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I reverted your edit not because I don't agree. Straight men do sometimes enjoy Yaoi but putting a citation tag where you did suggest gay men don't. Why not add straight men to the sentence rather than challenging that gay men also enjoy it.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 06:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, I noticed that you added information about Brazilian Portuguese speakers at Non-native pronunciations of English. Most of it was good, but there was one source that I saw didn't actually back up the claim (it was talking about Portuguese pronunciation, not how Portuguese speakers pronounce English). I can understand the logic of using this as a source, because second-language transfer leads to a lot of the characteristics of ESL speech. However, it would be original research to make this sort of inference.
I bring this up because I was wondering if another claim you added about vowels being pronounced with breathy voice was using this same logic. I'm unable to access the book cited, an introductory textbook called "Iniciação à Fonética e à Fonologia." If you still have access to this work, do you think you could you tell me if the source in question is talking about Portuguese or if it's talking about ESL speakers? — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 21:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
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Olá tudo bem? Eu observei uma edição sua em special:diff/677225695 com sumário dizendo How is "produced in the middle of the hard palate" not evidence for such?, eu vou respeitar a tua edição, no entanto eu gostaria de clarificar o que aquela dissertação de mestrado diz.
Aquela dissertação de mestrado que você citou, na página 18, diz que a articulação daqueles dois fonemas que ela chama de alveopalatais é a fricção que ocorre na parte medial do palato duro, conforme descrito na referência que ela usou, de autoria de sua professora orientadora (CRISTÓFARO-SILVA, 2001, p. 32) e pode-se baixar uma cópia neste link.
Tal fonte descreve a articulação desta forma:
Como eu lhe disse, eu vou respeitar a sua edição, eu passei aqui na sua PDU apenas para avisar que a sua própria fonte diz que o ponto de articulação dos fonemas /ch/ e /j/ e dos fonemas /nh/ /lh/ não é o mesmo, e também que em nenhuma parte da referência diz que há alguma coarticulação dorso-alveolar.
Até mais e boas contribuições.--Luizdl Talk 01:59, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
(Pardon me if I don't understand the issue, but I'll try to answer anyway:) the fact that some source claims that a sibilant is "produced in the middle of the hard palate" is not necessarily an evidence of it being alveolo-palatal. The only (or at least the main) difference between palato-alveolars and alveolo-palatals is the amount of rising of the dorsum towards the hard palate. Plus, palato-alveolars are also sometimes labelled alveolo-palatal ( Daniel Jones used that label to describe English palato-alveolars in at least one book), perhaps due to idiosyncratic vocabulary of some of the scholars.
My very limited experience with Brazilian Portuguese tells me that alveolo-palatals might very well be possible realizations of /ʃ, ʒ, t͡ʃ, d͡ʒ/, but I have no idea how widespread they are. I've certainly heard alveolo-palatals in European Portuguese, especially in coda. Peter238 ( talk) 18:22, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Srtª PiriLimPomPom. Please stop adding unreferenced material. I see that you have made quite a few edits where you added large sections of text that in accordance with Wikipedia rules constitute original research and personal opinion. I would also like to ask what your experience/ working knowledge is of the IPA. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 01:19, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi Srtª PiriLimPomPom, this is my last stab at this, then I am dropping this ball. You reply with lengthy responses to whatever issue is being raised but you simply do not address the central issue here: sources. You go on about the difficulty of finding sources, but nowhere do you explain where you find the information on which you base your transcriptions. Through discussions hereinabove, it it now clear that you 'create' these based on a set of 'guidelines' that you have made up for yourself. What I find troubling is that in one case you go to the extent of using a source, but applying your own interpretation and so changing the values provided in the source, because you don't agree with those. You do admit — directly or indirectly — in discussions here and elsewhere, that because of scarceness of sources you resort to making such modifications. All that I am intersted in is to know that the next time I come across an edit by you that 1.) you used relaible sources; 2.) you faithfully reflected what the source says, without adapting it to compensate for regional differences. in short, I do not want to have to suspect WP:OR at every turn. I look forward to engaging with you going forward. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 00:25, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
If there is one thing for which I have extremely low tolerance is when people make vague statements about what someone else has done in the hope of somehow making as if they are the ones in the wrong by decontextualising. So, no, I did not revert "an edit saying that the usual pronunciation for "Você está bom?" in Brazil is "Cê tá bom?"." I reverted more than that. In future, if you ever refer to anything that anyone has done or said, please provide a dif. That way, people can see exactly what is being discussed.
