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"Rocket" is great, as well. Of course classics like "Today" and "Cherub Rock" are always monumental. "Silverfuck" and "Geek USA" are awesome too, but the album as a whole is among my favorite things to come out of the 90s Alternative Rock movement, along with In Utero and Blood Sugar Sex Magik. Mellon Collie used to be my favorite album but I'm an advocate for a more focused, proportionate album (Stadium Arcadium was even too much for me to handle and I could base my life on the Chili Peppers). Siamese Dream is just perfect. NSR77 T C 19:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree. MACHINA had some awesome, spacey guitar work though. I give it that. Adore was a great attempt to be different. Everything prior to it pretty much utopia. Zeitgeist was too politically involved. Some songs, in almost every band, have various underlying political motifs. This new album, though, was arrogant enough to name songs "United States" and "For God and Country". I saw the new Pumpkins live in San Francisco and they were great. I can't wait until they announce some New York dates so I can fly home and see them again. I'm not, however, lucky enough to be my age (or even in high school) during the time period I center my life in. If I could be the person I am right now in 1990 I'd love it. To have seen the Chili Peppers with Nirvana or the Smashing Pumpkins? The Pumpkins in 1996? Nirvana at all? I could have died a happy man. But, alas, life is not kind enough. :) NSR77 T C 00:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Just musing on creating an article about the formation of the Pixies (I reckon I could write a decent-sized article on the whole thing). What are your thoughts? CloudNine 20:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi!, I've nominated this article for FA list status, but since I need more people to pass it to get it to FA, I was wondering if you could review it for me please? :).
Many thanks in advance! :). Marcus Bowen 16:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd put the above article on your radar. I might get time to take a pass, but would appreciate your thoughts. Steve block Talk 00:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mr Sandman. If you want any encouragement or help, let me know. I pulled a similar rewrite on Superman at the beginning of the year, although I got that through under the veil of an actual review of the featured article status, and I too found it hard to balance what I felt the article should be with the approach other editors were taking. Since the rewrite, though, the page has, to my amazement, stayed fairly stable since. I have Batman on my watchlist, but given the number of other people who watch it it tends to fall down my list of priorities. So if you need someone to chip in debate, let me know. I read through your rewrite on your user sub-page, and I don't have any issues with it. Looks like a good job, to be honest. One day I'll get back to the re-write of Comics I have in my subpage tree somewhere. Steve block Talk 13:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow! That's the best news I've heard in a while. Do you think we ought to start My Bloody Valentine's third studio album? -- Brandt Luke Zorn 01:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've expanded the lead a little, though I can't think to add anything else right now and it's probably a little awkwardly worded. -- Brandt Luke Zorn 07:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
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I'll do that, thanks for the tip! faithless (speak) 02:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
There are 3 that stand out straight away: I have a casette recording of the fall live in iceland from 1982, when they were touring songs from Hex Enduction Hour, Richie Hawtin Live @ Chesterfield Labelland Gold 22-06-2002, and er, Thin Lizzy Live and dangerous (because of a woman; the one that got away). Ceoil 08:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Dont know anything about industrial music; but the only reason anybody puts post in front of a gendre is because (a) they are trying to distingush (sic) a new band, (b) they are a wanker. Ceoil 08:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your comments on the previous FLC for the Nine Inch Nails discography. Unfortunately the FLC failed since I just didn't have enough time to address the issues raised, but I have since had a bit more free time, and have addressed the problems and have resubmitted the article for Featured List status. I would very much appreciate if you could give the article another look and let me know what you think on its new FLC page. Thanks! Drewcifer 05:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Gain his voice
On pepper tree
Hardened swallow whole hose
Real muse and she
Its fairy dust of the first order, but there is nothing wrong with that.
Ceoil
22:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
MBV Album no 3. Thats what.
Ceoil
09:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Are you interested in collaborating again sometime soon on Zen Arcade? (I reckon with work it might be a GA). Also, I'm looking to expand Metal Circus or New Day Rising sometime soon if you're interested. CloudNine 20:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you are listed as Wikipedia:One featured article per quarter for this article, so thought you'd like to know I've GA reviewed it and placed it on hold. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 04:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Hm. The argument that you used limited sources is odd, and the other issues seemed minor. Plus now the sources issue would undoubtedly be brought up at FAC if you take it there. Unfortunately, neither book is readable from Amazon or Google Books either, or else I would have recommended that you take a few token references from them. Oh well; it's nice the reviewer is trying to access the books himself, because it won't really hurt the article even if isn't really necessary. -- Brandt Luke Zorn 05:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you think that Siamese Dream (and all the other Smashing Pumpkins album articles, for that matter) really need outtakes sections? I argued for them during the FAC of Adore, but now I'm not really liking them. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 00:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
That's bad news. I probably won't be able to get it: $40 would be about 8 weeks of chores, and I'm not really eager to spend all that on one book. Do you know anyone who owns it who could scan it?
