How about Year 0? It takes no time at all to learn, as Tangverse says above, let's give people some credit. I think up a new dating system and you follow what I say? OK? It's easy. Ergo, you have to do it. Let's all go for Year 0. We're not resistant to new information. Twat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.160.61.222 ( talk) 19:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
@ Mudwater:Next release is another breakout vinyl LP from 30 Trips Box : 4/25/77 (with fantastic cover art!). http://www.recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/8343 .
Tried out the sandbox feature for Bear's Choice new section so you can feedback IYL. — Tangverse ( talk) 14:25, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Greetings, Tangverse! You sometimes add notes to Grateful Dead album articles, for songs in the tracks listings, indicating where else they were released and other information. Thanks for that, I think it enhances those articles. But, I just figured out that the way you're doing it can cause an issue with the footnote numbering. The way you're doing it, the footnote numbers in the article that follow the track listing notes skip a number for each note, and then they don't correspond to the footnote numbers in the References section. For example, take a look at this version of "From the Mars Hotel". That has three footnotes that are after the track listing notes. In the article, the footnote numbers are 32, 33, and 34. But those correspond to the footnotes in the References section that are numbered 29, 30, and 31. (Try clicking on one of them and you'll see.) Apparently this problem can be avoided by adding the track listing notes with different markup. Instead of using "group=lower-alpha" tags, you can use the "efn" template, and instead of "reflist" use "notelist". That's explained at Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: predefined groups. It took me a while to figure out what they're talking about, but if you look at this diff, I've changed the markup to keep the same notes, with the same appearance, but fix the footnote numbering issue. So, I suggest using the "efn" template and "notelist" going forward. Also, feel free to go back and adjust existing ones, if you want to. I might do some more of that if I get a chance. Thanks! — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
ref group=lower-alpha name=
vs
efn|name=
Yup, I see it!
Impressive catch. Whew (arcana find)!
I'm wondering if this "GROUP=" code was demarcated at some point by a wiki revision? Because I took that code from another music page - most likely in the Dead group - and it's been around a long time. But given that I have come across it on other pages as well, either lots of people are using it incorrectly OR there was a change, because now it seems like there isn't a case where it DOES work (or what it IS used for). I'm not sure, yet, but if the problem is that big, a tool/script may need creation. It appears to be the correct code if you look at
Template:Ref, but I see no mention of a cascading issue for other REFs caused by GROUPS. My guess is that Explanatory Foot Note is a superseding tag.
It would be the REF tag that causes the problem (and/or REFLIST), and anyway the EFN tag is cleaner (cleaner code rule-of-thumb being better). The GROUP tag should effect only the group, but the REF tags are still referring to the REF-call, in the bottom section. I'll start on revisions as I can. Tangverse ( talk) 04:09, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
The code I used would seem to be allowed according to Ref-nesting help pages (e.g. Help:Footnotes#Footnotes:_groups, https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Reflist#List-defined_references, and a couple others); as long as a particular nested REF section has a GROUP name, then the REFLIST at the bottom of the page shouldn't be able to "see" any notes for which it doesn't know the GROUP NAME. Nonetheless, it IS numbering them, and I couldn't find a tag that makes it stop, so it's a mystery. Anyway, note that there isn't a problem on any of the pages I've looked at where there are no more REFs below the Track Listing. The code works on a page like that. These are probably most of them (of the ones I edited). So there's that. - Tangverse ( talk) 06:31, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
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As per the rewrite of Weir Here, Bear's Choice, Without a Net, etc. (thank you for previewing those for me). Happy to discuss the edits/rationale:
Also rolled back an edit on
Grateful_Dead_(album). "Extant" is grammatically correct. On the same page I had written "was their best seller at the time" in the intro. For the sake of encyclopedic brevity, I provided too little and it was rightly edited. It should have said something like "remained their best-seller until overtaken by Skeletons from the Closet". Will add later or you can if you like.
