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Hello! Welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy your time here and find ways to make valuable contributions to the articles here.
The Waldorf education article (and associated articles) are in a clean-up and arbitration process with special attention being given to ensuring that statements are attributed to verifiable sources, preferably print-published and third-party reviewed. It will help if you ensure that such sources are given for new statements added. Original research is to be avoided; this includes all statements made on the basis of one's individual experience that cannot be supported by objective documentation that meets Wikipedia standards. All of us are learning to work within these constraints; it is, after all, an encyclopedia!
With best wishes! Hgilbert 02:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I was sidelined yesterday so I especially appreciated seeing your efforts. There have been some restrictions on who can edit the articles because we had a few "visitors" dropping in at times. The restrictions are not intended to keep legitimate editors out. If you're having trouble getting access to edit a particular article, please let me know. I'm sure we can have one of the administrators extend permission to you. Thank you for your efforts! The articles are way too one-sided, as you noted, and your help in bringing them in to line is very appreciated. BTW, please don't be intimidated by the "tweed-jacket" editors who pretend to patiently be explaining the rules to you - they are sometimes confused about what is allowed themselves, and bend the rules in order to push their POV. Happy editing. Pete K 13:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I tried to address the sources issue on TheBee's page, but he has deleted the discussion (I've added it back but he'll delete it again - it's very Waldorfian to try to control communications, wouldn't you agree?) Anyway, here is what I tried to say to you on TheBee's page:
It would be a good idea to actually get the gist of the arbitration agreement directly from the arbitration agreement (and not from TheBee). TheBee is rather confused about what the decision meant regarding reliable sources and polemic sources - and this has already led to edit warring. In the one instance where he brought this conflict to the arbitrators, he was shown to be wrong. Your edits have been fine and other than a couple of sources that are not allowed, waldorfanswer, for example, they are pointing to good sources. I'll be happy to keep an eye on your edits. BTW, I think TheBee thinks you are a former Waldorf parent named Margaret (M.S.?) He's fishing because it's important for him to know who you are in order to disqualify you - and by extension, your edits. Hang in there, and don't get discouraged by the authoritative and aggressive tone of TheBee's response. Best wishes. Pete K 15:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC) Pete K 17:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Originally posted to Thebee's Talk page:
Wikiwag, I hope you haven't let TheBee bully you away from editing here. We need your help in these articles. He has done the same thing to many editors who have tried to help. Please hang in there. I have tried to address the Waldorf Ed article recommendations on the Waldorf Ed talk page. Pete K 17:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Please do not place the article probation tag on the article page. Such tags belong on the talk page only. Also, the generic {{ article probation}} template is not appropriate for this article, as the specific probation language in this case does not authorize admins ban disruptive editors, as shown here. Thanks. Thatcher131 19:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, Thebee thinks that if someone takes a few days off to actually focus on something called ... uh ... LIFE! [kids, wife, work, family or something apart from Wikipedia] that they're automatically someone else who took issue with him - in a different guise. That's either extreme paranoia, or extreme conceit - and I haven't decided which one.
I've had enough of your personal attacks here (one attack), here (two attacks) here and now here (numerous and at length) that up until now, I've largely let go without comment or retaliation.
So you've finally gone too far and exhausted my civil tone. Therefore, here's what I have to say back: Grow up, pal. And try getting a life yourself, before your own little "meat puppet" becomes your only friend.
- Wikiwag 06:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Maybe the Wikipedia markup was a stretch for you to grasp. But I assure you, that many others (myself included) aren't similarly handicapped.
