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I'm a regular mediator on the dispute resolution noticeboard, where I see you are currently involved in a content dispute with another editor. I've been watching the thread in question for some time, and even though the DRN mediator who has chosen to be involved ( User:Guy Macon) seems to be doing an admirable job, I've noticed that you're starting to get a little frustrated in places. That's perfectly understandable. I don't know if anyone took into account the fact that you've only been registered on Wikipedia for about a week, so I thought I'd drop by your talk page and see if I can help you understand a few things. First, I highly suggest that you read the links provided above; they're the most basic instructions for editing on the project. However, I think you would also benefit by reading Wikipedia's version of "Keep Calm and Carry On" - it has a few tips that should help keep you from getting frustrated. You might also want to take a look at this page, which has advice for how to deal with particularly difficult editors. And, when it comes down to it, just remember that Wikipedia doesn't have a deadline. If you need to just edit other areas of the project or even just take a little break, that's fine too.
Also, try not to take anything anyone says personally; even if you disagree with them, they're all just trying to improve the encyclopedia. And just remember, I (and others) am here to help if you need me.
Again, welcome! Sleddog116 ( talk) 15:27, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. 'Starting to get a little frustrated in places' might well be the understatement of the century. While I can understand how many of the issues that I have been accused of can crop up and the need for such measures, it seems absurd and ridiculous for these things to apply to what is essentially changing a handful of numbers. It's blowing my mind that this argument is still continuing, and what little support has been provided for the opposing viewpoint. I'm sure I've made edits here and there, and I appear to have had this account long before a week ago, it was just unused, but I try to avoid changing anything that isn't unarguably incorrect, like a typo, or, hah, a numbering error. Arguing about something that is so completely cut-and-dry from my viewpoint is not how I want to be spending my time, but I'm a stubborn asshole, so that's alright. I'd very much prefer not to have to read up on Wikipedia policies or, in general, descend into the morass of frustration that it seems to represent, I'd just like to win this argument or, though this is seeming increasingly unlikely, be shown to my satisfaction why I should lose this argument, and then descend back into the depths of anonymity, back to where people make sense.
Those are absolutely awesome links, though. First time I've been linked to a WP: page that hasn't made me want to punt a puppy into a blender. Glad to know you people have a sense of humor. EDIT: And thanks for the offer of assistance. I really had no idea what to do beyond reverts and yelling at people, initially. I should probably have twigged to there being other options. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 16:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
You said, "The most productive way to respond to me being in the wrong in such a manner would be to address the article itself, exactly like you just said, and ignore any personal comments I make unless I keep repeating it or am flat-out swearing at someone or something." I think you hit the nail on the head with that statement. Part of the problem here is that the other users didn't realize that you had no experience with the "technical crap," but you'll get all of that if you stay on WP for any length of time. You said that the problem is other users not "[ignoring] any personal comments [you] make," but the easiest way to fix that is to not make personal comments. My main point is that yeah, maybe the other guys screwed things up a bit (not saying they did - that isn't the point), but you can't fix them. You can fix you. I know you sometimes need to vent, too. That's fine - but I'd recommend that in the future you use other channels (you can even "bitch about it" on my talk page if that would help). There - I'm done with the advice for now. If you need help on anything else (or if you just want to rant), just ask me ;) Cheers. Sleddog116 ( talk) 19:23, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: Oh, and sorry - one last thing. It seems like I'm telling you everything wrong with how you're handling the situation, but you are, in fact, doing some things right. Your last response to Fortdj33 on DRN (though it was still a little direct) was good because you were looking for points of agreement, so I see you're trying to work constructively. If he still comes back snapping at you, do not reply in kind. The best bet there is to ignore the personal remarks and move on, even if he has no intention of doing the same. Sleddog116 ( talk) 19:47, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Snakebyte42. I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire here, but I thought that we had come to some sort of understanding on the dispute resolution noticeboard. But then you decided to attack me again on the List of The Punisher comics talk page, based on comments I made BEFORE we had our discussion! Therefore, this message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance regarding this issue. Thank you. Fortdj33 ( talk) 21:31, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive behaviour. Your behaviour is verging on harassment. Wikipedia prides itself on providing a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing edits, such as the one you made to Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance, potentially compromise that safe environment. If you continue behaving like this, you may be blocked from editing. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 22:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your input. You caught me right on the peak of rage at the tail end of a long drawn-out and frustrating process that I felt I had very little control over. I'm going to tweak my most recent comments in Wikiquette slightly since things appear to have been settled with Guy Macon. At this point, I believe consensus was more or less reached, we just went for eachother's throats over personal issues just before it was finalized. The main article is locked for another few days; I plan to edit it once, and then allow the other editor to make whatever changes he pleases. The secondary article was already edited by him to my satisfaction.
