Hi Tifego, and thanks for being one of the few voices of sanity editing the UCR article. I stumbled upon that whole mess while I was doing unrelated cat work on UC-related articles. The funny thing is, it's the first college/university article I've encountered that has a negative POV. Most of the ones I've seen go on and on about how "prestigious" and "distinguished" the school is, and about how this or that famous person went there...
Yep, I think the 909 guy is probably a sock of UCRGrad. If not, he's a troll/vandal who showed up at the right time. Either way, it's an abusive account created in bad faith to disrupt the article. Whether or not 909 is UCRGrad, the account should be blocked for simple trolling, so going the RFI route is the best way IMO. szyslak ( t, c, e) 08:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
I too believe 909er is a sawkpuppet of UCRGrad. In addition, a simple search on google revealed a lot of bias from users under the same handle "UCRGrad" - coincidence? Here is the link http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/archive/index.php/t-149891-p-2.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pimpclinton ( talk • contribs) .
I'm new to editing wikipedia articles. Thank you for your work on the UCR article. It's still a complete mess, but it's very helpful to have someone not associated with the school editing the article too. I'm rather concerned with UCRGrad and his apparent use of sockpuppets. In fact, from reading the collegeconfidential thread that pimpclinton pointed out, it really felt like he set up a completely unbelievable story on one handle just to bash UCR on his UCRGrad handle. Are there any safeguards in wikipedia that could prevent such heavyhanded bias? Dandanxu 20:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Tifego, thank you for your time and effort on the UCR article. For what it's worth, please note that Insert-Belltower recently added a photo of an overweight girl, emphasising that she was in a sorority [4] (with the obvious intent being to cast a certain image of what UCR's sorority population looks like, disregarding the irrelevance of such a discussion in an encyclopedic article). The image was later removed and added by BeerDrinker [5]. Noteworthy is the fact that this is BeerDrinker's very first edit on WP. 71.110.253.193 00:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Tifego, I departed from this debate in the past right as you were beginning your participation in it, and I never got the chance to thank you for your continuing attention to this problem. I submitted the RfC under the assumption that the considerable bias in the article would be obvious to everyone, but I didn't imagine that UCRGrad's POV-pushing agenda, sockpuppetry, and other malfeasances would become obvious to so many as well. I guess back then people just weren't interested in involving themselves as more than casual readers, and I got a bit discouraged. Anyways, if anyone wants to start a RfC against UCRGrad, I'd be glad to second it. I had actually suggested it to my advocate, but I didn't get a response, so I assumed it wasn't the best idea for whatever reason. A request for arbitration or some sort of administrative intervention is probably also a good idea, since the debate has raged long enough and has already gone through quite a few Wikipedia processes (Advocate, Third Opinion & RfC by me, and now WP:RFCU & WP:RFI). I actually believe that UCRGrad isn't stubborn, but rather just devoid of any integrity. He's perfectly willing to change his points and debate tactics as long as they serve his needs, but refuses to acknowledge any good points made against his arguments. At around that instant, a putative sockpuppet leaps out of the woodwork and proclaims that "(UCRGrad) took the time to respond to all of your complaints, yet you really didn't respond to his," nevermind what the reality was. Or makes an ad hominem: circumstantial accusation. Or throws a tantrum over perceived uncivility. Hypocritical, of course, coinsidering his current behaviour. -- DtEW 08:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for the confusion, but I meant that I created the RfC for the article "UC Riverside". No RfC was ever started for "UCRGrad" as I did not receive supportive feedback about this proposed action from my advocate. I assumed that the lack of support implied that I was taking it too personal, turning it away from the goal of addressing the bias in content (I guess the advocate was still asumming good faith on UCRGrad's part) and turning it into a personal attack. One other thing to note is my observation that UCRGrad/sockpuppets? have mananged to defeat other debaters with shrill accusations of civility violations, nevermind what they do themselves. This works because the vast majority of Wikipedia participants are participating in good faith and do try very hard to adhere to Wikipedia standards of conduct. Once assused, they probably feel that they have weakened their case and basically give up from due to their perceived exacerbation of what they now realize is an uphill battle. Don't let that sort of thing discourage you at all. -- DtEW 18:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
How are the discussions on UCR coming along? I'm not really interested in that article, so I haven't been following the discussions, but let me know if you need any help. I appreciate your efforts in solving these conflicts. Aucaman Talk 06:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
