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Hello. I'm contacting you because you undid an earlier closure of [ [1]] on Jenny Rae Le Roux. The article now appears to have been deleted without proper closure of the debate, following a couple of editors claiming that the article was a hoax. I have left a comment in the debate. While it may well be that the subject is non-notable, the existence of this candidate is clearly not a hoax (though the content added to the article may be), and I think it's been unwise to delete the article as a "hoax" without proper debate. When you have time, please would you re-visit this topic. I think we're unwise to claim that a bona fide candidate (I've checked with the California Secretary of State's website) is a "hoax", as it makes us look like we're getting political. Thank you. RomanSpa ( talk) 09:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
You closed the DRV regarding this AfD before I had a chance to post my response there. And I was trying to do so but there was an edit conflict. I think you should reopen the DRV. And I should be allowed to post my response there. I had valid reasons for doing what I did. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 09:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Just to be clear. I wasn't an involved editor. And I didn't close the AfD to my preferred outcome. I closed it according to the sources that were added after the nomination. The added sources clearly indicated that the criteria for WP:GEOLAND is satisfied. I don't see how this can possibly close other then keep. So, I question the value of all this drama. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 09:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I noticed your mention of my copyediting the troll article. As much as I would like to see the article kept, I know virtually nothing about the deletion criteria or how any of that works. Just mentioning it in case you think I couldn't be bothered to participate. Primergrey ( talk) 19:14, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi there! My apologies: the unsolicited nature of this advice is made more egregious by the fact that we're (hopefully briefly) at odds at ANI. That said, I just want to encourage you to follow the first recommended step at WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE—stating your conduct concerns politely and directly at the other user's talk page. My success with the method has been ... mixed, but I feel it to be worth the time investment. As is always true when I give unsolicited advice, know that I won't be offended if you delete this or don't respond. If you want to offend me, I am particularly sensitive to assertions that comedy is not a worthy art form. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 05:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hi Stalwart,
I was hoping you would be able to help me out with something; I think I've stumbled across a large number of COI's related to a single organization, starting at the end of 2015 and continuing until today, peaking in 2016 and 2019, and I'm not sure what to do about it.
I'm approaching you because despite our limited interactions, my relative newness to Wikipedia means that I haven't interacted with many users, and of those I have, you appear to be the best combination of experienced within Wikipedia and neutral on the topic areas this involves - I hope you don't mind.
The organization is Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor, and the behavior takes one of two forms:
Originally, I believed there was a single, semi-declared conflict of interest by Anassjerjawi, but a recent edit on the page by Emad Shehda, a new editor with just three edits, made me wonder. I investigated further, and believe I can connect that individual to an individual within EMHRM, but I won't provide the details as I'm not sure whether WP:OUTING covers information publicly available on the internet, discoverable with information provided on Wikipedia.
I am reasonable confident that the following seven individuals have a COI related to the organization; two have posted information to that effect on wikipedia, though they have not properly declared their COI. Two more I have discovered other information that connects them to the organization, and the final three are merely connected based on their editing pattern.
I also believe there are individuals beyond these seven that I have been unable to discover; as part of a broader post, Thomas. W posted the following on Anassjerjawi's page Rules that have been explained to other people in your organisation multiple times, and should come as no surprise to you
, and I've only been able to find one of those explanations.
