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Hey Sukh!
The references on Maharaja Ranjit Singh's page are not consistent with the sources and external links listed on the page.
Since the town of Gujranwala was founded by Sansi's its easy to see why this has been a cause for confusion. By the way I've read some of the material that you're overlooking and think you're doing a great job.
Here are the references, the bibliography is usually listed at the bottom of each page: http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/warriors/charat.html http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/warriors/ranjit1.html
Some other references with Bibliographies and references to Sandhu Heritage: http://www.4dw.net/royalark/India4/lahore2.htm (look for Naudh Singh Sandhu) http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE2-3/bajwa.html http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/l/lahore.html http://www.punjabilok.com/misc/freedom/freedom_index.htm
Hope this helps to simplify things for you,
Thanks!
Yo Sukhbhai - I'm back. What is your thinking on the FA drive? Is there anything I can help on? By a brief examination, you've done a fantastic job. I think poignant criticism will only now be obtained on FAC, so I'd like to know where you stand. Rama's Arrow 06:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm beginning to think that the "Independent India" section in history is not relevant to the discussion of the Sikh religion. What do you think? Rama's Arrow 23:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
If you feel generally comfortable, I think you should launch the FAC. Poignant criticism will only be obtained there, so no point in waiting. I'll continue to copyedit and keep a close eye on things. Rama's Arrow 23:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Whether or not the FAC succeeds, you should sleep deep and peacefully in the knowledge of the fantastic work you've done. Btw, if you're thinking about going for RfA again, I'd strongly suggest that you diversify your work on admin-related tasks, and beyond Sikhism-related articles. I think it is necessary to showcase more growth in contributions. Rama's Arrow 06:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Greetings, Mr. Sukh.
I see that you have made a short stub on Kartarpur, in which it is said that 'Kartarpur is a small town near Jalandhar established by Guru Nanak Dev.'
I knew this was coming. I think, we have to make a disambiguation page for Kartarpur. If I am not wrong, you have an edition of 'The Illustrated History of the Sikhs'. It must be having a map showing two different Kartarpurs in the Punjab; the Kartarpur in the Jullundur Doab, which was founded by Arjan and the one founded by Nanak. Arjan also founded the towns of Taran Taran( Majha) and Sri Hargobindpur (on the Beas), although I have read at some places that Har Gobind founded Sri Hargobindpur, which I think is wrong for he founded Kiratpur, which again according to some was founded by Har Rai. The list is long.
However, I think the disambiguation page should have links to pages entitled as Kartarpur(Nanak), for the town founded by the first Guru on the banks of the Ravi between present-day Kalanaur and Basohli along the course of the Ravi as it descends from Chamba and flows towards Lahore, and Kartarpur(Arjan), for the town founded by the fifth Guru.
By the way, we even need a disambiguation page for Shahadara linking to the one on the left bank of the Ravi facing Lahore and the one on the eastern bank of the Yamuna in Delhi.
