Smarred Wolet 01:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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Hi there, thanks for your note at Four Great Inventions of ancient China. Do you have any specific suggestions about how to improve the article? Also, I was wondering, you seem quite familiar with Wikipedia, have you edited under another name before? If I can help with any questions, please let me know. -- lk 10:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I have edited under another name before. I love multiculturalism and the diversity of peoples but I am against how one race of peoples (albeit a small Jingoistic minority of them) constantly shoves their 'mighty and world changing' inventions down our throats, its very caveman isn’t it 'my people good, your people bad' I mean I’ve heard of things being said like "China has lead the world in science and technology for the past 1500 years" which is just the stupidest comment ever and it just isn’t called for. The Chinese claim to have invented everything, it gets a bit tiring in my opinion even when things they claim to have invented or discovered are not that much similar to their modern day counterparts(compass, printing press)/or were refined by other cultures which then travelled back to China (gunpowder, paper), as I said before other cultures have had a much bigger influence on the modern world than China i.e. ancient Mediterranean civilisations, the Islamic World and India but they don’t go on about it all the time (I hope they don’t start!). If tomorrow I started a page called 'The Thousand Great Inventions of the Europeans' laden with bigoted statements (like this one is) and quotes out of context, I bet there would be outrage, stupid people would call it racism and call me a Nazi and just general chaos, votes to delete the page, banning me forever (I haven't done it before, its just what I think the response would be!). Therefore what I would like to see on behalf of a the Wikipedia rule of NPOV ideally is to get that page removed (just have the Four Great Inventions mentioned in their corresponding pages) failing that which I know I will, just highlight that the compass now isn’t the same as the compass the Chinese invented, gunpowder was purified by the Arabs, movable type printing was invented independently in Europe and how papermaking was refined in the Islamic World and Europe. If you look at Equal temperament there’s an absurd claim that Western Classical music was started in China, just because trade between China and Europe (via Persia and India) existed it doesn’t mean that everything invented/discovered in Europe which just happened to have been discovered in China before was transmitted via trade, this reminds me of the claim how people thought Egyptians travelled via boat to Central America (before Columbus) and taught them how to make pyramids which just spits in the face of the Mesoamerican civilisations implying they couldn’t have learned how to build pyramids themselves, its all well and exiting but it isn’t true and truth is what Wikipedia should aim at and achieve.
P.S. This is a fairly long rant, sorry if it gives you a headache! Smarred Wolet 12:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
This edit [ [1]] constitutes vandalism. If you do it again, you may be barred from further editing. Bali ultimate ( talk) 21:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Smarred Wolet 01:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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Hi there, thanks for your note at Four Great Inventions of ancient China. Do you have any specific suggestions about how to improve the article? Also, I was wondering, you seem quite familiar with Wikipedia, have you edited under another name before? If I can help with any questions, please let me know. -- lk 10:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I have edited under another name before. I love multiculturalism and the diversity of peoples but I am against how one race of peoples (albeit a small Jingoistic minority of them) constantly shoves their 'mighty and world changing' inventions down our throats, its very caveman isn’t it 'my people good, your people bad' I mean I’ve heard of things being said like "China has lead the world in science and technology for the past 1500 years" which is just the stupidest comment ever and it just isn’t called for. The Chinese claim to have invented everything, it gets a bit tiring in my opinion even when things they claim to have invented or discovered are not that much similar to their modern day counterparts(compass, printing press)/or were refined by other cultures which then travelled back to China (gunpowder, paper), as I said before other cultures have had a much bigger influence on the modern world than China i.e. ancient Mediterranean civilisations, the Islamic World and India but they don’t go on about it all the time (I hope they don’t start!). If tomorrow I started a page called 'The Thousand Great Inventions of the Europeans' laden with bigoted statements (like this one is) and quotes out of context, I bet there would be outrage, stupid people would call it racism and call me a Nazi and just general chaos, votes to delete the page, banning me forever (I haven't done it before, its just what I think the response would be!). Therefore what I would like to see on behalf of a the Wikipedia rule of NPOV ideally is to get that page removed (just have the Four Great Inventions mentioned in their corresponding pages) failing that which I know I will, just highlight that the compass now isn’t the same as the compass the Chinese invented, gunpowder was purified by the Arabs, movable type printing was invented independently in Europe and how papermaking was refined in the Islamic World and Europe. If you look at Equal temperament there’s an absurd claim that Western Classical music was started in China, just because trade between China and Europe (via Persia and India) existed it doesn’t mean that everything invented/discovered in Europe which just happened to have been discovered in China before was transmitted via trade, this reminds me of the claim how people thought Egyptians travelled via boat to Central America (before Columbus) and taught them how to make pyramids which just spits in the face of the Mesoamerican civilisations implying they couldn’t have learned how to build pyramids themselves, its all well and exiting but it isn’t true and truth is what Wikipedia should aim at and achieve.
P.S. This is a fairly long rant, sorry if it gives you a headache! Smarred Wolet 12:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
This edit [ [1]] constitutes vandalism. If you do it again, you may be barred from further editing. Bali ultimate ( talk) 21:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)