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Sterry2607 - I missed your message about setting up a Canberra meeting. It seems a good idea and I would like to come and talk occasionally. Wikipedia is a quite absorbing interest and talking to others with the same hobbie would be very nice. If you set up a time, and the Bookplate is a great place to meet. Stellar 05:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Sterry2607 ! I was having a break when you joined up on Oz Lit, so am just sending you a belated warm welcome. Its great to see more members joining. Boylo 09:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - the article is very nicely balanced. I like the quotes you included - from Olga Masters and from people others. I really liked the sense of time and place that Olga Masters created in her stories. They were not grand monumental stories and were about everyday people you would like to meet, but she made them alive and gave the characters a sense of dignity. PS - I think Tel½ra has finally sorted out my internet connection and granted me access again. I will find something to practice on tonight and see what happens. Stellar 10:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - I have cut and pasted your Olga Masters info box into two pages I have been pottering with. They are the father (Sam Watson) and the son (Samuel Wagan Watson) there are so many Watsons around there is even a list of them by family name. It was easier and really useful to have the link father<->Son in the info box. I like the little Aust flag icon also. Stellar 12:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
No problems. I sometimes use audio books as I am blind and apart from braille and e-books, I can't access any print meterial at all. I didn't know about these awards until stumbling upon them while fixing links to John Marsden - I might check out some of the winning entries. Graham 87 12:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - it is really confusing. Her husband was noted as H M Green, and if you have every tried searching for Green in Wikipedia you would realise how cluttered the search is! He has a very distinguished list of ancestors. I used the Info box to link the various names at this stage, but it is not perfect. I will be doing more research on Dorothy. There are lists of people who write about her poetry and I think that needs to be investigated. There is an existing Dorothy Green - definitely someone else. When you find a solution to the pointing to feature, I look forward to using it! Started looking at Gail Jones. Have you read her work? Stellar 13:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - I came across this code in the Film, Last of the Mohicans. There are 4 films and they all direct to another place where the four are listed.
{{otheruses}} {{otheruses4|the 1992 film|other uses|The Last of the Mohicans (disambiguation)}}
The page it points to is a disambiguation page with the name The Last of the Mohicans (disambiguation). I think I will set one up for Dorothy Green. Stellar 14:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
STerry2607 - the awards are all over the place. I like using categories because they self populate. I think the list you added to is the best collection. There is another list - List of literary awards - which refrences the list you updated. It seems inefficient to have it is two places, but then they are linked. Joined the NLA today - finally and spent a nice afternoon just picking things up and reading. A great time. Stellar 11:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - it is clear although "dotty". I thought of that but didn't like the extra line. I know I have seen somewhere where it has been done well, but can't remember where - will keep looking - and will tell you when I find it. In The Age Book of the Year Fiction awards list, every writer has a page created. I think of all the lists of awards this is the first time I have seen that! It is a great list and the awards must be going to popular writers. Stellar 04:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the star, but it was very much a combined effort. I was looking through the collected list and there are a lot of the records there will very little or no information. The list does look substantive, doesn't it? Stellar 08:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
yes, the page was terrible. I couldn't go past it. The AusLit reference did put in her the date of her death, but I couldn't find any obituary, and I have looked. The delay may be because it missed the weekend newspapers? Stellar 12:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
re infoboxes: -
Very important - if you see something on another users page or user talk page of use to your purposes - copy and paste into your appropriate place. Use - its there to do that Satu Suro 07:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - I won't start up a page for Jean Bedford, it just seems strange that she is made it to the Who's Who of Contemporary Women's Writing and there was not a page for her. One thing wikipedia constantly reminds me, is that I have very limited experience of Aust Lit.
