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This project has been proposed for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#Wikipedia:Reviewing, not by me. I thought you should be aware of this. -- Bduke ( talk) 01:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I've moved User:Thomas H. Larsen/Yuser, on fighting linkspam to your userspace for safekeeping.
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My personal opinion is that you're getting closer to something that could be valuable for Wikipedia, but haven't gotten there yet. The basic problem (and I think the second comment on the talk/discussi is along this line) is your statement that "I propose that Wikipedia:Peer review be moved to Wikipedia:Technical review. There problem is that (a) editors see peer reviews as including a review of facts/accuracy/content, and (b) to the extent that peer reviews don't include such a review, the solution is to expand peer review, not split it in two.
The larger issue is exactly how you see a separate factual/accuracy/content review bringing new resources to bear on the problem. Whether reviews are split into two parts or not, the issue still is to (a) interest editors in participating in the review(s), and (b) trying to have (hoping that) some of those editors have technical expertise. Simply opening up a new page in Wikipedia that (somehow) is "expert-friendly" (my words) isn't going to actually make something happen.
Having started out so negatively, let me offer some thoughts on what would help Wikipedia articles. If you check the Editor's index under the topic "Experts", you'll see that there is an acknowledged problem of finding (and retaining) expert editors, but no solution in place. Changing your proposal to something like Wikipedia:Expert review, limiting it to articles where expertise is clearly critical [math and hard(er) sciences, not history or biography or current culture), and then - the rub - actively recruiting experts in those limited areas would (in my opinion) be invaluable. And something not yet done. (Billing this as "expert review" takes it out of competition with all existing reviews, which are essentially "peer" reviews - reviews by editors who have an interest in an area, but where the area either requires limite special expertise or the editors typically are amateurs, not professionals.)
Which brings us to the crux of the matter - finding experts. A couple of thoughts come to mind - looking inside (userboxes, and google searches of user pages), and looking outside - actively soliciting participation by credentialed experts and professional organizations. For the latter, it would make sense to try to get a group of editors to act as intermediaries - making the contacts, and shielding experts from having to learn wiki markup.
Finally, there is the mechanism by which articles get nominated for factual review. I think it's a mistake to model this after existing peer review processes, where what enters the pipeline is what interested editors bring up. Rather, I think expert review ought to be based on the experts that are available, with the Wikipedia editor or editors working in a particular area (say, chemistry) deciding what should be looked at next. Obviously there is a possibility of heavy overlap with existing WikiProjects; that's yet another issue that needs to be thought through. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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This project has been proposed for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#Wikipedia:Reviewing, not by me. I thought you should be aware of this. -- Bduke ( talk) 01:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I've moved User:Thomas H. Larsen/Yuser, on fighting linkspam to your userspace for safekeeping.
The Transhumanist 02:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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My personal opinion is that you're getting closer to something that could be valuable for Wikipedia, but haven't gotten there yet. The basic problem (and I think the second comment on the talk/discussi is along this line) is your statement that "I propose that Wikipedia:Peer review be moved to Wikipedia:Technical review. There problem is that (a) editors see peer reviews as including a review of facts/accuracy/content, and (b) to the extent that peer reviews don't include such a review, the solution is to expand peer review, not split it in two.
The larger issue is exactly how you see a separate factual/accuracy/content review bringing new resources to bear on the problem. Whether reviews are split into two parts or not, the issue still is to (a) interest editors in participating in the review(s), and (b) trying to have (hoping that) some of those editors have technical expertise. Simply opening up a new page in Wikipedia that (somehow) is "expert-friendly" (my words) isn't going to actually make something happen.
Having started out so negatively, let me offer some thoughts on what would help Wikipedia articles. If you check the Editor's index under the topic "Experts", you'll see that there is an acknowledged problem of finding (and retaining) expert editors, but no solution in place. Changing your proposal to something like Wikipedia:Expert review, limiting it to articles where expertise is clearly critical [math and hard(er) sciences, not history or biography or current culture), and then - the rub - actively recruiting experts in those limited areas would (in my opinion) be invaluable. And something not yet done. (Billing this as "expert review" takes it out of competition with all existing reviews, which are essentially "peer" reviews - reviews by editors who have an interest in an area, but where the area either requires limite special expertise or the editors typically are amateurs, not professionals.)
Which brings us to the crux of the matter - finding experts. A couple of thoughts come to mind - looking inside (userboxes, and google searches of user pages), and looking outside - actively soliciting participation by credentialed experts and professional organizations. For the latter, it would make sense to try to get a group of editors to act as intermediaries - making the contacts, and shielding experts from having to learn wiki markup.
Finally, there is the mechanism by which articles get nominated for factual review. I think it's a mistake to model this after existing peer review processes, where what enters the pipeline is what interested editors bring up. Rather, I think expert review ought to be based on the experts that are available, with the Wikipedia editor or editors working in a particular area (say, chemistry) deciding what should be looked at next. Obviously there is a possibility of heavy overlap with existing WikiProjects; that's yet another issue that needs to be thought through. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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