Also, have you heard about this? Billy went to find the original Siamese Dream twins, but I don't think anything became of it and his intentions were never made clear. I figure it'd be worth mentioning, but I thought I'd ask you about it first. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 06:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Nine Inch Nails WikiProject. There's alot of NIN-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help me get this project of the ground and a few Nine Inch Nails pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! Drewcifer 10:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Yeah, that article is a project I've been putting off for a long time for some reason. (Although expanding The Breeders will help with expanding the article). I think I'll expand Lovering first (possibly to FA status) and then work on Deal's article. CloudNine ( talk) 23:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I nominated Rock Steady (album) as a featured article candidate a month ago. It had two supports and just got an oppose for copyediting issues. From the comment, I'm assuming that the issue extends to more than just the points listed, so I was wondering if you might be able to look through the article. 17Drew ( talk) 08:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I think I've made all of the changes you recommended at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rock Steady (album). The main reason for the Songs section was because of a comment at the first FAC for Love. Angel. Music. Baby., which was the only FAC I had fail. I think you're right about the duplicate information though. I added the section for Rock Steady (album) to use as much information as is available since there are fewer sources since the album's older, but on the same note, it meant that what information there was often did get repeated.
I made some of the bulleted suggestions to the article itself and then userfied the article at User:17Drew/Rock Steady since merging the Songs section was too much for one edit. The information from the Songs section is now merged into the Composition and Sales and impact sections ( diff). Let me know if this was what you had in mind and if I should move it to the actual article. 17Drew 05:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd love to do In Utero. Then there's also "Heart-Shaped Box", which we never really started. Any thing would be fine though, really. What else were you thinking of? -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 10:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I do not need to take the article through GAR to delist it. Read WP:GAR. It says If you find an article that you suspect should be delisted, but aren't certain, then you can ask other editors to reassess it here. Well, no, I don't "suspect" it should be delisted, I'm certain it should be delisted, and I will delist it unless this problem is resolved. The policy states, Leave a message on the article talk page detailing any remaining problems. Allow time for other editors to respond. If the article still does not meet the criteria, it can be delisted. Nobody has responded to the fundamental problems and all attempts at fixing it have been reverted without discussion. Once it is delisted, the discussion process can begin as to how to fix it and bring it up to GA standards once again. FCYTravis ( talk) 09:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi. You recently removed a substantial amount of relevant and researched information from the above article without explaining why, either in an edit summary (blank) or by posting to Talk:David Bowie. If you would like to discuss why you believe the info should be removed, please post there with valid comments. In the meantime, your edit has been reverted. Please do not repeat the edit until you have entered into consensus-building to establish the validity of your change. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 12:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll give some feedback, but it'll be very picky. Up to you. LuciferMorgan ( talk) 15:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Wesley, what is this?
Did you actually read that section before you deleted it? It's not POV. It's a statement of the major points of the theory - with sourced rebuttals. It was intentionally written not to be "this happened, this happened, Kurt was murdered". It's written as "Grant says this, but other media investigated it and said this". It's the same model used by 9/11 conspiracy theories. -- ChrisB ( talk) 03:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I am sorry about the ordeal with Alice in Chains, and I see your point. I suppose I can't argue with someone with an english major either.
Thank you,
Skeeker [ Talk 01:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for putting that list together; made for interesting reading (esp. the overwhelming focus on artists rather than albums or songs). The new list definitely has some surprises; the article on David Lovering is longer than that of indie rock for example. CloudNine ( talk) 16:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've put the Radiohead article up for a peer review, and would welcome your opinions on it. Thanks. Atlantik ( talk) 21:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Hadn't realised I'd come off that aggressive, and for that I apologise. Like I say, let me know which points you need developing, and I'll be happy to look up some sources. As to the situation regarding the nationality, I'm not being aggressive but I am asserting our policies. Hiding T 12:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
In a rush, supposed to be working, but I can source a quote where Bilinda discusses Googe's lack of role on the album, something about the time it would have taken to explain what Kevin wanted made it easier to do himself. There's also a quote somewhere about 1990 being devoted to basslines only, although how true that is I don't know, and I think I've got something on the tinnitus, I'm sure I have something about Shields seeing a doctor and it was to do with their loud volume. Shields has also been ribbed as a hypochondriac by fellow band members. I'll try and dig it up unless you've read all this before? It's from old interviews. Hiding T 10:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Tinnitus, it's not exactly tinnitus, but here's the quote, from 1992, touring Loveless:
“ | The last time I went to the doctor he said I can't listen to loud music anymore."
Deaf, too. "Yeah, I still have good hearing, but it's a lot less than it used to be. I get too much enjoyment out of blasting my head off and it's taken its toll. Apparently, it's common. In 10 years' time, because of the Walkman generation, 50 percent of people will be walking around with hearing problems." "We've all got ear problems," says Bilinda. "Yeah," nods Kevin. "When you have your eardrum burst by feedback it's frightening. It happens quite easily. When you're onstage in front of all the speakers and you get microphone feedback, it's incredible. You literally lose your balance and feel sick. But I understand that and I just like to know exactly what's wrong with me. |
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To me that contrasts with the article which states Concerned friends and band members suggested this was as a result of the unusually loud volumes MBV played at their gigs: "Ill-informed hysteria" according to Shields.