...I got sidetracked and did other things elsewhere and don't have a damn clue what I was saying. You don't care about the particulars. In summation, I think everything's resolved, and I've got no reason to hang around. That was far from enjoyable. This was all to get one specific change affected (or to receive a convincing reason why it wouldn't be). You must have a much calmer temperament than mine, good lord. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 00:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Sleddog116 ( talk) has given you a fresh pie! Pies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a piping hot pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!
Wow, Snakebyte - you had one hell of an indoctrination. Hopefully you learned something from it (if nothing else, you learned what a pain in the gluteus maximus the dispute process can be). I think you'll be a great contributor to the project once you rein in a little (and I'm saying that in good faith); the comics project - and indeed, the whole of Wikipedia - needs passionate contributors. Just one last thought to leave you with: I highly recommend that you read this essay. I think it sums up everything rather nicely. Don't lose that drive - just be careful not to overdo it. Cheers. Sleddog116 ( talk) 02:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Spread the tastiness of pies by adding {{ subst:GivePie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
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For all of your work with the comic-related articles. You're doing a great job contributing to those articles without losing your cool, even after that rough start that you had. Cheers! Sleddog116 ( talk) 19:32, 27 June 2012 (UTC) |
No problem, its much better when we can work together.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 14:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.
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I've blocked you indefinitely for violating WP:BLP policy and disruptive editing. Dreadstar ☥ 22:28, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I have done no such thing. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 22:29, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Snakebyte42 ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
The statement I made was a typo, taken out of context, which I clearly clarified in later comments. I was discussing whether various allegations were notable enough to include in an article about controversial allegations, and was attacked by people who misunderstood this. This is ridiculous. I made one comment on a talk page that people misunderstood, and you've prevented me from editing an entire site? That's all I've done in the last month. There is no pattern here. I have never edited a Gamergate-related article, nor have I expressed any inclination to. I cannot imagine what possessed you to block me.
Decline reason:
This block, let me stress, needn't be infinite. I expect that if you can commit to approaching topics involving living people with tact and sensitivity in the future, you will be allowed to return to editing. It's not about "rawr, Snakebyte42 can never edit Wikipedia again!", it's about "wow, as long as Snakebyte42 talks about living people like that, we really can't allow them to go on doing so here." A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 01:50, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
<redacted> - This isn't a video game, where if you can find some loophole or work-around to the rules you win. -- Calton | Talk 01:20, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Fluffernutter: Is 'that' what the problem is? It sure would have been nice if that was made clear to me. That was not the accusation that I understood was levied. I have no further interest in this topic, or even in editing on Wikipedia in the immediate future. I would like to be unblocked. If you'd like to ban me from all Gamergate-related topics as insurance of good behaviour, that's absolutely fine. Could I have some links to those policies, too?
