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I asked for a basic source on the title on the article because the whole article seems Original research. That's why I asked for a basic source where the term "Catalan supremacism" is used, otherwise, I'd add the template "No original research" to the article. I've done a quick research myself via Google Scholar and all I could find it was one an only mention here, where is not even a theory of an author, but a sentence in a telegram between to persons. That's why I invite you to document the whole title of the article, adding sources where the term "Catalan supremacism" is being used in research or proper history papers. Thanks-- ÀlexHinojo ( talk) 20:46, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Catalan supremacism. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as " edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.
If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Alexbrn ( talk) 10:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Catalan supremacism is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catalan supremacism until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Icewhiz ( talk) 11:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello Sonrisas1, and welcome to Wikipedia. All or some of your addition(s) to Catalan supremacism have been removed, as they appear to have added copyrighted material without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues here.
It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa 🍁 ( talk) 22:24, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Diannaa Yeah, I was going to contact wikicommons about it myself and delete it if it was against policy. What do you think about this file. Does it have a copyright? I assumed it didn't require one since it is cropped from an organization which doesn't exist anymore and has no copyright holder as far as I'm aware. I looked around wikicommons for similar cases and found comparable ones called "own work", that is why I proceeded that way. Note it was my first upload, and it was in good faith. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 05:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Political prisoners in Spain is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political prisoners in Spain until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Scolaire ( talk) 09:08, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
I see on your user page that you intend to create a second account, solely for the purpose of having a second Sandbox. You don't need to. You can have as many sandboxes as you want, as long as they all begin with "User:Sonrisas1/".
Hey presto! There's your new sandbox. Scolaire ( talk) 10:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Aha! Thanks Scolaire! Sonrisas1 ( talk) 10:32, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to 2017 Barcelona anti-independence demonstrations, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please remove the article maintenance templates only when the issue has been resolved. A good tip, when creating an article, is to use your sandbox to build up the article and move it to main space only when the article is in a good condition. Thanks for editing and once again please remove the tags only when you have fixed the problem. Vasemmistolainen ( talk) 10:49, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Can I suggest that you change "Delete or Move" to "Delete or Move to 'Political prisoners in Francoist Spain'"? I only said "move" because I was commenting immediately under Calthinus's post, but yours is up near the top, so it might not be clear to contributors or to the closer what you are referring to. Scolaire ( talk) 14:48, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Im not sure I can do anything anymore on wikipedia for the time being. My right click button has stopped functioning. Wouldn't that be equivalent of voting twice though? Sonrisas1 ( talk) 14:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Sonrisas1, since you haven't gotten a proper welcome so far, I wanted to be the first: Welcome to Wikipedia!
Thank you for your contributions, especially to articles related to Catalonia. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
You may also want to complete the Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive tour that will help you learn the basics of editing Wikipedia. You can visit the Teahouse to ask questions or seek help.
I noticed you asked about referencing and citations: a core policy of Wikipedia is to maintain a neutral point of view, and to ensure that all content is verifiable through the use of citations to reliable sources. There are some templates you can check out, like {{ cite book}} and {{ cite web}} which will help you create clean, accurate there are others, as well. Keep in mind that all content on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable, and any unsourced material can be challenged, and removed by anyone; the best way to avoid that, is with the liberal use of citations.