Wikipedian | EMHRM Edits | Total Edits | First Edit | Last Edit | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Wiki Enriching | 7 | 8 | 19 July 2019 | 24 August 2019 | 8th edit bluelinking a word in an unrelated article |
SarahMaro | 4 | 4 | 20 September 2019 | 6 January 2020 | N/A |
MahaHussaini | 23 | 29 | 9 July 2019 | 15 July 2019 | Very strong evidence exists that they have a conflict of interest beyond editing pattern; not posting due to WP:OUTING concerns |
Anassjerjawi | ? | 129 | 18 October 2015 | 16 August 2021 | Mentions they have a COI in relation to a warning for previous recreation of the EMHRM article. In the absence of that comment, I would not have included them in this list; there are other editors with a similar editing pattern that I dismissed as their focus wasn't sufficiently on EMHRM. Was warned about COI editing on the 17th of October, 2016. |
Emad Shehda | 3 | 3 | 17 August 2021 | 19 August 2021 | Evidence exists that they have a conflict of interest beyond editing pattern; not posting due to WP:OUTING concerns. Was partially warned about COI editing on the 21st of August, 2021 |
Salsabeel Zeineddin | 20 | 25 | 18 October 2015 | 25 September 2016 | Other 5 edits in user-space, mentions having a relation with EUHRM on their user page, was warned about COI editing on the 26th of October, 2015 |
NaraForRefugees | 5 | 7 | 14 May 2016 | 14 July 2016 | Other edits not in article-space |
There is an additional user with an unusual editing pattern that I feel is worthy of mention, though I am not confident that they have a COI with EUHRM
Wikipedian | EMHRM Edits | Total Edits | First Edit | Last Edit | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Salhudeena | 1 | 5 | 9 August 2021 | 9 August 2021 | The remaining four edits are extensive but unsourced BLP's in draft space; the two individuals covered do not appear to be notable on the basis of WP:BEFORE and the photographs of them are uploaded by the user with the copyright information stating "own work" |
From here, I am not sure to do. I would just politely point them in the direction of WP:COI as I did with Emad Shehda before I discovered the extent of the issue, but I don't feel that is appropriate any more; the organization as a whole has not heeded the COI warnings, and nor have the individuals who have been warned. Do you believe I should just leave the COI notifications, or should I formally bring this up somewhere (perhaps ANI), and if so could you give a little guidance on how to do so, as well as whether I should mention Salhudeena?
Apologies for any inconvenience this causes; its a long post to drop on your lap without warning - and thank you for any help you can provide. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for your work on this article! I wonder, do you think it would be appropriate to set up a disambiguation with Craig Johnston the rugby player? Sheijiashaojun ( talk) 11:28, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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Hello. I'm contacting you because you undid an earlier closure of [ [1]] on Jenny Rae Le Roux. The article now appears to have been deleted without proper closure of the debate, following a couple of editors claiming that the article was a hoax. I have left a comment in the debate. While it may well be that the subject is non-notable, the existence of this candidate is clearly not a hoax (though the content added to the article may be), and I think it's been unwise to delete the article as a "hoax" without proper debate. When you have time, please would you re-visit this topic. I think we're unwise to claim that a bona fide candidate (I've checked with the California Secretary of State's website) is a "hoax", as it makes us look like we're getting political. Thank you. RomanSpa ( talk) 09:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
You closed the DRV regarding this AfD before I had a chance to post my response there. And I was trying to do so but there was an edit conflict. I think you should reopen the DRV. And I should be allowed to post my response there. I had valid reasons for doing what I did. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 09:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Just to be clear. I wasn't an involved editor. And I didn't close the AfD to my preferred outcome. I closed it according to the sources that were added after the nomination. The added sources clearly indicated that the criteria for WP:GEOLAND is satisfied. I don't see how this can possibly close other then keep. So, I question the value of all this drama. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 09:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I noticed your mention of my copyediting the troll article. As much as I would like to see the article kept, I know virtually nothing about the deletion criteria or how any of that works. Just mentioning it in case you think I couldn't be bothered to participate. Primergrey ( talk) 19:14, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi there! My apologies: the unsolicited nature of this advice is made more egregious by the fact that we're (hopefully briefly) at odds at ANI. That said, I just want to encourage you to follow the first recommended step at WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE—stating your conduct concerns politely and directly at the other user's talk page. My success with the method has been ... mixed, but I feel it to be worth the time investment. As is always true when I give unsolicited advice, know that I won't be offended if you delete this or don't respond. If you want to offend me, I am particularly sensitive to assertions that comedy is not a worthy art form. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 05:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
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|
Hi Stalwart,
I was hoping you would be able to help me out with something; I think I've stumbled across a large number of COI's related to a single organization, starting at the end of 2015 and continuing until today, peaking in 2016 and 2019, and I'm not sure what to do about it.
