As a newbie I would like to ask your advice about obtaining images of paintings. I've seen Olga's Galery and http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html WEB GALLERY OF ART as sources. Can we copy from these sites without a problem? Do we have to provide links on the pages of the painters? A second question: would you like the classification of art-periods like Category:Renaissance art to be as comprehensive as possible or would you prefer that only the most outstanding painters get these categories? Pethan 15:30, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
i am developing an email request letter to send to publishers asking to use 72 dpi scans from their books for wikipedia. the first place i sent one to sent me a reply that their permission office was closed for two weeks. There will be more attemps. Thanks for the Munson pics. The copyright for the shot of her looking out the window, for example, is held by Neal P. Graffy Photographic Collection, about whom I intend to learn more. Carptrash 20:56, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with identifying Monument Valley. I'm going to upload an annotated version, the work-in-progress version of which is at [1]. Before I update it proper, I'd appreciate your comments. Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I defer to you on this one. I'm familiar with Breughel in a very general sense (I do love his work), and when I saw the question at the help desk, I noticed the questioner called him Breugel. I thought "hmmm, did I have the spelling wrong?" and checked the article...the title seemed to bear me out. So I thought I'd fix the captions while I was at it. It seems to me that it would be better for the article to call him "Pieter Breughel the Elder" for the sake of consistency with the title, but I do see your point about his name change. I haven't checked our practice on an article like Muhammad Ali to see how he's referred to, given his famous name change. If you think there is a useful distinction to be made there, by all means, revert my edits. :-) I just find it confusing to operate with two spellings for a last name within one article, but if it appears to be a conscious change on Pieter the Elder's part, and not merely a consequence of the loose attitude to spelling in that time period, then it does make sense. Sorry to have caused the trouble, although of course any trouble I may cause is merely the chaos you choose to will within your universe of one, in which case perhaps no apology is necessary. Peace. Jwrosenzweig 20:42, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I am almost certain that chess is the most played game in the world. It would be highly difficult, if not impossible, to determine the number of chess boards sold in the world. Perhaps Guinness only counts those games under the control of individual companies. If, however, you deem fit, I would not object to reinstating the phrase "best selling game." -- Emsworth 20:43, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
From experience, I know that Andy Mabbett is a user who holds firm opinions and defends them vigorously, though not always through discussion. For example, he ignored comments on the talk page and arbitrarily reverted to his chosen version on Richard John Bingham, 7th Earl of Lucan, without so much as a reply to the comments of others. But at present, I advise you that your dispute with him is not personal: it only concerns a particular category. Therefore, I think that "Article content disputes" would be the correct venue for dispute resolution. "Comment about individual users" concerns general user conduct, rather than conduct relating to a specific article or category. Therefore, it would be, in my opinion, inappropriate to use the individual users section. If Mabbett still ignores consensus, one may personalise the dispute, moving either to "Comment about individual users" or to Mediation. -- Emsworth 14:01, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After spending some wonderful time here, I have started to wonder about the fundamentals of art categorisation. One should start at the top, I think, to get it right. In the Category:Arts you find cinema, architecture etc. while in Category:Art painting, photography and others are located. These artforms should be on the same level, I think. So I am contemplating to propose reorganising Category:Arts so the different artforms, including Category:Literature are to be found there. Every artform can have roughly the same subcategorisation. I'm working on a scheme that can incorporate all the good subcategories that are in existence. Do you think that is too much to take on for a new user like me? Pethan 19:47, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Art is art. Visual art is visual art. Category_talk:Art_movements: "If you want a list of visual art please call it [a list of] visual art." Right now the categorization indicates that music is not art. This doesn't seem like the best plan to me. Hyacinth 21:44, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I would really like some help on the Architecture front, would like to recategorise it under society or culture on the main page but have no idea how to go about it, the definition of architecture could also use a bit of life. My entry in Architectural History also seems a bit limp and abstract, any pointers?