@ Fluffernutter: I understand. See my updated unblock request below. I would like my account back, but I do not wish to contribute in this or any other similar areas anymore. I'm fine with staying out of potential BLP areas entirely. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 02:13, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Tutelary ( talk) 00:09, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Calton, please keep your vendettas off my talk page. I do not support Gamergate. I do not want to edit the Gamergate page. I do not know why I am blocked. It is that simple. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 01:24, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Unblock of Snakebyte42. Thank you. Tutelary ( talk) 00:19, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Snakebyte42 ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Fluffernutter's right. No one took the time to tell me that was the statement that people referring to. I was under the impression that it was for making allegations about living people--something I emphatically did not do, I was discussing the merits of including existing allegations in the article. This is the first time I've been genuinely spoken to and not treated like a disposable tool of GamerGate or something. In short, sure. No problem. I don't want to edit Gamergate or anything related to Gamergate. I'll accept a topic ban from anything you think is relevant, and I won't pursue any kind of arbitration. I'd just like my account unblocked. My involvement with Wikipedia's Gamergate articles was done before this happened and I'm not a regular contributor, there's no chance of a repeat performance. I'd also like specific links to the parts of policies that talk about that, so I'm better aware of them in the future, if that's alright See 'Pro-GamerGate/SPA accusations at ANI' section below for addressing some of the comments on my ANI. I am aware this is not the reason for my block, but many are acting like it is, so I feel it's necessary to address as well.
Accept reason:
See reasoning here, and note below re topic bans. Euryalus ( talk) 01:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay. My mistake was in assuming it had to be a factual claim, or in an article. But it makes sense that normal free speech standards don't apply on Wikipedia, after a second's thought. The kind of content you have is important, your discourse is under public scrutiny, and it reflects on the entire project. Got it. Thank you for taking the time. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 02:53, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I got your email about my comment on ANI. For the record, I don't oppose unblocking you personally, I just oppose overturning your block via the process outlined at ANI. It seems like you are on the right track here and I imagine that you will be unblocked quite soon. Gamaliel ( talk) 04:25, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
It's cool, I absolutely got that from your comment there! Thanks for reading and responding. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 04:28, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Multiple editors in my ANI are painting me as a SPA bent on slanting the Gamergate article towards a specific fringe viewpoint. If I may take part of Protonk's comment specifically:
"I think the block was fine and oppose an unblock, largely because this is just another account that has been resurrected to steer the content of the GamerGate article to a fringe viewpoint (namely that the incidents related to gamergate are unrelated to harassment or sexism but instead are just some innocent investigation into journalistic integrity in games)."
This is simply false. I do not support that viewpoint and I was not editing to support that viewpoint. I had a very specific and singular objection to one comment made by one editor on the talk page, that editor responded and my objection was addressed. I then moved on from the talk page. The fact that I got into an argument with people apparently supporting the opposite viewpoint to the one I'm being accused of supporting does not mean that I support it, it simply means that I object to their behaviour and their mischaracterization of me.
I do not have a position on GamerGate. I had a very specific point to make to one editor and conveyed it successfully. I do not edit wikipedia often, but I do not believe this is a crime. I created an ANI solely due to the degree of hostility with which I was received, and continue to be received. In my past experiences with Wikipedia I was assumed to be editing in good faith and treated civilly. I do not understand why this is not the case now and why I was blocked indefinitely instead of being given the benefit of the doubt. It took the reviewing admin to even explain my offense.
I do not understand why I am still punitively, rather than preventatively, blocked. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 15:26, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Per Arbcom's Discretionary Sanctions and the outcome of this discussion, you are topic-banned indefinitely from edits and discussion regarding Zoe Quinn, GamerGate and any related articles, broadly construed. I note your acknowledgement of BLP issues, and also this offer, which I think is a good idea. I've also logged a six-month topic ban from all BLPs, but am happy to discuss a shorter period if you wish.