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or , and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome, and I hope you enjoy it here, and decide to stay! Mathglot ( talk) 05:41, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Seriously, you need to remove that copyrighted material from the talk page. As I said there, leaving a few key sentences would be all right. If you really want me to delete it for you, you'll need to ask me here, and if you ask me to delete it I won't leave anything. But please, don't do it again now that you've been warned. I've seen people being indefinitely blocked for that. Scolaire ( talk) 15:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Scolaire Ok just delete it if you like. Its in the history anyways so can be recovered for future use. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 15:11, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
I have no personal connection to Spain or Catalonia. I have some academic background in ethno-nationalist politics, but I don't really have an opinion here, and I was pointed to these deletion discussions by a noticeboard post. I have some experience editing controversial topic areas, and I can tell you from personal experience that you are not going to accomplish anything if you continue to defend the indefensible and attack other editors. You mentioned that you are relatively new, and I think that you might benefit a lot if you edited a less controversial topic area for a while you learn the ropes of Wikipedia - if nothing else, this could demonstrate to other editors that you aren't a single issue editor. The Catalonia articles will still be here when you get back. I'm not judging or casting stones here, because I have been in the same position you're in, but the path you're on either leads to endless conflict at best or a topic ban at worst. Nblund talk 00:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Nblund All I request is, if, as you say, you are neutral on this topic, spend more time using Google translate and investigating sources. The combination of POV editors (perhaps not you) and sloppy ones who take their opinion for granted is highly destructive. Any statement I make I invite you to investigate it. I will leave this topic for now, Asqueladd has proposed the same (see below). Sonrisas1 ( talk) 13:01, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
I think you are pretty close to a "beating a dead horse situation", while you are adopting a mildly confrontational stance (not without reason, I might add) that might unfortunately get you blocked ( Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass). There are more options! I see you are wisely investing time in the Racism in Spain article. Aside from developing the later, you have a plethora of individual biographical articles left to create and develop about the topic (about the topic of a racialist discourse I see you are interested, I am too!), as well as of other "untouched" and "interesting" features of Catalan Nationalism. Sorry again for the patronizing. Regards.-- Asqueladd ( talk) 01:02, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Asqueladd, yes you are right. That was my last edit on the discussion. Thanks. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 08:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
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ferret (
talk)
18:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)ferret Why have you blocked me and not Panotxa when I am the one who has disengaged from the edit war and who has not violated 3RR? Very strange. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 17:48, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sonrisas. Thank you for your recent edits to Catalan independence movement. Can I remind you, though, of this conversation, when you promised to expand your references in the future? I have done it for you on this occasion. The link you added, however, seems to go to a page of headlines. This presents two problems. First, none of what you added is actually to be found in the headlines; presumably it is in one or more of the stories. Second, The content of the page itself changes constantly as more news stories are added and older ones removed. Can you be more precise about which stories you are referencing? Arrimadas logra un claro liderazgo del bloque constitucionalista sin posibilidad de gobernar, for instance, has the content about Arrimadas and Ciudadanos, though not about other things that you added.
Yes you are right User:Scolaire and thanks for linking it for me. Very lazy of me. I'll memorize the process and do it properly down the line. Ill try to link it specific articles too, hadnt noticed that it was a changing page. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 16:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
This is not the proper way to revert a merge conducted accordingly to WP:MERGE, as you're doing in 2017 Barcelona anti-independence demonstrations. In your latest edit summary, you argue that this was a "drastic decision based on 3 votes". Yet I remind you that MERGE does not require an enormous quantity of votes for the merge to proceed (i.e. just the merger proposal is older than 30 days and nobody has objected, as long as there's a clear consensus). The three votes were all for merging, and the merging was based on policy. You even participated in the discussion and did not oppose such a merge, despite you being so far the only major contributor in such a page. No one else posted for more than 30 days (not even you), so the merge was due and conducted according to established proceedings. Now you say you object the merge and keep reverting it (despite that not being the way to challenge a merge).
If you want to challenge the merging, and as per
WP:MERGECLOSE, a new discussion can be held if a page gets merged and someone later objects. Merges can be easily reversed if a consensus is formed against it shortly after it was performed
. That's the way to proceed, not wildly keeping reverting a valid merge. Cheers.
Impru20 (
talk)
14:03, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
In reply to
this, the answer is that Ciudadanos is the proper forum for discussing whether there should or should not be a section in Ciudadanos. I read the Ciudadanos talk page, and I saw that you made
this comment immediately before you opened the new thread at Catalan independence movement. In other words you opened that thread just to make a point, which is against
WP:POINT.
What you need to do is go to
Talk:Citizens (Spanish political party), open a new section, call it "Request for comment", then underneath the heading type {{rfc|pol}}, and under that, "Should the 'Alternative Views' section be removed?" and ~~~~. Nothing more. You can say why you believe it should in the polling section underneath. Then ping users who have constructively edited the article, such as Mélencron and Impru20. Other ways of publicising the RfC can be found at
WP:Requests for comment#Publicizing an RfC, such as notifying the
Spanish,
Catalan and
Politics WikiProjects (provide a link to the RfC, and a brief statement, but do not argue the RfC). Then you can have the discussion where it belongs, and just let the discussion on the other page drop. Good luck.
Scolaire (
talk)
15:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
I need to notify you of this. Cheers. CodeInconnu ( talk) 17:02, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is at Sonrisas1 disrupting a talk page to make a point. I'm sorry to have to do that, but after all my offers of advice and help you chose to escalate the dispute at Talk:Catalan independence movement. That is not acceptable. Scolaire ( talk) 11:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello! Sonrisas1,
you are invited to the
Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us!