Please feel free to add to any pages I am working on. All I am doing is filling in the blanks with easily found information. There are some pages that have such limited information on them that with minimal research the details can be expanded. Why do people put up these pages in the first place if they aren't going to write them up properly? Stellar 10:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - glad you have adopted one of the names. I decided that I would get the History awards out of the way as there are only a few of them, but then more and more came out. Nadia Wheatley's page looks great - she has a great body of work behind her. I know what you mean about finding evidence in multiple places and all copied and all wrong in parts. Hope your cold is better. Patcheworking is good for the soul. Stellar 11:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Thats fame for you - and reminder that we are in a goldfishbowl. I used to keep reminding the more uncouth (use of swear words etc) that it would show up - and it is never erased either - unless there is a good reason. Anything further from me on this subject and it would have to be off-wiki - just a salient reminder of its all here to see! :) Satu Suro 07:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC) Most forget - the issue re where the wikipedia page is in the first page for any google search is intriguing. I strongly recommend the use of clusty and more peripheral search engines that do not have bundled ads. It doesnt stop me using gmail - but for a long time I have been a skeptic - and go into verbose paroxysms of vitriol, vile venting of voluminous veracious invective and accompanying diatribe when radio announcers and shop assistants refer to it as 'my friend' - or words similar... however due to the nature of here - I keep it at that. Satu Suro 08:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
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Ayleuss
10:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Sterry2607. I was adding categories for botanical illustrators, when I noticed this article. A nice improvement from you. Regards, Fred ☻ 00:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed them because, as I said on the talk page, they are not collaborations (although collaborative names like Philip Lawson or Ellery Queen probably do belond on the page. A Collaboration is a work. the people who do it are collaborators, which is where the names you initially put in the category rightfully belong. Shsilver 04:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, a big group, but there is lots of good information that is easily accessible. I was looking through the help section can came across subpages so started out that way. I then went and re-read the section and in one of the later sections it said they were not to be used for main pages. Still, a learning experience in many ways. I learned how to request deletion of pages also. Motherhood is only ever a temporary situation. Thankfully children grow up then just when they are intelligent enough to talk to they leave home. Stellar 09:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. cheers — Moondyne 06:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC) gmail. cheers Satu Suro 06:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I will talk to you on Satdy about this. What I did was remove the content, create new pages with new names and then requested the original pages to be deleted. The result is the information is in the pages with appropriate names. Stellar 09:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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Marwood
12:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
There wasn't anything there -- this was the entire content of the article as posted:
Frank Dalby Davison
==Notes== {{reflist}} ==References== {{DEFAULT
If you can post an article with content, go ahead. NawlinWiki 12:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Did you have a good holiday? Stellar 13:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Sterry - I understand the issue of links. Someone went through one of my articles and removed links that they said were unnecessary, but I think there is room for different opinions. As for Victoria - my focus was just identifying which Victoria, and with your example it just seemed to me to make a tidier solution. Most town names I have come across have the [town, state] grouped in the brackets. And that logically seems the most long term solution. These working groups are very interesting: I have worked on two now, the disambiguation and the red-link one. Stellar 09:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC) 09:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Sterry2607 - I missed your message about setting up a Canberra meeting. It seems a good idea and I would like to come and talk occasionally. Wikipedia is a quite absorbing interest and talking to others with the same hobbie would be very nice. If you set up a time, and the Bookplate is a great place to meet. Stellar 05:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Sterry2607 ! I was having a break when you joined up on Oz Lit, so am just sending you a belated warm welcome. Its great to see more members joining. Boylo 09:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - the article is very nicely balanced. I like the quotes you included - from Olga Masters and from people others. I really liked the sense of time and place that Olga Masters created in her stories. They were not grand monumental stories and were about everyday people you would like to meet, but she made them alive and gave the characters a sense of dignity. PS - I think Tel½ra has finally sorted out my internet connection and granted me access again. I will find something to practice on tonight and see what happens. Stellar 10:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - I have cut and pasted your Olga Masters info box into two pages I have been pottering with. They are the father (Sam Watson) and the son (Samuel Wagan Watson) there are so many Watsons around there is even a list of them by family name. It was easier and really useful to have the link father<->Son in the info box. I like the little Aust flag icon also. Stellar 12:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
No problems. I sometimes use audio books as I am blind and apart from braille and e-books, I can't access any print meterial at all. I didn't know about these awards until stumbling upon them while fixing links to John Marsden - I might check out some of the winning entries. Graham 87 12:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - it is really confusing. Her husband was noted as H M Green, and if you have every tried searching for Green in Wikipedia you would realise how cluttered the search is! He has a very distinguished list of ancestors. I used the Info box to link the various names at this stage, but it is not perfect. I will be doing more research on Dorothy. There are lists of people who write about her poetry and I think that needs to be investigated. There is an existing Dorothy Green - definitely someone else. When you find a solution to the pointing to feature, I look forward to using it! Started looking at Gail Jones. Have you read her work? Stellar 13:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - I came across this code in the Film, Last of the Mohicans. There are 4 films and they all direct to another place where the four are listed.