Regarding the Brian Eno quote that the article sources from the press release, Melody Maker attribute it to a lecture he gave: And it won them acclaim from Brian Eno, who, in a lecture at New York's Museum Of Modern Art, described it as "the vaguest piece of music ever to get into the charts". If Steve Reich or Glenn Branca had been responsible for it, he continued, they would have been given an award by the classical music establishment. Melody Maker, December 1990 "Symphonic Chaos".
I also have a rather amusing snippet on the Soon remix where Melody Maker trash it. Can't source the basslines for 1990 as yet, dunno where I put that. Hiding T 11:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll review it too if you want. I've read it over a few times, but haven't really disassembled it for a review. I can try to get that done by the end of today. On another note, would you (or anyone else that you think would be willing) take a look at Niandra Lades and Usually Just a T-Shirt? It is not long and wouldn't take up too much of your time. I'm really displeased with the backlog at GAC. It kind of puts me off to writing another article because I know it will take forever to get through the process. Regards, NSR77 T C 20:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll get to the magee quote later, but what exactly does 'Loveless was largely recorded in mono sound' mean? Ceoil ( talk) 01:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
The man says "This video is unavailable" Ceoil ( talk) 05:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
one, two, 3, 4. Ceoil ( talk) 12:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I've seen some strange things in my time, but fuck me; U2 + Arcade Fire - Love Will Tear Us Apart Again + accordian + fiddle? Ceoil ( talk) 12:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Spent the last half hr watching The Spangle Maker on utube. Is liz frazier hot, or is it just me? Ceoil ( talk) 14:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thought you might be interested in the nomination for deletion of the punk metal article. Thundermaster367 Thundermaster's Talk 13:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Your serial deletions of my edit to the R.E.M. (band) are apparently some sort of power-trip on your part. If you continue, I will bring the matter up to as many arbitration committees and admins as I feel necessary. J.R. Hercules 16:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
^ lol. Yeah, Bill Berry seems to be an elusive fellow, almost as elusive as Michael Stipe's hair. Can you think of any Berry-era notable performances or years when the band was touring heavily? I might be able to find a fansite or something like that with appropriate photos and mail them a request. - Phorque ( talk) 08:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Do you wish me to deliver it? xihix( talk) 00:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure about you, but they look right to me... xihix( talk) 21:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, would you please talk some sense into User:Demantos. He is trying to merge Godsmack discography with Godsmack. Godsmack has enough music to warrent a seperate article for discography, and any substantially successful band has one on wikipedia. Please comment on his talk page, and comment here.
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I'd be glad to help on the weekend, but right now I'm literally swamped with homework and studying and fun stuff like that. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 06:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
GA passed, congrats. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 06:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I just now added a sample of "Soon", but I haven't filled out a description of the song and I won't be able to until later today. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 14:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, I'll need all i can get based on the articles' size. I do have a few things to say;
That's all for now. M3tal H3ad ( talk) 02:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Wesley. I'd love to talk about Scottish music with you - you seem interested in some parts of the scene. APKH ( talk) 13:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. The main problem with the article is gathering enough quotes to make sure the correct information is written in the correct series of events. Thanks again! NSR77 T C 16:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Feel free to take a look at Flea whenever you have some spare time. I managed to dig up an awesome picture of him and Kurt from 1992 when the Chili Peppers were on tour with Nirvana. NSR77 T C 02:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I saw it several years ago (when I used to do a whole bunch of shit) and it really spoke to me. Thanks for reminding me about the Rolling Stone article. I actually have that issue and can't believe I didn't use it. There's a bunch of tiny things that still need to be added to the article. R.E.M is your next project? NSR77 T C 00:26, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd like you opinion here on whether "umbrella term" should be on the template. Inhumer ( talk) 05:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Illness has prevented me going to the library, but I'm hoping to get there before the end of Jan. I don't recall MM doind stars, I'm sure that was just NME. I'll check when I hit the library. Hiding T 14:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Wesley, You reverted my edits to the lede of Wilco. Wikipedia policy is that reverting is a serious measure, to be mainly used to combat vandalism. As well, other editors are allowed to edit articles, even if it is your favourite article...as the tagline goes, " If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly...by others, do not submit it." I have been working on a lot of ledes lately, and there are two trends. Some are super-super short ("Band X was formed in 1999. They released 3 albums"), and some are too long. Nazamo ( talk) 17:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Nice. I'm definitely going to restart work on Kim Deal soon (and I plan to start the Pixies reunion tour article soon), so the magazine will prove helpful with both. CloudNine ( talk) 19:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
By Ian Christie. Do you happen to own this book by any chance? I think the Metallica article could use a bigger variety book/magazine sources M3tal H3ad ( talk) 03:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hiya Wes, how goes it? I'm busy improving Deftones at the moment and wondered if you'd whiz by the talk page and assign it an importance for the alternative wikiproject? I'm just not sure myself where they would fall. - Phorque ( talk) 12:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
