His Grace The Duke of Waltham
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Greetings, dear Wikipedian. My name is Harold Cartwright, and I am the Duke of Waltham's private secretary. On behalf of the Duke, I should like to welcome you to His Grace's talk page.
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Old discussions are archived with extreme care, even though half of them do not deserve such treatment in the least. But who am I but an underpaid member of the staff, to be judging my boss's gossip. Well, for those interested, the archives are open to the public from 09:00 to 17:00, Mondays to Fridays. Try not to come on Fridays, though, because I close early.
Please don't leave any litter while you are here. There is a dustbin in the corner (where the old Signposts end up, and I couldn't care less about recycling).
By the way, thank you for not smoking.
Enjoy the rest of your day(s), if you must.
No need to tell the IP editor he's breaking the formatting! Chiswick Chap ( talk) 19:00, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Monsieur le duc, it has been too long since we last spoke and certainly years since we worked together to standardise the succession boxes across Wikipedia, a project that I think we can both agree has bee largely a success. Indeed, from what I can tell on the group page, it seems our fair standardisation project may be heading for merger into a larger group. However, I do not write to you about the good old days. Nay, I write concerning a problem I have been having of late with a specific situation involving succession boxes.
Somehow it has come to the attention of a certain user that I enjoy editing and updating succession boxes. They have seemed to now make it their goal in life to not only revert my changes and additions to succession boxes, but to delete them entirely from some pages. I fear that even now the user is reading my comments on this page, Wikihounding me even though their hounding has a basis in Wikipedia policy. The issue at stake are succession boxes that show neither predecessors nor successors, instances such as stand-alone pretenders whose claims are subsequently abandoned, or title-holders who, for whatever reason, are unique in their line of succession. Many of the deleted boxes have been present for many years – even since the beginning – but are now being challenged. I fear searching and editing more such articles just because I feel that my edits will not only be reverted, but that the box will be deleted entirely.
I know we dealt long ago with a fight between ourselves and the people who favoured large collapsable infoboxes for succession lists. That fight seems to have resolved itself in a manner that both parties could keep their boxes. But have we ever discussed the issue of succession boxes that don't, strictly speaking, depict successions? Instances of one-off nobles and royals whose presumably successive titles never ended up being used in such a manner? If so, I'd love to be pointed to the documentation for it so that we can finally put this matter to rest. Currently, my hounder will delete any succession box that does not show a predecessor and/or successor. Their latest victim was just Empress Matilda, Lady of the English. He deleted the box stating that the title was non-successive. Granted it had its own issues, but he didn't fix the issues, he just deleted the box. I've since corrected the issues and restored it, but this was a case where such a correction was an option.
There is also the added problem I've had with another user regarding pretentious titles. It seems our term "Titles held in pretence" is too anachronistic for some since the term "pretender" did not exist in such a form in the Middle Ages. The user in question (who, to be fair, is highly protective of articles that they have contributed to) does not wish to add titles held in pretence as succession boxes since the term itself is anachronistic. The fact that the idea behind the term is not, in fact, anachronistic is apparently beyond them. I haven't yet thought up a solution to this problem. I see no problem continuing to call them pretenders despite the anachronism, but others may disagree. Do we have a policy regarding pretenders specifically and how to handle their succession boxes?
It has been too long since I regularly edited Wiki articles, but I am deep in research these days and consult Wikipedia regularly for simple clarifications, so I can't avoid it any more. Apparently by trying to improve the succession boxes, I have imperilled many of them, much to my dismay. Do you have any advice, my old friend, to help our project through these times?
Sincerely,
–
Darius von Whaleyland,
Great Khan
of the Barbarian Horde 22:30, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi The Duke of Waltham. Since you've edited one or more of List of current members of the British Privy Council, British Government frontbench and Official Opposition frontbench in the last six months, I'd like to invite you to a discussion about the use of honorifics in those lists. The discussion is happening here, and I look forward to a helpful and robust discussion. DBD 20:55, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Dear sir,
I am sure the Duke will be gratified to learn (if he has not already) that he has, at last, been included in the German Wikipedia, next to the impeccibly named " Turnip Townshend", as fellow bearers of coats of arms containing scallops.
My only question is when this list will be included in our own encyclopedia.