Regards. Rajatjghai 18:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi - yeah I've been keeping an eye on. I think you should report both Aryan818 and Elven on WP:ANI as WP:TROLLs. Rama's Arrow 00:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
How have you been Sukh! Thanks for your message yesterday on the Sikhi talk board! I have been away from Wikipedia for a while. Hope all is well with you. 138.49.98.53 09:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
You have taken enough abuse. I've reported our friends: [1]. This Fire Burns 15:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Your first FA! Great reward for a month of hard, patient work. Btw, if you start another FA drive for a Sikhism subject, jus lemme know. Will love to help. This Fire Burns....Always 03:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on FA! -- Samir धर्म 03:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I looked through the Act, and found (on page 5, 7B(2)) that only one right is not accorded to OCIs (see changes). So now that point is also taken care of. Please reply on the FAC page.--May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 (esperanza elections!) 04:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
There has been a massive edit war going-on the Khalistan article. Both editors have been blocked but there has been lot of neutral United nations and stats removed. Please have look at it and rectify by taking or adding any information that has been removed. Try and make neutral as possible.-- Sikh scholar 14:23, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Sukh, if you need any detailed information on the Khalsa, I can provide it ALL, as all my family are, order of the Khalsa e.g. dad, mum, aunts, uncles and grandparents. Moreoever, we have close links to some of the most respected Sikh leaders in Sikhism, who are greatly involved in promoting and educating the Sikh diaspora about Sikhism, around the world. Moreoever, that goes for Philosophy, Sikhism commmon sense, interpretation, historical records and pretty much anything else. However, the only problem is I'm very busy (working on my PhD in CS) for the time being so when I have slighty less work load (hopefully 2 months) I can help significantly then P.S. Give me reply when recieve this.-- Sikh scholar 02:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I have made a number of changes to the Singh article. Please have a look and tell me about rectifications needed. Rajatjghai 06:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I've had some detailed talks with user:Spasage on the sensitive issue of national identity between India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. We've come up with some ideas on how to resolve the problem, through a disambiguation page for both "India" and "Indian." Obviously its a big move, so please weigh in here [3]. This Fire Burns.....Always 08:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh. I took a look at your report to WP:AIV about 86.7.132.163. I have decided not to take action against this user at this time. There are two reasons for this:
1. He has not been warned since June 8. In order to block a user for vandalism, he must have been appropriately warned in the last 24 hours.
2. This appears to be a content dispute. I examined the contributions from 86.7.132.163 and none that I could find fall under Wikipedi'a definition of vandalism.
If you can provide me specific diffs of recent vandalism, I am willing to reconsider this. Also, you might consider Wikipedia's other avenues of dispute resolution as they are more appropriate to a content dispute. In particular one of the mediation mechanisms is probably the most appropriate way to try to resolve this. Good luck, Gwernol 14:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh - I hope you'll be able to check this article and its FAC. This Fire Burns.....Always 00:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh,
Thanks for the message. I have emailed Gurumustuk Singh a few times over the last several weeks and unfortunately the problem has not been totally resolved. It is possible that he has been very busy or may be he is not an expert at Wiki-technology - I don't really know!!
Any suggestion on how we can fix the problem? Or better still - do you know a wiki expert who could liaise with Gurumustuk! Yours suggestion will be most welcomed.
Congrats on getting the Sikhism article a FA status. Well done. What next for Sikhism on Wikipedia? The Sikhism Portal needs improvements???
Sorry I should have put this on my User talk page!!! Unfortunately, did not read the top of your user talk page. -- Hari Singh 00:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
These questions have a touch of racism to them - possibly by a islamic religious body. I recommend dissociation of this discussion to a different place. The religion might be discussed but not with taking rubbish analogies like '....wearing ...sleeve'.
jujhar.tronics@gmail.com
Jujharsingh on Wikipedia
Hi - I'm responding here so as to keep out our noisy friends. I don't think you should keep this para, because apart from dealing with generalities, it pollutes the structure which got this article to FA status.
Hi - do check this article out. It has obvious problems, but I'm not sure if it merits an AfD. This Fire Burns Always 14:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Im not posting their, he never provided proof or anything why not give him hell! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elven6 ( talk • contribs)
Hi Sukh, I was trying to work on Chail, which is supposed to have been habilitated by Maharaja Bhupinder Singh. Infact, right from my young days, I have heard a legend that the Maharaja had a tiff with Lord Kitchener and eloped with his daughter. He was banned from entering Shimla after that. So he made his palace at Chail. Most of the websites corroborate this. But they all seem to be wrong. To begin with, Lord Kitchener did not have a daughter. Secondly, the Maharaja was born in 1891 and the Lord was in Shimla in the first decade of 1900s. Chail was established in the late 1800s.
If you or any other Punjabi reading this has any knowledge about the subject, please enlighten me.
PS: Sukh, sorry for using your talk page as a notice board, but it seems to be very frequented by lot of Punjabis -- Lost 17:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Paaji, This is amit from aapkadomain.com, Tussi mere page de peechhe kyo pade ho.... bachche ne ik page banaya haga tusi usi no delete karan di gala kar rahe ho.. I m not doing advert.. I m mentioning clear competitors in Brighter light.. Please advise if i can make any further changes to make it more suitable.. Regards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hinduism_and_the_Sikh_Panth#Sources
Has you can see he never stated any sources he just based it off of it, it is just his opinion so I think we should deal with it as well.