You have a valid point that 'Rhapsody online' may not be a valid source, but there are few more respected sources than BBC and Guardian. What do you think? Personally, I don't think the band are either Post Punk or Post Punk Revival, coming from a UK perspective. PPR seems to be a label that is applied more liberally stateside. Best wishes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wardroad ( talk • contribs) 17:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for dropping that in. I figured the sourcing was good, but I didn't want to stick my neck out with the issue given the nature of the debate so far. I'm looking to archive the talk page after Christmas in the hope it might move things on. Hiding T 17:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey, you did a great job cleaning up Oasis's page, please help with Liam's page too. Writer1400 ( talk) 22:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar - it was greatly appreciated. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 22:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I just got home to find my sister watching Hairspray. I'll definitely watch it when she's done. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 03:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Yay! Congrats to you and Ceoil for literally 99.9% of the whole thing. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 00:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I can't start anything today, because my family's driving home from Arizona and I won't have internet for most of the day. But I should be able to tomorrow. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 13:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! LuciferMorgan recommended you as one of the users to review the article Hybrid Theory which is currently undergoing a second peer review and might soon become a featured article. With your help and scrutiny on the article, that goal might just become true. If there is anything, please reply on my talk page. Thanks! (SUDUSER) 85 06:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I've always been under the impression that the band Talking Heads, are alternative rock—or at least "proto-alternative", if you will. Their style of music surely fits this category, and they've had quite a large influence on many alternative bands; as well as the genre as a whole. Do you have an opinion on this issue, or know of any sources that describe them as alternative? Grim ( talk) 00:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
As much as I like the guy, this cannot be compared to this. Ceoil ( talk) 02:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Im so pissed off with betacommand, its just not funny. Content vs janitors? When we are disrespted with templates like this, I feel, angry, hurt, used. Tindersticks time, I guess. Ceoil ( talk) 01:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Is that beer still on offer? Its back to the cocteau twins for me bty! Life is too short for the Tinersticks! Have a good christmas... Ceoil ( talk) 23:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I really feel your condensing of the Black Dossier article goes far beyond the Summary style recommendations, I have posted a message to the discussion section of this article asking for a vote on the matter 89.101.242.183 ( talk) 23:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I seriously disagree with Bad Brains being removed as an influence. You say it isn't sound? Expand, explain more clearly? If you've heard their records, or know about the influence they had, I'm surprised you would remove them as an influence.-- 128.59.143.41 ( talk) 10:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Has nothing to do with the article? The article mentions everyone from Gang of Four to the Pixies, from Redd Kross to Dino Jr as an influence. I don't see why you are making an exception to Bad Brains... I think you have to do better than that. But I will fix it, so that it fits better.-- 24.238.91.82 ( talk) 17:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I trimmed it down, tried to make it fit better. I hope this is an acceptable compromise, that both keeps the flow of the article and adds, rather than detracts from it.-- 24.238.91.82 ( talk) 17:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you reverted my edit on the Earth Two article saying that it was unecessary. I have to say, I disagree. I'll refer to this from comic book:
“ | American comic books have become closely associated with the superhero tradition. In the United Kingdom, the term comic book is used to refer to American comic books by their readers and collectors, while the general populace would likely consider a comic book a hardcover book collecting comics stories.[1][2] The analogous term in the UK is a comic, short for comic paper or comic magazine. | ” |
Since the term comic book means something different in Britain, and probably in Japan as well. It seems appropriate to link to the proper article. In this case since the article deals with an aspect of super-hero comics, the American comic book article seems to be the better of the two options. Stephen Day ( talk) 03:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Gimme a few minutes. And you are welcome to use that thing any time. Creation records time again! Ceoil ( talk) 11:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Got that Spin article in the post today; should prove helpful. Also, I've added a Musical style section to the Dinosaur Jr article; any particular thoughts on what song would best exemplify the Dinosaur style? CloudNine ( talk) 11:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I would have to say that bias towards alternative rock articles is inevitable with the good work of this project that you're a major participant in. It's slightly ironic - in terms of Wikipedia rock articles, quality non-alternative rock articles are the 'alternative' to the norm of great quality featured alt-rock articles. I like many genres of music beyond alternative rock and indeed rock in general, and I think it's sad that some non-alt-rock stuff is being neglected. For example, Traffic is a much poorer article than the individual Smashing Pumpkins song " Today", yet this shouldn't really be the case. Also see my failed GA nomination for Family (band) earlier this year on the talk page there. I'd like to go about making the article for a band like Traffic a featured article, but I wouldn't really know how. I've tried for FAC with King Crimson but couldn't proceed past GA. I also have concerns that an article I got to GA status earlier, Out of Reach, uses opinion pieces masquerading as reliable sources.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 09:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Please use them both. - Dudesleeper · Talk 14:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