As I have noted on the discussion page over there, I don't think debating with UCRGrad is worth the effort. As much as I'd like to believe that the Wikipedia guiding concept of users discussing to reach concensus works, it only works for reconciling misunderstandings between intellectually honest individuals. If a slimeball is bent on introducing bias, you will expend twice the effort just to elucidate all his subtle slurs and misrepresentations. Then you will "debate" with him, wasting three times as much effort to dismiss his non-sequiters, pin down his evasive statements, correct him on his misinterpretations, and generally a lot of to-do to point out the obvious. But of course, the sheer volume of debate will serve to the slimeball's interest by muddying the point much further for the casual observer. Even assuming you manifest this superhuman level of dedication, in the end somebody (casual observer? sockpuppet?) will remark that its just one opinion vs. another and all your hard work is reduced to square one. Even in the off-chance you beat the slimeball into submission on a certain point, he will just introduce more bias in two or more areas. I think the only productive way to go is to establish his status as a slimeball and get him banned from participation. Again, IMHO. -- DtEW 03:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I would also point out that there is an outstanding RfCU on suspected sockpuppets which has not yet been addressed. The end of the one-week window in which edits by the suspected sockpuppets have occurred is quickly approaching, so I think it is becoming increasingly-urgent that this RfCU be looked into. 71.110.253.193 13:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Apparently 909er, who may or may not be UCRGrad, just decided to become a userpage vandal: [6]. You think it's getting to be time for an RFC? Maybe even an RFAr? szyslak ( t, c, e) 06:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I added a few things to get this started, but don't have time right now to finish this. Hopefully people supporting the RFC will help out with adding evidence or sorting out the sections. – Tifego (t) 06:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Btw, if you all look at http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/forumdisplay.php?f=519 , you can see that UCRGrad posted under numerous different ideas, and most of his threads had to be locked. As he has done here, he often got the names and arguments confused, making it obvious who was doing it all. TheRegicider 07:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, just noticed the link was already posted. Glad someone else noticed. TheRegicider 07:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
The only reason I've even spent time of this article is because I know how agonizing the college decision is. We cannot allow one idiot to warp the minds of an entire incoming freshman class. TheRegicider 07:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[7] is an edit I found particularly egregious; I'm not sure what the most appropriate place to categorize this (if any) on the RFC is. Sharqi 08:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to confirm and be a part of this. I'm not too familiar with all this so I didn't know how to do it. Clearly his reverts have an extreme bias, your examples are all very telling TheRegicider 07:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Again, I'm kind of new, so what exactly are we attempting to do? Get him banned? Ping his IP? How are we coming on everything and if you need me to do anything, let me know. TheRegicider 18:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to confirm and add my support for this. Thank you for putting it together, Tifego.
Dandan
20:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Clearly this JokerSmoker is just UCRGrad with another name. What are the chanes of a complete stranger rushing in to add more hate crimes to a highly contested area of the article on his first edit?
We really gotta do something about all this, it's getting depressing. I've about lost my faith in Wikipedia. It's supposed to be this great democratic entity, but it somehow allows one tool to run the entire thing. How is it possible that he rules this entire article? It doesn't matter how hard everyone tries, how many reverts, nothing happens. I've been editing this article for nearly 2 months, and it's still almost exactly the same as it was when I started---if not worse. It's one guy, how is he doing all this?
How close are we to getting rid of him? Today the last day to submit a SID to these schools, an entire freshman class is making their decision bassed on this faulty, biased and horrific information. I don't even know what to say. TheRegicider 19:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone might want to add something to the sockpuppetry evidence page about JokerSmoker. (UCRGrad may be watching changes to that page, but I'm not sure that matters.) Also, what do people think about UnblockingTau? Am I wrong to think he is probably UCRGrad? I'm 100% sure that 909er is UCRGrad, but I'm starting to wonder about the others; perhaps some of them are meatpuppets, or sockpuppets of someone else? – Tifego (t) 00:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow, what a coincidence, the checkuser was completed within about 10 minutes of my comment above (by Mackensen, see here). He also blocked the sockpuppets. As the puppetmasters, Insert-Belltower and UCRGrad are the only two who weren't blocked. – Tifego (t) 00:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what that all means. Translate? How much closer are we to getting rid of him entirely?
