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Do you think User:Rothbardanswer might be User:Mmahoney393 ( Karmaisking)? -- MeUser42 ( talk) 01:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Why not counter the view? Ok, perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps I don't know enough, but it was a *talk* page, not the article itself. I'm not trying to mess up things, I'm trying to contribute with sources that might be relevant or related. And by damned, you can't dispute the notion that social liberalism and anarchism isn't at least somewhat related even if economical liberalism is a different story, it is something you can make a case for, both views cares a lot about freedom and are assosiated with eachother at least in left wing speech even if it might not be in academic language. Now if you did have a look at the link I provided you'd notice that the webpage in question referred to a bunch of books about the subjects so even if the website itself can be considered bias and even if the sources it might even be bias they *are* sources of a view point that is liberal in the sense that it values freedom even if it might not fit the official classical liberalism or social liberalism topic. So, if you still think it was trolling, that is as far as I'm aware the word used to describe intended try to cause harm in a written form in a forum or other website with user generated content then I'd like you to at the very least provide a reply explaining *why* you hold that view, and preferably citing sources about what rules or policies you believe have been violated or sources supporting your view of why you think it is trolling in the first places instead of what at least from my point of view is an direct attempt at curbing my free speech and in fact a editing that by far is more "troll-like" then the content I added in the first place, even if you seem to be a valued wiki member according to the badges on your user page. I haven't claimed that I support the website in question so it's not self promoting, and I swear that it's not intended as an attempt at disrupting Wikipedia activities, and you did not even reply to my user page siting *why* you thought it was trolling meaning that if we are to assume that you're correct about my content addition being harmful then I don't even have the faintest idea about *why* and therefore can't correct my future additions to reflect that. In other words, I can't know how to avoid "trolling" in the future. So, can you please explain this edition? What was wrong with it? Why wasn't it enough to simply add a counter comment? Does it really have no value at all to the topic? (something I assume is your view since you deleted it instead of replying to it) And why don't it have value? I'm probably going to add more questions in reply to whatever you reply with if you choose to reply. If you don't I'll be forced to look into who I can appeal your decision and possible abuse of power. Because the last think I want in my editing history is a editing removed due to a claim of trolling with no supporting evidence or reply to me about why. Now, sorry if I'm a bit... let's say frustrated here and perhaps replying in a stronger wording then what might be advisable. But I do feel strongly about the topic. At any rate have a nice day. I'm looking forward to what's hopfully your reply Luredreier ( talk) 17:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
From GeorgePierBain ( talk) 22:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello, this message is from the person who has been inserting the new section "The Far Right in America" into the article. Needless to say, the IP is not fake. I understand that this back and forth with the editing must be frustrating, and I sincerely apologize. Yes, I am new to Wikipedia, but I wish to do this properly from now on. As for the content of what I have attempted to add, it is accurate - and I will explain why. In the past, groups in the USA that can arguably be described as far-right have met the description given in the current version of the article. Today, any such groups have been marginalized to the point of insignificance. Where any individual lies on the political spectrum in the USA depends primarily on where he or she stands on the relationship between the individual and the state. On this American spectrum, therefore, Fascism is far to the left of mainstream liberals and conservatives. Without the distinction made clear by my section, the article unfairly and innacurately portrays the political views of many people in the United States. If you compare the current versions of the Wikipedia articles "Far-right politics" and "Far-left politics" with a truly objective mind, you will have to see some clear bias. The latter is brief and lacks any mention of the negative aspects of far-left politics, the negative parts of the ideology and of the history. In stark contrast, "Far-right politics" includes genocide, oppression, racism, and xenophobia as essential elements. In fact, these are common elements of far-left politics as well. The article "Far-left politics" does not even include a "History" section! Why is this? As for citations, the general description in "Far-right politics" (contained in the first two paragraphs) includes but one source. And this source is the work of one person who presents his own analysis, something that should not be considered indisputable fact. I can add citations to my own contribution, but they will be just the same; I will have cited the opinion of another who agrees with me. What is very clear is that these two articles must be altered in the interest of fairness and accuracy. I would like to achieve this with anyone whose primary concern is presenting the truth.
GeorgePierBain ( talk) 22:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello again there is an on going discussion about Pospielovsky by an anonymous editor on two different articles here that is what prompted my posting to the reliable sources board. [1] How is it that I might ask your help on the allegations the anon editor is making on the articles talk pages? Example: [2] As the editor is calling everyone under the sun liars. As for your comment about Ayn Rand I tried to contribute to her article here but got banned after a small group of her enemies got into an edit war with me. You can read the ban off of my talk page. [3] Did you know that Spiderman was and or is a partial Ayn Rand influenced character or at least the Steve Ditko part was, but Wiki stated no that can't be in her article. If religions is the worst most destructive thing ever then that standard if applied to atheism has killed allot. If atheists promote that standard then they have to adhere to it. Also crimes and right violations were done to religious people and their property by atheism in the name of atheists causes. LoveMonkey ( talk) 16:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
New message at the article's talk page. [4] Somedifferentstuff ( talk) 16:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Hey TFD,
Just wanted to see if you were planning to make the changes you discussed on the Smithfield Foods talk page about the HSUS Investigation. I'm happy to help write a draft or provide resources as necessary.