Hi. I heeded some suggestions on parentheses. Anything else I can do to make the page better?-- Siva 02:07, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC) (I'll continue to comb through the page for literary faults.)
Hey man. I see you are also having, ahem, discussions with user PigsOnTheWing. He just doesn't want to discuss edits. I'm not sure what to say. I wouldn't be so concerned if going back through his talk page wasn't a litany of people complaining at unnecessary and strange categorizations and getting terse or strange answers, if any. Maybe you have some ideas. Sorry if this is not a forum for complaining. I'm trying not to escalate this largely irrelevant matter. MDCore 20:46, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the link to Category talk:Art. I'm taking a wiki-break at the moment, but I'll try to catch up and join in when I'm back for real. -- Zigger 17:46, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)
I appreciate the fact that you asked me to step in on that edit war. Please don't hesitate to drop me a line if there's anything else that you fell I can help you with. - Lucky 6.9 00:18, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for your considerate and considered words. Regards, Ancheta Wis 12:53, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
re: Hume - I still disagree with his placement on the atheist list, but those who are for it seem far more adament about it than me, so I'm not too inclined to pursue it anymore. Maybe there could be an "ambiguous" section on the page? -- 05:29, 23 Aug 2004 Simoes
You may be interested in a last-ditch attempt to save User:Pgreenfinch's endangered article European Union Olympic medals count for 2004 which is on a subpage page of VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/European Union Olympic medals count for 2004. Because this is a subpage it may not be noticed by those scanning the regular VfD page. Recent votes to keep appear to be sock-puppets or people who have become users only to support this article. You may wish to add your vote or comments or both. Jallan 13:26, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your feedback on the Egyptian pyramids article. I've changed the name as per your suggestion, and as soon as I figure out which copyright tag is appropriate I intend tagging the photographs associated with the article - I can't for the life of me see which tag is the right one for a "copyrighted, but owner says we can use it" situation. When I clean the article up a bit further I'll certainly put it up for peer review. I do however think it important to retain all the content within 1 article - as you identified in your comments, the strength of the article is its "compare & contrast" overview of a unique architectural phenomenon that evolved over a long period of time. -- Gene_poole 04:03, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Howdy again. Concerning the copyright business on the photographs on Egyptian pyramids, the copyright owner basically said "no problemo" when I asked to use them; he didn't place any conditions on our use of the images, but asked nicely if we'd include links to his site. He did not specifically state any objection to their use by other third parties, and obviously the images themselves are already in the public domain. Would you read that as a "fair use" scenario? -- Gene_poole 02:40, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. I just want to ensure that a decent policy comes out of all this (if it hasn't already - I need to do seem reading on the various category pages, I've been offline a few days). Having now read the various discussions around GLBT etc I am now feeling a bit calmer: I am just miffed that I missed out on the chance to defend my babies.
I suppose it's just that I don't normally do things that rub people up the wrong way, and now here I am with 3 categories that people seem to feel are unacceptable. I hope I can chalk it up to categories being a fairly new phenomenon and perhaps I was slow to pick up how they should be used... but it is fairly embarrassing on the day Theresa Knott asks if I want to be nominated for adminship ;o) (I think I'll delay on that for a while...) --[[User:Bodnotbod| bodnotbod » .....TALKQuietly)]] 22:26, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)
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I feel dreadful about the above article, I wish I had never listed it, I don't have a clue what to do with photographs, so I was not criticising your efforts, or a least I did not mean offence, just that poor old 'Carptrash' is going to wake up in America tomorrow morning, with everyone criticising his article and its all my fault - If I had a sword I would fall on it Giano 13:49, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thankyou - people being nice makes me feel worse! Giano 14:07, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Howdy. I just got some more invites in - do you still want one? blankfaze | (беседа!) 05:36, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hi Solipsist. Edits from 80.4.5.165 have now been reattributed to you. Regards — Kate Turner | Talk 05:44, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)