DoctorG
(talk)
17:44, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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I asked for a basic source on the title on the article because the whole article seems Original research. That's why I asked for a basic source where the term "Catalan supremacism" is used, otherwise, I'd add the template "No original research" to the article. I've done a quick research myself via Google Scholar and all I could find it was one an only mention here, where is not even a theory of an author, but a sentence in a telegram between to persons. That's why I invite you to document the whole title of the article, adding sources where the term "Catalan supremacism" is being used in research or proper history papers. Thanks-- ÀlexHinojo ( talk) 20:46, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Catalan supremacism. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as " edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.
If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Alexbrn ( talk) 10:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Catalan supremacism is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catalan supremacism until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Icewhiz ( talk) 11:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello Sonrisas1, and welcome to Wikipedia. All or some of your addition(s) to Catalan supremacism have been removed, as they appear to have added copyrighted material without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues here.
It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa 🍁 ( talk) 22:24, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Diannaa Yeah, I was going to contact wikicommons about it myself and delete it if it was against policy. What do you think about this file. Does it have a copyright? I assumed it didn't require one since it is cropped from an organization which doesn't exist anymore and has no copyright holder as far as I'm aware. I looked around wikicommons for similar cases and found comparable ones called "own work", that is why I proceeded that way. Note it was my first upload, and it was in good faith. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 05:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Political prisoners in Spain is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political prisoners in Spain until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Scolaire ( talk) 09:08, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
I see on your user page that you intend to create a second account, solely for the purpose of having a second Sandbox. You don't need to. You can have as many sandboxes as you want, as long as they all begin with "User:Sonrisas1/".
Hey presto! There's your new sandbox. Scolaire ( talk) 10:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Aha! Thanks Scolaire! Sonrisas1 ( talk) 10:32, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to 2017 Barcelona anti-independence demonstrations, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please remove the article maintenance templates only when the issue has been resolved. A good tip, when creating an article, is to use your sandbox to build up the article and move it to main space only when the article is in a good condition. Thanks for editing and once again please remove the tags only when you have fixed the problem. Vasemmistolainen ( talk) 10:49, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Can I suggest that you change "Delete or Move" to "Delete or Move to 'Political prisoners in Francoist Spain'"? I only said "move" because I was commenting immediately under Calthinus's post, but yours is up near the top, so it might not be clear to contributors or to the closer what you are referring to. Scolaire ( talk) 14:48, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Im not sure I can do anything anymore on wikipedia for the time being. My right click button has stopped functioning. Wouldn't that be equivalent of voting twice though? Sonrisas1 ( talk) 14:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Sonrisas1, since you haven't gotten a proper welcome so far, I wanted to be the first: Welcome to Wikipedia!
Thank you for your contributions, especially to articles related to Catalonia. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
You may also want to complete the Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive tour that will help you learn the basics of editing Wikipedia. You can visit the Teahouse to ask questions or seek help.
I noticed you asked about referencing and citations: a core policy of Wikipedia is to maintain a neutral point of view, and to ensure that all content is verifiable through the use of citations to reliable sources. There are some templates you can check out, like {{ cite book}} and {{ cite web}} which will help you create clean, accurate there are others, as well. Keep in mind that all content on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable, and any unsourced material can be challenged, and removed by anyone; the best way to avoid that, is with the liberal use of citations.
