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I'll check PADS link - you might be right. Again, content of article must be verifiable, all editors have the right to question accuracy and verifiability of the content in a neutral point of view - here are two shortcuts you need to be familiar with to be a successful editor WP:RS and WP:NPOV Mrhorseracer ( talk) 03:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
9ball - your not making any sense and I'm wasting my time with you on this. Take a break, I am Mrhorseracer ( talk) 14:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Cueball, you seems to have link envy. That not how Wiki works. Again, my point is that there are better ways to show Singers vocal files without having to add additional external links, just to your club's site. If we all did what you are doing, any Wiki article word quickly become cumbersome and poorly constructed. So I will be pursing a better way. Sorry you disagree. You might be seeing some new, experienced Senior Wiki editor activity. Oh,no response needed. I'm off to Maywood.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 18:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Cue, In order to avoid a spat, suggest that we reference the existing sites/links that have quality vocals and not add additional links like you did on 13 April. You are duplicating - I'll fix it for you.
Second the PADS does have photos of Singers, which makes it a content relevant. This will be added back.
Oh, use of "M", minor edits are typically for spelling and other non-controversial items. Some editors use minor edits in an attempt to hide content changes - this generally doesn't work.
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Mrhorseracer (
talk)
02:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Cue, you make a good point on PADS and I'll be the first to admit it is thin on content, but it does provide visual context with other ancient breeds. Certainly not the best website. I'll think about your comment. Again, any editor can improve the article. Your last comment is irrelevant - quit trying to be an expert - you have no credentials.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 13:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Cue, Hearing is easy, researching and understanding vocalization and documenting is a whole another animal that has only been thinly researched. Glad we had this discussion, I'll add the latest Singer vocalization study, some time from the additional experts that you are not aware of.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 16:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Cue, Alas, you are confusing, the difference between a link and reference. If your website has acutal verifiable(preferably peer reviewed) content, by all means you should reference your independent and unique research. Again, putting multiple links (not a reference) to an existing website is poor technique - I'll improve the site your mistake--
Mrhorseracer (
talk)
13:23, 19 April 2010 (UTC).
Cue, You got me thinking and I bet (you love to bet don't you?) you will agree with this solution. Why not put the sound file (you pick) in the common area of Wiki and link to it? Cleaner, simpler - just like the photos. Oh, and if you don't like this solution off to arbitration we go.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrhorseracer ( talk • contribs) 17:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Cueball. You failed to respond to my proposed solution that is much cleaner and certainly more neutral. So again, the following possible resolution to improve the article. Option 1. add a sound file to the common area and link to it. You can pick the sound file. Readers can hear a Singer without migrating out of Wiki to a website Option 2. We simply state (like I posted previously) where sound files reside (on the multiple websites) with no link to any particular site. Option 3, we gum up the entire site with redundant links to existing website that have sound files. My vote is option 1.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 17:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Cueball. Please respond to my suggestion.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 01:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Cueball. Please respond to my suggestion - simply pick an option or state none of the above and I'll pursue it from there. Also arbitration with an independent editor is not a threat - it is a way to develop a solution-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 18:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
...for your help with the article New Guinea Singing Dog!
Hy, I wanted your opinion on whether I should just go on and publish the new version. -- Inugami-bargho ( talk) 18:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll need to look, bit confused here. I hope this is a turning point for all of us, too. We can all get along now that we all understand the rules and how collaboration works. The does need more content, but we should go slowly, build consensus. -- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 02:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Hy could you please check whether the article now has the appropriate external links?-- Inugami-bargho ( talk) 05:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
cue -it is a tough call on whether to add this citation or not. In this case I would add, because of the source. This is just like confirming UFOs... Mrhorseracer ( talk) 12:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Hy, I tried to contact you via E-Mail but I just got a returned message. Did you already manage to send the permission to Wikimedia Commons?-- Inugami-bargho ( talk) 19:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I was interested to read where you said
"Alan wilton himself told us that the dna markers of Dingo's and Singers are unique enough that he can differentiate them from being pure or hybrid. He stated that he could only tell us if a Au Dingo or singer have been hybridized with another dog breed. He further stated that the only mix he could not be certain of was a AU Dingo crossed with a Singer. That sounds like pretty strong evidence that the dna of the two dingo's are the same."