In passing, the two topic bans are independent of each other - the Gamergate one continues after the other one has expired. Happy to discuss, ideally on my talk page. Euryalus ( talk) 01:54, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Snakebyte42, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
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I'm a regular mediator on the dispute resolution noticeboard, where I see you are currently involved in a content dispute with another editor. I've been watching the thread in question for some time, and even though the DRN mediator who has chosen to be involved ( User:Guy Macon) seems to be doing an admirable job, I've noticed that you're starting to get a little frustrated in places. That's perfectly understandable. I don't know if anyone took into account the fact that you've only been registered on Wikipedia for about a week, so I thought I'd drop by your talk page and see if I can help you understand a few things. First, I highly suggest that you read the links provided above; they're the most basic instructions for editing on the project. However, I think you would also benefit by reading Wikipedia's version of "Keep Calm and Carry On" - it has a few tips that should help keep you from getting frustrated. You might also want to take a look at this page, which has advice for how to deal with particularly difficult editors. And, when it comes down to it, just remember that Wikipedia doesn't have a deadline. If you need to just edit other areas of the project or even just take a little break, that's fine too.
Also, try not to take anything anyone says personally; even if you disagree with them, they're all just trying to improve the encyclopedia. And just remember, I (and others) am here to help if you need me.
Again, welcome! Sleddog116 ( talk) 15:27, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. 'Starting to get a little frustrated in places' might well be the understatement of the century. While I can understand how many of the issues that I have been accused of can crop up and the need for such measures, it seems absurd and ridiculous for these things to apply to what is essentially changing a handful of numbers. It's blowing my mind that this argument is still continuing, and what little support has been provided for the opposing viewpoint. I'm sure I've made edits here and there, and I appear to have had this account long before a week ago, it was just unused, but I try to avoid changing anything that isn't unarguably incorrect, like a typo, or, hah, a numbering error. Arguing about something that is so completely cut-and-dry from my viewpoint is not how I want to be spending my time, but I'm a stubborn asshole, so that's alright. I'd very much prefer not to have to read up on Wikipedia policies or, in general, descend into the morass of frustration that it seems to represent, I'd just like to win this argument or, though this is seeming increasingly unlikely, be shown to my satisfaction why I should lose this argument, and then descend back into the depths of anonymity, back to where people make sense.
Those are absolutely awesome links, though. First time I've been linked to a WP: page that hasn't made me want to punt a puppy into a blender. Glad to know you people have a sense of humor. EDIT: And thanks for the offer of assistance. I really had no idea what to do beyond reverts and yelling at people, initially. I should probably have twigged to there being other options. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 16:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
You said, "The most productive way to respond to me being in the wrong in such a manner would be to address the article itself, exactly like you just said, and ignore any personal comments I make unless I keep repeating it or am flat-out swearing at someone or something." I think you hit the nail on the head with that statement. Part of the problem here is that the other users didn't realize that you had no experience with the "technical crap," but you'll get all of that if you stay on WP for any length of time. You said that the problem is other users not "[ignoring] any personal comments [you] make," but the easiest way to fix that is to not make personal comments. My main point is that yeah, maybe the other guys screwed things up a bit (not saying they did - that isn't the point), but you can't fix them. You can fix you. I know you sometimes need to vent, too. That's fine - but I'd recommend that in the future you use other channels (you can even "bitch about it" on my talk page if that would help). There - I'm done with the advice for now. If you need help on anything else (or if you just want to rant), just ask me ;) Cheers. Sleddog116 ( talk) 19:23, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: Oh, and sorry - one last thing. It seems like I'm telling you everything wrong with how you're handling the situation, but you are, in fact, doing some things right. Your last response to Fortdj33 on DRN (though it was still a little direct) was good because you were looking for points of agreement, so I see you're trying to work constructively. If he still comes back snapping at you, do not reply in kind. The best bet there is to ignore the personal remarks and move on, even if he has no intention of doing the same. Sleddog116 ( talk) 19:47, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Snakebyte42. I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire here, but I thought that we had come to some sort of understanding on the dispute resolution noticeboard. But then you decided to attack me again on the List of The Punisher comics talk page, based on comments I made BEFORE we had our discussion! Therefore, this message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance regarding this issue. Thank you. Fortdj33 ( talk) 21:31, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive behaviour. Your behaviour is verging on harassment. Wikipedia prides itself on providing a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing edits, such as the one you made to Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance, potentially compromise that safe environment. If you continue behaving like this, you may be blocked from editing. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 22:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your input. You caught me right on the peak of rage at the tail end of a long drawn-out and frustrating process that I felt I had very little control over. I'm going to tweak my most recent comments in Wikiquette slightly since things appear to have been settled with Guy Macon. At this point, I believe consensus was more or less reached, we just went for eachother's throats over personal issues just before it was finalized. The main article is locked for another few days; I plan to edit it once, and then allow the other editor to make whatever changes he pleases. The secondary article was already edited by him to my satisfaction.