TheRegicider
02:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright, well I appreciate all your work. I am going to attempt to get rid of the StudentsReview stat because it's clearly not a reputable stat. Also given their tendancy for Sock puppets, it's likely that they submitted negative reviews to taint it. I'm going to need everyone's help, so if they revert it can you guys back me? TheRegicider 04:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
what happened to all the stuff we'd compiled? TheRegicider 07:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
But there still is the problem of these two individuals warring over the consensus of everyone else. While they can't make sockpuppets to do changes, they can certainly use their three reverts a day to disrupt forward progress on the article. Calwatch 06:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I am just being paranoid, but I suspect that Teknosoul02 is a sockpuppet of Insert-Belltower. See
straw man if you find that idea confusing. I know this is not
assuming good faith of Teknosoul02, but there's not much reason remaining to assume good faith of Insert-Belltower or UCRGrad, and you have to admit that fabricating an enemy with easily-refutable arguments (and frequent funny vocabulary errors, and a tendency to yell and disregard Wikipedia policies on civility) would be an awfully smart thing for him to do if he wants to make UCRGrad's case look better without making it look like another pro-UCRGrad sockpuppet has joined in. It's hard to explain why I suspect this, but something about the conversation sounds too scripted and uncharacteristically calm on UCRGrad's part. Also, Teknosoul02 happened to be created merely 4 minutes away from the only edit Insert-Belltower had made to the article for hours.
– Tifego (t) 01:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
SoCalAlum has made it clear that he completely supports Insert-Belltower and UCRGrad.
[8]
[9] Also, these two diffs by Jokersmoker and SoCalAlum make me suspicious:
[10]
[11] Like Jokersmoker (Insert-Belltower's sockpuppet), SoCalAlum also only edited the UCR article, except for that one edit to Canada.
– Tifego (t) 21:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
1) Did anyone noticed when Belltower posted this in his talk points: "This was an excellent suggestion made by one of our colleagues assisting with the editing of this article."
I think that's evidence that they are continuing to work with sockpuppets. Or at least working as a team to edit this article with a specific purpose. Is that evidence enough to report them again? Admission of guilt?
2) Can someone back me up on this revert? It's clearly just another attempt to portray the school badly. The stat isn't at all verified it's just a random quote from a woman. I could go to my professors and get them to estimate some stats, post it on my website, but that would be unethical. It needs to go, and I need some help. TheRegicider 03:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there anyway we can contact people about UCRgrad again? He just revert a weeks work of edits. Decided we should begin citing articles UCR wasn't a part of, like that's appropriate. TheRegicider 01:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I've been away for a couple weeks, and after coming back, it's pretty dismaying to find that many of the previous edits we made were all reversed again. i doubt that any progress whatsoever could be made on the UCR wiki as long as UCRgrad & insert-belltower continue to revert all our efforts and add more "facts" with a highly negative POV. (>_<)! Dandan 02:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
While they didn't go so far as to revert my edits to the UCR article, the quality of their contributions yesterday, even if unbiased in intent (which they were not), should be enough to merit revoking their editing privileges. Please add UCRG's derangment of my work on diversity at UCR and IB's edit "cleaning up" of the entry on ASUCR to the list of incidents illustrating disruptive and unhelpful behaviors on their part. The situation seems to me to require arbitration, as they've both disputed repeated calls for mediation and continually edit the article from obviously biased standpoints.
Anyway, I may be willing to start the RFC, as I am serious about getting the UCR article up to featured status, and I don't see how I can do it with these two continually introducing selective facts without context and otherwise slanting the rhetoric, not to mention their well documented antics on the talk pages. I will give it a week to see how they react to my further edits, then if necessary contact others who share my point of view for this to happen.-- Amerique 00:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Tifego, and thanks for being one of the few voices of sanity editing the UCR article. I stumbled upon that whole mess while I was doing unrelated cat work on UC-related articles. The funny thing is, it's the first college/university article I've encountered that has a negative POV. Most of the ones I've seen go on and on about how "prestigious" and "distinguished" the school is, and about how this or that famous person went there...