As a newbie I would like to ask your advice about obtaining images of paintings. I've seen Olga's Galery and http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html WEB GALLERY OF ART as sources. Can we copy from these sites without a problem? Do we have to provide links on the pages of the painters? A second question: would you like the classification of art-periods like Category:Renaissance art to be as comprehensive as possible or would you prefer that only the most outstanding painters get these categories? Pethan 15:30, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
i am developing an email request letter to send to publishers asking to use 72 dpi scans from their books for wikipedia. the first place i sent one to sent me a reply that their permission office was closed for two weeks. There will be more attemps. Thanks for the Munson pics. The copyright for the shot of her looking out the window, for example, is held by Neal P. Graffy Photographic Collection, about whom I intend to learn more. Carptrash 20:56, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with identifying Monument Valley. I'm going to upload an annotated version, the work-in-progress version of which is at [1]. Before I update it proper, I'd appreciate your comments. Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I defer to you on this one. I'm familiar with Breughel in a very general sense (I do love his work), and when I saw the question at the help desk, I noticed the questioner called him Breugel. I thought "hmmm, did I have the spelling wrong?" and checked the article...the title seemed to bear me out. So I thought I'd fix the captions while I was at it. It seems to me that it would be better for the article to call him "Pieter Breughel the Elder" for the sake of consistency with the title, but I do see your point about his name change. I haven't checked our practice on an article like Muhammad Ali to see how he's referred to, given his famous name change. If you think there is a useful distinction to be made there, by all means, revert my edits. :-) I just find it confusing to operate with two spellings for a last name within one article, but if it appears to be a conscious change on Pieter the Elder's part, and not merely a consequence of the loose attitude to spelling in that time period, then it does make sense. Sorry to have caused the trouble, although of course any trouble I may cause is merely the chaos you choose to will within your universe of one, in which case perhaps no apology is necessary. Peace. Jwrosenzweig 20:42, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I am almost certain that chess is the most played game in the world. It would be highly difficult, if not impossible, to determine the number of chess boards sold in the world. Perhaps Guinness only counts those games under the control of individual companies. If, however, you deem fit, I would not object to reinstating the phrase "best selling game." -- Emsworth 20:43, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
From experience, I know that Andy Mabbett is a user who holds firm opinions and defends them vigorously, though not always through discussion. For example, he ignored comments on the talk page and arbitrarily reverted to his chosen version on Richard John Bingham, 7th Earl of Lucan, without so much as a reply to the comments of others. But at present, I advise you that your dispute with him is not personal: it only concerns a particular category. Therefore, I think that "Article content disputes" would be the correct venue for dispute resolution. "Comment about individual users" concerns general user conduct, rather than conduct relating to a specific article or category. Therefore, it would be, in my opinion, inappropriate to use the individual users section. If Mabbett still ignores consensus, one may personalise the dispute, moving either to "Comment about individual users" or to Mediation. -- Emsworth 14:01, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
After spending some wonderful time here, I have started to wonder about the fundamentals of art categorisation. One should start at the top, I think, to get it right. In the Category:Arts you find cinema, architecture etc. while in Category:Art painting, photography and others are located. These artforms should be on the same level, I think. So I am contemplating to propose reorganising Category:Arts so the different artforms, including Category:Literature are to be found there. Every artform can have roughly the same subcategorisation. I'm working on a scheme that can incorporate all the good subcategories that are in existence. Do you think that is too much to take on for a new user like me? Pethan 19:47, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Art is art. Visual art is visual art. Category_talk:Art_movements: "If you want a list of visual art please call it [a list of] visual art." Right now the categorization indicates that music is not art. This doesn't seem like the best plan to me. Hyacinth 21:44, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I would really like some help on the Architecture front, would like to recategorise it under society or culture on the main page but have no idea how to go about it, the definition of architecture could also use a bit of life. My entry in Architectural History also seems a bit limp and abstract, any pointers?
Hi. I heeded some suggestions on parentheses. Anything else I can do to make the page better?-- Siva 02:07, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC) (I'll continue to comb through the page for literary faults.)