On
Aoxomoxoa, might be better to save the more examined details for the body of the text. If you check my sand, these are the new intro and main text-body sections, including more REFs, terminology links, quotes, and expanded recording/release info + these changes:
Parts of previous albums were recorded there. The band had moved to Marin by this time.
He was temporary, not permanent; Kreutzmann says he was never a real member.
It was initiated with Alligator and Dark Star, prior to this album
Kind of a stretch, those are mushrooms - part of the theme of rebirth and cycle of life. And there's much more to it. - Tangverse ( talk) 08:47, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Mudwater (
talk ·
contribs) > For
Workingman's Dead rewrite.
Along with adding new info/REFs and dividing body into two category headings, these edits & rationale>>
The studio album ended up being amortized by Live/Dead (it sold better and had been cheaper to make), so it may not be accurate to describe it this way with certainty, especially since their books were in disarray.
The discovery of the extent of Lenny Hart's malfeasance happened in March or April when Sam Cutler went over the books, according to several of the books/researchers, with questions first occurring by Ramrod when they returned from the late Jan shows (Workingman's being recorded in Feb with mixing March 9-16). Recollections vary by a few weeks on when he skipped town (probably April), so I would hesitate to state this with encyclopedic authority on the Workingman's page. Will move it to American Beauty page.
This has been repeated in some stray discographies (with no REFs/Images) but isn't accurate. Struck.
note redundancy
Sentence structure: multiple modals
Mistaken adjective
Change dead link to REF
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Tangverse (
talk)
07:01, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Mudwater (
talk ·
contribs) > New edits for
American Beauty page so you can overlook, and also to make the changes easier for you to see. Improve readability, sharpen factuality, increase the data/knowledge, fix a few grammatical errors; while remaining concise/encyclopedic.
Simplify grammar>Adverb doesn't correctly modify object. Let's try:
"The album continued the
folk rock and
country music style of their previous album,
Workingman's Dead, released earlier in the year."
"within the album" - is unnecessary; it's already the page topic. "the songs...also sees" - is grammatically incorrect (double plurals). "Jerry Garcia play pedal steel guitar in place of lead guitar" - on half the songs, yes, but as written, implies the entirety. "The songs contain lyrics written by Robert Hunter" - Hunter had written the entirety for the previous album but that's not the case on Beauty, with lyrics also by Lesh, Weir, McKernan. +This info might be better-placed in the text body
Chart is stated twice
Quote needed explanatory expansion
Change to - "also contributed piano to Candyman. Lagin subsequently sat in with the band on occasion from 1970 to 1974".
Tangverse ( talk) 12:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Mudwater ( talk · contribs) - To make them easier to see; list of edits to Anthem of the Sun.
condensed to>
The band entered American Studios in Los Angeles in November 1967 with David Hassinger, the producer of their eponymous debut album. However, determined to make a more complicated recorded work than their debut release as well as attempt to translate their live sound into the studio, the band and Hassinger changed locations to New York City. By December they had gone through two other studios, Century Sound and Olmstead Studios (both "highly regarded eight-track studios")
condensed to>
Returning to San Francisco's Coast Recorders, the band recruited their soundman, Dan Healy, to help produce. In between studio sessions, the band also began recording their live dates.
"tracks" struck
to>
Constanten developed piano pieces that sounded like three gamelan orchestras playing at once and created effects by setting a spinning gyroscope on the piano soundboard. Likewise, the rest of the band used a large assortment of instruments in the studio to augment the live tracks that were the base of each song, including kazoos, crotales, harpsichord, timpani, trumpet, and a guiro.
cumbersome and not really accurate; changed to>
Jerry Garcia's longtime friend and songwriting partner, Robert Hunter, had made his first lyrical contributions to the band the previous year for "Dark Star". He then added words to the Lesh/Pigpen composition "Alligator", on this album.