Yep, I think the 909 guy is probably a sock of UCRGrad. If not, he's a troll/vandal who showed up at the right time. Either way, it's an abusive account created in bad faith to disrupt the article. Whether or not 909 is UCRGrad, the account should be blocked for simple trolling, so going the RFI route is the best way IMO. szyslak ( t, c, e) 08:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
I too believe 909er is a sawkpuppet of UCRGrad. In addition, a simple search on google revealed a lot of bias from users under the same handle "UCRGrad" - coincidence? Here is the link http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/archive/index.php/t-149891-p-2.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pimpclinton ( talk • contribs) .
I'm new to editing wikipedia articles. Thank you for your work on the UCR article. It's still a complete mess, but it's very helpful to have someone not associated with the school editing the article too. I'm rather concerned with UCRGrad and his apparent use of sockpuppets. In fact, from reading the collegeconfidential thread that pimpclinton pointed out, it really felt like he set up a completely unbelievable story on one handle just to bash UCR on his UCRGrad handle. Are there any safeguards in wikipedia that could prevent such heavyhanded bias? Dandanxu 20:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Tifego, thank you for your time and effort on the UCR article. For what it's worth, please note that Insert-Belltower recently added a photo of an overweight girl, emphasising that she was in a sorority [4] (with the obvious intent being to cast a certain image of what UCR's sorority population looks like, disregarding the irrelevance of such a discussion in an encyclopedic article). The image was later removed and added by BeerDrinker [5]. Noteworthy is the fact that this is BeerDrinker's very first edit on WP. 71.110.253.193 00:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Tifego, I departed from this debate in the past right as you were beginning your participation in it, and I never got the chance to thank you for your continuing attention to this problem. I submitted the RfC under the assumption that the considerable bias in the article would be obvious to everyone, but I didn't imagine that UCRGrad's POV-pushing agenda, sockpuppetry, and other malfeasances would become obvious to so many as well. I guess back then people just weren't interested in involving themselves as more than casual readers, and I got a bit discouraged. Anyways, if anyone wants to start a RfC against UCRGrad, I'd be glad to second it. I had actually suggested it to my advocate, but I didn't get a response, so I assumed it wasn't the best idea for whatever reason. A request for arbitration or some sort of administrative intervention is probably also a good idea, since the debate has raged long enough and has already gone through quite a few Wikipedia processes (Advocate, Third Opinion & RfC by me, and now WP:RFCU & WP:RFI). I actually believe that UCRGrad isn't stubborn, but rather just devoid of any integrity. He's perfectly willing to change his points and debate tactics as long as they serve his needs, but refuses to acknowledge any good points made against his arguments. At around that instant, a putative sockpuppet leaps out of the woodwork and proclaims that "(UCRGrad) took the time to respond to all of your complaints, yet you really didn't respond to his," nevermind what the reality was. Or makes an ad hominem: circumstantial accusation. Or throws a tantrum over perceived uncivility. Hypocritical, of course, coinsidering his current behaviour. -- DtEW 08:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for the confusion, but I meant that I created the RfC for the article "UC Riverside". No RfC was ever started for "UCRGrad" as I did not receive supportive feedback about this proposed action from my advocate. I assumed that the lack of support implied that I was taking it too personal, turning it away from the goal of addressing the bias in content (I guess the advocate was still asumming good faith on UCRGrad's part) and turning it into a personal attack. One other thing to note is my observation that UCRGrad/sockpuppets? have mananged to defeat other debaters with shrill accusations of civility violations, nevermind what they do themselves. This works because the vast majority of Wikipedia participants are participating in good faith and do try very hard to adhere to Wikipedia standards of conduct. Once assused, they probably feel that they have weakened their case and basically give up from due to their perceived exacerbation of what they now realize is an uphill battle. Don't let that sort of thing discourage you at all. -- DtEW 18:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
How are the discussions on UCR coming along? I'm not really interested in that article, so I haven't been following the discussions, but let me know if you need any help. I appreciate your efforts in solving these conflicts. Aucaman Talk 06:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