Yours, ‑‑ Yodin T 23:25, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Noting His Grace's presence on this site—very welcome. Please pass this on, Cartwright. Tony (talk) 03:01, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hello! Could you give your opinion on this issue: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization/Guidelines#Lines of succession to thrones, please? -- Editor FIN ( talk) 05:57, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
His Grace's presence is noted. Tony (talk) 15:06, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Just a happy birthday message to you, The Duke of Waltham, from the
Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Lepricavark ( talk) 04:09, 1 January 2017 (UTC) |
Dearest Duke of Waltham,
After a few years in which we heard less from each other and I discovered that coincidence is definitely a better friend seeker, I decided to send you a missive with a request that might convince you to actually do something.
I would like to ask your natural helplessness to send me an archive of the SarcasmSociety. As you are probably suspecting, I would like to enjoy the beautiful conversations and the times in which you and others were, in all probability, smarter than now.
What say you?
P.S. Also, I'm considering reuniting some of the court on reddit. What say you?
Alin (
talk) 10:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Happy Birthday, The Duke of Waltham, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a nice day!-- 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 ( 𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 00:44, 1 January 2021 (UTC) |
May I also wish His Grace the best for His birthday.
Tony
(talk) 03:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
I enjoyed your comment from a mere 14 years ago, so please share a Sunday evening virtual Felafel (with Siracha sauce) in Melbourne Australia. (And as you are a Peer, a dram of Drambuie.
Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Image:User.gif:_unintended_bias?#This_entire_thread_is_retarded. "If you find yourself horribly offended by such a thing (a 14 pixel image of questioned race/sex/copyright) , you really need to grow some thicker skin. Jtrainor (talk) 2:55 pm, 30 March 2008, Sunday (14 years, 7 months, 25 days ago) (UTC+11) I don't think your suggestion is biologically feasible, Jtrainor, although nothing should surprise us with modern science... :-D Waltham, The Duke of W Wakelamp d[@-@]b ( talk) 08:33, 20 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Hungry? Here's a little snack for you on your birthday, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day, The Duke of Waltham! -- Ezra Cricket ( talk) 00:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
Happy birthday! Hi The Duke of Waltham! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy birthday! Enjoy this special day! The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
At least I hope you're coming back. Tony (talk) 09:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
His Grace The Duke of Waltham
|
Greetings, dear Wikipedian. My name is Harold Cartwright, and I am the Duke of Waltham's private secretary. On behalf of the Duke, I should like to welcome you to His Grace's talk page.
Please note that His Grace follows a policy of keeping conversations unfragmented; in other words, an exchange that begins in one talk page should continue in that same talk page, in order to keep the discussion whole and intelligible. If a conversation has begun in a venue other than this, you need not answer here; you can rest assured that I shall notify the Duke about any new messages (through use of a designated watchlist).
Old discussions are archived with extreme care, even though half of them do not deserve such treatment in the least. But who am I but an underpaid member of the staff, to be judging my boss's gossip. Well, for those interested, the archives are open to the public from 09:00 to 17:00, Mondays to Fridays. Try not to come on Fridays, though, because I close early.
Please don't leave any litter while you are here. There is a dustbin in the corner (where the old Signposts end up, and I couldn't care less about recycling).
By the way, thank you for not smoking.
Enjoy the rest of your day(s), if you must.
No need to tell the IP editor he's breaking the formatting! Chiswick Chap ( talk) 19:00, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Monsieur le duc, it has been too long since we last spoke and certainly years since we worked together to standardise the succession boxes across Wikipedia, a project that I think we can both agree has bee largely a success. Indeed, from what I can tell on the group page, it seems our fair standardisation project may be heading for merger into a larger group. However, I do not write to you about the good old days. Nay, I write concerning a problem I have been having of late with a specific situation involving succession boxes.
Somehow it has come to the attention of a certain user that I enjoy editing and updating succession boxes. They have seemed to now make it their goal in life to not only revert my changes and additions to succession boxes, but to delete them entirely from some pages. I fear that even now the user is reading my comments on this page, Wikihounding me even though their hounding has a basis in Wikipedia policy. The issue at stake are succession boxes that show neither predecessors nor successors, instances such as stand-alone pretenders whose claims are subsequently abandoned, or title-holders who, for whatever reason, are unique in their line of succession. Many of the deleted boxes have been present for many years – even since the beginning – but are now being challenged. I fear searching and editing more such articles just because I feel that my edits will not only be reverted, but that the box will be deleted entirely.