Hey man. I see you are also having, ahem, discussions with user PigsOnTheWing. He just doesn't want to discuss edits. I'm not sure what to say. I wouldn't be so concerned if going back through his talk page wasn't a litany of people complaining at unnecessary and strange categorizations and getting terse or strange answers, if any. Maybe you have some ideas. Sorry if this is not a forum for complaining. I'm trying not to escalate this largely irrelevant matter. MDCore 20:46, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the link to Category talk:Art. I'm taking a wiki-break at the moment, but I'll try to catch up and join in when I'm back for real. -- Zigger 17:46, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)
I appreciate the fact that you asked me to step in on that edit war. Please don't hesitate to drop me a line if there's anything else that you fell I can help you with. - Lucky 6.9 00:18, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for your considerate and considered words. Regards, Ancheta Wis 12:53, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
re: Hume - I still disagree with his placement on the atheist list, but those who are for it seem far more adament about it than me, so I'm not too inclined to pursue it anymore. Maybe there could be an "ambiguous" section on the page? -- 05:29, 23 Aug 2004 Simoes
You may be interested in a last-ditch attempt to save User:Pgreenfinch's endangered article European Union Olympic medals count for 2004 which is on a subpage page of VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/European Union Olympic medals count for 2004. Because this is a subpage it may not be noticed by those scanning the regular VfD page. Recent votes to keep appear to be sock-puppets or people who have become users only to support this article. You may wish to add your vote or comments or both. Jallan 13:26, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your feedback on the Egyptian pyramids article. I've changed the name as per your suggestion, and as soon as I figure out which copyright tag is appropriate I intend tagging the photographs associated with the article - I can't for the life of me see which tag is the right one for a "copyrighted, but owner says we can use it" situation. When I clean the article up a bit further I'll certainly put it up for peer review. I do however think it important to retain all the content within 1 article - as you identified in your comments, the strength of the article is its "compare & contrast" overview of a unique architectural phenomenon that evolved over a long period of time. -- Gene_poole 04:03, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Howdy again. Concerning the copyright business on the photographs on Egyptian pyramids, the copyright owner basically said "no problemo" when I asked to use them; he didn't place any conditions on our use of the images, but asked nicely if we'd include links to his site. He did not specifically state any objection to their use by other third parties, and obviously the images themselves are already in the public domain. Would you read that as a "fair use" scenario? -- Gene_poole 02:40, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. I just want to ensure that a decent policy comes out of all this (if it hasn't already - I need to do seem reading on the various category pages, I've been offline a few days). Having now read the various discussions around GLBT etc I am now feeling a bit calmer: I am just miffed that I missed out on the chance to defend my babies.
I suppose it's just that I don't normally do things that rub people up the wrong way, and now here I am with 3 categories that people seem to feel are unacceptable. I hope I can chalk it up to categories being a fairly new phenomenon and perhaps I was slow to pick up how they should be used... but it is fairly embarrassing on the day Theresa Knott asks if I want to be nominated for adminship ;o) (I think I'll delay on that for a while...) --[[User:Bodnotbod| bodnotbod » .....TALKQuietly)]] 22:26, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Congratulations, you win a Gmail invite! Could you email me (through Wikipedia email, if you wish) your email address and first and last names? I need to input those to give you the invitation. I will then put through the invitation when the Gmail site starts working again (it is down at the moment). - Mark 08:07, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I feel dreadful about the above article, I wish I had never listed it, I don't have a clue what to do with photographs, so I was not criticising your efforts, or a least I did not mean offence, just that poor old 'Carptrash' is going to wake up in America tomorrow morning, with everyone criticising his article and its all my fault - If I had a sword I would fall on it Giano 13:49, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thankyou - people being nice makes me feel worse! Giano 14:07, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Howdy. I just got some more invites in - do you still want one? blankfaze | (беседа!) 05:36, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hi Solipsist. Edits from 80.4.5.165 have now been reattributed to you. Regards — Kate Turner | Talk 05:44, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)