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Hi T.ruth3130! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. We hope to see you there!
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Hello, and
welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly
reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at
James MacDonald (pastor). Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "
edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the
normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a
consensus on the
talk page.
If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Flapjacktastic ( talk) 06:03, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Flapjactastic, thank you for explaining – I am unfamiliar with edit warring, and clearly less experienced in editorial protocol than you. However, the fact that you have done exactly that while technically avoiding a 3RR violation casts doubt on your premise for communicating as well as the bias behind your edits. Given that the page in question James MacDonald (pastor) is a Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, my objections are: a) inclusion of false information and/or allegations as though they are fact, which have yet to be proven and are severely defaming ( Wikipedia:Defamation), while an investigation is still underway; b) citations from unscrupulous blogs dedicated to personal defamation, whose inclusion gives exposure to those libelous sources and encourages them in their mission; c) inclusion of extraneous negative information, which at the last, seems to violate the spirit of NPOV.
Examples of each with editorial suggestions: a) "Former Harvest members and Elders have over time brought against MacDonald accusations of bullying, authoritarianism and lack of transparency in finances,[25] as well as misappropriation of church funds.[26]"
Revise: Former Harvest members and Elders have brought against MacDonald accusations of bullying, authoritarianism and lack of transparency in finances,[25].
b) "In October 2018, MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit against The Elephant’s Debt[15] bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant, their wives, and journalist Julie Roys.[16]"
Revise: "In October 2018, MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit against bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant, their wives, and journalist Julie Roys."
c) "On January 25, 2019 Chicago radio presenter Mancow Muller, who is a Harvest attender and friend of MacDonald, called for MacDonald to either step down or for the Harvest elder board to remove him.[29]" Extraneous and misleading, while in truth, Mancow is an embittered friend who has sought publicity for his own ratings.
Can we eliminate the three instances above?
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Hi T.ruth3130! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. We hope to see you there!
Delivered by HostBot on behalf of the Teahouse hosts 16:06, 7 February 2017 (UTC) |
Hello, and
welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly
reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at
James MacDonald (pastor). Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "
edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the
normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a
consensus on the
talk page.
If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Flapjacktastic ( talk) 06:03, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Flapjactastic, thank you for explaining – I am unfamiliar with edit warring, and clearly less experienced in editorial protocol than you. However, the fact that you have done exactly that while technically avoiding a 3RR violation casts doubt on your premise for communicating as well as the bias behind your edits. Given that the page in question James MacDonald (pastor) is a Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, my objections are: a) inclusion of false information and/or allegations as though they are fact, which have yet to be proven and are severely defaming ( Wikipedia:Defamation), while an investigation is still underway; b) citations from unscrupulous blogs dedicated to personal defamation, whose inclusion gives exposure to those libelous sources and encourages them in their mission; c) inclusion of extraneous negative information, which at the last, seems to violate the spirit of NPOV.
Examples of each with editorial suggestions: a) "Former Harvest members and Elders have over time brought against MacDonald accusations of bullying, authoritarianism and lack of transparency in finances,[25] as well as misappropriation of church funds.[26]"
Revise: Former Harvest members and Elders have brought against MacDonald accusations of bullying, authoritarianism and lack of transparency in finances,[25].
b) "In October 2018, MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit against The Elephant’s Debt[15] bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant, their wives, and journalist Julie Roys.[16]"
Revise: "In October 2018, MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit against bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant, their wives, and journalist Julie Roys."
c) "On January 25, 2019 Chicago radio presenter Mancow Muller, who is a Harvest attender and friend of MacDonald, called for MacDonald to either step down or for the Harvest elder board to remove him.[29]" Extraneous and misleading, while in truth, Mancow is an embittered friend who has sought publicity for his own ratings.
Can we eliminate the three instances above?