I mean you don't see me making a article about my opinions do you?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Elven6 ( talk • contribs)
Greetings, Mr. Sukh.
I have been working on a template called "Castes and Tribes of the Punjab". I had begun it with the intention of studying tribal and caste groups in the region through a purely anthropological prism.
Two "Kamboj warriors" have been giving me a headache on the template since the past few days. especially one of them, called User:Sze cavalry01. I already have had a revert war with his crony, User:Satbir Singh about two days back. Have a look at the history page of the template and you will be able to fathom the reason for the whole fracas.
As things stand, I will soon be leaving my hometown and heading out to a new place for work. I think these are probably my last days at this portal (as an editor that is).
Before I go, I would like to "hand over" this template, which was well, "my own baby" to yourself and Rama's Arrow. In my four months at the portal, I haven't really got to know anybody else really well.
I would really wish that you look at the template and take some action, since I wouldn't really like to leave this place with the feeling that it is the stronghold of caste iconclasts.
Also wanted to enquire about the procedure to close down an existing account since I wanted to close mine.
Regards. Rajatjghai 19:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh - I've reported our friends, this time I want decisive action. [5] This Fire Burns Always 06:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Hullo man. The quotes on your User page are awesome! Buntygill 07:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sukh,your reasons for the recent 'rv' on the subject matter would be appreciated. Afterall, the guidelines are that any 'rv' should be accompanied by reasons.
Look forward to your views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.6.54 ( talk • contribs)
Most of the information on the Hinduism and The Sikh Panth page is clearly pro-Hindu, and is not correct. Also, in Sikhism, under the headline of Relationship with Hinduism, once again it is clearly pro-Hindu. Any changes I make to try to better this, and I'm sent a message warning me I will be blocked.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by JaSsa ( talk • contribs)
I've certainly learnt most about Sikhism while working on this FA project with you - I was positively stunned to discover how akin is Nanak's teaching to the Gita - but I've always been an explorer of religion and philosophy, and Sikhism appealed to me becoz of its strong, disciplined and pesonalized philosophy and devotion of God. Sikhs are religiously disciplined, and have always had a spirit of confidence, pride and self-preservation as well as spiritual depth, whether attacked by Muslim armies or pulled apart by Sikh and Hindu political leaders, (most and individual) Sikhs have remained united and true to their consciousness. I've felt not remotely conscious of any difference with a few of my Sikh friends (including you), nor does it remotely affect my Hindu spirit. I would put up a userbox saying I'm a Sikh - after all, it means a student of the gurus and God, but I'm a bit worried that it may be misconstrued by others. One of my father's best friends is a Sikh, and he regularly cracks Sikh jokes himself. Its that ability to laugh at oneself without being slightly threatened that appeals to me. Of course, negative stuff has happened ever since 1947, but nobody can blame them since the Sikh homeland was cut right in half - common Sikhs have endured this amazingly, given the trauma and fundamentalism that event provoked amongst Muslims and Hindus. Enjoyed the essay? Cheers, This Fire Burns Always 23:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah dear I wish Icould translate on both ends but Idont know which wordprocessor I will have to use for writing either shahmukhi or gurmukhi. I have used character map writing these literals in Shahmukhi and gurmukhi. If you know pls help me. And pls also suggest some articles to betranslated in either scripts. Abulfazl 06:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh - please check the portal. I've made some changes and only a few formatting errors remain to be sorted. This Fire Burns Always 05:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I know my HInduism and Sikhism...U just know only Sikhism...so listen...ill tell u what..if ur down,....u wanna talk on the phone sometime?...Id really like to hear ur side if ur willing to hear mine...lets have a nice debate were no one care erase anything ARYAN818 09:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Sukh I appreciate your welcome :-)-- Sikh historian 19:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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Hey Sukh!