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or , and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome, and I hope you enjoy it here, and decide to stay! Mathglot ( talk) 05:41, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Seriously, you need to remove that copyrighted material from the talk page. As I said there, leaving a few key sentences would be all right. If you really want me to delete it for you, you'll need to ask me here, and if you ask me to delete it I won't leave anything. But please, don't do it again now that you've been warned. I've seen people being indefinitely blocked for that. Scolaire ( talk) 15:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Scolaire Ok just delete it if you like. Its in the history anyways so can be recovered for future use. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 15:11, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
I have no personal connection to Spain or Catalonia. I have some academic background in ethno-nationalist politics, but I don't really have an opinion here, and I was pointed to these deletion discussions by a noticeboard post. I have some experience editing controversial topic areas, and I can tell you from personal experience that you are not going to accomplish anything if you continue to defend the indefensible and attack other editors. You mentioned that you are relatively new, and I think that you might benefit a lot if you edited a less controversial topic area for a while you learn the ropes of Wikipedia - if nothing else, this could demonstrate to other editors that you aren't a single issue editor. The Catalonia articles will still be here when you get back. I'm not judging or casting stones here, because I have been in the same position you're in, but the path you're on either leads to endless conflict at best or a topic ban at worst. Nblund talk 00:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Nblund All I request is, if, as you say, you are neutral on this topic, spend more time using Google translate and investigating sources. The combination of POV editors (perhaps not you) and sloppy ones who take their opinion for granted is highly destructive. Any statement I make I invite you to investigate it. I will leave this topic for now, Asqueladd has proposed the same (see below). Sonrisas1 ( talk) 13:01, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
I think you are pretty close to a "beating a dead horse situation", while you are adopting a mildly confrontational stance (not without reason, I might add) that might unfortunately get you blocked ( Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass). There are more options! I see you are wisely investing time in the Racism in Spain article. Aside from developing the later, you have a plethora of individual biographical articles left to create and develop about the topic (about the topic of a racialist discourse I see you are interested, I am too!), as well as of other "untouched" and "interesting" features of Catalan Nationalism. Sorry again for the patronizing. Regards.-- Asqueladd ( talk) 01:02, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Asqueladd, yes you are right. That was my last edit on the discussion. Thanks. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 08:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
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ferret (
talk)
18:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)ferret Why have you blocked me and not Panotxa when I am the one who has disengaged from the edit war and who has not violated 3RR? Very strange. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 17:48, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sonrisas. Thank you for your recent edits to Catalan independence movement. Can I remind you, though, of this conversation, when you promised to expand your references in the future? I have done it for you on this occasion. The link you added, however, seems to go to a page of headlines. This presents two problems. First, none of what you added is actually to be found in the headlines; presumably it is in one or more of the stories. Second, The content of the page itself changes constantly as more news stories are added and older ones removed. Can you be more precise about which stories you are referencing? Arrimadas logra un claro liderazgo del bloque constitucionalista sin posibilidad de gobernar, for instance, has the content about Arrimadas and Ciudadanos, though not about other things that you added.
Yes you are right User:Scolaire and thanks for linking it for me. Very lazy of me. I'll memorize the process and do it properly down the line. Ill try to link it specific articles too, hadnt noticed that it was a changing page. Sonrisas1 ( talk) 16:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
This is not the proper way to revert a merge conducted accordingly to WP:MERGE, as you're doing in 2017 Barcelona anti-independence demonstrations. In your latest edit summary, you argue that this was a "drastic decision based on 3 votes". Yet I remind you that MERGE does not require an enormous quantity of votes for the merge to proceed (i.e. just the merger proposal is older than 30 days and nobody has objected, as long as there's a clear consensus). The three votes were all for merging, and the merging was based on policy. You even participated in the discussion and did not oppose such a merge, despite you being so far the only major contributor in such a page. No one else posted for more than 30 days (not even you), so the merge was due and conducted according to established proceedings. Now you say you object the merge and keep reverting it (despite that not being the way to challenge a merge).
If you want to challenge the merging, and as per
WP:MERGECLOSE, a new discussion can be held if a page gets merged and someone later objects. Merges can be easily reversed if a consensus is formed against it shortly after it was performed
. That's the way to proceed, not wildly keeping reverting a valid merge. Cheers.
Impru20 (
talk)
14:03, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
In reply to
this, the answer is that Ciudadanos is the proper forum for discussing whether there should or should not be a section in Ciudadanos. I read the Ciudadanos talk page, and I saw that you made
this comment immediately before you opened the new thread at Catalan independence movement. In other words you opened that thread just to make a point, which is against
WP:POINT.
What you need to do is go to
Talk:Citizens (Spanish political party), open a new section, call it "Request for comment", then underneath the heading type {{rfc|pol}}, and under that, "Should the 'Alternative Views' section be removed?" and ~~~~. Nothing more. You can say why you believe it should in the polling section underneath. Then ping users who have constructively edited the article, such as Mélencron and Impru20. Other ways of publicising the RfC can be found at
WP:Requests for comment#Publicizing an RfC, such as notifying the
Spanish,
Catalan and
Politics WikiProjects (provide a link to the RfC, and a brief statement, but do not argue the RfC). Then you can have the discussion where it belongs, and just let the discussion on the other page drop. Good luck.
Scolaire (
talk)
15:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
I need to notify you of this. Cheers. CodeInconnu ( talk) 17:02, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is at Sonrisas1 disrupting a talk page to make a point. I'm sorry to have to do that, but after all my offers of advice and help you chose to escalate the dispute at Talk:Catalan independence movement. That is not acceptable. Scolaire ( talk) 11:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)