(non-breaking space) characters: Those should immediately follow, and immediately precede, text characters. For example, September 1967 – March 1968
will result in "September 1967 – March 1968" but will ensure that there is no line break after the "1967" and before the "–". So the "March 1968" might start the next line, but the "–" won't start the next line, it'll always be after the "1967". Looking at Anthem of the Sun, the non-breaking space in things like August 23, 1968 (see also xxx)
won't do anything, because the line can break on the space in front of it. Not a big deal, but I'd vote for removing those and letting the "see also" start on the next line if that's how it works out. (In general I'm not a big fan of
but most of the time I just leave them as-is if they're there already.) —
Mudwater (
Talk)
15:08, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Mudwater (
talk ·
contribs) - List of
E72 edits. This page has gotten a little loose over time.
Not convinced this really gives any specific info about this album (even if I maybe wrote it?). It's a leftover from a skimpier legacy page
He didn't actually replace him until after the E72 tour, Pig's last. "Hospitalised" uses Brit spelling, which is okay but I'll change it anyway. The books say it was bleeding ulcers (at which point they discovered liver disease) and not hepatitis (that diagnosis came after E72).
Only "One More Saturday Night"; but it was also released as a single under the group name
This sentence sets weirdly. I can't think of a good way to rewrite it either. Why wouldn't they play their normal set, "despite" touring Europe? How is this a culmination? Why aren't the '70 acoustic sets the culmination and this more of a back-to-normal? Kreutzmann - "Playing American folk songs in Europe was less exciting to us than the idea of test driving our old Acid Test vehicles in front of European audiences". Struck?
I'm not sure the meaning can be parsed as written. Maybe "firmly rooted with regional imagery and sentiment"?
I don't think "hit" can be defined in such a way for WIKI purposes
This isn't really an example of what we call stop/start in music, and certainly not in the segue jam (Jerry's beginning lead line could be termed "loping" but either way the description ignores that Weir plays a contrapuntal)
Proper grammar would be>
"Several songs on which he sang lead were retired"
Pigpen never quit the band, he just quit touring. The band, being youthfully innocent as to his medical situation, assumed he would recover (c.f. Lesh, Kreutzmann, McNally). e.g. Phil's quote: "It was agreed that Pig would rejoin the band when he felt up to it."
Long-ass sentence ripe for condensing
Probably out of place, the way it jumps. Who is "dead.net"? Rewrite.
"later" struck
All track dates are known.
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Tangverse (
talk)
02:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
{{spaced ndash}}
template looks like the one to use. Maybe you know where to find this one:(Mudwater post moved to new subject heading for easier threading)> I think the concept is that for a fair use image like the dancing bears logo, there has to be a separate fair use rationale for each article that includes the image. According to this theory, you could go to the image page and add a second {{Non-free use rationale logo}} template that's a lot like the one that's there already, but specifying the name of the second article, i.e. "History of the Grateful Dead, Volume One (Bear's Choice)". — Mudwater ( Talk) 19:28, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Mudwater ( talk · contribs) - post to make Bear's Choice edits clearer.
Highly doubt it received AOR play (maybe on college-station Dead-specific blocks in a much later era). Some FM in the 70s played Truckin and Casey Jones - occasionally, maybe the odd Ripple. Struck.
Mudwater ( talk · contribs) - edits & rationale for Wake of the Flood.