Pursuant to Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education#Waldorf_education_and_related_articles_placed_on_probation I have initiated a review of the behavior of the editors of Waldorf education at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education/Review. This review will consider appropriate editing restrictions on editors of the article. Fred Bauder 02:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Ah. Ok. Was worried that I'd accidentally touched the "third rail." - Wikiwag 20:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings with my suspicions that you might be a sock puppet, based on the description of Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Characteristics_of_sock_puppets at Wikipedia, while Durova more seems to have lent towards meat puppetry. Then, who are you, and what made you come to Wikipedia specifically now to edit the Waldorf Ed article with such passion ?-)) Thebee 11:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you mentioned a checkuser request a couple of days ago, but I didn't see anything up on that page. Did you actually file that? I'd support your effort to clear the air. Durova Charge! 20:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I've opened the request. Check the link above: a clerk should post it shortly. Wikiwag and Pete, I recommend you follow up with posts there to state that you submit to this voluntarily and dig up Diana's old diff where she offered to undergo checkuser. My hands are full with other admin matters. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 21:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I hereby submit to a checkuser voluntarily. Pete K 00:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Here is Diana's request. Pete K 00:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Thebee: Be advised that pursuant to this post by you, I now consider this apology to be insincere, made in bad faith and further evidence of your persistent and continuous violations of WP:BITE. I have posted the appropriate evidence on the Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education page. - Wikiwag 21:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
It's nice to see that you like my userpage! The biographical things down the side are called userboxes - you can find them at Wikipedia:Userboxes and User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes (and a handful of other places, but those are good ones to start with); the code for the table is here:
{|style="float: {{{1|right}}}; margin-left: 0.5em; margin-right: 0.5em; margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: #99B3FF solid 1px; clear: right" |- | (a userbox would go here) |- | (here too) |- | (and so on) |- | |}
-- CameoAppearance orate 03:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
In light of the back-and-forth between you and Thebee I've submitted a shortened statement. I've linked to the checkuser and said that I have no recommendation if you choose not to submit evidence, but if you submit evidence against Bee I would support a schedule of blocks culminating in topic ban for WP:CIVIL and WP:BITE. If you want to submit evidence go here Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education/Review and create a section for yourself. Durova Charge! 19:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Wikiwag, thank you very much for your request, I am obviously flattered that I have made such a good impression.
I think we should wait for the ArbCom review to finish, as it is not yet certain that Pete K will be indefinitely banned. Also I have not made up my mind how I am going to approach the Waldorf Education articles in the future. There are a number of possibilities including leaving it all together or only getting involved directly in the talk page when requested to intervene in a conflict. With either of these two options it may be best if I did not have a mentee involved in the situation.
So though I would normally more than happy to be your mentor, I feel I should postpone any decision for the moment until we the outcome of Pete K and how I want to deal with these articles in the future.
That being said, like for Henitshirk, I am 100% always happy to answer any questions you may have (but short of giving detailed advice on how to approach conflict/discussion on Waldorf Education) or dealing with requests for getting involved in disagreements at the afore mentioned articles.
I hope you understand Wikiwag - I think you have brought some good stuff to the articles and I hope you continue to do so. Cheers Lethaniol 17:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Guys... even if I'm not banned, I will be leaving anyway for all intents and purposes. And Diana W (also a Lethaniol mentee) is no longer here - so please don't let my presence here block the way for Wikiwag. That said, I also understand Lethaniol's ethical position as far as wanting to edit the Waldorf articles while mentoring another editor who is active in the same set of articles. Pete K 20:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
The reviewing of the case has finished. You may view the decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education/Review.
For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 18:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Am sorry to hear that you are leaving Waldorf Education behind - but hey you are meant to enjoy Wikipedia, not stress over it. Maybe you can pop back occasionally and give a few opinions on how things are going.
On what else to concentrate on? - do you want to edit articles/content or do more housekeeping stuff? For the former WP:Wikiprojects is a good place to start for the latter see Wikipedia:Community_Portal and the Help Out section. If you have some specific interests or talents, tell me and I may be able to find something to get your teeth into. Cheers Lethaniol 21:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey Wikiwag, I'm very sorry to hear that you are fed up with the WE discussion. I think we very much need dissenting views, though I can see how it might be too time-consuming for little return. I tried to establish some specifics how the group would reach consensus, but at this point there are so few editors that I think people (in this case HGilbert) are just taking initiative based on brief discussions. I wish you would reconsider!! Henitsirk 02:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia cannot accept material that is declared to be " non-commercial use only" or " only for use on Wikipedia". Whilst it may seem reasonable to restrict material that way, Wikipedia content is syndicated around the world on the internet and in print, frequently for commercial purposes. Non-commercial or Wikipedia-only content is therefore useless to us. For that reason, such content is marked for speedy deletion automatically and deleted shortly after. For more information, you can visit this page. REDVERS ↔ SЯEVDEЯ 07:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate the quotation from Lao Tsu on your user page! Hgilbert 15:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to
