Hi James. I've reverted your changes to the article Edward Drake. For one thing, you can't just overwrite an article about an Olympic skier to make room for your biography. Such conflicts should be handled using disambiguation. But in this case, I don't think an article on Edward Drake the director is even warranted as he fails the criteria for inclusion of biographies on Wikipedia. Most of the content you added is unverifiable and the fact that you have access to this info probably means that you are too close to the subject to be writing the article anyways. Best, Pichpich ( talk) 11:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear PichPich,
Please check the sources listed and the terms warranting a bibliography. I am unsure as to your fascination on the subject too. I have little to do with Drake other than handle the media and publicity side of a small production comapny in Melbourne. A simple Google search should educate you a bit more. I shall create a disambiguation for the skiier in question who has retired. I do not believe his contribution to the world of sports really warrants a one sentence article.
All the best,
- J
WoodyChaucer ( talk) 12:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Please stop. Skier Edward Drake participated in the Olympic games and that article will never be deleted. This is one of the first criteria listed at Wikipedia:Notability (sports). As for Edward Drake the filmmaker, let me reiterate that you should not be writing his biography since you are in a conflict of interest. Moreover, the criteria of WP:BIO are pretty unambiguous: we're looking for multiple instances of significant coverage about Edward Drake himself, not bits and pieces of information about him that can be gleaned from articles that mention his name. Pichpich ( talk) 12:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- I am entirely impartial in this matter, but I find your persistence amusing. To reach a compromise on such a petty point I am recommending disambiguation. In the case of Drake (film maker), I believe that having been a finalist in one of the worlds largest short film competitions and currently being in production on a feature film warrents notability. Much less individuals are featured on Wikipedia. Drake has accomplished more in his time than simply playing WoW. Should you do the honors or shall I in setting up the disambiguation page and redirects?
- You are not impartial if your work involves publicity for the company that's producing Animals or any other project of Drake. Now please stop overwriting Edward Drake. Until the world takes notice, the primary topic is still the skier. Pichpich ( talk) 13:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I have created a secondary page for Edward Drake (director). Perhaps I wasn't clear before, but I have no involvement with Drake other than employing him for a period of three weeks in 2008 to direct a corporate video. Give the kid a break, he's snagged financing to produce and direct his own feature film by the age of 21 and I'm quite sure thats a feat worth featuring. Theres a film with his name on it coming out in just under 6 months, so it is very reasonable to expect that the community will want to know his previous work. WoodyChaucer ( talk) 22:52, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- But Wikipedia is not in the business of giving a nice lollipop to deserving "kids", no matter how deserving. The film has not even finished shooting yet. Wait six months. If all goes well, and I sure wish Drake all the best, he will be the subject of sufficient media coverage to build an article. The criterion for biographical articles is that he should be the subject of articles in multiple reliable sources. Currently, that's simply not the case. On the other hand Animals (film) has received coverage and you'll notice that nobody called into question the existence of that article. For now, I suggest redirecting Edward Drake (director) to the film since the bulk of the biographical content is not supported by the sources anyways. Also I still believe you're understating your connection to Drake. If you only had a 4-year old brief period of involvement with him, you wouldn't be able to write about details of his life which are not published in public sources. At a minimum, you have met him regularly since or you have close friends in common. That's still a conflict of interest. Pichpich ( talk) 00:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Edward Drake (director)
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The article Edward Drake (director) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- A new filmmaker that has no refs that are significantly about him. Also fails WP:FILMMAKER
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Hi James. I've reverted your changes to the article Edward Drake. For one thing, you can't just overwrite an article about an Olympic skier to make room for your biography. Such conflicts should be handled using disambiguation. But in this case, I don't think an article on Edward Drake the director is even warranted as he fails the criteria for inclusion of biographies on Wikipedia. Most of the content you added is unverifiable and the fact that you have access to this info probably means that you are too close to the subject to be writing the article anyways. Best, Pichpich ( talk) 11:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear PichPich,
Please check the sources listed and the terms warranting a bibliography. I am unsure as to your fascination on the subject too. I have little to do with Drake other than handle the media and publicity side of a small production comapny in Melbourne. A simple Google search should educate you a bit more. I shall create a disambiguation for the skiier in question who has retired. I do not believe his contribution to the world of sports really warrants a one sentence article.
All the best,
- J
WoodyChaucer ( talk) 12:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Please stop. Skier Edward Drake participated in the Olympic games and that article will never be deleted. This is one of the first criteria listed at Wikipedia:Notability (sports). As for Edward Drake the filmmaker, let me reiterate that you should not be writing his biography since you are in a conflict of interest. Moreover, the criteria of WP:BIO are pretty unambiguous: we're looking for multiple instances of significant coverage about Edward Drake himself, not bits and pieces of information about him that can be gleaned from articles that mention his name. Pichpich ( talk) 12:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- I am entirely impartial in this matter, but I find your persistence amusing. To reach a compromise on such a petty point I am recommending disambiguation. In the case of Drake (film maker), I believe that having been a finalist in one of the worlds largest short film competitions and currently being in production on a feature film warrents notability. Much less individuals are featured on Wikipedia. Drake has accomplished more in his time than simply playing WoW. Should you do the honors or shall I in setting up the disambiguation page and redirects?
- You are not impartial if your work involves publicity for the company that's producing Animals or any other project of Drake. Now please stop overwriting Edward Drake. Until the world takes notice, the primary topic is still the skier. Pichpich ( talk) 13:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I have created a secondary page for Edward Drake (director). Perhaps I wasn't clear before, but I have no involvement with Drake other than employing him for a period of three weeks in 2008 to direct a corporate video. Give the kid a break, he's snagged financing to produce and direct his own feature film by the age of 21 and I'm quite sure thats a feat worth featuring. Theres a film with his name on it coming out in just under 6 months, so it is very reasonable to expect that the community will want to know his previous work. WoodyChaucer ( talk) 22:52, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- But Wikipedia is not in the business of giving a nice lollipop to deserving "kids", no matter how deserving. The film has not even finished shooting yet. Wait six months. If all goes well, and I sure wish Drake all the best, he will be the subject of sufficient media coverage to build an article. The criterion for biographical articles is that he should be the subject of articles in multiple reliable sources. Currently, that's simply not the case. On the other hand Animals (film) has received coverage and you'll notice that nobody called into question the existence of that article. For now, I suggest redirecting Edward Drake (director) to the film since the bulk of the biographical content is not supported by the sources anyways. Also I still believe you're understating your connection to Drake. If you only had a 4-year old brief period of involvement with him, you wouldn't be able to write about details of his life which are not published in public sources. At a minimum, you have met him regularly since or you have close friends in common. That's still a conflict of interest. Pichpich ( talk) 00:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Your contributed article, Edward Drake (Skier)
If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.
You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.
Hello, I notice that you recently created a new page, Edward Drake (Skier). First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as yourself. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page - Edward Drake. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Edward Drake - you might like to discuss new information at the article's talk page.
If you think that the article you created should remain separate, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Wikipedia looks forward to your future contributions. Pichpich ( talk) 13:17, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Edward Drake (director)
A tag has been placed on Edward Drake (director), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:
Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Andrew Kurish ( talk) 22:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
The article Edward Drake (director) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- A new filmmaker that has no refs that are significantly about him. Also fails WP:FILMMAKER
While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your
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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the
proposed deletion process, but other
deletion processes exist. In particular, the
speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and
articles for deletion allows discussion to reach
consensus for deletion.
Bgwhite (
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06:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)