Can you get him to test Basenjis, Canaan Dogs, Telomians, and so on? Would he be able to tell if they are Canis lupus dingo or Canis lupus familiaris, and then publish the results? As far as I know, this has not been done yet, and if we had this information, we could sort all the dog breeds as familiaris or C.l.dingo if he would publish the results. This would be a great advance in the understanding of dogs, in my opinion, and would be as worthy as your plans to find more NGSDs, as well as quite a bit cheaper and easier! :) Chrisrus ( talk) 03:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Chrisrus, Oh I know. It's the best news. we've been waiting for this for over 20 years. I'm going to see if I can obtain a hard copy of the full study.osm20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldsingerman20 ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi Tomcue, I was just wondering whether you might be able to make some changes in the photos in the NGSD article(the ones on the text page)? Sure would appreciate it. osm20 Oldsingerman20 ( talk) 20:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Wayyyy back in April, you embedded a comment on my user page that I never saw. I just found it and moved it to my talk page User_talk:Elf#tomcue_notehere. Do you still have the vaguest memory, after all this time, of what you were going to ask? If so, you can respond under that note on my talk page. Elf | Talk 04:12, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
On the subject of the New Guinea Singing Dog's origin, are you a Papuan or Austronesian? Chrisrus ( talk) 00:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Chrisrus, I live in the states (IL) and was the co-founder of NGSDI with oldsingerman. We parted ways last December. I am specifically involved with the conservation of the NGSD and have the rights to the NGSDI website and it's contents. I have NGSD's with me constantly so have lots of hands on experience with them. Tomcue2 ( talk) 05:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
No, I mean, yes, that's nice to know about you and we should talk, but no, I was asking for your opinion on the matter of how they or their ancestor arrived on the Island, with the original Papuans, or later with te arrival there of the Austronesian people? Chrisrus ( talk) 06:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I have not studied the history of the humans involved enough to form an opinion but have studied the Dingo some and believe that both the AU Dingo and the NGSD were at one time the same being. I formed this opinion based solely on the physical characteristics and traits of the two and before this latest paper by Dr. Alan Wilton was released where he now believes that the NGSD and Dingo pre-date the end of the ice age and back to the days when PNG and AU were land locked. The evolution of other species has shown that a smaller land mass nets a smaller animal which helps to explain the size difference between the Dingo and NGSD today. The dna markers of the two are nearly identicle and closer to the wolf than any other canid on earth. Tomcue2 ( talk) 07:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear about your falling out with OSM. I regret now ever having asked about the Pennsylvania dogs and I suspect you wish I hadn't as well. We could delete the entire section on the topic on the NGSD discussion page on WP:NOTAFORUM grounds alone, but would you be ok with that? I wouldn't want to delete anyone's contribution there without their permission. Chrisrus ( talk) 18:32, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Not a problem Chrisrus. I had no problem giving you an update and don't be afraid to ask questions in the future. Go ahead and remove the entire topic. I normally would just sit back in situations like this but OSM has a problem with ever being wrong and he goes out of his way to try to discredit anyone who disagrees with his opinions. Tomcue2 ( talk) 20:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added to the page
New Guinea Singing Dog do not comply with our
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I'll check PADS link - you might be right. Again, content of article must be verifiable, all editors have the right to question accuracy and verifiability of the content in a neutral point of view - here are two shortcuts you need to be familiar with to be a successful editor WP:RS and WP:NPOV Mrhorseracer ( talk) 03:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
9ball - your not making any sense and I'm wasting my time with you on this. Take a break, I am Mrhorseracer ( talk) 14:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Cueball, you seems to have link envy. That not how Wiki works. Again, my point is that there are better ways to show Singers vocal files without having to add additional external links, just to your club's site. If we all did what you are doing, any Wiki article word quickly become cumbersome and poorly constructed. So I will be pursing a better way. Sorry you disagree. You might be seeing some new, experienced Senior Wiki editor activity. Oh,no response needed. I'm off to Maywood.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 18:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Cue, In order to avoid a spat, suggest that we reference the existing sites/links that have quality vocals and not add additional links like you did on 13 April. You are duplicating - I'll fix it for you.
Second the PADS does have photos of Singers, which makes it a content relevant. This will be added back.
Oh, use of "M", minor edits are typically for spelling and other non-controversial items. Some editors use minor edits in an attempt to hide content changes - this generally doesn't work.
--
Mrhorseracer (
talk)
02:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Cue, you make a good point on PADS and I'll be the first to admit it is thin on content, but it does provide visual context with other ancient breeds. Certainly not the best website. I'll think about your comment. Again, any editor can improve the article. Your last comment is irrelevant - quit trying to be an expert - you have no credentials.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 13:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Cue, Hearing is easy, researching and understanding vocalization and documenting is a whole another animal that has only been thinly researched. Glad we had this discussion, I'll add the latest Singer vocalization study, some time from the additional experts that you are not aware of.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 16:43, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Cue, Alas, you are confusing, the difference between a link and reference. If your website has acutal verifiable(preferably peer reviewed) content, by all means you should reference your independent and unique research. Again, putting multiple links (not a reference) to an existing website is poor technique - I'll improve the site your mistake--
Mrhorseracer (
talk)
13:23, 19 April 2010 (UTC).