The references on Maharaja Ranjit Singh's page are not consistent with the sources and external links listed on the page.
Since the town of Gujranwala was founded by Sansi's its easy to see why this has been a cause for confusion. By the way I've read some of the material that you're overlooking and think you're doing a great job.
Here are the references, the bibliography is usually listed at the bottom of each page: http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/warriors/charat.html http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/warriors/ranjit1.html
Some other references with Bibliographies and references to Sandhu Heritage: http://www.4dw.net/royalark/India4/lahore2.htm (look for Naudh Singh Sandhu) http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE2-3/bajwa.html http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/l/lahore.html http://www.punjabilok.com/misc/freedom/freedom_index.htm
Hope this helps to simplify things for you,
Thanks!
Yo Sukhbhai - I'm back. What is your thinking on the FA drive? Is there anything I can help on? By a brief examination, you've done a fantastic job. I think poignant criticism will only now be obtained on FAC, so I'd like to know where you stand. Rama's Arrow 06:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm beginning to think that the "Independent India" section in history is not relevant to the discussion of the Sikh religion. What do you think? Rama's Arrow 23:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
If you feel generally comfortable, I think you should launch the FAC. Poignant criticism will only be obtained there, so no point in waiting. I'll continue to copyedit and keep a close eye on things. Rama's Arrow 23:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Whether or not the FAC succeeds, you should sleep deep and peacefully in the knowledge of the fantastic work you've done. Btw, if you're thinking about going for RfA again, I'd strongly suggest that you diversify your work on admin-related tasks, and beyond Sikhism-related articles. I think it is necessary to showcase more growth in contributions. Rama's Arrow 06:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Greetings, Mr. Sukh.
I see that you have made a short stub on Kartarpur, in which it is said that 'Kartarpur is a small town near Jalandhar established by Guru Nanak Dev.'
I knew this was coming. I think, we have to make a disambiguation page for Kartarpur. If I am not wrong, you have an edition of 'The Illustrated History of the Sikhs'. It must be having a map showing two different Kartarpurs in the Punjab; the Kartarpur in the Jullundur Doab, which was founded by Arjan and the one founded by Nanak. Arjan also founded the towns of Taran Taran( Majha) and Sri Hargobindpur (on the Beas), although I have read at some places that Har Gobind founded Sri Hargobindpur, which I think is wrong for he founded Kiratpur, which again according to some was founded by Har Rai. The list is long.
However, I think the disambiguation page should have links to pages entitled as Kartarpur(Nanak), for the town founded by the first Guru on the banks of the Ravi between present-day Kalanaur and Basohli along the course of the Ravi as it descends from Chamba and flows towards Lahore, and Kartarpur(Arjan), for the town founded by the fifth Guru.
By the way, we even need a disambiguation page for Shahadara linking to the one on the left bank of the Ravi facing Lahore and the one on the eastern bank of the Yamuna in Delhi.