I know we dealt long ago with a fight between ourselves and the people who favoured large collapsable infoboxes for succession lists. That fight seems to have resolved itself in a manner that both parties could keep their boxes. But have we ever discussed the issue of succession boxes that don't, strictly speaking, depict successions? Instances of one-off nobles and royals whose presumably successive titles never ended up being used in such a manner? If so, I'd love to be pointed to the documentation for it so that we can finally put this matter to rest. Currently, my hounder will delete any succession box that does not show a predecessor and/or successor. Their latest victim was just Empress Matilda, Lady of the English. He deleted the box stating that the title was non-successive. Granted it had its own issues, but he didn't fix the issues, he just deleted the box. I've since corrected the issues and restored it, but this was a case where such a correction was an option.
There is also the added problem I've had with another user regarding pretentious titles. It seems our term "Titles held in pretence" is too anachronistic for some since the term "pretender" did not exist in such a form in the Middle Ages. The user in question (who, to be fair, is highly protective of articles that they have contributed to) does not wish to add titles held in pretence as succession boxes since the term itself is anachronistic. The fact that the idea behind the term is not, in fact, anachronistic is apparently beyond them. I haven't yet thought up a solution to this problem. I see no problem continuing to call them pretenders despite the anachronism, but others may disagree. Do we have a policy regarding pretenders specifically and how to handle their succession boxes?
It has been too long since I regularly edited Wiki articles, but I am deep in research these days and consult Wikipedia regularly for simple clarifications, so I can't avoid it any more. Apparently by trying to improve the succession boxes, I have imperilled many of them, much to my dismay. Do you have any advice, my old friend, to help our project through these times?
Sincerely,
–
Darius von Whaleyland,
Great Khan
of the Barbarian Horde 22:30, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi The Duke of Waltham. Since you've edited one or more of List of current members of the British Privy Council, British Government frontbench and Official Opposition frontbench in the last six months, I'd like to invite you to a discussion about the use of honorifics in those lists. The discussion is happening here, and I look forward to a helpful and robust discussion. DBD 20:55, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Dear sir,
I am sure the Duke will be gratified to learn (if he has not already) that he has, at last, been included in the German Wikipedia, next to the impeccibly named " Turnip Townshend", as fellow bearers of coats of arms containing scallops.
My only question is when this list will be included in our own encyclopedia.
Yours, ‑‑ Yodin T 23:25, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Noting His Grace's presence on this site—very welcome. Please pass this on, Cartwright. Tony (talk) 03:01, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current
Arbitration Committee election. The
Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia
arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose
site bans,
topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The
arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to
review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on
the voting page. For the Election committee,
MediaWiki message delivery (
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Hello! Could you give your opinion on this issue: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization/Guidelines#Lines of succession to thrones, please? -- Editor FIN ( talk) 05:57, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
His Grace's presence is noted. Tony (talk) 15:06, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Just a happy birthday message to you, The Duke of Waltham, from the
Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Lepricavark ( talk) 04:09, 1 January 2017 (UTC) |
Dearest Duke of Waltham,
After a few years in which we heard less from each other and I discovered that coincidence is definitely a better friend seeker, I decided to send you a missive with a request that might convince you to actually do something.
I would like to ask your natural helplessness to send me an archive of the SarcasmSociety. As you are probably suspecting, I would like to enjoy the beautiful conversations and the times in which you and others were, in all probability, smarter than now.
What say you?
P.S. Also, I'm considering reuniting some of the court on reddit. What say you?
Alin (
talk) 10:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Happy Birthday, The Duke of Waltham, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a nice day!-- 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 ( 𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 00:44, 1 January 2021 (UTC) |
May I also wish His Grace the best for His birthday.
Tony
(talk) 03:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
I enjoyed your comment from a mere 14 years ago, so please share a Sunday evening virtual Felafel (with Siracha sauce) in Melbourne Australia. (And as you are a Peer, a dram of Drambuie.
Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Image:User.gif:_unintended_bias?#This_entire_thread_is_retarded. "If you find yourself horribly offended by such a thing (a 14 pixel image of questioned race/sex/copyright) , you really need to grow some thicker skin. Jtrainor (talk) 2:55 pm, 30 March 2008, Sunday (14 years, 7 months, 25 days ago) (UTC+11) I don't think your suggestion is biologically feasible, Jtrainor, although nothing should surprise us with modern science... :-D Waltham, The Duke of W Wakelamp d[@-@]b ( talk) 08:33, 20 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Hungry? Here's a little snack for you on your birthday, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day, The Duke of Waltham! -- Ezra Cricket ( talk) 00:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
Happy birthday! Hi The Duke of Waltham! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy birthday! Enjoy this special day! The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
At least I hope you're coming back. Tony (talk) 09:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)