Cue, You got me thinking and I bet (you love to bet don't you?) you will agree with this solution. Why not put the sound file (you pick) in the common area of Wiki and link to it? Cleaner, simpler - just like the photos. Oh, and if you don't like this solution off to arbitration we go.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrhorseracer ( talk • contribs) 17:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Cueball. You failed to respond to my proposed solution that is much cleaner and certainly more neutral. So again, the following possible resolution to improve the article. Option 1. add a sound file to the common area and link to it. You can pick the sound file. Readers can hear a Singer without migrating out of Wiki to a website Option 2. We simply state (like I posted previously) where sound files reside (on the multiple websites) with no link to any particular site. Option 3, we gum up the entire site with redundant links to existing website that have sound files. My vote is option 1.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 17:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Cueball. Please respond to my suggestion.-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 01:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Cueball. Please respond to my suggestion - simply pick an option or state none of the above and I'll pursue it from there. Also arbitration with an independent editor is not a threat - it is a way to develop a solution-- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 18:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
...for your help with the article New Guinea Singing Dog!
Hy, I wanted your opinion on whether I should just go on and publish the new version. -- Inugami-bargho ( talk) 18:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll need to look, bit confused here. I hope this is a turning point for all of us, too. We can all get along now that we all understand the rules and how collaboration works. The does need more content, but we should go slowly, build consensus. -- Mrhorseracer ( talk) 02:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Hy could you please check whether the article now has the appropriate external links?-- Inugami-bargho ( talk) 05:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
cue -it is a tough call on whether to add this citation or not. In this case I would add, because of the source. This is just like confirming UFOs... Mrhorseracer ( talk) 12:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Hy, I tried to contact you via E-Mail but I just got a returned message. Did you already manage to send the permission to Wikimedia Commons?-- Inugami-bargho ( talk) 19:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I was interested to read where you said
"Alan wilton himself told us that the dna markers of Dingo's and Singers are unique enough that he can differentiate them from being pure or hybrid. He stated that he could only tell us if a Au Dingo or singer have been hybridized with another dog breed. He further stated that the only mix he could not be certain of was a AU Dingo crossed with a Singer. That sounds like pretty strong evidence that the dna of the two dingo's are the same."
Can you get him to test Basenjis, Canaan Dogs, Telomians, and so on? Would he be able to tell if they are Canis lupus dingo or Canis lupus familiaris, and then publish the results? As far as I know, this has not been done yet, and if we had this information, we could sort all the dog breeds as familiaris or C.l.dingo if he would publish the results. This would be a great advance in the understanding of dogs, in my opinion, and would be as worthy as your plans to find more NGSDs, as well as quite a bit cheaper and easier! :) Chrisrus ( talk) 03:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Chrisrus, Oh I know. It's the best news. we've been waiting for this for over 20 years. I'm going to see if I can obtain a hard copy of the full study.osm20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldsingerman20 ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi Tomcue, I was just wondering whether you might be able to make some changes in the photos in the NGSD article(the ones on the text page)? Sure would appreciate it. osm20 Oldsingerman20 ( talk) 20:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Wayyyy back in April, you embedded a comment on my user page that I never saw. I just found it and moved it to my talk page User_talk:Elf#tomcue_notehere. Do you still have the vaguest memory, after all this time, of what you were going to ask? If so, you can respond under that note on my talk page. Elf | Talk 04:12, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
On the subject of the New Guinea Singing Dog's origin, are you a Papuan or Austronesian? Chrisrus ( talk) 00:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Chrisrus, I live in the states (IL) and was the co-founder of NGSDI with oldsingerman. We parted ways last December. I am specifically involved with the conservation of the NGSD and have the rights to the NGSDI website and it's contents. I have NGSD's with me constantly so have lots of hands on experience with them. Tomcue2 ( talk) 05:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
No, I mean, yes, that's nice to know about you and we should talk, but no, I was asking for your opinion on the matter of how they or their ancestor arrived on the Island, with the original Papuans, or later with te arrival there of the Austronesian people? Chrisrus ( talk) 06:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I have not studied the history of the humans involved enough to form an opinion but have studied the Dingo some and believe that both the AU Dingo and the NGSD were at one time the same being. I formed this opinion based solely on the physical characteristics and traits of the two and before this latest paper by Dr. Alan Wilton was released where he now believes that the NGSD and Dingo pre-date the end of the ice age and back to the days when PNG and AU were land locked. The evolution of other species has shown that a smaller land mass nets a smaller animal which helps to explain the size difference between the Dingo and NGSD today. The dna markers of the two are nearly identicle and closer to the wolf than any other canid on earth. Tomcue2 ( talk) 07:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear about your falling out with OSM. I regret now ever having asked about the Pennsylvania dogs and I suspect you wish I hadn't as well. We could delete the entire section on the topic on the NGSD discussion page on WP:NOTAFORUM grounds alone, but would you be ok with that? I wouldn't want to delete anyone's contribution there without their permission. Chrisrus ( talk) 18:32, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Not a problem Chrisrus. I had no problem giving you an update and don't be afraid to ask questions in the future. Go ahead and remove the entire topic. I normally would just sit back in situations like this but OSM has a problem with ever being wrong and he goes out of his way to try to discredit anyone who disagrees with his opinions. Tomcue2 ( talk) 20:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)