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"Rocket" is great, as well. Of course classics like "Today" and "Cherub Rock" are always monumental. "Silverfuck" and "Geek USA" are awesome too, but the album as a whole is among my favorite things to come out of the 90s Alternative Rock movement, along with In Utero and Blood Sugar Sex Magik. Mellon Collie used to be my favorite album but I'm an advocate for a more focused, proportionate album (Stadium Arcadium was even too much for me to handle and I could base my life on the Chili Peppers). Siamese Dream is just perfect. NSR77 T C 19:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree. MACHINA had some awesome, spacey guitar work though. I give it that. Adore was a great attempt to be different. Everything prior to it pretty much utopia. Zeitgeist was too politically involved. Some songs, in almost every band, have various underlying political motifs. This new album, though, was arrogant enough to name songs "United States" and "For God and Country". I saw the new Pumpkins live in San Francisco and they were great. I can't wait until they announce some New York dates so I can fly home and see them again. I'm not, however, lucky enough to be my age (or even in high school) during the time period I center my life in. If I could be the person I am right now in 1990 I'd love it. To have seen the Chili Peppers with Nirvana or the Smashing Pumpkins? The Pumpkins in 1996? Nirvana at all? I could have died a happy man. But, alas, life is not kind enough. :) NSR77 T C 00:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Just musing on creating an article about the formation of the Pixies (I reckon I could write a decent-sized article on the whole thing). What are your thoughts? CloudNine 20:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi!, I've nominated this article for FA list status, but since I need more people to pass it to get it to FA, I was wondering if you could review it for me please? :).
Many thanks in advance! :). Marcus Bowen 16:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Just thought I'd put the above article on your radar. I might get time to take a pass, but would appreciate your thoughts. Steve block Talk 00:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mr Sandman. If you want any encouragement or help, let me know. I pulled a similar rewrite on Superman at the beginning of the year, although I got that through under the veil of an actual review of the featured article status, and I too found it hard to balance what I felt the article should be with the approach other editors were taking. Since the rewrite, though, the page has, to my amazement, stayed fairly stable since. I have Batman on my watchlist, but given the number of other people who watch it it tends to fall down my list of priorities. So if you need someone to chip in debate, let me know. I read through your rewrite on your user sub-page, and I don't have any issues with it. Looks like a good job, to be honest. One day I'll get back to the re-write of Comics I have in my subpage tree somewhere. Steve block Talk 13:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow! That's the best news I've heard in a while. Do you think we ought to start My Bloody Valentine's third studio album? -- Brandt Luke Zorn 01:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've expanded the lead a little, though I can't think to add anything else right now and it's probably a little awkwardly worded. -- Brandt Luke Zorn 07:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
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I'll do that, thanks for the tip! faithless (speak) 02:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
There are 3 that stand out straight away: I have a casette recording of the fall live in iceland from 1982, when they were touring songs from Hex Enduction Hour, Richie Hawtin Live @ Chesterfield Labelland Gold 22-06-2002, and er, Thin Lizzy Live and dangerous (because of a woman; the one that got away). Ceoil 08:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Dont know anything about industrial music; but the only reason anybody puts post in front of a gendre is because (a) they are trying to distingush (sic) a new band, (b) they are a wanker. Ceoil 08:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your comments on the previous FLC for the Nine Inch Nails discography. Unfortunately the FLC failed since I just didn't have enough time to address the issues raised, but I have since had a bit more free time, and have addressed the problems and have resubmitted the article for Featured List status. I would very much appreciate if you could give the article another look and let me know what you think on its new FLC page. Thanks! Drewcifer 05:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Gain his voice
On pepper tree
Hardened swallow whole hose
Real muse and she
Its fairy dust of the first order, but there is nothing wrong with that.
Ceoil
22:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
MBV Album no 3. Thats what.
Ceoil
09:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Are you interested in collaborating again sometime soon on Zen Arcade? (I reckon with work it might be a GA). Also, I'm looking to expand Metal Circus or New Day Rising sometime soon if you're interested. CloudNine 20:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you are listed as Wikipedia:One featured article per quarter for this article, so thought you'd like to know I've GA reviewed it and placed it on hold. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 04:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Hm. The argument that you used limited sources is odd, and the other issues seemed minor. Plus now the sources issue would undoubtedly be brought up at FAC if you take it there. Unfortunately, neither book is readable from Amazon or Google Books either, or else I would have recommended that you take a few token references from them. Oh well; it's nice the reviewer is trying to access the books himself, because it won't really hurt the article even if isn't really necessary. -- Brandt Luke Zorn 05:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you think that Siamese Dream (and all the other Smashing Pumpkins album articles, for that matter) really need outtakes sections? I argued for them during the FAC of Adore, but now I'm not really liking them. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 00:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
That's bad news. I probably won't be able to get it: $40 would be about 8 weeks of chores, and I'm not really eager to spend all that on one book. Do you know anyone who owns it who could scan it?