For the record, the text that I removed was this:
"Note that in Brazil and certain parts of Portuguese-speaking Africa, as well as in the equivalents to this verb found in Portuguese creole languages, the es- before all estar derivates is generally omitted in all colloquial speech, so that está is generally pronounced tá (e.g. Você está bom? [ˈse ˈta ˈbõ] "How are you? (m.)"). This is slightly substandard, but has ubiquitous use."
You can't just throw stuff out there like confetti on a bride, just because you happen to have that information at hand. That is trivia. It would be far more informative to present — with sources — how Portuguese retains both the /e/ and the /s/ in words such as "escriba", "escola", estudar"; whereas French dropped the /s/ and the Germanic languages dropped the /e/. The "estar" --> "tar" change is related to that. And I removed it for a number of reasons:
And I am done here. It is now only up to you to review your participation in the project. I do not get the feeling that you are taking any of this seriously. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 03:23, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Please see my call for comments here. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 12:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
The fact that the rest of the article has no sources is no excuse. Please read WP:SEWAGE and WP:OSE. And as you might have noticed, I have added a template to that effect. The article is in that state because people like you have for years been adding bucket loads of OR in articles away from the main spotlights. You are not the chief culprit in this case, but are a major contributor of OR content in quite a few other articles. In articles with a higher visibility and more involvement from other editors this sort of thing would have been stopped a long time ago. And you have been reminded of this quite a few times. Every edit has to conform to the five pillars, not to feeble excuses that the article is already bad enough. Don't pollute the pond. Finally, edit summaries are not a substitute for sources, so it is not the place to claim the validity of your edit. One last word — I have seen that when you want, especially yo prove a point, you are quite adept at finding brilliant sources. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 22:32, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
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As you did here. If the information is outdated, find a new source that confirms that. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 03:19, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
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I thought it likely that the University of Porto's corpus might not carry BP samples. The labiodental approximant might very well occur in BP, but we shouldn't claim it does (be it implicitly) unless we can verify it. — Lfdder ( talk) 03:10, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
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I reverted your edit not because I don't agree. Straight men do sometimes enjoy Yaoi but putting a citation tag where you did suggest gay men don't. Why not add straight men to the sentence rather than challenging that gay men also enjoy it.- Rainbowofpeace ( talk) 06:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, I noticed that you added information about Brazilian Portuguese speakers at Non-native pronunciations of English. Most of it was good, but there was one source that I saw didn't actually back up the claim (it was talking about Portuguese pronunciation, not how Portuguese speakers pronounce English). I can understand the logic of using this as a source, because second-language transfer leads to a lot of the characteristics of ESL speech. However, it would be original research to make this sort of inference.
I bring this up because I was wondering if another claim you added about vowels being pronounced with breathy voice was using this same logic. I'm unable to access the book cited, an introductory textbook called "Iniciação à Fonética e à Fonologia." If you still have access to this work, do you think you could you tell me if the source in question is talking about Portuguese or if it's talking about ESL speakers? — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 21:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
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Olá tudo bem? Eu observei uma edição sua em special:diff/677225695 com sumário dizendo How is "produced in the middle of the hard palate" not evidence for such?, eu vou respeitar a tua edição, no entanto eu gostaria de clarificar o que aquela dissertação de mestrado diz.
Aquela dissertação de mestrado que você citou, na página 18, diz que a articulação daqueles dois fonemas que ela chama de alveopalatais é a fricção que ocorre na parte medial do palato duro, conforme descrito na referência que ela usou, de autoria de sua professora orientadora (CRISTÓFARO-SILVA, 2001, p. 32) e pode-se baixar uma cópia neste link.
Tal fonte descreve a articulação desta forma:
Como eu lhe disse, eu vou respeitar a sua edição, eu passei aqui na sua PDU apenas para avisar que a sua própria fonte diz que o ponto de articulação dos fonemas /ch/ e /j/ e dos fonemas /nh/ /lh/ não é o mesmo, e também que em nenhuma parte da referência diz que há alguma coarticulação dorso-alveolar.