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Wikiwag, FYI, this article has clearly met notability and verifiability reqs and I will take it on now. Let me know if you'd like my assistance on anything in particular; otherwise, consider it "safe." See the talk page for my explanation. I would suggest that you don't engage in any further conversation with the above editor on your talk page; instead, keep it all on the article talk page so that everyone can read that editor's concerted and aggressive responses to your inquiries. Have a great Wikiday! • Freechild 'sup? 14:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikiwag, while I understand you wish articles to remain neutral, the edits being done to "correct" edits we have made are making the article biased on the side of FFS. While I can understand taking out some statements, I feel as if leaving in the "response" by FFS directly towards me, while leaving my response to them out is also biased, as is calling those who have suffered abuse "survivors" rather than the survivors they are. Likewise, Betton House has been proven, through communications with the officials at said colleges, to have NO affiliation with these colleges....hence the edit on the page. This is the sole reason the colleges names were taken off of the BH website prior to it being "terminated"...Again, I'll accept some edits in the fairness of neutrality, but keep it neutral, not biased please.--djjone5ny —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJJONE5NY ( talk • contribs) 15:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
djjone5ny: All you have to do is demonstrate where your response was published by an independent party (e.g. NOT the CAFETY website). The response was published on an independent website of a trade journal that meets journalistic standards. Your response does not. Moreover, reverting previously reverted edits that were made on legitimate grounds is considered
edit warring. Per Wikipedia Policy:
Please find reliable sources to support your claims. Remember, the test is verifiability, not one person's view of the truth.
Further editwarring will be reported to AfC.
Finally, kindly sign your posts with four tildes - Wikiwag 15:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
wikiwag I appreciate your attempt at discussion as well as fighting for cafety's inclusion on wiki. My only concern with the response article is that it is a site that is unwilling to accept a response from others, as well as simply pays/takes payment from Family School. Off to work, but again thanks. I just don't want parents thinking the bias would legitimize the place, as it is dangerous...having lived through it DJJONE5NY ( talk) 18:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)djjone5ny
This addition to the faculty portion of the Family Foundation School wiki "Mr. Cheripko is also the only staff member in the history of
the Family School to have a student commit suicide under his watch.
In 2004, a student who had already indicated suicidal tendencies
plummeted to his death under Jan's studious, watchful eye.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/familyschoolsuicide.html" is 100% accurate and founded. Please do not remove it again.
CoreEpic (
talk)
21:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Emil
Hi. File:Familyfoundationschool.jpg, which you state is your own work, looks to be the same photo that is used on the school's website at [1]. Are you, personally, the photographer who took this photo with your own camera? If you, for example, worked for the school and took the photo in accordance with your official duties, the school, not you, would own the photograph. If you are the copyright holder, could you describe the circumstances by which the school is displaying your photo on their website? Thanks. -- B ( talk) 05:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. Just wanted to bring this user to your attention, as you have given them an absolute final warning over a week ago, and they persist on adding "information" about a suicide event at a school to Family Foundation School that is only supported by one source, and not acknowledged by the media or the institution itself.
Using Huggle, the user was auto-warned for introducing factually incorrect/unreferenced content, and continues to do so. Their edits were reverted twice by me, and they have since performed an undo on my last reversion.
I'll leave this in your hands :)
Chrisch Talk 15:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
... Sorry - after that, I meant User:CoreEpic... I was responding to an IP message at the same time! ... This user has however been blocked, but their controversial edit with only one reference remains, and I've already reverted them twice.
Chrisch Talk 15:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
One more, you might drop over to the MMS article, and see if you can help the editor there. I learned quite a bit watching that article be disassembled and reassembled. It was really rather amazing. I think the ELs you listed are applicable to both articles. You might talk about it there, and see what that heavily experienced editor says. You might even be able to work there without being bludgeoned by edit warriors. But maybe not. sinneed ( talk) 06:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I stopped entering my edit on the FFS wiki because I saw that it was getting me nowhere, not because I had come to consensus. Given the veracity of the information and given the neutrality of my most recent edit, I strongly believe it my responsibility to make sure that it is included on the page. please re-open the mediation request, if I cant talk reason into the talk page or enter the npov information quietly, then I would like my opportunity to have it mediated. please reopen the mediation CoreEpic ( talk) 13:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)CoreEpic
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Hello! Welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy your time here and find ways to make valuable contributions to the articles here.