As I have noted on the discussion page over there, I don't think debating with UCRGrad is worth the effort. As much as I'd like to believe that the Wikipedia guiding concept of users discussing to reach concensus works, it only works for reconciling misunderstandings between intellectually honest individuals. If a slimeball is bent on introducing bias, you will expend twice the effort just to elucidate all his subtle slurs and misrepresentations. Then you will "debate" with him, wasting three times as much effort to dismiss his non-sequiters, pin down his evasive statements, correct him on his misinterpretations, and generally a lot of to-do to point out the obvious. But of course, the sheer volume of debate will serve to the slimeball's interest by muddying the point much further for the casual observer. Even assuming you manifest this superhuman level of dedication, in the end somebody (casual observer? sockpuppet?) will remark that its just one opinion vs. another and all your hard work is reduced to square one. Even in the off-chance you beat the slimeball into submission on a certain point, he will just introduce more bias in two or more areas. I think the only productive way to go is to establish his status as a slimeball and get him banned from participation. Again, IMHO. -- DtEW 03:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I would also point out that there is an outstanding RfCU on suspected sockpuppets which has not yet been addressed. The end of the one-week window in which edits by the suspected sockpuppets have occurred is quickly approaching, so I think it is becoming increasingly-urgent that this RfCU be looked into. 71.110.253.193 13:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Apparently 909er, who may or may not be UCRGrad, just decided to become a userpage vandal: [6]. You think it's getting to be time for an RFC? Maybe even an RFAr? szyslak ( t, c, e) 06:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I added a few things to get this started, but don't have time right now to finish this. Hopefully people supporting the RFC will help out with adding evidence or sorting out the sections. – Tifego (t) 06:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Btw, if you all look at http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/forumdisplay.php?f=519 , you can see that UCRGrad posted under numerous different ideas, and most of his threads had to be locked. As he has done here, he often got the names and arguments confused, making it obvious who was doing it all. TheRegicider 07:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, just noticed the link was already posted. Glad someone else noticed. TheRegicider 07:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
The only reason I've even spent time of this article is because I know how agonizing the college decision is. We cannot allow one idiot to warp the minds of an entire incoming freshman class. TheRegicider 07:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[7] is an edit I found particularly egregious; I'm not sure what the most appropriate place to categorize this (if any) on the RFC is. Sharqi 08:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to confirm and be a part of this. I'm not too familiar with all this so I didn't know how to do it. Clearly his reverts have an extreme bias, your examples are all very telling TheRegicider 07:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Again, I'm kind of new, so what exactly are we attempting to do? Get him banned? Ping his IP? How are we coming on everything and if you need me to do anything, let me know. TheRegicider 18:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to confirm and add my support for this. Thank you for putting it together, Tifego.
Dandan
20:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Clearly this JokerSmoker is just UCRGrad with another name. What are the chanes of a complete stranger rushing in to add more hate crimes to a highly contested area of the article on his first edit?
We really gotta do something about all this, it's getting depressing. I've about lost my faith in Wikipedia. It's supposed to be this great democratic entity, but it somehow allows one tool to run the entire thing. How is it possible that he rules this entire article? It doesn't matter how hard everyone tries, how many reverts, nothing happens. I've been editing this article for nearly 2 months, and it's still almost exactly the same as it was when I started---if not worse. It's one guy, how is he doing all this?
How close are we to getting rid of him? Today the last day to submit a SID to these schools, an entire freshman class is making their decision bassed on this faulty, biased and horrific information. I don't even know what to say. TheRegicider 19:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone might want to add something to the sockpuppetry evidence page about JokerSmoker. (UCRGrad may be watching changes to that page, but I'm not sure that matters.) Also, what do people think about UnblockingTau? Am I wrong to think he is probably UCRGrad? I'm 100% sure that 909er is UCRGrad, but I'm starting to wonder about the others; perhaps some of them are meatpuppets, or sockpuppets of someone else? – Tifego (t) 00:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow, what a coincidence, the checkuser was completed within about 10 minutes of my comment above (by Mackensen, see here). He also blocked the sockpuppets. As the puppetmasters, Insert-Belltower and UCRGrad are the only two who weren't blocked. – Tifego (t) 00:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what that all means. Translate? How much closer are we to getting rid of him entirely?