Hello. Hey, check out this page on dead.net, written by Blair Jackson, that talks about Rick Griffin. It has an interesting paragraph about the cover art for Wake of the Flood. Perhaps this can be summarized for the article. And also, here's a page on Tumblr that shows Griffin's original sketch for the front cover. That probably can't be used in the article, but it's kinda cool anyway. I didn't figure this stuff out myself, a friend of mine happened to point it out to me recently. Anyway, feel free to let me know what you think. "P.S." Were you aware of the skull in the cloud? Rotate the album cover counterclockwise 90 degrees to see it. — Mudwater ( Talk) 23:20, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Take a look at this image on a large-enough monitor and see what you think re: hood (esp. around chin and neck). It's fairly evident, I think, on an original copy (vinyl record). "suggestive of the Grim Reaper" - that does seem to be the intent to some extent: Grateful Dead>reaping>grim reaper (though fwiw, perhaps getting beyond the scope of the page). Scythe: yes ("a tool used for cutting crops such as grass or wheat"). The wheat are "stalks". Back cover - yes, I have two original copies on GD records and one pressing has song titles as shown here. On the blank/mistake covers, they added a shrinkwrap sticker with the info. They are both original editions but likely from two different factories. Back then it was more efficient to send a reel/plates and the artwork to both a west coast and east coast plant, or foreign markets, who would master, press and print, rather than ship boxes of completed product. That's why people seek out specific mastering/printings/pressings of, say Led Zeppelin II from a preferred plant. Revelation - I was aware of the Griffin quotation but didn't incorporate it in the text - second guessing myself about adding too much info. But I think what you added looks great; if it were me I might just say "quote from Revelation" with link to the book, rather than "a verse from the New Testament, Revelation 20:13", which could be construed as proselytism by some. Your call. — Tangverse ( talk) 12:08, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Mudwater ( talk · contribs) - edits & rationale for Skeletons from the Closet.
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Mudwater ( talk · contribs) - edits & rationale for Blues for Allah
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Mudwater (
talk ·
contribs) I appreciate any input you may have but specifically this sentence:
"Althea came to be regarded as a Garcia-Hunter classic, and ranked #5 on Stereogum's list of the 10 best Dead songs."
Does it seem kind of random? I like to keep legacy info as much as possible but this page was pretty thin.
—
Tangverse (
talk)
06:17, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Mudwater (
talk ·
contribs) - Am working on a the body for
Reckoning (in
sandbox). Would like to add the cover of For the Faithful... - I have a copy somewhere but apparently not accessibly; maybe you have a photo? BTW, I'm aware of the track template (as used on the recent revision to
Go to Heaven) but choose not to use it because I don't believe it looks as good and is as easy to scan. There are times it works better but IMO it's not as clean and is harder to work with, on these pages.
—
Tangverse (
talk)
06:56, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi Tangverse. Is everything okay? You've been kinda quiet lately. — Mudwater ( Talk) 11:57, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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How about Year 0? It takes no time at all to learn, as Tangverse says above, let's give people some credit. I think up a new dating system and you follow what I say? OK? It's easy. Ergo, you have to do it. Let's all go for Year 0. We're not resistant to new information. Twat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.160.61.222 ( talk) 19:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
@ Mudwater:Next release is another breakout vinyl LP from 30 Trips Box : 4/25/77 (with fantastic cover art!). http://www.recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/8343 .
Tried out the sandbox feature for Bear's Choice new section so you can feedback IYL. — Tangverse ( talk) 14:25, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Greetings, Tangverse! You sometimes add notes to Grateful Dead album articles, for songs in the tracks listings, indicating where else they were released and other information. Thanks for that, I think it enhances those articles. But, I just figured out that the way you're doing it can cause an issue with the footnote numbering. The way you're doing it, the footnote numbers in the article that follow the track listing notes skip a number for each note, and then they don't correspond to the footnote numbers in the References section. For example, take a look at this version of "From the Mars Hotel". That has three footnotes that are after the track listing notes. In the article, the footnote numbers are 32, 33, and 34. But those correspond to the footnotes in the References section that are numbered 29, 30, and 31. (Try clicking on one of them and you'll see.) Apparently this problem can be avoided by adding the track listing notes with different markup. Instead of using "group=lower-alpha" tags, you can use the "efn" template, and instead of "reflist" use "notelist". That's explained at Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: predefined groups. It took me a while to figure out what they're talking about, but if you look at this diff, I've changed the markup to keep the same notes, with the same appearance, but fix the footnote numbering issue. So, I suggest using the "efn" template and "notelist" going forward. Also, feel free to go back and adjust existing ones, if you want to. I might do some more of that if I get a chance. Thanks! — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
ref group=lower-alpha name=
vs
efn|name=
Yup, I see it!
Impressive catch. Whew (arcana find)!