The Waldorf education article (and associated articles) are in a clean-up and arbitration process with special attention being given to ensuring that statements are attributed to verifiable sources, preferably print-published and third-party reviewed. It will help if you ensure that such sources are given for new statements added. Original research is to be avoided; this includes all statements made on the basis of one's individual experience that cannot be supported by objective documentation that meets Wikipedia standards. All of us are learning to work within these constraints; it is, after all, an encyclopedia!
With best wishes! Hgilbert 02:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I was sidelined yesterday so I especially appreciated seeing your efforts. There have been some restrictions on who can edit the articles because we had a few "visitors" dropping in at times. The restrictions are not intended to keep legitimate editors out. If you're having trouble getting access to edit a particular article, please let me know. I'm sure we can have one of the administrators extend permission to you. Thank you for your efforts! The articles are way too one-sided, as you noted, and your help in bringing them in to line is very appreciated. BTW, please don't be intimidated by the "tweed-jacket" editors who pretend to patiently be explaining the rules to you - they are sometimes confused about what is allowed themselves, and bend the rules in order to push their POV. Happy editing. Pete K 13:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I tried to address the sources issue on TheBee's page, but he has deleted the discussion (I've added it back but he'll delete it again - it's very Waldorfian to try to control communications, wouldn't you agree?) Anyway, here is what I tried to say to you on TheBee's page:
It would be a good idea to actually get the gist of the arbitration agreement directly from the arbitration agreement (and not from TheBee). TheBee is rather confused about what the decision meant regarding reliable sources and polemic sources - and this has already led to edit warring. In the one instance where he brought this conflict to the arbitrators, he was shown to be wrong. Your edits have been fine and other than a couple of sources that are not allowed, waldorfanswer, for example, they are pointing to good sources. I'll be happy to keep an eye on your edits. BTW, I think TheBee thinks you are a former Waldorf parent named Margaret (M.S.?) He's fishing because it's important for him to know who you are in order to disqualify you - and by extension, your edits. Hang in there, and don't get discouraged by the authoritative and aggressive tone of TheBee's response. Best wishes. Pete K 15:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC) Pete K 17:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Originally posted to Thebee's Talk page:
Wikiwag, I hope you haven't let TheBee bully you away from editing here. We need your help in these articles. He has done the same thing to many editors who have tried to help. Please hang in there. I have tried to address the Waldorf Ed article recommendations on the Waldorf Ed talk page. Pete K 17:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Please do not place the article probation tag on the article page. Such tags belong on the talk page only. Also, the generic {{ article probation}} template is not appropriate for this article, as the specific probation language in this case does not authorize admins ban disruptive editors, as shown here. Thanks. Thatcher131 19:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, Thebee thinks that if someone takes a few days off to actually focus on something called ... uh ... LIFE! [kids, wife, work, family or something apart from Wikipedia] that they're automatically someone else who took issue with him - in a different guise. That's either extreme paranoia, or extreme conceit - and I haven't decided which one.
I've had enough of your personal attacks here (one attack), here (two attacks) here and now here (numerous and at length) that up until now, I've largely let go without comment or retaliation.
So you've finally gone too far and exhausted my civil tone. Therefore, here's what I have to say back: Grow up, pal. And try getting a life yourself, before your own little "meat puppet" becomes your only friend.
- Wikiwag 06:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Maybe the Wikipedia markup was a stretch for you to grasp. But I assure you, that many others (myself included) aren't similarly handicapped.
