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Wugapodes, in the "most commonly used parameters" section at the top of the page, it includes parameters labelled "date" and "publisher." Should these be "year" and "journal" instead? When I tried using "date" and "publisher" instead of "year" and "journal," the formatting didn't appear to be correct. Also, if you make revisions to this, can you also add the "pin" parameter to the most commonly used section? Thanks so much for your help with this. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 23:07, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
@ Wugapodes: Digital object identifiers are one of the most commonly used permanent identifiers of journal articles. This citation template should include them. -- bender235 ( talk) 22:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
I just added to a draft article a cite to a short law-review comment on the case shortly after it was decided. No author was credited, as is commonly the case for these comments. However, the reference is still showing "{{first}} and {{last}}" Is there a workaround for this? Daniel Case ( talk) 17:43, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
|last=none
option, or just assuming no author if no |last=
is specified, would be reasonable. Does anyone have any thoughts on which to do? --
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she|they|xe)
18:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
|last=
empty is a good option. The lack of an author still gives some indication of an error if you forgot the last name, but doesn't make the output look wonky for readers should that happen. It also addresses the issue of unsigned works. —
Wug·
a·po·des
20:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)@ Wugapodes: It's been bugging me for a while that Bluebook cites lack a way to link back to the first reference to a given source. In print, this is accomplished by "supra 15" or such, but that's of course not an option here with ever-moving citations (absent a change to how the Cite extension works, or maybe some very costly Lua magic). Simply repeating a partial citation works, but is not very user-friendly, especially for anyone reading the article in a format where ctrl+f isn't an option (i.e., inaccessible). It also fails silently if the "head" citation is removed.
To that end, I have created two templates, {{
supra}} and {{
supra footnote}} (the latter with aliases {{
suprafn}} and {{
SupraFn}}). In terms of usage, they are analogous to {{
harvnb}} and {{
sfn}} respectively. In terms of display, they use standard Bluebook format, absent the number after "supra", and instead with that word linked to the appropriate citation. A harv-error highlighter will flag the same way on them as with the standard harv templates.
Template:Bluebook journal/sandbox and
Template:Bluebook website/sandbox contain the changes necessary to make this work, including adding a |hereinafter=
parameter that adds "[Hereinafter X.]" and then sets the ID to {{
BluebookRef|X}}
(an {{
SfnRef}} wrapper), which notches in to the {{
supra}} logic. You can see all of this on display at
Special:Permalink/1147079777. No changes will require anyone to change how they use these templates if they don't want to, and the only breaking change is to citation ID naming, which advanced searches suggest will cause no breakage.
Thoughts? -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 19:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Bluebook journal template. |
|
This template does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||
|
Wugapodes, in the "most commonly used parameters" section at the top of the page, it includes parameters labelled "date" and "publisher." Should these be "year" and "journal" instead? When I tried using "date" and "publisher" instead of "year" and "journal," the formatting didn't appear to be correct. Also, if you make revisions to this, can you also add the "pin" parameter to the most commonly used section? Thanks so much for your help with this. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 23:07, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
@ Wugapodes: Digital object identifiers are one of the most commonly used permanent identifiers of journal articles. This citation template should include them. -- bender235 ( talk) 22:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
I just added to a draft article a cite to a short law-review comment on the case shortly after it was decided. No author was credited, as is commonly the case for these comments. However, the reference is still showing "{{first}} and {{last}}" Is there a workaround for this? Daniel Case ( talk) 17:43, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
|last=none
option, or just assuming no author if no |last=
is specified, would be reasonable. Does anyone have any thoughts on which to do? --
Tamzin
cetacean needed (she|they|xe)
18:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
|last=
empty is a good option. The lack of an author still gives some indication of an error if you forgot the last name, but doesn't make the output look wonky for readers should that happen. It also addresses the issue of unsigned works. —
Wug·
a·po·des
20:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)@ Wugapodes: It's been bugging me for a while that Bluebook cites lack a way to link back to the first reference to a given source. In print, this is accomplished by "supra 15" or such, but that's of course not an option here with ever-moving citations (absent a change to how the Cite extension works, or maybe some very costly Lua magic). Simply repeating a partial citation works, but is not very user-friendly, especially for anyone reading the article in a format where ctrl+f isn't an option (i.e., inaccessible). It also fails silently if the "head" citation is removed.
To that end, I have created two templates, {{
supra}} and {{
supra footnote}} (the latter with aliases {{
suprafn}} and {{
SupraFn}}). In terms of usage, they are analogous to {{
harvnb}} and {{
sfn}} respectively. In terms of display, they use standard Bluebook format, absent the number after "supra", and instead with that word linked to the appropriate citation. A harv-error highlighter will flag the same way on them as with the standard harv templates.
Template:Bluebook journal/sandbox and
Template:Bluebook website/sandbox contain the changes necessary to make this work, including adding a |hereinafter=
parameter that adds "[Hereinafter X.]" and then sets the ID to {{
BluebookRef|X}}
(an {{
SfnRef}} wrapper), which notches in to the {{
supra}} logic. You can see all of this on display at
Special:Permalink/1147079777. No changes will require anyone to change how they use these templates if they don't want to, and the only breaking change is to citation ID naming, which advanced searches suggest will cause no breakage.
Thoughts? -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 19:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)