I'm wondering if this "GROUP=" code was demarcated at some point by a wiki revision? Because I took that code from another music page - most likely in the Dead group - and it's been around a long time. But given that I have come across it on other pages as well, either lots of people are using it incorrectly OR there was a change, because now it seems like there isn't a case where it DOES work (or what it IS used for). I'm not sure, yet, but if the problem is that big, a tool/script may need creation. It appears to be the correct code if you look at
Template:Ref, but I see no mention of a cascading issue for other REFs caused by GROUPS. My guess is that Explanatory Foot Note is a superseding tag.
It would be the REF tag that causes the problem (and/or REFLIST), and anyway the EFN tag is cleaner (cleaner code rule-of-thumb being better). The GROUP tag should effect only the group, but the REF tags are still referring to the REF-call, in the bottom section. I'll start on revisions as I can. Tangverse ( talk) 04:09, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
The code I used would seem to be allowed according to Ref-nesting help pages (e.g. Help:Footnotes#Footnotes:_groups, https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Reflist#List-defined_references, and a couple others); as long as a particular nested REF section has a GROUP name, then the REFLIST at the bottom of the page shouldn't be able to "see" any notes for which it doesn't know the GROUP NAME. Nonetheless, it IS numbering them, and I couldn't find a tag that makes it stop, so it's a mystery. Anyway, note that there isn't a problem on any of the pages I've looked at where there are no more REFs below the Track Listing. The code works on a page like that. These are probably most of them (of the ones I edited). So there's that. - Tangverse ( talk) 06:31, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
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Mudwater (
talk ·
contribs) >
As per the rewrite of Weir Here, Bear's Choice, Without a Net, etc. (thank you for previewing those for me). Happy to discuss the edits/rationale:
Also rolled back an edit on
Grateful_Dead_(album). "Extant" is grammatically correct. On the same page I had written "was their best seller at the time" in the intro. For the sake of encyclopedic brevity, I provided too little and it was rightly edited. It should have said something like "remained their best-seller until overtaken by Skeletons from the Closet". Will add later or you can if you like.
On
Aoxomoxoa, might be better to save the more examined details for the body of the text. If you check my sand, these are the new intro and main text-body sections, including more REFs, terminology links, quotes, and expanded recording/release info + these changes:
Parts of previous albums were recorded there. The band had moved to Marin by this time.
He was temporary, not permanent; Kreutzmann says he was never a real member.
It was initiated with Alligator and Dark Star, prior to this album
Kind of a stretch, those are mushrooms - part of the theme of rebirth and cycle of life. And there's much more to it. - Tangverse ( talk) 08:47, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Mudwater (
talk ·
contribs) > For
Workingman's Dead rewrite.
Along with adding new info/REFs and dividing body into two category headings, these edits & rationale>>
The studio album ended up being amortized by Live/Dead (it sold better and had been cheaper to make), so it may not be accurate to describe it this way with certainty, especially since their books were in disarray.
The discovery of the extent of Lenny Hart's malfeasance happened in March or April when Sam Cutler went over the books, according to several of the books/researchers, with questions first occurring by Ramrod when they returned from the late Jan shows (Workingman's being recorded in Feb with mixing March 9-16). Recollections vary by a few weeks on when he skipped town (probably April), so I would hesitate to state this with encyclopedic authority on the Workingman's page. Will move it to American Beauty page.
This has been repeated in some stray discographies (with no REFs/Images) but isn't accurate. Struck.
note redundancy
Sentence structure: multiple modals
Mistaken adjective
Change dead link to REF
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Tangverse (
talk)
07:01, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Mudwater (
talk ·
contribs) > New edits for
American Beauty page so you can overlook, and also to make the changes easier for you to see. Improve readability, sharpen factuality, increase the data/knowledge, fix a few grammatical errors; while remaining concise/encyclopedic.
Simplify grammar>Adverb doesn't correctly modify object. Let's try:
"The album continued the
folk rock and
country music style of their previous album,
Workingman's Dead, released earlier in the year."