Regards. Rajatjghai 18:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi - yeah I've been keeping an eye on. I think you should report both Aryan818 and Elven on WP:ANI as WP:TROLLs. Rama's Arrow 00:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
How have you been Sukh! Thanks for your message yesterday on the Sikhi talk board! I have been away from Wikipedia for a while. Hope all is well with you. 138.49.98.53 09:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
You have taken enough abuse. I've reported our friends: [1]. This Fire Burns 15:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Your first FA! Great reward for a month of hard, patient work. Btw, if you start another FA drive for a Sikhism subject, jus lemme know. Will love to help. This Fire Burns....Always 03:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on FA! -- Samir धर्म 03:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I looked through the Act, and found (on page 5, 7B(2)) that only one right is not accorded to OCIs (see changes). So now that point is also taken care of. Please reply on the FAC page.--May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 (esperanza elections!) 04:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
There has been a massive edit war going-on the Khalistan article. Both editors have been blocked but there has been lot of neutral United nations and stats removed. Please have look at it and rectify by taking or adding any information that has been removed. Try and make neutral as possible.-- Sikh scholar 14:23, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Sukh, if you need any detailed information on the Khalsa, I can provide it ALL, as all my family are, order of the Khalsa e.g. dad, mum, aunts, uncles and grandparents. Moreoever, we have close links to some of the most respected Sikh leaders in Sikhism, who are greatly involved in promoting and educating the Sikh diaspora about Sikhism, around the world. Moreoever, that goes for Philosophy, Sikhism commmon sense, interpretation, historical records and pretty much anything else. However, the only problem is I'm very busy (working on my PhD in CS) for the time being so when I have slighty less work load (hopefully 2 months) I can help significantly then P.S. Give me reply when recieve this.-- Sikh scholar 02:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I have made a number of changes to the Singh article. Please have a look and tell me about rectifications needed. Rajatjghai 06:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi - I've had some detailed talks with user:Spasage on the sensitive issue of national identity between India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. We've come up with some ideas on how to resolve the problem, through a disambiguation page for both "India" and "Indian." Obviously its a big move, so please weigh in here [3]. This Fire Burns.....Always 08:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh. I took a look at your report to WP:AIV about 86.7.132.163. I have decided not to take action against this user at this time. There are two reasons for this:
1. He has not been warned since June 8. In order to block a user for vandalism, he must have been appropriately warned in the last 24 hours.
2. This appears to be a content dispute. I examined the contributions from 86.7.132.163 and none that I could find fall under Wikipedi'a definition of vandalism.
If you can provide me specific diffs of recent vandalism, I am willing to reconsider this. Also, you might consider Wikipedia's other avenues of dispute resolution as they are more appropriate to a content dispute. In particular one of the mediation mechanisms is probably the most appropriate way to try to resolve this. Good luck, Gwernol 14:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh - I hope you'll be able to check this article and its FAC. This Fire Burns.....Always 00:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh,
Thanks for the message. I have emailed Gurumustuk Singh a few times over the last several weeks and unfortunately the problem has not been totally resolved. It is possible that he has been very busy or may be he is not an expert at Wiki-technology - I don't really know!!
Any suggestion on how we can fix the problem? Or better still - do you know a wiki expert who could liaise with Gurumustuk! Yours suggestion will be most welcomed.
Congrats on getting the Sikhism article a FA status. Well done. What next for Sikhism on Wikipedia? The Sikhism Portal needs improvements???
Sorry I should have put this on my User talk page!!! Unfortunately, did not read the top of your user talk page. -- Hari Singh 00:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
These questions have a touch of racism to them - possibly by a islamic religious body. I recommend dissociation of this discussion to a different place. The religion might be discussed but not with taking rubbish analogies like '....wearing ...sleeve'.
jujhar.tronics@gmail.com
Jujharsingh on Wikipedia
Hi - I'm responding here so as to keep out our noisy friends. I don't think you should keep this para, because apart from dealing with generalities, it pollutes the structure which got this article to FA status.
Hi - do check this article out. It has obvious problems, but I'm not sure if it merits an AfD. This Fire Burns Always 14:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Im not posting their, he never provided proof or anything why not give him hell! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elven6 ( talk • contribs)
Hi Sukh, I was trying to work on Chail, which is supposed to have been habilitated by Maharaja Bhupinder Singh. Infact, right from my young days, I have heard a legend that the Maharaja had a tiff with Lord Kitchener and eloped with his daughter. He was banned from entering Shimla after that. So he made his palace at Chail. Most of the websites corroborate this. But they all seem to be wrong. To begin with, Lord Kitchener did not have a daughter. Secondly, the Maharaja was born in 1891 and the Lord was in Shimla in the first decade of 1900s. Chail was established in the late 1800s.
If you or any other Punjabi reading this has any knowledge about the subject, please enlighten me.
PS: Sukh, sorry for using your talk page as a notice board, but it seems to be very frequented by lot of Punjabis -- Lost 17:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Paaji, This is amit from aapkadomain.com, Tussi mere page de peechhe kyo pade ho.... bachche ne ik page banaya haga tusi usi no delete karan di gala kar rahe ho.. I m not doing advert.. I m mentioning clear competitors in Brighter light.. Please advise if i can make any further changes to make it more suitable.. Regards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hinduism_and_the_Sikh_Panth#Sources
Has you can see he never stated any sources he just based it off of it, it is just his opinion so I think we should deal with it as well.