Also, have you heard about this? Billy went to find the original Siamese Dream twins, but I don't think anything became of it and his intentions were never made clear. I figure it'd be worth mentioning, but I thought I'd ask you about it first. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 06:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Nine Inch Nails WikiProject. There's alot of NIN-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help me get this project of the ground and a few Nine Inch Nails pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! Drewcifer 10:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Yeah, that article is a project I've been putting off for a long time for some reason. (Although expanding The Breeders will help with expanding the article). I think I'll expand Lovering first (possibly to FA status) and then work on Deal's article. CloudNine ( talk) 23:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I nominated Rock Steady (album) as a featured article candidate a month ago. It had two supports and just got an oppose for copyediting issues. From the comment, I'm assuming that the issue extends to more than just the points listed, so I was wondering if you might be able to look through the article. 17Drew ( talk) 08:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I think I've made all of the changes you recommended at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rock Steady (album). The main reason for the Songs section was because of a comment at the first FAC for Love. Angel. Music. Baby., which was the only FAC I had fail. I think you're right about the duplicate information though. I added the section for Rock Steady (album) to use as much information as is available since there are fewer sources since the album's older, but on the same note, it meant that what information there was often did get repeated.
I made some of the bulleted suggestions to the article itself and then userfied the article at User:17Drew/Rock Steady since merging the Songs section was too much for one edit. The information from the Songs section is now merged into the Composition and Sales and impact sections ( diff). Let me know if this was what you had in mind and if I should move it to the actual article. 17Drew 05:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd love to do In Utero. Then there's also "Heart-Shaped Box", which we never really started. Any thing would be fine though, really. What else were you thinking of? -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 10:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I do not need to take the article through GAR to delist it. Read WP:GAR. It says If you find an article that you suspect should be delisted, but aren't certain, then you can ask other editors to reassess it here. Well, no, I don't "suspect" it should be delisted, I'm certain it should be delisted, and I will delist it unless this problem is resolved. The policy states, Leave a message on the article talk page detailing any remaining problems. Allow time for other editors to respond. If the article still does not meet the criteria, it can be delisted. Nobody has responded to the fundamental problems and all attempts at fixing it have been reverted without discussion. Once it is delisted, the discussion process can begin as to how to fix it and bring it up to GA standards once again. FCYTravis ( talk) 09:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi. You recently removed a substantial amount of relevant and researched information from the above article without explaining why, either in an edit summary (blank) or by posting to Talk:David Bowie. If you would like to discuss why you believe the info should be removed, please post there with valid comments. In the meantime, your edit has been reverted. Please do not repeat the edit until you have entered into consensus-building to establish the validity of your change. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 12:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll give some feedback, but it'll be very picky. Up to you. LuciferMorgan ( talk) 15:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Wesley, what is this?
Did you actually read that section before you deleted it? It's not POV. It's a statement of the major points of the theory - with sourced rebuttals. It was intentionally written not to be "this happened, this happened, Kurt was murdered". It's written as "Grant says this, but other media investigated it and said this". It's the same model used by 9/11 conspiracy theories. -- ChrisB ( talk) 03:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I am sorry about the ordeal with Alice in Chains, and I see your point. I suppose I can't argue with someone with an english major either.
Thank you,
Skeeker [ Talk 01:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for putting that list together; made for interesting reading (esp. the overwhelming focus on artists rather than albums or songs). The new list definitely has some surprises; the article on David Lovering is longer than that of indie rock for example. CloudNine ( talk) 16:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've put the Radiohead article up for a peer review, and would welcome your opinions on it. Thanks. Atlantik ( talk) 21:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Hadn't realised I'd come off that aggressive, and for that I apologise. Like I say, let me know which points you need developing, and I'll be happy to look up some sources. As to the situation regarding the nationality, I'm not being aggressive but I am asserting our policies. Hiding T 12:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
In a rush, supposed to be working, but I can source a quote where Bilinda discusses Googe's lack of role on the album, something about the time it would have taken to explain what Kevin wanted made it easier to do himself. There's also a quote somewhere about 1990 being devoted to basslines only, although how true that is I don't know, and I think I've got something on the tinnitus, I'm sure I have something about Shields seeing a doctor and it was to do with their loud volume. Shields has also been ribbed as a hypochondriac by fellow band members. I'll try and dig it up unless you've read all this before? It's from old interviews. Hiding T 10:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Tinnitus, it's not exactly tinnitus, but here's the quote, from 1992, touring Loveless:
“ | The last time I went to the doctor he said I can't listen to loud music anymore."
Deaf, too. "Yeah, I still have good hearing, but it's a lot less than it used to be. I get too much enjoyment out of blasting my head off and it's taken its toll. Apparently, it's common. In 10 years' time, because of the Walkman generation, 50 percent of people will be walking around with hearing problems." "We've all got ear problems," says Bilinda. "Yeah," nods Kevin. "When you have your eardrum burst by feedback it's frightening. It happens quite easily. When you're onstage in front of all the speakers and you get microphone feedback, it's incredible. You literally lose your balance and feel sick. But I understand that and I just like to know exactly what's wrong with me. |
” |
To me that contrasts with the article which states Concerned friends and band members suggested this was as a result of the unusually loud volumes MBV played at their gigs: "Ill-informed hysteria" according to Shields.