"within the album" - is unnecessary; it's already the page topic. "the songs...also sees" - is grammatically incorrect (double plurals). "Jerry Garcia play pedal steel guitar in place of lead guitar" - on half the songs, yes, but as written, implies the entirety. "The songs contain lyrics written by Robert Hunter" - Hunter had written the entirety for the previous album but that's not the case on Beauty, with lyrics also by Lesh, Weir, McKernan. +This info might be better-placed in the text body
Chart is stated twice
Quote needed explanatory expansion
Change to - "also contributed piano to Candyman. Lagin subsequently sat in with the band on occasion from 1970 to 1974".
Tangverse ( talk) 12:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Mudwater ( talk · contribs) - To make them easier to see; list of edits to Anthem of the Sun.
condensed to>
The band entered American Studios in Los Angeles in November 1967 with David Hassinger, the producer of their eponymous debut album. However, determined to make a more complicated recorded work than their debut release as well as attempt to translate their live sound into the studio, the band and Hassinger changed locations to New York City. By December they had gone through two other studios, Century Sound and Olmstead Studios (both "highly regarded eight-track studios")
condensed to>
Returning to San Francisco's Coast Recorders, the band recruited their soundman, Dan Healy, to help produce. In between studio sessions, the band also began recording their live dates.
"tracks" struck
to>
Constanten developed piano pieces that sounded like three gamelan orchestras playing at once and created effects by setting a spinning gyroscope on the piano soundboard. Likewise, the rest of the band used a large assortment of instruments in the studio to augment the live tracks that were the base of each song, including kazoos, crotales, harpsichord, timpani, trumpet, and a guiro.
cumbersome and not really accurate; changed to>
Jerry Garcia's longtime friend and songwriting partner, Robert Hunter, had made his first lyrical contributions to the band the previous year for "Dark Star". He then added words to the Lesh/Pigpen composition "Alligator", on this album.
(non-breaking space) characters: Those should immediately follow, and immediately precede, text characters. For example, September 1967 – March 1968
will result in "September 1967 – March 1968" but will ensure that there is no line break after the "1967" and before the "–". So the "March 1968" might start the next line, but the "–" won't start the next line, it'll always be after the "1967". Looking at Anthem of the Sun, the non-breaking space in things like August 23, 1968 (see also xxx)
won't do anything, because the line can break on the space in front of it. Not a big deal, but I'd vote for removing those and letting the "see also" start on the next line if that's how it works out. (In general I'm not a big fan of
but most of the time I just leave them as-is if they're there already.) —
Mudwater (
Talk)
15:08, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Mudwater (
talk ·
contribs) - List of
E72 edits. This page has gotten a little loose over time.
Not convinced this really gives any specific info about this album (even if I maybe wrote it?). It's a leftover from a skimpier legacy page
He didn't actually replace him until after the E72 tour, Pig's last. "Hospitalised" uses Brit spelling, which is okay but I'll change it anyway. The books say it was bleeding ulcers (at which point they discovered liver disease) and not hepatitis (that diagnosis came after E72).
Only "One More Saturday Night"; but it was also released as a single under the group name
This sentence sets weirdly. I can't think of a good way to rewrite it either. Why wouldn't they play their normal set, "despite" touring Europe? How is this a culmination? Why aren't the '70 acoustic sets the culmination and this more of a back-to-normal? Kreutzmann - "Playing American folk songs in Europe was less exciting to us than the idea of test driving our old Acid Test vehicles in front of European audiences". Struck?
I'm not sure the meaning can be parsed as written. Maybe "firmly rooted with regional imagery and sentiment"?
I don't think "hit" can be defined in such a way for WIKI purposes
This isn't really an example of what we call stop/start in music, and certainly not in the segue jam (Jerry's beginning lead line could be termed "loping" but either way the description ignores that Weir plays a contrapuntal)
Proper grammar would be>
"Several songs on which he sang lead were retired"
Pigpen never quit the band, he just quit touring. The band, being youthfully innocent as to his medical situation, assumed he would recover (c.f. Lesh, Kreutzmann, McNally). e.g. Phil's quote: "It was agreed that Pig would rejoin the band when he felt up to it."