Pursuant to Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education#Waldorf_education_and_related_articles_placed_on_probation I have initiated a review of the behavior of the editors of Waldorf education at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education/Review. This review will consider appropriate editing restrictions on editors of the article. Fred Bauder 02:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Ah. Ok. Was worried that I'd accidentally touched the "third rail." - Wikiwag 20:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings with my suspicions that you might be a sock puppet, based on the description of Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Characteristics_of_sock_puppets at Wikipedia, while Durova more seems to have lent towards meat puppetry. Then, who are you, and what made you come to Wikipedia specifically now to edit the Waldorf Ed article with such passion ?-)) Thebee 11:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you mentioned a checkuser request a couple of days ago, but I didn't see anything up on that page. Did you actually file that? I'd support your effort to clear the air. Durova Charge! 20:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I've opened the request. Check the link above: a clerk should post it shortly. Wikiwag and Pete, I recommend you follow up with posts there to state that you submit to this voluntarily and dig up Diana's old diff where she offered to undergo checkuser. My hands are full with other admin matters. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 21:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I hereby submit to a checkuser voluntarily. Pete K 00:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Here is Diana's request. Pete K 00:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Thebee: Be advised that pursuant to this post by you, I now consider this apology to be insincere, made in bad faith and further evidence of your persistent and continuous violations of WP:BITE. I have posted the appropriate evidence on the Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education page. - Wikiwag 21:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
It's nice to see that you like my userpage! The biographical things down the side are called userboxes - you can find them at Wikipedia:Userboxes and User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes (and a handful of other places, but those are good ones to start with); the code for the table is here:
{|style="float: {{{1|right}}}; margin-left: 0.5em; margin-right: 0.5em; margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: #99B3FF solid 1px; clear: right" |- | (a userbox would go here) |- | (here too) |- | (and so on) |- | |}
-- CameoAppearance orate 03:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
In light of the back-and-forth between you and Thebee I've submitted a shortened statement. I've linked to the checkuser and said that I have no recommendation if you choose not to submit evidence, but if you submit evidence against Bee I would support a schedule of blocks culminating in topic ban for WP:CIVIL and WP:BITE. If you want to submit evidence go here Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education/Review and create a section for yourself. Durova Charge! 19:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Wikiwag, thank you very much for your request, I am obviously flattered that I have made such a good impression.
I think we should wait for the ArbCom review to finish, as it is not yet certain that Pete K will be indefinitely banned. Also I have not made up my mind how I am going to approach the Waldorf Education articles in the future. There are a number of possibilities including leaving it all together or only getting involved directly in the talk page when requested to intervene in a conflict. With either of these two options it may be best if I did not have a mentee involved in the situation.
So though I would normally more than happy to be your mentor, I feel I should postpone any decision for the moment until we the outcome of Pete K and how I want to deal with these articles in the future.
That being said, like for Henitshirk, I am 100% always happy to answer any questions you may have (but short of giving detailed advice on how to approach conflict/discussion on Waldorf Education) or dealing with requests for getting involved in disagreements at the afore mentioned articles.
I hope you understand Wikiwag - I think you have brought some good stuff to the articles and I hope you continue to do so. Cheers Lethaniol 17:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Guys... even if I'm not banned, I will be leaving anyway for all intents and purposes. And Diana W (also a Lethaniol mentee) is no longer here - so please don't let my presence here block the way for Wikiwag. That said, I also understand Lethaniol's ethical position as far as wanting to edit the Waldorf articles while mentoring another editor who is active in the same set of articles. Pete K 20:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
The reviewing of the case has finished. You may view the decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Waldorf education/Review.
For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 18:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Am sorry to hear that you are leaving Waldorf Education behind - but hey you are meant to enjoy Wikipedia, not stress over it. Maybe you can pop back occasionally and give a few opinions on how things are going.
On what else to concentrate on? - do you want to edit articles/content or do more housekeeping stuff? For the former WP:Wikiprojects is a good place to start for the latter see Wikipedia:Community_Portal and the Help Out section. If you have some specific interests or talents, tell me and I may be able to find something to get your teeth into. Cheers Lethaniol 21:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey Wikiwag, I'm very sorry to hear that you are fed up with the WE discussion. I think we very much need dissenting views, though I can see how it might be too time-consuming for little return. I tried to establish some specifics how the group would reach consensus, but at this point there are so few editors that I think people (in this case HGilbert) are just taking initiative based on brief discussions. I wish you would reconsider!! Henitsirk 02:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia cannot accept material that is declared to be " non-commercial use only" or " only for use on Wikipedia". Whilst it may seem reasonable to restrict material that way, Wikipedia content is syndicated around the world on the internet and in print, frequently for commercial purposes. Non-commercial or Wikipedia-only content is therefore useless to us. For that reason, such content is marked for speedy deletion automatically and deleted shortly after. For more information, you can visit this page. REDVERS ↔ SЯEVDEЯ 07:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate the quotation from Lao Tsu on your user page! Hgilbert 15:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to
talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, such as in
talk:CAFETY, you should
sign your posts by typing four
tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button
located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you.
Beeblbrox (
talk)
20:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on CAFETY, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{
hangon}}
to the top of
the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on
the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact
one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you.