...I got sidetracked and did other things elsewhere and don't have a damn clue what I was saying. You don't care about the particulars. In summation, I think everything's resolved, and I've got no reason to hang around. That was far from enjoyable. This was all to get one specific change affected (or to receive a convincing reason why it wouldn't be). You must have a much calmer temperament than mine, good lord. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 00:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Sleddog116 ( talk) has given you a fresh pie! Pies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a piping hot pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!
Wow, Snakebyte - you had one hell of an indoctrination. Hopefully you learned something from it (if nothing else, you learned what a pain in the gluteus maximus the dispute process can be). I think you'll be a great contributor to the project once you rein in a little (and I'm saying that in good faith); the comics project - and indeed, the whole of Wikipedia - needs passionate contributors. Just one last thought to leave you with: I highly recommend that you read this essay. I think it sums up everything rather nicely. Don't lose that drive - just be careful not to overdo it. Cheers. Sleddog116 ( talk) 02:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Spread the tastiness of pies by adding {{ subst:GivePie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
The Resilient Barnstar | ||
For all of your work with the comic-related articles. You're doing a great job contributing to those articles without losing your cool, even after that rough start that you had. Cheers! Sleddog116 ( talk) 19:32, 27 June 2012 (UTC) |
No problem, its much better when we can work together.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 14:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.
This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.Dreadstar ☥ 22:19, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I've blocked you indefinitely for violating WP:BLP policy and disruptive editing. Dreadstar ☥ 22:28, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I have done no such thing. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 22:29, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Snakebyte42 ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
The statement I made was a typo, taken out of context, which I clearly clarified in later comments. I was discussing whether various allegations were notable enough to include in an article about controversial allegations, and was attacked by people who misunderstood this. This is ridiculous. I made one comment on a talk page that people misunderstood, and you've prevented me from editing an entire site? That's all I've done in the last month. There is no pattern here. I have never edited a Gamergate-related article, nor have I expressed any inclination to. I cannot imagine what possessed you to block me.
Decline reason:
This block, let me stress, needn't be infinite. I expect that if you can commit to approaching topics involving living people with tact and sensitivity in the future, you will be allowed to return to editing. It's not about "rawr, Snakebyte42 can never edit Wikipedia again!", it's about "wow, as long as Snakebyte42 talks about living people like that, we really can't allow them to go on doing so here." A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 01:50, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
<redacted> - This isn't a video game, where if you can find some loophole or work-around to the rules you win. -- Calton | Talk 01:20, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Fluffernutter: Is 'that' what the problem is? It sure would have been nice if that was made clear to me. That was not the accusation that I understood was levied. I have no further interest in this topic, or even in editing on Wikipedia in the immediate future. I would like to be unblocked. If you'd like to ban me from all Gamergate-related topics as insurance of good behaviour, that's absolutely fine. Could I have some links to those policies, too?