Até mais e boas contribuições.--Luizdl Talk 01:59, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
(Pardon me if I don't understand the issue, but I'll try to answer anyway:) the fact that some source claims that a sibilant is "produced in the middle of the hard palate" is not necessarily an evidence of it being alveolo-palatal. The only (or at least the main) difference between palato-alveolars and alveolo-palatals is the amount of rising of the dorsum towards the hard palate. Plus, palato-alveolars are also sometimes labelled alveolo-palatal ( Daniel Jones used that label to describe English palato-alveolars in at least one book), perhaps due to idiosyncratic vocabulary of some of the scholars.
My very limited experience with Brazilian Portuguese tells me that alveolo-palatals might very well be possible realizations of /ʃ, ʒ, t͡ʃ, d͡ʒ/, but I have no idea how widespread they are. I've certainly heard alveolo-palatals in European Portuguese, especially in coda. Peter238 ( talk) 18:22, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Srtª PiriLimPomPom. Please stop adding unreferenced material. I see that you have made quite a few edits where you added large sections of text that in accordance with Wikipedia rules constitute original research and personal opinion. I would also like to ask what your experience/ working knowledge is of the IPA. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 01:19, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi Srtª PiriLimPomPom, this is my last stab at this, then I am dropping this ball. You reply with lengthy responses to whatever issue is being raised but you simply do not address the central issue here: sources. You go on about the difficulty of finding sources, but nowhere do you explain where you find the information on which you base your transcriptions. Through discussions hereinabove, it it now clear that you 'create' these based on a set of 'guidelines' that you have made up for yourself. What I find troubling is that in one case you go to the extent of using a source, but applying your own interpretation and so changing the values provided in the source, because you don't agree with those. You do admit — directly or indirectly — in discussions here and elsewhere, that because of scarceness of sources you resort to making such modifications. All that I am intersted in is to know that the next time I come across an edit by you that 1.) you used relaible sources; 2.) you faithfully reflected what the source says, without adapting it to compensate for regional differences. in short, I do not want to have to suspect WP:OR at every turn. I look forward to engaging with you going forward. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 00:25, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
If there is one thing for which I have extremely low tolerance is when people make vague statements about what someone else has done in the hope of somehow making as if they are the ones in the wrong by decontextualising. So, no, I did not revert "an edit saying that the usual pronunciation for "Você está bom?" in Brazil is "Cê tá bom?"." I reverted more than that. In future, if you ever refer to anything that anyone has done or said, please provide a dif. That way, people can see exactly what is being discussed.
For the record, the text that I removed was this:
"Note that in Brazil and certain parts of Portuguese-speaking Africa, as well as in the equivalents to this verb found in Portuguese creole languages, the es- before all estar derivates is generally omitted in all colloquial speech, so that está is generally pronounced tá (e.g. Você está bom? [ˈse ˈta ˈbõ] "How are you? (m.)"). This is slightly substandard, but has ubiquitous use."
You can't just throw stuff out there like confetti on a bride, just because you happen to have that information at hand. That is trivia. It would be far more informative to present — with sources — how Portuguese retains both the /e/ and the /s/ in words such as "escriba", "escola", estudar"; whereas French dropped the /s/ and the Germanic languages dropped the /e/. The "estar" --> "tar" change is related to that. And I removed it for a number of reasons:
And I am done here. It is now only up to you to review your participation in the project. I do not get the feeling that you are taking any of this seriously. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 03:23, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Please see my call for comments here. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 12:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
The fact that the rest of the article has no sources is no excuse. Please read WP:SEWAGE and WP:OSE. And as you might have noticed, I have added a template to that effect. The article is in that state because people like you have for years been adding bucket loads of OR in articles away from the main spotlights. You are not the chief culprit in this case, but are a major contributor of OR content in quite a few other articles. In articles with a higher visibility and more involvement from other editors this sort of thing would have been stopped a long time ago. And you have been reminded of this quite a few times. Every edit has to conform to the five pillars, not to feeble excuses that the article is already bad enough. Don't pollute the pond. Finally, edit summaries are not a substitute for sources, so it is not the place to claim the validity of your edit. One last word — I have seen that when you want, especially yo prove a point, you are quite adept at finding brilliant sources. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 22:32, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, I saw your edits at R-colored vowel, and I don't have reason to believe or disbelieve what you added is accurate, but can you please provide some reliable sources? Otherwise it would fall under original research and must be removed. Thanks. Nardog ( talk) 02:13, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
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As you did here. If the information is outdated, find a new source that confirms that. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 03:19, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
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