Beeblbrox (
talk)
20:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikiwag, FYI, this article has clearly met notability and verifiability reqs and I will take it on now. Let me know if you'd like my assistance on anything in particular; otherwise, consider it "safe." See the talk page for my explanation. I would suggest that you don't engage in any further conversation with the above editor on your talk page; instead, keep it all on the article talk page so that everyone can read that editor's concerted and aggressive responses to your inquiries. Have a great Wikiday! • Freechild 'sup? 14:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikiwag, while I understand you wish articles to remain neutral, the edits being done to "correct" edits we have made are making the article biased on the side of FFS. While I can understand taking out some statements, I feel as if leaving in the "response" by FFS directly towards me, while leaving my response to them out is also biased, as is calling those who have suffered abuse "survivors" rather than the survivors they are. Likewise, Betton House has been proven, through communications with the officials at said colleges, to have NO affiliation with these colleges....hence the edit on the page. This is the sole reason the colleges names were taken off of the BH website prior to it being "terminated"...Again, I'll accept some edits in the fairness of neutrality, but keep it neutral, not biased please.--djjone5ny —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJJONE5NY ( talk • contribs) 15:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
djjone5ny: All you have to do is demonstrate where your response was published by an independent party (e.g. NOT the CAFETY website). The response was published on an independent website of a trade journal that meets journalistic standards. Your response does not. Moreover, reverting previously reverted edits that were made on legitimate grounds is considered
edit warring. Per Wikipedia Policy:
Please find reliable sources to support your claims. Remember, the test is verifiability, not one person's view of the truth.
Further editwarring will be reported to AfC.
Finally, kindly sign your posts with four tildes - Wikiwag 15:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
wikiwag I appreciate your attempt at discussion as well as fighting for cafety's inclusion on wiki. My only concern with the response article is that it is a site that is unwilling to accept a response from others, as well as simply pays/takes payment from Family School. Off to work, but again thanks. I just don't want parents thinking the bias would legitimize the place, as it is dangerous...having lived through it DJJONE5NY ( talk) 18:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)djjone5ny
This addition to the faculty portion of the Family Foundation School wiki "Mr. Cheripko is also the only staff member in the history of
the Family School to have a student commit suicide under his watch.
In 2004, a student who had already indicated suicidal tendencies
plummeted to his death under Jan's studious, watchful eye.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/familyschoolsuicide.html" is 100% accurate and founded. Please do not remove it again.
CoreEpic (
talk)
21:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Emil
Hi. File:Familyfoundationschool.jpg, which you state is your own work, looks to be the same photo that is used on the school's website at [1]. Are you, personally, the photographer who took this photo with your own camera? If you, for example, worked for the school and took the photo in accordance with your official duties, the school, not you, would own the photograph. If you are the copyright holder, could you describe the circumstances by which the school is displaying your photo on their website? Thanks. -- B ( talk) 05:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. Just wanted to bring this user to your attention, as you have given them an absolute final warning over a week ago, and they persist on adding "information" about a suicide event at a school to Family Foundation School that is only supported by one source, and not acknowledged by the media or the institution itself.
Using Huggle, the user was auto-warned for introducing factually incorrect/unreferenced content, and continues to do so. Their edits were reverted twice by me, and they have since performed an undo on my last reversion.
I'll leave this in your hands :)
Chrisch Talk 15:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
... Sorry - after that, I meant User:CoreEpic... I was responding to an IP message at the same time! ... This user has however been blocked, but their controversial edit with only one reference remains, and I've already reverted them twice.
Chrisch Talk 15:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
One more, you might drop over to the MMS article, and see if you can help the editor there. I learned quite a bit watching that article be disassembled and reassembled. It was really rather amazing. I think the ELs you listed are applicable to both articles. You might talk about it there, and see what that heavily experienced editor says. You might even be able to work there without being bludgeoned by edit warriors. But maybe not. sinneed ( talk) 06:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I stopped entering my edit on the FFS wiki because I saw that it was getting me nowhere, not because I had come to consensus. Given the veracity of the information and given the neutrality of my most recent edit, I strongly believe it my responsibility to make sure that it is included on the page. please re-open the mediation request, if I cant talk reason into the talk page or enter the npov information quietly, then I would like my opportunity to have it mediated. please reopen the mediation CoreEpic ( talk) 13:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)CoreEpic
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