@ Fluffernutter: I understand. See my updated unblock request below. I would like my account back, but I do not wish to contribute in this or any other similar areas anymore. I'm fine with staying out of potential BLP areas entirely. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 02:13, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Tutelary ( talk) 00:09, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Calton, please keep your vendettas off my talk page. I do not support Gamergate. I do not want to edit the Gamergate page. I do not know why I am blocked. It is that simple. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 01:24, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Unblock of Snakebyte42. Thank you. Tutelary ( talk) 00:19, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Snakebyte42 ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Fluffernutter's right. No one took the time to tell me that was the statement that people referring to. I was under the impression that it was for making allegations about living people--something I emphatically did not do, I was discussing the merits of including existing allegations in the article. This is the first time I've been genuinely spoken to and not treated like a disposable tool of GamerGate or something. In short, sure. No problem. I don't want to edit Gamergate or anything related to Gamergate. I'll accept a topic ban from anything you think is relevant, and I won't pursue any kind of arbitration. I'd just like my account unblocked. My involvement with Wikipedia's Gamergate articles was done before this happened and I'm not a regular contributor, there's no chance of a repeat performance. I'd also like specific links to the parts of policies that talk about that, so I'm better aware of them in the future, if that's alright See 'Pro-GamerGate/SPA accusations at ANI' section below for addressing some of the comments on my ANI. I am aware this is not the reason for my block, but many are acting like it is, so I feel it's necessary to address as well.
Accept reason:
See reasoning here, and note below re topic bans. Euryalus ( talk) 01:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay. My mistake was in assuming it had to be a factual claim, or in an article. But it makes sense that normal free speech standards don't apply on Wikipedia, after a second's thought. The kind of content you have is important, your discourse is under public scrutiny, and it reflects on the entire project. Got it. Thank you for taking the time. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 02:53, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I got your email about my comment on ANI. For the record, I don't oppose unblocking you personally, I just oppose overturning your block via the process outlined at ANI. It seems like you are on the right track here and I imagine that you will be unblocked quite soon. Gamaliel ( talk) 04:25, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
It's cool, I absolutely got that from your comment there! Thanks for reading and responding. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 04:28, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Multiple editors in my ANI are painting me as a SPA bent on slanting the Gamergate article towards a specific fringe viewpoint. If I may take part of Protonk's comment specifically:
"I think the block was fine and oppose an unblock, largely because this is just another account that has been resurrected to steer the content of the GamerGate article to a fringe viewpoint (namely that the incidents related to gamergate are unrelated to harassment or sexism but instead are just some innocent investigation into journalistic integrity in games)."
This is simply false. I do not support that viewpoint and I was not editing to support that viewpoint. I had a very specific and singular objection to one comment made by one editor on the talk page, that editor responded and my objection was addressed. I then moved on from the talk page. The fact that I got into an argument with people apparently supporting the opposite viewpoint to the one I'm being accused of supporting does not mean that I support it, it simply means that I object to their behaviour and their mischaracterization of me.
I do not have a position on GamerGate. I had a very specific point to make to one editor and conveyed it successfully. I do not edit wikipedia often, but I do not believe this is a crime. I created an ANI solely due to the degree of hostility with which I was received, and continue to be received. In my past experiences with Wikipedia I was assumed to be editing in good faith and treated civilly. I do not understand why this is not the case now and why I was blocked indefinitely instead of being given the benefit of the doubt. It took the reviewing admin to even explain my offense.
I do not understand why I am still punitively, rather than preventatively, blocked. Snakebyte42 ( talk) 15:26, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Per Arbcom's Discretionary Sanctions and the outcome of this discussion, you are topic-banned indefinitely from edits and discussion regarding Zoe Quinn, GamerGate and any related articles, broadly construed. I note your acknowledgement of BLP issues, and also this offer, which I think is a good idea. I've also logged a six-month topic ban from all BLPs, but am happy to discuss a shorter period if you wish.
In passing, the two topic bans are independent of each other - the Gamergate one continues after the other one has expired. Happy to discuss, ideally on my talk page. Euryalus ( talk) 01:54, 12 October 2014 (UTC)