TheRegicider
02:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright, well I appreciate all your work. I am going to attempt to get rid of the StudentsReview stat because it's clearly not a reputable stat. Also given their tendancy for Sock puppets, it's likely that they submitted negative reviews to taint it. I'm going to need everyone's help, so if they revert it can you guys back me? TheRegicider 04:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
what happened to all the stuff we'd compiled? TheRegicider 07:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
But there still is the problem of these two individuals warring over the consensus of everyone else. While they can't make sockpuppets to do changes, they can certainly use their three reverts a day to disrupt forward progress on the article. Calwatch 06:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I am just being paranoid, but I suspect that Teknosoul02 is a sockpuppet of Insert-Belltower. See
straw man if you find that idea confusing. I know this is not
assuming good faith of Teknosoul02, but there's not much reason remaining to assume good faith of Insert-Belltower or UCRGrad, and you have to admit that fabricating an enemy with easily-refutable arguments (and frequent funny vocabulary errors, and a tendency to yell and disregard Wikipedia policies on civility) would be an awfully smart thing for him to do if he wants to make UCRGrad's case look better without making it look like another pro-UCRGrad sockpuppet has joined in. It's hard to explain why I suspect this, but something about the conversation sounds too scripted and uncharacteristically calm on UCRGrad's part. Also, Teknosoul02 happened to be created merely 4 minutes away from the only edit Insert-Belltower had made to the article for hours.
– Tifego (t) 01:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
SoCalAlum has made it clear that he completely supports Insert-Belltower and UCRGrad.
[8]
[9] Also, these two diffs by Jokersmoker and SoCalAlum make me suspicious:
[10]
[11] Like Jokersmoker (Insert-Belltower's sockpuppet), SoCalAlum also only edited the UCR article, except for that one edit to Canada.
– Tifego (t) 21:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
1) Did anyone noticed when Belltower posted this in his talk points: "This was an excellent suggestion made by one of our colleagues assisting with the editing of this article."
I think that's evidence that they are continuing to work with sockpuppets. Or at least working as a team to edit this article with a specific purpose. Is that evidence enough to report them again? Admission of guilt?
2) Can someone back me up on this revert? It's clearly just another attempt to portray the school badly. The stat isn't at all verified it's just a random quote from a woman. I could go to my professors and get them to estimate some stats, post it on my website, but that would be unethical. It needs to go, and I need some help. TheRegicider 03:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there anyway we can contact people about UCRgrad again? He just revert a weeks work of edits. Decided we should begin citing articles UCR wasn't a part of, like that's appropriate. TheRegicider 01:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I've been away for a couple weeks, and after coming back, it's pretty dismaying to find that many of the previous edits we made were all reversed again. i doubt that any progress whatsoever could be made on the UCR wiki as long as UCRgrad & insert-belltower continue to revert all our efforts and add more "facts" with a highly negative POV. (>_<)! Dandan 02:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
While they didn't go so far as to revert my edits to the UCR article, the quality of their contributions yesterday, even if unbiased in intent (which they were not), should be enough to merit revoking their editing privileges. Please add UCRG's derangment of my work on diversity at UCR and IB's edit "cleaning up" of the entry on ASUCR to the list of incidents illustrating disruptive and unhelpful behaviors on their part. The situation seems to me to require arbitration, as they've both disputed repeated calls for mediation and continually edit the article from obviously biased standpoints.
Anyway, I may be willing to start the RFC, as I am serious about getting the UCR article up to featured status, and I don't see how I can do it with these two continually introducing selective facts without context and otherwise slanting the rhetoric, not to mention their well documented antics on the talk pages. I will give it a week to see how they react to my further edits, then if necessary contact others who share my point of view for this to happen.-- Amerique 00:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)