{{otheruses}} {{otheruses4|the 1992 film|other uses|The Last of the Mohicans (disambiguation)}}
The page it points to is a disambiguation page with the name The Last of the Mohicans (disambiguation). I think I will set one up for Dorothy Green. Stellar 14:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
STerry2607 - the awards are all over the place. I like using categories because they self populate. I think the list you added to is the best collection. There is another list - List of literary awards - which refrences the list you updated. It seems inefficient to have it is two places, but then they are linked. Joined the NLA today - finally and spent a nice afternoon just picking things up and reading. A great time. Stellar 11:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - it is clear although "dotty". I thought of that but didn't like the extra line. I know I have seen somewhere where it has been done well, but can't remember where - will keep looking - and will tell you when I find it. In The Age Book of the Year Fiction awards list, every writer has a page created. I think of all the lists of awards this is the first time I have seen that! It is a great list and the awards must be going to popular writers. Stellar 04:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the star, but it was very much a combined effort. I was looking through the collected list and there are a lot of the records there will very little or no information. The list does look substantive, doesn't it? Stellar 08:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
yes, the page was terrible. I couldn't go past it. The AusLit reference did put in her the date of her death, but I couldn't find any obituary, and I have looked. The delay may be because it missed the weekend newspapers? Stellar 12:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
re infoboxes: -
Very important - if you see something on another users page or user talk page of use to your purposes - copy and paste into your appropriate place. Use - its there to do that Satu Suro 07:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - I won't start up a page for Jean Bedford, it just seems strange that she is made it to the Who's Who of Contemporary Women's Writing and there was not a page for her. One thing wikipedia constantly reminds me, is that I have very limited experience of Aust Lit.
Please feel free to add to any pages I am working on. All I am doing is filling in the blanks with easily found information. There are some pages that have such limited information on them that with minimal research the details can be expanded. Why do people put up these pages in the first place if they aren't going to write them up properly? Stellar 10:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Sterry2607 - glad you have adopted one of the names. I decided that I would get the History awards out of the way as there are only a few of them, but then more and more came out. Nadia Wheatley's page looks great - she has a great body of work behind her. I know what you mean about finding evidence in multiple places and all copied and all wrong in parts. Hope your cold is better. Patcheworking is good for the soul. Stellar 11:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Thats fame for you - and reminder that we are in a goldfishbowl. I used to keep reminding the more uncouth (use of swear words etc) that it would show up - and it is never erased either - unless there is a good reason. Anything further from me on this subject and it would have to be off-wiki - just a salient reminder of its all here to see! :) Satu Suro 07:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC) Most forget - the issue re where the wikipedia page is in the first page for any google search is intriguing. I strongly recommend the use of clusty and more peripheral search engines that do not have bundled ads. It doesnt stop me using gmail - but for a long time I have been a skeptic - and go into verbose paroxysms of vitriol, vile venting of voluminous veracious invective and accompanying diatribe when radio announcers and shop assistants refer to it as 'my friend' - or words similar... however due to the nature of here - I keep it at that. Satu Suro 08:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
A {{
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The Age Short Story Award, suggesting that it be deleted according to the
proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's
criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "
What Wikipedia is not" and
Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}}
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its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the
proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the
speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to
Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if
consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{
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Ayleuss
10:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Sterry2607. I was adding categories for botanical illustrators, when I noticed this article. A nice improvement from you. Regards, Fred ☻ 00:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed them because, as I said on the talk page, they are not collaborations (although collaborative names like Philip Lawson or Ellery Queen probably do belond on the page. A Collaboration is a work. the people who do it are collaborators, which is where the names you initially put in the category rightfully belong. Shsilver 04:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, a big group, but there is lots of good information that is easily accessible. I was looking through the help section can came across subpages so started out that way. I then went and re-read the section and in one of the later sections it said they were not to be used for main pages. Still, a learning experience in many ways. I learned how to request deletion of pages also. Motherhood is only ever a temporary situation. Thankfully children grow up then just when they are intelligent enough to talk to they leave home. Stellar 09:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. cheers — Moondyne 06:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC) gmail. cheers Satu Suro 06:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I will talk to you on Satdy about this. What I did was remove the content, create new pages with new names and then requested the original pages to be deleted. The result is the information is in the pages with appropriate names. Stellar 09:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Frank Dalby Davison, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.
Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that
administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{
hangon}}
to the page and state your intention on the article's
talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.
Marwood
12:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
There wasn't anything there -- this was the entire content of the article as posted:
Frank Dalby Davison
==Notes== {{reflist}} ==References== {{DEFAULT
If you can post an article with content, go ahead. NawlinWiki 12:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Did you have a good holiday? Stellar 13:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Sterry - I understand the issue of links. Someone went through one of my articles and removed links that they said were unnecessary, but I think there is room for different opinions. As for Victoria - my focus was just identifying which Victoria, and with your example it just seemed to me to make a tidier solution. Most town names I have come across have the [town, state] grouped in the brackets. And that logically seems the most long term solution. These working groups are very interesting: I have worked on two now, the disambiguation and the red-link one. Stellar 09:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC) 09:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)