about it. It's amusing how many of the American users are being accused of being "anti-American" when they express an isolationist foreign policy, it's straight out of Nazi Germany, anyone opposed to invasion of Poland or France was "anti-German".
Ah, OK. Thanks. [[User:Neutrality| Neutrality ( hopefully!)]] 22:08, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
Hello Xed, in response to your question, archiving discussions from the Village Pump to the appropriate talk page is standard procedure. Of course the discussion can be moved to an older archive on the talk page if you feel it takes too much room on the currently "live" talk page. -- [[User:Solitude| Solitude\ talk]] 14:35, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)
I am the editor who expanded much the article, and I cannot quite make out the At least until recent times the dominant ideology notice made at the Csb Project. I invite you (and others in the project) to share your thoughts in the article's discussion page as to further improvements. Interesting project, I just learned of its existence now (will look into it further). Thanks for taking the time. El_C
I don't really know what that comment meant, or indeed who wrote it. Feel free to add yourself to the list of participants on
WP:Bias --
Xed 11:24, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I will certainly consider doing so, thanks. I thought that since you added the template you would have an idea as to the reasons behind the notice. I am (temporarily) removing the template until these could be established. I agree that the article needs further expansion, but as for systemic bias, I think this needs to be better qualified prior to such a notice being issued, and acted upon. El_C
Because I think they look silly. We already have stub notes, we don't need those. Besides, what's Joan Jett got to do with countering systemic bias? Everyking 14:04, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Good work on the Dahomey Amazons! Very interesting subject, well written article. One question remains after reading: what was the name of this regiment in the local language? After all, Dahomey Amazons must be a name given by outsiders. The local languages of Dahomey were Aja and -to a lesser extent- Fon (both Gbe languages - that's why I want to know). - Mark Dingemanse (talk) 15:58, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
If you nominate or vote for an article, this is taken as a commitment to contribute to it This fortnight, the Second Sudanese Civil War is the CSB collaboration of the fortnight.- Xed 08:34, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Talk archives 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Thanks Xed, why don't you create the page, or map out a mock up of how it would be different than the other 'wanted articles' pages? I'll take a look at that and we can go from there. Mark Richards 04:06, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
By the way, you might consider starting a
WikiProject. You should probably try to avoid referring to
bias, when you can, since intimating that
Wikipedians are
Americentric seems to be
taboo. Good luck, and don't be discouraged by the community. --[[User:Eequor|
η
υωρ]] 05:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
While I think efforts to counteract the systemic bias of Wikipedia are all well and good, and I would contribute to them if I were able, I see no point in this kind of ostentatiousness [i.e. signing my name to a section on the Village Pump, as Xed requested. —No-One Jones (m)]. Let me know when the beta version is ready, okay? —No-One Jones (m) 04:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I do think that there should be some mechanism where those concerned with gaps in Wikipedia's coverage can keep track of where we're lacking. I'd be willing to help in such an effort.
One simple problem is that for the average Wikipedia contributor, such subjects are not quite so easy to research, either. Many Wikipedia articles are distillations of other information already available on the Web in English, after all; thus, the biases of the existing Web is reflected here. —Morven 05:32, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)
Hey, Xed. It looks like your CROSSBOW page is off to a good start. It looks like it'll be a good idea if you can get the support, and show that you're actually having an effect. But I've got a question: how did you choose the users to originaly notify about your plan (on their talk pages)? It's an interesting group. Thanks, Whosyourjudas 00:31, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
As you will notice, I've written a rather long comment on the new dispute within the project. This says most of what I want to say, but I'd like to further emphasize that at least I have observed a willingness from your side to compromise and move forward with the project. I think there will be a lot more issues to discuss as the project develops further, and I would hate for this discussion to lose any of its active and dedicated participants. That includes both you and Jmabel. I can see both sides of this - I understand if you feel hurt by being blamed for implementing unopposed suggestions, although I can also see it being percieved as "pre-empting consensus". Saying this with the hope that you don't find it out of line: If you're able to take the diplomatic path, responding to your critics with some understanding of their position, and possibly calling for clarification of the project's decision-making process to avoid things like this to happen again, I think this could improve diplomatic relations considerably. Which would be of great benefit to the project. Alarm 11:21, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Just to let you know that there is material to integrate into Burkina Faso on its talk page from the translation you requested. You may also wish to request that the parts of fr:Histoire du Burkina Faso and fr:Démographie du Burkina Faso we don't yet cover on en. also be translated. fabiform | talk 23:02, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Xed, you are absolutely correct about Wikipedia's bias. Wikipedia's bias starts with Jimbo Wales, flows through his admins and permeates the site. What else do you expect from a millionaire? One of the contradictions of the site is that it needs free labor, yet it only wants a certain point of view. This can't be admitted, though it is apparent to anyone who looks at the whole megillah. The only positive aspect about Wikipedia is that its pages are GFDL. I see two solutions to this problem - one, the users concerned with the bias should band together and do something about it. It's amusing how many of the American users are being accused of being "anti-American" when they express an isolationist foreign policy, it's straight out of Nazi Germany, anyone opposed to invasion of Poland or France was "anti-German".
Ah, OK. Thanks. [[User:Neutrality| Neutrality ( hopefully!)]] 22:08, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
Hello Xed, in response to your question, archiving discussions from the Village Pump to the appropriate talk page is standard procedure. Of course the discussion can be moved to an older archive on the talk page if you feel it takes too much room on the currently "live" talk page. -- [[User:Solitude| Solitude\ talk]] 14:35, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)
I am the editor who expanded much the article, and I cannot quite make out the At least until recent times the dominant ideology notice made at the Csb Project. I invite you (and others in the project) to share your thoughts in the article's discussion page as to further improvements. Interesting project, I just learned of its existence now (will look into it further). Thanks for taking the time. El_C
I don't really know what that comment meant, or indeed who wrote it. Feel free to add yourself to the list of participants on
WP:Bias --
Xed 11:24, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I will certainly consider doing so, thanks. I thought that since you added the template you would have an idea as to the reasons behind the notice. I am (temporarily) removing the template until these could be established. I agree that the article needs further expansion, but as for systemic bias, I think this needs to be better qualified prior to such a notice being issued, and acted upon. El_C
Because I think they look silly. We already have stub notes, we don't need those. Besides, what's Joan Jett got to do with countering systemic bias? Everyking 14:04, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Good work on the Dahomey Amazons! Very interesting subject, well written article. One question remains after reading: what was the name of this regiment in the local language? After all, Dahomey Amazons must be a name given by outsiders. The local languages of Dahomey were Aja and -to a lesser extent- Fon (both Gbe languages - that's why I want to know). - Mark Dingemanse (talk) 15:58, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
If you nominate or vote for an article, this is taken as a commitment to contribute to it This fortnight, the Second Sudanese Civil War is the CSB collaboration of the fortnight.- Xed 08:34, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)