Regarding the Brian Eno quote that the article sources from the press release, Melody Maker attribute it to a lecture he gave: And it won them acclaim from Brian Eno, who, in a lecture at New York's Museum Of Modern Art, described it as "the vaguest piece of music ever to get into the charts". If Steve Reich or Glenn Branca had been responsible for it, he continued, they would have been given an award by the classical music establishment. Melody Maker, December 1990 "Symphonic Chaos".
I also have a rather amusing snippet on the Soon remix where Melody Maker trash it. Can't source the basslines for 1990 as yet, dunno where I put that. Hiding T 11:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll review it too if you want. I've read it over a few times, but haven't really disassembled it for a review. I can try to get that done by the end of today. On another note, would you (or anyone else that you think would be willing) take a look at Niandra Lades and Usually Just a T-Shirt? It is not long and wouldn't take up too much of your time. I'm really displeased with the backlog at GAC. It kind of puts me off to writing another article because I know it will take forever to get through the process. Regards, NSR77 T C 20:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll get to the magee quote later, but what exactly does 'Loveless was largely recorded in mono sound' mean? Ceoil ( talk) 01:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
The man says "This video is unavailable" Ceoil ( talk) 05:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
one, two, 3, 4. Ceoil ( talk) 12:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I've seen some strange things in my time, but fuck me; U2 + Arcade Fire - Love Will Tear Us Apart Again + accordian + fiddle? Ceoil ( talk) 12:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Spent the last half hr watching The Spangle Maker on utube. Is liz frazier hot, or is it just me? Ceoil ( talk) 14:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thought you might be interested in the nomination for deletion of the punk metal article. Thundermaster367 Thundermaster's Talk 13:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Your serial deletions of my edit to the R.E.M. (band) are apparently some sort of power-trip on your part. If you continue, I will bring the matter up to as many arbitration committees and admins as I feel necessary. J.R. Hercules 16:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
^ lol. Yeah, Bill Berry seems to be an elusive fellow, almost as elusive as Michael Stipe's hair. Can you think of any Berry-era notable performances or years when the band was touring heavily? I might be able to find a fansite or something like that with appropriate photos and mail them a request. - Phorque ( talk) 08:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Do you wish me to deliver it? xihix( talk) 00:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure about you, but they look right to me... xihix( talk) 21:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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00:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, would you please talk some sense into User:Demantos. He is trying to merge Godsmack discography with Godsmack. Godsmack has enough music to warrent a seperate article for discography, and any substantially successful band has one on wikipedia. Please comment on his talk page, and comment here.
Thank you,
Skeeker [ Talk 01:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd be glad to help on the weekend, but right now I'm literally swamped with homework and studying and fun stuff like that. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 06:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
GA passed, congrats. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 06:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I just now added a sample of "Soon", but I haven't filled out a description of the song and I won't be able to until later today. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 14:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, I'll need all i can get based on the articles' size. I do have a few things to say;
That's all for now. M3tal H3ad ( talk) 02:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Wesley. I'd love to talk about Scottish music with you - you seem interested in some parts of the scene. APKH ( talk) 13:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. The main problem with the article is gathering enough quotes to make sure the correct information is written in the correct series of events. Thanks again! NSR77 T C 16:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Feel free to take a look at Flea whenever you have some spare time. I managed to dig up an awesome picture of him and Kurt from 1992 when the Chili Peppers were on tour with Nirvana. NSR77 T C 02:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I saw it several years ago (when I used to do a whole bunch of shit) and it really spoke to me. Thanks for reminding me about the Rolling Stone article. I actually have that issue and can't believe I didn't use it. There's a bunch of tiny things that still need to be added to the article. R.E.M is your next project? NSR77 T C 00:26, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd like you opinion here on whether "umbrella term" should be on the template. Inhumer ( talk) 05:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Illness has prevented me going to the library, but I'm hoping to get there before the end of Jan. I don't recall MM doind stars, I'm sure that was just NME. I'll check when I hit the library. Hiding T 14:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Wesley, You reverted my edits to the lede of Wilco. Wikipedia policy is that reverting is a serious measure, to be mainly used to combat vandalism. As well, other editors are allowed to edit articles, even if it is your favourite article...as the tagline goes, " If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly...by others, do not submit it." I have been working on a lot of ledes lately, and there are two trends. Some are super-super short ("Band X was formed in 1999. They released 3 albums"), and some are too long. Nazamo ( talk) 17:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Nice. I'm definitely going to restart work on Kim Deal soon (and I plan to start the Pixies reunion tour article soon), so the magazine will prove helpful with both. CloudNine ( talk) 19:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
By Ian Christie. Do you happen to own this book by any chance? I think the Metallica article could use a bigger variety book/magazine sources M3tal H3ad ( talk) 03:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Hiya Wes, how goes it? I'm busy improving Deftones at the moment and wondered if you'd whiz by the talk page and assign it an importance for the alternative wikiproject? I'm just not sure myself where they would fall. - Phorque ( talk) 12:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