Thanks so much for all your help on the article, Kkirkham ( talk) 13:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Barnstar of Humor | |
You made me laugh with this comment. Keep it up! Jethro B 00:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC) |
Thank you! TFD ( talk) 21:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder, I will respond shortly. My name is Mercy11 ( talk) 21:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Do you think User:Rothbardanswer might be User:Mmahoney393 ( Karmaisking)? -- MeUser42 ( talk) 01:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Why not counter the view? Ok, perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps I don't know enough, but it was a *talk* page, not the article itself. I'm not trying to mess up things, I'm trying to contribute with sources that might be relevant or related. And by damned, you can't dispute the notion that social liberalism and anarchism isn't at least somewhat related even if economical liberalism is a different story, it is something you can make a case for, both views cares a lot about freedom and are assosiated with eachother at least in left wing speech even if it might not be in academic language. Now if you did have a look at the link I provided you'd notice that the webpage in question referred to a bunch of books about the subjects so even if the website itself can be considered bias and even if the sources it might even be bias they *are* sources of a view point that is liberal in the sense that it values freedom even if it might not fit the official classical liberalism or social liberalism topic. So, if you still think it was trolling, that is as far as I'm aware the word used to describe intended try to cause harm in a written form in a forum or other website with user generated content then I'd like you to at the very least provide a reply explaining *why* you hold that view, and preferably citing sources about what rules or policies you believe have been violated or sources supporting your view of why you think it is trolling in the first places instead of what at least from my point of view is an direct attempt at curbing my free speech and in fact a editing that by far is more "troll-like" then the content I added in the first place, even if you seem to be a valued wiki member according to the badges on your user page. I haven't claimed that I support the website in question so it's not self promoting, and I swear that it's not intended as an attempt at disrupting Wikipedia activities, and you did not even reply to my user page siting *why* you thought it was trolling meaning that if we are to assume that you're correct about my content addition being harmful then I don't even have the faintest idea about *why* and therefore can't correct my future additions to reflect that. In other words, I can't know how to avoid "trolling" in the future. So, can you please explain this edition? What was wrong with it? Why wasn't it enough to simply add a counter comment? Does it really have no value at all to the topic? (something I assume is your view since you deleted it instead of replying to it) And why don't it have value? I'm probably going to add more questions in reply to whatever you reply with if you choose to reply. If you don't I'll be forced to look into who I can appeal your decision and possible abuse of power. Because the last think I want in my editing history is a editing removed due to a claim of trolling with no supporting evidence or reply to me about why. Now, sorry if I'm a bit... let's say frustrated here and perhaps replying in a stronger wording then what might be advisable. But I do feel strongly about the topic. At any rate have a nice day. I'm looking forward to what's hopfully your reply Luredreier ( talk) 17:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
From GeorgePierBain ( talk) 22:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello, this message is from the person who has been inserting the new section "The Far Right in America" into the article. Needless to say, the IP is not fake. I understand that this back and forth with the editing must be frustrating, and I sincerely apologize. Yes, I am new to Wikipedia, but I wish to do this properly from now on. As for the content of what I have attempted to add, it is accurate - and I will explain why. In the past, groups in the USA that can arguably be described as far-right have met the description given in the current version of the article. Today, any such groups have been marginalized to the point of insignificance. Where any individual lies on the political spectrum in the USA depends primarily on where he or she stands on the relationship between the individual and the state. On this American spectrum, therefore, Fascism is far to the left of mainstream liberals and conservatives. Without the distinction made clear by my section, the article unfairly and innacurately portrays the political views of many people in the United States. If you compare the current versions of the Wikipedia articles "Far-right politics" and "Far-left politics" with a truly objective mind, you will have to see some clear bias. The latter is brief and lacks any mention of the negative aspects of far-left politics, the negative parts of the ideology and of the history. In stark contrast, "Far-right politics" includes genocide, oppression, racism, and xenophobia as essential elements. In fact, these are common elements of far-left politics as well. The article "Far-left politics" does not even include a "History" section! Why is this? As for citations, the general description in "Far-right politics" (contained in the first two paragraphs) includes but one source. And this source is the work of one person who presents his own analysis, something that should not be considered indisputable fact. I can add citations to my own contribution, but they will be just the same; I will have cited the opinion of another who agrees with me. What is very clear is that these two articles must be altered in the interest of fairness and accuracy. I would like to achieve this with anyone whose primary concern is presenting the truth.
GeorgePierBain ( talk) 22:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello again there is an on going discussion about Pospielovsky by an anonymous editor on two different articles here that is what prompted my posting to the reliable sources board. [1] How is it that I might ask your help on the allegations the anon editor is making on the articles talk pages? Example: [2] As the editor is calling everyone under the sun liars. As for your comment about Ayn Rand I tried to contribute to her article here but got banned after a small group of her enemies got into an edit war with me. You can read the ban off of my talk page. [3] Did you know that Spiderman was and or is a partial Ayn Rand influenced character or at least the Steve Ditko part was, but Wiki stated no that can't be in her article. If religions is the worst most destructive thing ever then that standard if applied to atheism has killed allot. If atheists promote that standard then they have to adhere to it. Also crimes and right violations were done to religious people and their property by atheism in the name of atheists causes. LoveMonkey ( talk) 16:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
New message at the article's talk page. [4] Somedifferentstuff ( talk) 16:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Hey TFD,
Just wanted to see if you were planning to make the changes you discussed on the Smithfield Foods talk page about the HSUS Investigation. I'm happy to help write a draft or provide resources as necessary.
Thanks so much for all your help on the article, Kkirkham ( talk) 13:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Barnstar of Humor | |
You made me laugh with this comment. Keep it up! Jethro B 00:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC) |
Thank you! TFD ( talk) 21:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder, I will respond shortly. My name is Mercy11 ( talk) 21:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.