Long-ass sentence ripe for condensing
Probably out of place, the way it jumps. Who is "dead.net"? Rewrite.
"later" struck
All track dates are known.
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Tangverse (
talk)
02:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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template looks like the one to use. Maybe you know where to find this one:(Mudwater post moved to new subject heading for easier threading)> I think the concept is that for a fair use image like the dancing bears logo, there has to be a separate fair use rationale for each article that includes the image. According to this theory, you could go to the image page and add a second {{Non-free use rationale logo}} template that's a lot like the one that's there already, but specifying the name of the second article, i.e. "History of the Grateful Dead, Volume One (Bear's Choice)". — Mudwater ( Talk) 19:28, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Mudwater ( talk · contribs) - post to make Bear's Choice edits clearer.
Highly doubt it received AOR play (maybe on college-station Dead-specific blocks in a much later era). Some FM in the 70s played Truckin and Casey Jones - occasionally, maybe the odd Ripple. Struck.
Mudwater ( talk · contribs) - edits & rationale for Wake of the Flood.
Hello. Hey, check out this page on dead.net, written by Blair Jackson, that talks about Rick Griffin. It has an interesting paragraph about the cover art for Wake of the Flood. Perhaps this can be summarized for the article. And also, here's a page on Tumblr that shows Griffin's original sketch for the front cover. That probably can't be used in the article, but it's kinda cool anyway. I didn't figure this stuff out myself, a friend of mine happened to point it out to me recently. Anyway, feel free to let me know what you think. "P.S." Were you aware of the skull in the cloud? Rotate the album cover counterclockwise 90 degrees to see it. — Mudwater ( Talk) 23:20, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Take a look at this image on a large-enough monitor and see what you think re: hood (esp. around chin and neck). It's fairly evident, I think, on an original copy (vinyl record). "suggestive of the Grim Reaper" - that does seem to be the intent to some extent: Grateful Dead>reaping>grim reaper (though fwiw, perhaps getting beyond the scope of the page). Scythe: yes ("a tool used for cutting crops such as grass or wheat"). The wheat are "stalks". Back cover - yes, I have two original copies on GD records and one pressing has song titles as shown here. On the blank/mistake covers, they added a shrinkwrap sticker with the info. They are both original editions but likely from two different factories. Back then it was more efficient to send a reel/plates and the artwork to both a west coast and east coast plant, or foreign markets, who would master, press and print, rather than ship boxes of completed product. That's why people seek out specific mastering/printings/pressings of, say Led Zeppelin II from a preferred plant. Revelation - I was aware of the Griffin quotation but didn't incorporate it in the text - second guessing myself about adding too much info. But I think what you added looks great; if it were me I might just say "quote from Revelation" with link to the book, rather than "a verse from the New Testament, Revelation 20:13", which could be construed as proselytism by some. Your call. — Tangverse ( talk) 12:08, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Mudwater ( talk · contribs) - edits & rationale for Skeletons from the Closet.
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Mudwater (
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contribs) I appreciate any input you may have but specifically this sentence:
"Althea came to be regarded as a Garcia-Hunter classic, and ranked #5 on Stereogum's list of the 10 best Dead songs."
Does it seem kind of random? I like to keep legacy info as much as possible but this page was pretty thin.
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Tangverse (
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06:17, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Mudwater (
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contribs) - Am working on a the body for
Reckoning (in
sandbox). Would like to add the cover of For the Faithful... - I have a copy somewhere but apparently not accessibly; maybe you have a photo? BTW, I'm aware of the track template (as used on the recent revision to
Go to Heaven) but choose not to use it because I don't believe it looks as good and is as easy to scan. There are times it works better but IMO it's not as clean and is harder to work with, on these pages.
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Tangverse (
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06:56, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi Tangverse. Is everything okay? You've been kinda quiet lately. — Mudwater ( Talk) 11:57, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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