You have a valid point that 'Rhapsody online' may not be a valid source, but there are few more respected sources than BBC and Guardian. What do you think? Personally, I don't think the band are either Post Punk or Post Punk Revival, coming from a UK perspective. PPR seems to be a label that is applied more liberally stateside. Best wishes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wardroad ( talk • contribs) 17:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for dropping that in. I figured the sourcing was good, but I didn't want to stick my neck out with the issue given the nature of the debate so far. I'm looking to archive the talk page after Christmas in the hope it might move things on. Hiding T 17:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey, you did a great job cleaning up Oasis's page, please help with Liam's page too. Writer1400 ( talk) 22:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar - it was greatly appreciated. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 22:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I just got home to find my sister watching Hairspray. I'll definitely watch it when she's done. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 03:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Yay! Congrats to you and Ceoil for literally 99.9% of the whole thing. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 00:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I can't start anything today, because my family's driving home from Arizona and I won't have internet for most of the day. But I should be able to tomorrow. -- Brandt Luke Zorn ( talk) 13:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! LuciferMorgan recommended you as one of the users to review the article Hybrid Theory which is currently undergoing a second peer review and might soon become a featured article. With your help and scrutiny on the article, that goal might just become true. If there is anything, please reply on my talk page. Thanks! (SUDUSER) 85 06:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I've always been under the impression that the band Talking Heads, are alternative rock—or at least "proto-alternative", if you will. Their style of music surely fits this category, and they've had quite a large influence on many alternative bands; as well as the genre as a whole. Do you have an opinion on this issue, or know of any sources that describe them as alternative? Grim ( talk) 00:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
As much as I like the guy, this cannot be compared to this. Ceoil ( talk) 02:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Im so pissed off with betacommand, its just not funny. Content vs janitors? When we are disrespted with templates like this, I feel, angry, hurt, used. Tindersticks time, I guess. Ceoil ( talk) 01:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Is that beer still on offer? Its back to the cocteau twins for me bty! Life is too short for the Tinersticks! Have a good christmas... Ceoil ( talk) 23:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I really feel your condensing of the Black Dossier article goes far beyond the Summary style recommendations, I have posted a message to the discussion section of this article asking for a vote on the matter 89.101.242.183 ( talk) 23:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I seriously disagree with Bad Brains being removed as an influence. You say it isn't sound? Expand, explain more clearly? If you've heard their records, or know about the influence they had, I'm surprised you would remove them as an influence.-- 128.59.143.41 ( talk) 10:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Has nothing to do with the article? The article mentions everyone from Gang of Four to the Pixies, from Redd Kross to Dino Jr as an influence. I don't see why you are making an exception to Bad Brains... I think you have to do better than that. But I will fix it, so that it fits better.-- 24.238.91.82 ( talk) 17:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I trimmed it down, tried to make it fit better. I hope this is an acceptable compromise, that both keeps the flow of the article and adds, rather than detracts from it.-- 24.238.91.82 ( talk) 17:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you reverted my edit on the Earth Two article saying that it was unecessary. I have to say, I disagree. I'll refer to this from comic book:
“ | American comic books have become closely associated with the superhero tradition. In the United Kingdom, the term comic book is used to refer to American comic books by their readers and collectors, while the general populace would likely consider a comic book a hardcover book collecting comics stories.[1][2] The analogous term in the UK is a comic, short for comic paper or comic magazine. | ” |
Since the term comic book means something different in Britain, and probably in Japan as well. It seems appropriate to link to the proper article. In this case since the article deals with an aspect of super-hero comics, the American comic book article seems to be the better of the two options. Stephen Day ( talk) 03:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Gimme a few minutes. And you are welcome to use that thing any time. Creation records time again! Ceoil ( talk) 11:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Got that Spin article in the post today; should prove helpful. Also, I've added a Musical style section to the Dinosaur Jr article; any particular thoughts on what song would best exemplify the Dinosaur style? CloudNine ( talk) 11:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I would have to say that bias towards alternative rock articles is inevitable with the good work of this project that you're a major participant in. It's slightly ironic - in terms of Wikipedia rock articles, quality non-alternative rock articles are the 'alternative' to the norm of great quality featured alt-rock articles. I like many genres of music beyond alternative rock and indeed rock in general, and I think it's sad that some non-alt-rock stuff is being neglected. For example, Traffic is a much poorer article than the individual Smashing Pumpkins song " Today", yet this shouldn't really be the case. Also see my failed GA nomination for Family (band) earlier this year on the talk page there. I'd like to go about making the article for a band like Traffic a featured article, but I wouldn't really know how. I've tried for FAC with King Crimson but couldn't proceed past GA. I also have concerns that an article I got to GA status earlier, Out of Reach, uses opinion pieces masquerading as reliable sources.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 09:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Please use them both. - Dudesleeper · Talk 14:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)