I'm approaching you because despite our limited interactions, my relative newness to Wikipedia means that I haven't interacted with many users, and of those I have, you appear to be the best combination of experienced within Wikipedia and neutral on the topic areas this involves - I hope you don't mind.
The organization is Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor, and the behavior takes one of two forms:
Originally, I believed there was a single, semi-declared conflict of interest by Anassjerjawi, but a recent edit on the page by Emad Shehda, a new editor with just three edits, made me wonder. I investigated further, and believe I can connect that individual to an individual within EMHRM, but I won't provide the details as I'm not sure whether WP:OUTING covers information publicly available on the internet, discoverable with information provided on Wikipedia.
I am reasonable confident that the following seven individuals have a COI related to the organization; two have posted information to that effect on wikipedia, though they have not properly declared their COI. Two more I have discovered other information that connects them to the organization, and the final three are merely connected based on their editing pattern.
I also believe there are individuals beyond these seven that I have been unable to discover; as part of a broader post, Thomas. W posted the following on Anassjerjawi's page Rules that have been explained to other people in your organisation multiple times, and should come as no surprise to you
, and I've only been able to find one of those explanations.
Wikipedian | EMHRM Edits | Total Edits | First Edit | Last Edit | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Wiki Enriching | 7 | 8 | 19 July 2019 | 24 August 2019 | 8th edit bluelinking a word in an unrelated article |
SarahMaro | 4 | 4 | 20 September 2019 | 6 January 2020 | N/A |
MahaHussaini | 23 | 29 | 9 July 2019 | 15 July 2019 | Very strong evidence exists that they have a conflict of interest beyond editing pattern; not posting due to WP:OUTING concerns |
Anassjerjawi | ? | 129 | 18 October 2015 | 16 August 2021 | Mentions they have a COI in relation to a warning for previous recreation of the EMHRM article. In the absence of that comment, I would not have included them in this list; there are other editors with a similar editing pattern that I dismissed as their focus wasn't sufficiently on EMHRM. Was warned about COI editing on the 17th of October, 2016. |
Emad Shehda | 3 | 3 | 17 August 2021 | 19 August 2021 | Evidence exists that they have a conflict of interest beyond editing pattern; not posting due to WP:OUTING concerns. Was partially warned about COI editing on the 21st of August, 2021 |
Salsabeel Zeineddin | 20 | 25 | 18 October 2015 | 25 September 2016 | Other 5 edits in user-space, mentions having a relation with EUHRM on their user page, was warned about COI editing on the 26th of October, 2015 |
NaraForRefugees | 5 | 7 | 14 May 2016 | 14 July 2016 | Other edits not in article-space |
There is an additional user with an unusual editing pattern that I feel is worthy of mention, though I am not confident that they have a COI with EUHRM
Wikipedian | EMHRM Edits | Total Edits | First Edit | Last Edit | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Salhudeena | 1 | 5 | 9 August 2021 | 9 August 2021 | The remaining four edits are extensive but unsourced BLP's in draft space; the two individuals covered do not appear to be notable on the basis of WP:BEFORE and the photographs of them are uploaded by the user with the copyright information stating "own work" |
From here, I am not sure to do. I would just politely point them in the direction of WP:COI as I did with Emad Shehda before I discovered the extent of the issue, but I don't feel that is appropriate any more; the organization as a whole has not heeded the COI warnings, and nor have the individuals who have been warned. Do you believe I should just leave the COI notifications, or should I formally bring this up somewhere (perhaps ANI), and if so could you give a little guidance on how to do so, as well as whether I should mention Salhudeena?
Apologies for any inconvenience this causes; its a long post to drop on your lap without warning - and thank you for any help you can provide. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for your work on this article! I wonder, do you think it would be appropriate to set up a disambiguation with Craig Johnston the rugby player? Sheijiashaojun ( talk) 11:28, 16 September 2021 (UTC)