I mean you don't see me making a article about my opinions do you?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Elven6 ( talk • contribs)
Greetings, Mr. Sukh.
I have been working on a template called "Castes and Tribes of the Punjab". I had begun it with the intention of studying tribal and caste groups in the region through a purely anthropological prism.
Two "Kamboj warriors" have been giving me a headache on the template since the past few days. especially one of them, called User:Sze cavalry01. I already have had a revert war with his crony, User:Satbir Singh about two days back. Have a look at the history page of the template and you will be able to fathom the reason for the whole fracas.
As things stand, I will soon be leaving my hometown and heading out to a new place for work. I think these are probably my last days at this portal (as an editor that is).
Before I go, I would like to "hand over" this template, which was well, "my own baby" to yourself and Rama's Arrow. In my four months at the portal, I haven't really got to know anybody else really well.
I would really wish that you look at the template and take some action, since I wouldn't really like to leave this place with the feeling that it is the stronghold of caste iconclasts.
Also wanted to enquire about the procedure to close down an existing account since I wanted to close mine.
Regards. Rajatjghai 19:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh - I've reported our friends, this time I want decisive action. [5] This Fire Burns Always 06:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Hullo man. The quotes on your User page are awesome! Buntygill 07:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sukh,your reasons for the recent 'rv' on the subject matter would be appreciated. Afterall, the guidelines are that any 'rv' should be accompanied by reasons.
Look forward to your views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.6.54 ( talk • contribs)
Most of the information on the Hinduism and The Sikh Panth page is clearly pro-Hindu, and is not correct. Also, in Sikhism, under the headline of Relationship with Hinduism, once again it is clearly pro-Hindu. Any changes I make to try to better this, and I'm sent a message warning me I will be blocked.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by JaSsa ( talk • contribs)
I've certainly learnt most about Sikhism while working on this FA project with you - I was positively stunned to discover how akin is Nanak's teaching to the Gita - but I've always been an explorer of religion and philosophy, and Sikhism appealed to me becoz of its strong, disciplined and pesonalized philosophy and devotion of God. Sikhs are religiously disciplined, and have always had a spirit of confidence, pride and self-preservation as well as spiritual depth, whether attacked by Muslim armies or pulled apart by Sikh and Hindu political leaders, (most and individual) Sikhs have remained united and true to their consciousness. I've felt not remotely conscious of any difference with a few of my Sikh friends (including you), nor does it remotely affect my Hindu spirit. I would put up a userbox saying I'm a Sikh - after all, it means a student of the gurus and God, but I'm a bit worried that it may be misconstrued by others. One of my father's best friends is a Sikh, and he regularly cracks Sikh jokes himself. Its that ability to laugh at oneself without being slightly threatened that appeals to me. Of course, negative stuff has happened ever since 1947, but nobody can blame them since the Sikh homeland was cut right in half - common Sikhs have endured this amazingly, given the trauma and fundamentalism that event provoked amongst Muslims and Hindus. Enjoyed the essay? Cheers, This Fire Burns Always 23:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah dear I wish Icould translate on both ends but Idont know which wordprocessor I will have to use for writing either shahmukhi or gurmukhi. I have used character map writing these literals in Shahmukhi and gurmukhi. If you know pls help me. And pls also suggest some articles to betranslated in either scripts. Abulfazl 06:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Sukh - please check the portal. I've made some changes and only a few formatting errors remain to be sorted. This Fire Burns Always 05:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I know my HInduism and Sikhism...U just know only Sikhism...so listen...ill tell u what..if ur down,....u wanna talk on the phone sometime?...Id really like to hear ur side if ur willing to hear mine...lets have a nice debate were no one care erase anything ARYAN818 09:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Sukh I appreciate your welcome :-)-- Sikh historian 19:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)